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Re: Freedom Scientific/VFO Focus braille display - problems resuming from laptop suspend

Jason White
 

Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
How is the display connected to the laptop?
It's a USB connection.


Re: New to NVDS

Gene
 

Evidently, the person has been using vision up to this point so her experience, unless she has started using the screen-reader with the e-mail program, and only a screen-reader with it, won't tell us how the program is from the standpoint of a blind user.  Your question may be premature.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 4:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDS

Yes I'm sure the others will be along to explain it soon, but notice you are
using OE Classic for email and wondered how accessible you find it?
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bonnie :-)" <sparkle30906@...>
To: "NVDA" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 5:39 PM
Subject: [nvda] New to NVDS


Hi,
I recently downloaded NVDA. I'm wondering if there are any settings or
options for the program. Like, can the speed of the reading (speech) be
adjusted.

Joyonya,
Bonnie




Re: Freedom Scientific/VFO Focus braille display - problems resuming from laptop suspend

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How is the display connected to the laptop?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason White via Groups.Io" <jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io>
To: "nvda" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 8:19 PM
Subject: [nvda] Freedom Scientific/VFO Focus braille display - problems resuming from laptop suspend


Has anyone else noticed the following? It occurs in my work environment when testing with a Freedom Scientific/VFO Focus braille display. The laptop is running Windows 10 (I think it’s 1703, but I can check while at work next week, if necessary). NVDA 2018.1.1 is installed, with the Braille Extender add-on. The settings have been copied by NVDA so that the same configuration is in effect at the log-in as at the desktop.



If I suspend the laptop, then resume from suspend, the braille display is detected and works correctly while entering the sign-in password.



Usually, a welcome message appears on the display as the system enters the user’s session. From this point on, however, the braille display is not updated. Speech continues normally. The solution at this stage is to restart NVDA, whereupon the braille display is detected again and responds as expected.



JAWS is also installed on this machine, but it isn’t running while NVDA is active, obviously.


Re: New to NVDS

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I would also say that as manuals go, the nvda built in one that opens in the browser is very clear, but if you cannot hear the voice well, its kind of a pain. First things first, use insert n, go to preferences and synth. Here you can see what synths are on the system. Choose one you like. then ok out and go into the voice one in the same way and get it to be the right speed. If you find Espeak a little bad, then in the voice part you can choose many variations on the voice which may appeal better. its a very personal thing, speech on a computer.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDS


Hi Bonnie,

I see. My own tutorial set can be found at:

http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bonnie :-)
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 12:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDS



Thanks Joseph.

In the past, I have used ZoomText, mainly for magnification but did use the Reader some. I have not purchased the ZoomText version that is compatible with Win10. Because my eyes can tire easily, especially when looking at the screen too long, thus I thought I'd try a screen reader.

At this point, the speech rate is a bit fast for my hearing. lol

I could not find any user guide or tutorials.. without paying for them. I don't mind buying if I'm going to be able to use it but so far, it seems like something is missing.



Thanks

Bonnie





----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com <mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> >

Reply-To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >

Sent: 5/13/2018 1:58:29 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDS


_____


Hi Bonnie and others,

First, welcome to the world of NVDA.

Okay, let’s slow down a lot:

* Based on what you’re telling us, am I correct in thinking that you are coming from a different screen reader?
* What settings are you interested in changing?
* Have you gone over NVDA’s user guide (online) and various tutorials to become familiar with NVDA in general?



To others: I think it is vital that we get to know the user first before suggesting all sorts of settings and intermediate concepts. Without knowing what the user wants (such as exact settings he or she wishes to change) and level of familiarity with NVDA, we won’t be able to guide the user to places where he or she can change appropriate settings. This is the reason why I said above that we need to slow down a lot before continuing.

P.S. For those coming to NVDACon this year, I’ll touch up on human factors in my session on providing technical support.

Cheers,

Joseph





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Bonnie :-)
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 10:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDS



I find no place to create profiles. And when I click to nvda icon to check for option, etc, speech says it is opening but nothing comes up on screen.





----- Original Message -----

From: Sky Mundell <skyt@shaw.ca <mailto:skyt@shaw.ca> >

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Sent: 5/13/2018 1:22:39 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDS


_____


NVDA does have settings for adjusting the speed, voice, etc. if you wanted to create a speech rate when your reading from top to bottom, you need to do this using the profiles option in NVDA..



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bonnie :-)
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 9:39 AM
To: NVDA
Subject: [nvda] New to NVDS



Hi,

I recently downloaded NVDA. I'm wondering if there are any settings or options for the program. Like, can the speed of the reading (speech) be adjusted.


Joyonya,
Bonnie


Re: New to NVDS

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Cannot say I've ever had that occur, but often there is an offending piece of software being loaded at start up that is the nasty thing doing the deed, or uac is being aggressive of course!
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDS


Yeah really hate when that happens.

And you can't rush it either.

I have had nvda load, the sound pop up, then it just hang and not load.

I keep restarting and it eventually loads.

Ofcause something in the background must have been not loaded right or something.

And I ignored it.

Eventually windows flagged my user account as dammaged even after system restores it only worked for a couple days.

Eventually, I had to make another account, transfer all my files over and reload cloud and a few extra programs.

Things are back at least to what I can call usable.

However every time I finnish a huge stint online before I switch to something else I always restart and make sure its ok.

Its sad really, windows flaggs your disk as dammaged when it isn't or is it?

Is your profile corrupted or is it not.

But its flagged.

Reading online if windows flaggs things, there are 2 things to do.

1. Follow instructions, make a new profile or scan the disk, or reformat.

What I find terrible is exactly what is dammaged and how to avoid damaging things there seems to be no answer to all of these.

In some way I really loathe the registry.

In dos, if your system files got mangled, you put them back.

If your os corrupted you reinstalled it.

If your configurations mangled or something got mangled, you edited it and fixed it.

If a program got corrupted, you reinstalled it, reconfigured it or recreated its configuration file.

If windows gets corrupted, and its just a program and nothing else fine, you can do as you did before.

But if its in registry, better get out your install disks and reformat because you are lost.

Even if you can fix the issue there is no telling what else will get dammaged because you were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I am unsure what the solution is, maybe, we should go back to programs as they used to, sure use system files where you need but it shouldn't be the way things can get mangled.

User profiles shouldn't have a registry at all, more files, for those.

In linux you rarely need to access any system files.

In dos, the only times you had to reformat were, bad disk, which hardly happened, or if something got so bad you couldn't get round it.

In 99.9% of cases you could just reload the effected module and keep going.

Now windows has got a lot better, if a programs screws you can't take down the system anymore as long as it doesn't share a system resource or your user profile.

But fiddle with anything there or in fact do any registry mods even if you know what you are doing you risk mangling things.

In most cases thats fine but sometimes you need to do things for various reasons not many but still.

If my profile gets corrupted, then I'd like to know what part of it is dammaged, how it got dammaged and maybe clear that part.

If my registry hive is the issue can't I just create it again.

Sometimes this fixes itself but eventually corrupts, if its a program or file, what is it, what is the error message for that, so I can report it.

Its like if you can't find a file, I want to know what library is missing, where you can get it, and such.

In most cases its easier to reformat or fix the issue simply because I don't often know what broke or its a complicated acrinum I have no chance of knowing what it is and even its function.

In dos, your system files followed by configuration files and maybe program ini files were it.

The reasons you could have issue bar virus issues and or hardware could simple include expired trials of your antivirus or security software, or a bad configuration.

Whenever windows fails most of the time I have to assume that windows has just decided to fail.

Its like when you run out of reserved space on partitions, and all the extra recovery partitions created by windows.

I really think things need to be made simpler, the chances after windows flaggs anything bad are 0 or almost 0 in fixing the issue in a timely manner.




On 5/14/2018 6:48 AM, Bonnie :-) wrote:
It says "Loading nvda Please wait"
I'm still waiting. I had to re-click (icon in taskbar) to hear it again.
I am running Win10 on a PC


----- Original Message -----
From: Felix G. <constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
Reply-To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: 5/13/2018 1:55:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDS



Hello!
Speech says it is opening? What is it saying exactly?
Best,
Felix


2018-05-13 19:50 GMT+02:00 Bonnie :-) <sparkle30906@gmail.com>:

I find no place to create profiles. And when I click to nvda icon to check for option, etc, speech says it is opening but nothing comes up on screen.


----- Original Message -----
From: Sky Mundell <skyt@shaw.ca>
Reply-To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: 5/13/2018 1:22:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDS



NVDA does have settings for adjusting the speed, voice, etc. if you wanted to create a speech rate when your reading from top to bottom, you need to do this using the profiles option in NVDA..

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bonnie :-)
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 9:39 AM
To: NVDA
Subject: [nvda] New to NVDS

Hi,
I recently downloaded NVDA. I'm
wondering if there are any settings or options for the program. Like, can the
speed of the reading (speech) be adjusted.

Joyonya,
Bonnie





Re: New to NVDS

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I guessed using Narrator, but then again...!
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDS


Do you have another screenreader running on your computer?

Do you have another screenreader installed, even if it's not running?

How are you sending these emails to this list? I can see you're using Outlook
Express Classic edition, but how do you use this if NVDA is not yet working?


Antony.

On Sunday 13 May 2018 at 20:48:23, Bonnie :-) wrote:

It says "Loading nvda Please wait"
I'm still waiting. I had to re-click (icon in taskbar) to hear it again.
I am running Win10 on a PC
--
Wanted: telepath. You know where to apply.

Please reply to the list;
please *don't* CC me.


Re: New to NVDS

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

What screenreader did you have before?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bonnie :-)" <sparkle30906@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDS


While listening to a YouTube video, I learned how to access the nvda menu.
Insert key + n
There I was able to slow down the speech rate.
As to the items below, all work as you say. Now if I can remember these new
shortcuts...

Thanks
Bonnie





----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
Reply-To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: 5/13/2018 2:58:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDS



Hi,
Hmmm, that’s concerning. Can you try the following for me please:
After you hear NVDA say, “loading NVDA …”, wait one minute.
2. Press Windows key to open Start menu and see if NVDA announces things.
3. Press Windows+D to see if NVDA announces Desktop items.
4. Press Insert key and F12 key to see if you hear current time.

Cheers,
Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bonnie :-)
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 11:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDS

It says "Loading nvda Please wait"
I'm still waiting. I had to re-click (icon in taskbar) to hear it again.
I am running Win10 on a PC


----- Original Message -----
From: Felix G. <constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
Reply-To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: 5/13/2018 1:55:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDS



Hello!
Speech says it is opening? What is it saying exactly?
Best,
Felix

2018-05-13 19:50 GMT+02:00 Bonnie :-) <sparkle30906@gmail.com>:
I find no place to create profiles. And when I click to nvda icon to check for option, etc, speech says it is opening but nothing comes up on screen.


----- Original Message -----
From: Sky Mundell <skyt@shaw.ca>
Reply-To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: 5/13/2018 1:22:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDS



NVDA does have settings for adjusting the speed, voice, etc. if you wanted to create a speech rate when your reading from top to bottom, you need to do this using the profiles option in NVDA..

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bonnie :-)
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 9:39 AM
To: NVDA
Subject: [nvda] New to NVDS

Hi,
I recently downloaded NVDA. I'm
wondering if there are any settings or options for the program. Like, can the
speed of the reading (speech) be adjusted.

Joyonya,
Bonnie


Re: New to NVDS

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Sounds like the uac screen to me.
brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bonnie :-)" <sparkle30906@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDS


It says "Loading nvda Please wait"
I'm still waiting. I had to re-click (icon in taskbar) to hear it again.
I am running Win10 on a PC


----- Original Message -----
From: Felix G. <constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
Reply-To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: 5/13/2018 1:55:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDS



Hello!
Speech says it is opening? What is it saying exactly?
Best,
Felix


2018-05-13 19:50 GMT+02:00 Bonnie :-) <sparkle30906@gmail.com>:

I find no place to create profiles. And when I click to nvda icon to check for option, etc, speech says it is opening but nothing comes up on screen.


----- Original Message -----
From: Sky Mundell <skyt@shaw.ca>
Reply-To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: 5/13/2018 1:22:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDS



NVDA does have settings for adjusting the speed, voice, etc. if you wanted to create a speech rate when your reading from top to bottom, you need to do this using the profiles option in NVDA..

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bonnie :-)
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 9:39 AM
To: NVDA
Subject: [nvda] New to NVDS

Hi,
I recently downloaded NVDA. I'm
wondering if there are any settings or options for the program. Like, can the
speed of the reading (speech) be adjusted.

Joyonya,
Bonnie


Re: New to NVDS

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Yes I'm sure the others will be along to explain it soon, but notice you are using OE Classic for email and wondered how accessible you find it?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bonnie :-)" <sparkle30906@gmail.com>
To: "NVDA" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 5:39 PM
Subject: [nvda] New to NVDS


Hi,
I recently downloaded NVDA. I'm wondering if there are any settings or options for the program. Like, can the speed of the reading (speech) be adjusted.

Joyonya,
Bonnie


Re: New to NVDS

 

Yeah really hate when that happens.

And you can't rush it either.

I have had nvda load, the sound pop up, then it just hang and not load.

I keep restarting and it eventually loads.

Ofcause something in the background must have been not loaded right or something.

And I ignored it.

Eventually windows flagged my user account as dammaged even after system restores it only worked for a couple days.

Eventually, I had to make another account, transfer all my files over and reload cloud and a few extra programs.

Things are back at least to what I can call usable.

However every time I finnish a huge stint online before I switch to something else I always restart and make sure its ok.

Its sad really, windows flaggs your disk as dammaged when it isn't or is it?

Is your profile corrupted or is it not.

But its flagged.

Reading online if windows flaggs things, there are 2 things to do.

1.  Follow instructions, make a new profile or scan the disk, or reformat.

What I find terrible is exactly what is dammaged and how to avoid damaging things there seems to be no answer to all of these.

In some way I really loathe the registry.

In dos, if your system files got mangled, you put them back.

If your os corrupted you reinstalled it.

If your configurations mangled or something got mangled, you edited it and fixed it.

If a program got corrupted, you reinstalled it, reconfigured it or recreated its configuration file.

If windows gets corrupted, and its just a program and nothing else fine, you can do as you did before.

But if its in registry, better get out your install disks and reformat because you are lost.

Even if you can fix the issue there is no telling what else will get dammaged because you were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I am unsure what the solution is, maybe, we should go back to programs as they used to, sure use system files where you need but it shouldn't be the way things can get mangled.

User profiles shouldn't have a registry at all, more files, for those.

In linux you rarely need to access any system files.

In dos, the only times you had to reformat were, bad disk, which hardly happened, or if something got so bad you couldn't get round it.

In 99.9% of cases you could just reload the effected module and keep going.

Now windows has got a lot better, if a programs screws you can't take down the system anymore as long as it doesn't share a system resource or your user profile.

But fiddle with anything there or in fact do any registry mods even if you know what you are doing you risk mangling things.

In most cases thats fine but sometimes you need to do things for various reasons not many but still.

If my profile gets corrupted, then I'd like to know what part of it is dammaged, how it got dammaged and maybe clear that part.

If my registry hive is the issue can't I just create it again.

Sometimes this fixes itself but eventually corrupts, if its a program or file, what is it, what is the error message for that, so I can report it.

Its like if you can't find a file, I want to know what library is missing, where you can get it, and such.

In most cases its easier to reformat or fix the issue simply because I don't often know what broke or its a complicated acrinum I have no chance of knowing what it is and even its function.

In dos, your system files followed by configuration files and maybe program ini files were it.

The reasons you could have issue bar virus issues and or hardware could simple include expired trials of your antivirus or security software, or a bad configuration.

Whenever windows fails most of the time I have to assume that windows has just decided to fail.

Its like when you run out of reserved space on partitions, and all the extra recovery partitions created by windows.

I really think things need to be made simpler, the chances after windows flaggs anything bad are 0  or almost 0 in fixing the issue in a timely manner.

On 5/14/2018 6:48 AM, Bonnie :-) wrote:
It says "Loading nvda Please wait"
I'm still waiting. I had to re-click (icon in taskbar) to hear it again.
I am running Win10 on a PC


----- Original Message -----
From: Felix G. <constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
Reply-To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: 5/13/2018 1:55:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDS



Hello!
Speech says it is opening? What is it saying exactly?
Best,
Felix


2018-05-13 19:50 GMT+02:00 Bonnie :-) <sparkle30906@gmail.com>:

I find no place to create profiles. And when I click to nvda icon to check for option, etc, speech says it is opening but nothing comes up on screen.


----- Original Message -----
From: Sky Mundell <skyt@shaw.ca>
Reply-To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: 5/13/2018 1:22:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDS



NVDA does have settings for adjusting the speed, voice, etc. if you wanted to create a speech rate when your reading from top to bottom, you need to do this using the profiles option in NVDA..

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bonnie :-)
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 9:39 AM
To: NVDA
Subject: [nvda] New to NVDS

Hi,
I recently downloaded NVDA. I'm
wondering if there are any settings or options for the program. Like, can the
speed of the reading (speech) be adjusted.

Joyonya,
Bonnie




Re: New to NVDS

Bonnie :-) <sparkle30906@...>
 

Antony,
No other screen reader is running. I do have NaturalReader free installed. It did not read in places that I hoped it would while I have found that NVDA reads in most places I've tried.

Bonnie

----- Original Message -----
From: Antony Stone <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it>
Reply-To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: 5/13/2018 3:08:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDS
________________________________________________________________________________

Do you have another screenreader running on your computer?

Do you have another screenreader installed, even if it's not running?

How are you sending these emails to this list? I can see you're using Outlook
Express Classic edition, but how do you use this if NVDA is not yet working?


Antony.

On Sunday 13 May 2018 at 20:48:23, Bonnie :-) wrote:

It says "Loading nvda Please wait"
I'm still waiting. I had to re-click (icon in taskbar) to hear it again.
I am running Win10 on a PC
--
Wanted: telepath. You know where to apply.

Please reply to the list;
please *don't* CC me.


Re: New to NVDS

Bonnie :-) <sparkle30906@...>
 

While listening to a YouTube video, I learned how to access the nvda menu.
Insert key + n
There I was able to slow down the speech rate.
As to the items below, all work as you say. Now if I can remember these new shortcuts...
 
Thanks
Bonnie
 
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>
Reply-To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: 5/13/2018 2:58:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDS

Hi,

Hmmm, that’s concerning. Can you try the following for me please:

  1. After you hear NVDA say, “loading NVDA …”, wait one minute.

2.       Press Windows key to open Start menu and see if NVDA announces things.

3.       Press Windows+D to see if NVDA announces Desktop items.

4.       Press Insert key and F12 key to see if you hear current time.

 

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bonnie :-)
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 11:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDS

 

It says  "Loading nvda Please wait"

I'm still waiting. I had to re-click (icon in taskbar) to hear it again.

I am running Win10 on a PC

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Felix G. <constantlyvariable@...>

Reply-To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: 5/13/2018 1:55:11 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDS


Hello!
Speech says it is opening? What is it saying exactly?

Best,

Felix

 

2018-05-13 19:50 GMT+02:00 Bonnie :-) <sparkle30906@...>:

I find no place to create profiles. And when I click to nvda icon to check for option, etc, speech says it is opening but nothing comes up on screen.

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Sky Mundell <skyt@...>

Reply-To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: 5/13/2018 1:22:39 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDS


NVDA does have settings for adjusting the speed, voice, etc. if you wanted to create a speech rate when your reading from top to bottom, you need to do this using the profiles option in NVDA..

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bonnie :-)
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 9:39 AM
To: NVDA
Subject: [nvda] New to NVDS

 

Hi,

I recently downloaded NVDA. I'm wondering if there are any settings or options for the program. Like, can the speed of the reading (speech) be adjusted.    


Joyonya,
Bonnie

 


Re: New to NVDS

Bonnie :-) <sparkle30906@...>
 

Ok, I found some nvda videos on You Tube. I will watch them & come back to these emails.
Joseph, may I ask where your tutorials are?
 
Thanks,
Bonnie
 
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>
Reply-To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: 5/13/2018 2:29:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDS

Hi,

Well, I didn’t recommend my tutorials myself for a number of reasons:

  • There are better tutorials out there now, including several that are a collection of helpful videos.
  • Due to drastic changes made in recent (and upcoming) NVDA versions, majority of what I say in my tutorial set is really out of date.

For the time being, my tutorial set will work, but if anyone wants to update it, let us know (preferably on a brand new thread). Note that due to changes coming in NVDA 2018.2 (in regards to settings interface), you need to do something about completely reorganizing NVDA configuration sections.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of ely.r@...
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 11:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDS

 

Bonnie,

Best advice Joseph. It is far too easy to change settings unintentionally that can make using NVDA feel more difficult than is the case.

Surprised that Joseph did not suggest his own series of tutorials. He recorded these and it is wonderful to listen on a device like a phone or tablet while trying out steps on your computer. I can’t imagine the amount of time he put into developing and then updating these. He makes them free to download.

 

Have fun, and as a teacher told me about editing, when you lose the Zen with whatever, get up and walk away for a time. This is a concept to live by. I only wish I could internalize it.

Rick

 

Dr. Rick Ely

TVI, Vision Consultant

451 Rocky Hill Road

Florence, MA 01062

&413()  727-3038

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 1:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDS

 

Hi Bonnie and others,

First, welcome to the world of NVDA.

Okay, let’s slow down a lot:

  • Based on what you’re telling us, am I correct in thinking that you are coming from a different screen reader?
  • What settings are you interested in changing?
  • Have you gone over NVDA’s user guide (online) and various tutorials to become familiar with NVDA in general?

 

To others: I think it is vital that we get to know the user first before suggesting all sorts of settings and intermediate concepts. Without knowing what the user wants (such as exact settings he or she wishes to change) and level of familiarity with NVDA, we won’t be able to guide the user to places where he or she can change appropriate settings. This is the reason why I said above that we need to slow down a lot before continuing.

P.S. For those coming to NVDACon this year, I’ll touch up on human factors in my session on providing technical support.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bonnie :-)
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 10:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDS

 

I find no place to create profiles. And when I click to nvda icon to check for option, etc, speech says it is opening but nothing comes up on screen.

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Sky Mundell <skyt@...>

Reply-To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: 5/13/2018 1:22:39 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDS


NVDA does have settings for adjusting the speed, voice, etc. if you wanted to create a speech rate when your reading from top to bottom, you need to do this using the profiles option in NVDA..

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bonnie :-)
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 9:39 AM
To: NVDA
Subject: [nvda] New to NVDS

 

Hi,

I recently downloaded NVDA. I'm wondering if there are any settings or options for the program. Like, can the speed of the reading (speech) be adjusted.    


Joyonya,
Bonnie


Re: New to NVDS

 

Hi Bonnie,

I see. My own tutorial set can be found at:

http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bonnie :-)
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 12:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDS

 

Thanks Joseph.

In the past, I have used ZoomText, mainly for magnification but did use the Reader some. I have not purchased the ZoomText version that is compatible with Win10. Because my eyes can tire easily, especially when looking at the screen too long, thus I thought I'd try a screen reader.

At this point, the speech rate is a bit fast for my hearing. lol

I could not find any user guide or tutorials.. without paying for them. I don't mind buying if I'm going to be able to use it but so far, it seems like something is missing.

 

Thanks

Bonnie

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>

Sent: 5/13/2018 1:58:29 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDS


Hi Bonnie and others,

First, welcome to the world of NVDA.

Okay, let’s slow down a lot:

  • Based on what you’re telling us, am I correct in thinking that you are coming from a different screen reader?
  • What settings are you interested in changing?
  • Have you gone over NVDA’s user guide (online) and various tutorials to become familiar with NVDA in general?

 

To others: I think it is vital that we get to know the user first before suggesting all sorts of settings and intermediate concepts. Without knowing what the user wants (such as exact settings he or she wishes to change) and level of familiarity with NVDA, we won’t be able to guide the user to places where he or she can change appropriate settings. This is the reason why I said above that we need to slow down a lot before continuing.

P.S. For those coming to NVDACon this year, I’ll touch up on human factors in my session on providing technical support.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bonnie :-)
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 10:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDS

 

I find no place to create profiles. And when I click to nvda icon to check for option, etc, speech says it is opening but nothing comes up on screen.

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Sky Mundell <skyt@...>

Sent: 5/13/2018 1:22:39 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDS


NVDA does have settings for adjusting the speed, voice, etc. if you wanted to create a speech rate when your reading from top to bottom, you need to do this using the profiles option in NVDA..

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bonnie :-)
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 9:39 AM
To: NVDA
Subject: [nvda] New to NVDS

 

Hi,

I recently downloaded NVDA. I'm wondering if there are any settings or options for the program. Like, can the speed of the reading (speech) be adjusted.    


Joyonya,
Bonnie


Freedom Scientific/VFO Focus braille display - problems resuming from laptop suspend

Jason White
 

Has anyone else noticed the following? It occurs in my work environment when testing with a Freedom Scientific/VFO Focus braille display. The laptop is running Windows 10 (I think it’s 1703, but I can check while at work next week, if necessary). NVDA 2018.1.1 is installed, with the Braille Extender add-on. The settings have been copied by NVDA so that the same configuration is in effect at the log-in as at the desktop.

 

If I suspend the laptop, then resume from suspend, the braille display is detected and works correctly while entering the sign-in password.

 

Usually, a welcome message appears on the display as the system enters the user’s session. From this point on, however, the braille display is not updated. Speech continues normally. The solution at this stage is to restart NVDA, whereupon the braille display is detected again and responds as expected.

 

JAWS is also installed on this machine, but it isn’t running while NVDA is active, obviously.

 


Re: New to NVDS

Bonnie :-) <sparkle30906@...>
 

Thanks Joseph.
In the past, I have used ZoomText, mainly for magnification but did use the Reader some. I have not purchased the ZoomText version that is compatible with Win10. Because my eyes can tire easily, especially when looking at the screen too long, thus I thought I'd try a screen reader.
At this point, the speech rate is a bit fast for my hearing. lol
I could not find any user guide or tutorials.. without paying for them. I don't mind buying if I'm going to be able to use it but so far, it seems like something is missing.
 
Thanks
Bonnie
 
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>
Reply-To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: 5/13/2018 1:58:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDS

Hi Bonnie and others,

First, welcome to the world of NVDA.

Okay, let’s slow down a lot:

  • Based on what you’re telling us, am I correct in thinking that you are coming from a different screen reader?
  • What settings are you interested in changing?
  • Have you gone over NVDA’s user guide (online) and various tutorials to become familiar with NVDA in general?

 

To others: I think it is vital that we get to know the user first before suggesting all sorts of settings and intermediate concepts. Without knowing what the user wants (such as exact settings he or she wishes to change) and level of familiarity with NVDA, we won’t be able to guide the user to places where he or she can change appropriate settings. This is the reason why I said above that we need to slow down a lot before continuing.

P.S. For those coming to NVDACon this year, I’ll touch up on human factors in my session on providing technical support.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bonnie :-)
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 10:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDS

 

I find no place to create profiles. And when I click to nvda icon to check for option, etc, speech says it is opening but nothing comes up on screen.

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Sky Mundell <skyt@...>

Reply-To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: 5/13/2018 1:22:39 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDS


NVDA does have settings for adjusting the speed, voice, etc. if you wanted to create a speech rate when your reading from top to bottom, you need to do this using the profiles option in NVDA..

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bonnie :-)
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 9:39 AM
To: NVDA
Subject: [nvda] New to NVDS

 

Hi,

I recently downloaded NVDA. I'm wondering if there are any settings or options for the program. Like, can the speed of the reading (speech) be adjusted.    


Joyonya,
Bonnie


Re: New to NVDS

Antony Stone
 

Do you have another screenreader running on your computer?

Do you have another screenreader installed, even if it's not running?

How are you sending these emails to this list? I can see you're using Outlook
Express Classic edition, but how do you use this if NVDA is not yet working?


Antony.

On Sunday 13 May 2018 at 20:48:23, Bonnie :-) wrote:

It says "Loading nvda Please wait"
I'm still waiting. I had to re-click (icon in taskbar) to hear it again.
I am running Win10 on a PC
--
Wanted: telepath. You know where to apply.

Please reply to the list;
please *don't* CC me.


Re: New to NVDS

 

Hi,

Hmmm, that’s concerning. Can you try the following for me please:

  1. After you hear NVDA say, “loading NVDA …”, wait one minute.

2.       Press Windows key to open Start menu and see if NVDA announces things.

3.       Press Windows+D to see if NVDA announces Desktop items.

4.       Press Insert key and F12 key to see if you hear current time.

 

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bonnie :-)
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 11:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDS

 

It says  "Loading nvda Please wait"

I'm still waiting. I had to re-click (icon in taskbar) to hear it again.

I am running Win10 on a PC

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Felix G. <constantlyvariable@...>

Sent: 5/13/2018 1:55:11 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDS


Hello!
Speech says it is opening? What is it saying exactly?

Best,

Felix

 

2018-05-13 19:50 GMT+02:00 Bonnie :-) <sparkle30906@...>:

I find no place to create profiles. And when I click to nvda icon to check for option, etc, speech says it is opening but nothing comes up on screen.

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Sky Mundell <skyt@...>

Sent: 5/13/2018 1:22:39 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDS


NVDA does have settings for adjusting the speed, voice, etc. if you wanted to create a speech rate when your reading from top to bottom, you need to do this using the profiles option in NVDA..

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bonnie :-)
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 9:39 AM
To: NVDA
Subject: [nvda] New to NVDS

 

Hi,

I recently downloaded NVDA. I'm wondering if there are any settings or options for the program. Like, can the speed of the reading (speech) be adjusted.    


Joyonya,
Bonnie

 


Re: New to NVDS

Bonnie :-) <sparkle30906@...>
 

It says  "Loading nvda Please wait"
I'm still waiting. I had to re-click (icon in taskbar) to hear it again.
I am running Win10 on a PC
 
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Felix G. <constantlyvariable@...>
Reply-To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: 5/13/2018 1:55:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDS

Hello!
Speech says it is opening? What is it saying exactly?
Best,
Felix

2018-05-13 19:50 GMT+02:00 Bonnie :-) <sparkle30906@...>:
I find no place to create profiles. And when I click to nvda icon to check for option, etc, speech says it is opening but nothing comes up on screen.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Sky Mundell <skyt@...>
Reply-To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: 5/13/2018 1:22:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDS

NVDA does have settings for adjusting the speed, voice, etc. if you wanted to create a speech rate when your reading from top to bottom, you need to do this using the profiles option in NVDA..

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bonnie :-)
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 9:39 AM
To: NVDA
Subject: [nvda] New to NVDS

 

Hi,

I recently downloaded NVDA. I'm wondering if there are any settings or options for the program. Like, can the speed of the reading (speech) be adjusted.    


Joyonya,
Bonnie



Re: New to NVDS

 

Hi,

Well, I didn’t recommend my tutorials myself for a number of reasons:

  • There are better tutorials out there now, including several that are a collection of helpful videos.
  • Due to drastic changes made in recent (and upcoming) NVDA versions, majority of what I say in my tutorial set is really out of date.

For the time being, my tutorial set will work, but if anyone wants to update it, let us know (preferably on a brand new thread). Note that due to changes coming in NVDA 2018.2 (in regards to settings interface), you need to do something about completely reorganizing NVDA configuration sections.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of ely.r@...
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 11:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDS

 

Bonnie,

Best advice Joseph. It is far too easy to change settings unintentionally that can make using NVDA feel more difficult than is the case.

Surprised that Joseph did not suggest his own series of tutorials. He recorded these and it is wonderful to listen on a device like a phone or tablet while trying out steps on your computer. I can’t imagine the amount of time he put into developing and then updating these. He makes them free to download.

 

Have fun, and as a teacher told me about editing, when you lose the Zen with whatever, get up and walk away for a time. This is a concept to live by. I only wish I could internalize it.

Rick

 

Dr. Rick Ely

TVI, Vision Consultant

451 Rocky Hill Road

Florence, MA 01062

&413()  727-3038

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 1:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDS

 

Hi Bonnie and others,

First, welcome to the world of NVDA.

Okay, let’s slow down a lot:

  • Based on what you’re telling us, am I correct in thinking that you are coming from a different screen reader?
  • What settings are you interested in changing?
  • Have you gone over NVDA’s user guide (online) and various tutorials to become familiar with NVDA in general?

 

To others: I think it is vital that we get to know the user first before suggesting all sorts of settings and intermediate concepts. Without knowing what the user wants (such as exact settings he or she wishes to change) and level of familiarity with NVDA, we won’t be able to guide the user to places where he or she can change appropriate settings. This is the reason why I said above that we need to slow down a lot before continuing.

P.S. For those coming to NVDACon this year, I’ll touch up on human factors in my session on providing technical support.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bonnie :-)
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 10:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDS

 

I find no place to create profiles. And when I click to nvda icon to check for option, etc, speech says it is opening but nothing comes up on screen.

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Sky Mundell <skyt@...>

Sent: 5/13/2018 1:22:39 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDS


NVDA does have settings for adjusting the speed, voice, etc. if you wanted to create a speech rate when your reading from top to bottom, you need to do this using the profiles option in NVDA..

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bonnie :-)
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 9:39 AM
To: NVDA
Subject: [nvda] New to NVDS

 

Hi,

I recently downloaded NVDA. I'm wondering if there are any settings or options for the program. Like, can the speed of the reading (speech) be adjusted.    


Joyonya,
Bonnie