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Re: Selecting Files

Chris Mullins
 

Hi Gene

Well I’m using Windows 10 with NVDA 2020.3 and it clearly announces “not selected” after each file name as I use Control+Shift+DownArrow to move through the list of files immediately after opening File Explorer.  Similarly, if I select the first file then use Control+Shift+DownArrow, subsequent files are selected.

 

Had Chris known how the command works, he could have achieved what he wanted to do, so to say it’s the “wrong command” is unreasonable, particularly as you should know by now that in Windows, there are many ways to achieve the same thing.  I was giving added value to the subject of file selection as yourself and others have done, just think of it as another tool in the box.

 

Cheers

Chris     

 

From: Gene
Sent: 07 January 2021 16:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files

 

Control shift down arrow is never used in moving through lists.  it is the

wrong command to use for the purpose originally asked about and it is never

used in moving in a list in general.

When I use it with NVDA, I can move down the list but the selected or not

selected status of an item is not spoken and nothing is either selected or

unselected.

 

Control down arrow will tell you the status of items as you move.  If an

item is selected, selected is not spoken.  If an item isn't selected,

unselected is spoken.  At least that is the case with NVDA.  These movement

commands are Windows commands, not screen-reader commands.  Windows has no

purpose or function for control shift when moving through a list.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Chris Mullins

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2021 10:40 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files

 

 

 

Hi

 

It’s not the wrong command, you just need to understand how it works.

Control+shift+Down Arrow checks the selection status of the file in focus

and applies the same selection status to files traversed by subsequent

presses of the command.  When you first enter File Explorer, focus is on the

top file of the list but the file is not selected, so subsequent presses of

Control+Shift+Down Arrow did not select any files.  Had Control+Spacebar

been pressed first to select the top file, subsequent files traversed would

also have been selected.  This functionality makes it a more ergonomic

command to use than the Control+DownArrow and Control+Spacebar to select

command combination in situations where you are mostly selecting

non-contiguous blocks of files.

 

 

 

Cheers

 

Chris

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: Gene

Sent: 06 January 2021 23:35

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files

 

 

 

 

 

It’s the wrong command.  In a list, when you are selecting using shift, just

 

use shift.

 

 

 

Gene

 

----Original Message-----

 

From: Christopher Gray

 

Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2021 4:44 PM

 

To: nvda@groups.io

 

Subject: [nvda] Selecting Files

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hello:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When I use ctrl+shft+downarrow or ctrl+shft+downarrow to select one or more

 

files, nothing is selected.  I have tried changing scroll lock, testing my

 

keyboard under Windows 10 and other MS suggestions but to no avail.  Any

 

thoughts here?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Many thanks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Chris

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: On Intentionally Marking Any Groups.io Message as Spam - DON'T #adminnotice

Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
 

Shaun,
You are absolutely right. While it hasn't happened to me on this
group, another list I'm on has a couple members who post from Yahoo
and iCloud email addresses. While I always move them to my inbox, it
seems that 90% of the time, those messages still end up in my spam
folder.

On 1/6/21, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't mark messzages myself, I go through and unmark messages as spam,
all I was saying is that some filters look for words which could be.

Its hard to know what will trigger the filter and I have noticed its not
going to do it constantly.

I have had messages marked as spam then more from the same poster not
marked but this hardly happens at least with gmail so the filters are
getting better.



On 7/01/2021 6:00 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:
Shaun,

           Please, for the love of heaven, pay attention to what I,
and others, write.

           I anonymized the message, but it's almost certain that
someone who is a member of this group used the mark as spam option of
their webmail or email client.  No one should, under any
circumstances, for any message, ever do that for a message that they
have received from a service they subscribed to. Unsubscribe, or mute
the topic, but do NOT mark it spam.

            I suggest you read up on Email Feedback Loops
<https://duckduckgo.com/?q=email+feedback+loop> and the havoc they
can, and do, wreak.  I would like to prevent that for our members,
thanks very much. Your contention about marking something as spam
often enough is just fine, if the thing is actually spam.  But if it
isn't, that's another story.  No message from groups.io is spam
because you asked for it, directly, by subscribing.
--

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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of
disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel






Re: Selecting Files

Gene
 

Control shift down arrow is never used in moving through lists. it is the wrong command to use for the purpose originally asked about and it is never used in moving in a list in general.
When I use it with NVDA, I can move down the list but the selected or not selected status of an item is not spoken and nothing is either selected or unselected.

Control down arrow will tell you the status of items as you move. If an item is selected, selected is not spoken. If an item isn't selected, unselected is spoken. At least that is the case with NVDA. These movement commands are Windows commands, not screen-reader commands. Windows has no purpose or function for control shift when moving through a list.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Mullins
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2021 10:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files



Hi

It’s not the wrong command, you just need to understand how it works. Control+shift+Down Arrow checks the selection status of the file in focus and applies the same selection status to files traversed by subsequent presses of the command. When you first enter File Explorer, focus is on the top file of the list but the file is not selected, so subsequent presses of Control+Shift+Down Arrow did not select any files. Had Control+Spacebar been pressed first to select the top file, subsequent files traversed would also have been selected. This functionality makes it a more ergonomic command to use than the Control+DownArrow and Control+Spacebar to select command combination in situations where you are mostly selecting non-contiguous blocks of files.



Cheers

Chris







From: Gene
Sent: 06 January 2021 23:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files





It’s the wrong command. In a list, when you are selecting using shift, just

use shift.



Gene

----Original Message-----

From: Christopher Gray

Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2021 4:44 PM

To: nvda@groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Selecting Files







Hello:







When I use ctrl+shft+downarrow or ctrl+shft+downarrow to select one or more

files, nothing is selected. I have tried changing scroll lock, testing my

keyboard under Windows 10 and other MS suggestions but to no avail. Any

thoughts here?







Many thanks.







Chris


Re: Selecting Files

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

It’s not the wrong command, you just need to understand how it works.  Control+shift+Down Arrow checks the selection status of the file in focus and applies the same selection status to files traversed by subsequent presses of the command.  When you first enter File Explorer, focus is on the top file of the list but the file is not selected, so subsequent presses of Control+Shift+Down Arrow did not select any files.  Had Control+Spacebar been pressed first to select the top file, subsequent files traversed would also have been selected.  This functionality makes it a more ergonomic command to use than the Control+DownArrow and Control+Spacebar to select command combination in situations where you are mostly selecting non-contiguous blocks of files.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

From: Gene
Sent: 06 January 2021 23:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files

 

It’s the wrong command.  In a list, when you are selecting using shift, just

use shift.

 

Gene

----Original Message-----

From: Christopher Gray

Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2021 4:44 PM

To: nvda@groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Selecting Files

 

 

 

Hello:

 

 

 

When I use ctrl+shft+downarrow or ctrl+shft+downarrow to select one or more

files, nothing is selected.  I have tried changing scroll lock, testing my

keyboard under Windows 10 and other MS suggestions but to no avail.  Any

thoughts here?

 

 

 

Many thanks.

 

 

 

Chris

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: On Intentionally Marking Any Groups.io Message as Spam - DON'T #adminnotice

 

I don't mark messzages myself, I go through and unmark messages as spam, all I was saying is that some filters look for words which could be.

Its hard to know what will trigger the filter and I have noticed its not going to do it constantly.

I have had messages marked as spam then more from the same poster not marked but this hardly happens at least with gmail so the filters are getting better.



On 7/01/2021 6:00 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:
Shaun,

           Please, for the love of heaven, pay attention to what I, and others, write.

           I anonymized the message, but it's almost certain that someone who is a member of this group used the mark as spam option of their webmail or email client.  No one should, under any circumstances, for any message, ever do that for a message that they have received from a service they subscribed to.  Unsubscribe, or mute the topic, but do NOT mark it spam.

            I suggest you read up on Email Feedback Loops and the havoc they can, and do, wreak.  I would like to prevent that for our members, thanks very much.  Your contention about marking something as spam often enough is just fine, if the thing is actually spam.  But if it isn't, that's another story.  No message from groups.io is spam because you asked for it, directly, by subscribing.
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       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: On Intentionally Marking Any Groups.io Message as Spam - DON'T #adminnotice

 

Shaun,

           Please, for the love of heaven, pay attention to what I, and others, write.

           I anonymized the message, but it's almost certain that someone who is a member of this group used the mark as spam option of their webmail or email client.  No one should, under any circumstances, for any message, ever do that for a message that they have received from a service they subscribed to.  Unsubscribe, or mute the topic, but do NOT mark it spam.

            I suggest you read up on Email Feedback Loops and the havoc they can, and do, wreak.  I would like to prevent that for our members, thanks very much.  Your contention about marking something as spam often enough is just fine, if the thing is actually spam.  But if it isn't, that's another story.  No message from groups.io is spam because you asked for it, directly, by subscribing.
--

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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: On Intentionally Marking Any Groups.io Message as Spam - DON'T #adminnotice

 

Well itt may be some certain words.

Even google marks some of these messages as spam from time to time.

I always clear the junk folders daily and check.

Mark a message as spam enough times or not and google should train itself.



On 7/01/2021 3:26 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:
Hello All,

Before I begin, let me say clearly that I do understand that it is possible that an e-mail service provider may mark a Groups.io message as spam incorrectly, and when this happens, I implore you to contact your provider and tell them that they need to stop doing so.  No Groups.io message can be spam, by definition, because you must subscribe to receive it.  No subscription-only messages can be spam, because spam is unsolicited and unwanted email.  So if that's happened, let them know that's not OK.

Now, on to the central point, which is about a member of any Groups.io actually marking a message as spam/junk because they don't like the content, are bored with a long topic, or similar:  DON'T DO IT.  When you mark a message, any message, as spam, this is not just dumping it in to the spam folder in your e-mail client, but starts a feedback cascade where that information is shared with your e-mail service provider and where that message is added for possible inclusion for spam matching criteria, and these get shared among email services.  If only a few people report a Groups.io message (or that from any other subscription service) as spam in rapid succession, it can end up in all messages from that service being blocked by multiple email providers.

Groups.io gives you the ability to exquisitely control the messages you receive, and if you want to stop content for a single topic use the Mute this Topic option to do that.

The above is triggered because I, as a member of group administration, received the following message from Groups.io:
----
Subscriber was removed for marking a message as spam

This is to notify you that xxx@... has been unsubscribed from your group nvda@nvda.groups.io because message Re: Admin's Notes Re List Conduct, Please Read was marked as spam. Note that this may have been done by their email service provider, not by the individual member personally. They've been given a link that lets them quickly resubscribe, in case this was an error.

If you have any questions, please visit our help center.

----

You will often end up being unsubscribed from a group if you mark any message as spam, because anyone getting messages should know that the only way they should be getting them is because they chose to subscribe.

So, please, do not ever intentionally mark a message from Groups.io or any subscription-only email service as spam, and if your email service does this automatically, please contact their support and tell them to remove Groups.io from their spam blacklist, since anyone must subscribe to get any Groups.io message.
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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


On Intentionally Marking Any Groups.io Message as Spam - DON'T #adminnotice

 

Hello All,

Before I begin, let me say clearly that I do understand that it is possible that an e-mail service provider may mark a Groups.io message as spam incorrectly, and when this happens, I implore you to contact your provider and tell them that they need to stop doing so.  No Groups.io message can be spam, by definition, because you must subscribe to receive it.  No subscription-only messages can be spam, because spam is unsolicited and unwanted email.  So if that's happened, let them know that's not OK.

Now, on to the central point, which is about a member of any Groups.io actually marking a message as spam/junk because they don't like the content, are bored with a long topic, or similar:  DON'T DO IT.  When you mark a message, any message, as spam, this is not just dumping it in to the spam folder in your e-mail client, but starts a feedback cascade where that information is shared with your e-mail service provider and where that message is added for possible inclusion for spam matching criteria, and these get shared among email services.  If only a few people report a Groups.io message (or that from any other subscription service) as spam in rapid succession, it can end up in all messages from that service being blocked by multiple email providers.

Groups.io gives you the ability to exquisitely control the messages you receive, and if you want to stop content for a single topic use the Mute this Topic option to do that.

The above is triggered because I, as a member of group administration, received the following message from Groups.io:
----
Subscriber was removed for marking a message as spam

This is to notify you that xxx@... has been unsubscribed from your group nvda@nvda.groups.io because message Re: Admin's Notes Re List Conduct, Please Read was marked as spam. Note that this may have been done by their email service provider, not by the individual member personally. They've been given a link that lets them quickly resubscribe, in case this was an error.

If you have any questions, please visit our help center.

----

You will often end up being unsubscribed from a group if you mark any message as spam, because anyone getting messages should know that the only way they should be getting them is because they chose to subscribe.

So, please, do not ever intentionally mark a message from Groups.io or any subscription-only email service as spam, and if your email service does this automatically, please contact their support and tell them to remove Groups.io from their spam blacklist, since anyone must subscribe to get any Groups.io message.
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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: using NVDA with Bluetooth

Jackie
 

No prob, Luke R. NVDA does have a vibrant & active community.

On 1/6/21, Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@gmail.com> wrote:
Roger that. Thanks. I'm seeing a pattern here -- whereas Apple says "there's
an app for that," with NVDA it's "there's an add on for that." :) I'll make
sure to check out the available add ons in the future to see if there's
something that might solve my need. Thanks again.

Luke


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] using NVDA with Bluetooth

Luke R, please check the NVDA addons page for 1 called Bluetooth audio.
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/BluetoothAudio.en.html

On 1/6/21, Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry, I should have been clearer. The AirPods connect via Bluetooth.
They connect fine, it’s just that slight delay and truncating of the
first part of NVDA speech that makes them unusable for me. Would love
if this has been fixed somehow. Thanks.

On Jan 6, 2021, at 2:57 PM, Luke Robinett via groups.io
<blindgroupsluke=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hey Bob and others,
I’ve tried several times in the recent past to use my Apple AirPods
with my PC and NVDA but it never works very well. There’s a bit of
lag and the first bit of whatever NVDA speaks gets chopped off. Has
this since been fixed, either in windows or NVDA?

On Jan 1, 2021, at 8:58 PM, Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@gmail.com> wrote:

Ah, not sure how I missed this until this morning, but just tried
it and it works brilliantly! Now all I have to decide is which
output to stream to the speaker, Zara or NVDA. I think this is going
to work though. Now all I need is a test server to put into Alta
Cast so I can try this out.

On 12/31/20, Jackie <abletec@gmail.com> wrote:
Bob, please try going to your synthesizer settings
(control+NVDA+s), select your synthesizer, & set your desired audio
output device there.

On 12/31/20, Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi everyone,
It was a post on this list that inspired me to try using NVDA with
my Bluetooth speaker, and to my surprise, it actually worked. My
question is, can I somehow tell NVDA and only NVDA to output to
the Bluetooth speaker, and have everything else still come through
the computer speakers?
Bob






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Re: using NVDA with Bluetooth

Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...>
 

Roger that. Thanks. I'm seeing a pattern here -- whereas Apple says "there's an app for that," with NVDA it's "there's an add on for that." :) I'll make sure to check out the available add ons in the future to see if there's something that might solve my need. Thanks again.

Luke

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] using NVDA with Bluetooth

Luke R, please check the NVDA addons page for 1 called Bluetooth audio.
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/BluetoothAudio.en.html

On 1/6/21, Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry, I should have been clearer. The AirPods connect via Bluetooth.
They connect fine, it’s just that slight delay and truncating of the
first part of NVDA speech that makes them unusable for me. Would love
if this has been fixed somehow. Thanks.

On Jan 6, 2021, at 2:57 PM, Luke Robinett via groups.io
<blindgroupsluke=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hey Bob and others,
I’ve tried several times in the recent past to use my Apple AirPods
with my PC and NVDA but it never works very well. There’s a bit of
lag and the first bit of whatever NVDA speaks gets chopped off. Has
this since been fixed, either in windows or NVDA?

On Jan 1, 2021, at 8:58 PM, Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@gmail.com> wrote:

Ah, not sure how I missed this until this morning, but just tried
it and it works brilliantly! Now all I have to decide is which
output to stream to the speaker, Zara or NVDA. I think this is going
to work though. Now all I need is a test server to put into Alta
Cast so I can try this out.

On 12/31/20, Jackie <abletec@gmail.com> wrote:
Bob, please try going to your synthesizer settings
(control+NVDA+s), select your synthesizer, & set your desired audio output device there.

On 12/31/20, Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi everyone,
It was a post on this list that inspired me to try using NVDA with
my Bluetooth speaker, and to my surprise, it actually worked. My
question is, can I somehow tell NVDA and only NVDA to output to
the Bluetooth speaker, and have everything else still come through
the computer speakers?
Bob






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Re: Selecting Files

Gene
 

Not control key home. If you move in a folder using control, however you move, nothing is selected or unselected. I'm saying that if you are in a folder, move around in it using the arrow keys, home or end, the file you move to will be selected. If you just open a folder, nothing is selected. You opened a folder, pressed control and moved. Nothing was selected and nothing became selected.
My point is that people need to know that if they have moved in a folder something will be selected and it may not be one of the things they want selected. To make this simple, if you are in a folder that you have moved around in and you want to make sure nothing is selected, press home, then hold control and press the space bar. Now, nothing is selected.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2021 7:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files

Hi Gene


I just done it to 2 different folders that I went into.


So when I go in see all the files then use ctrl key + home key none is
selected unless I want it selected. This is on windows 10. I am guessing
also the same result will be for all folders with files.


Gene nz


On 7/01/2021 1:00 pm, Gene wrote:
The tutorial omits something important. If you move to the top of the list, the item you have moved to is selected. If you hold control and you don't want it selected, you should press space on that item

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2021 5:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files



Hi




is the following tutorial from off my website is what he is wanting. It is for windows explorer.




Selecting and unselecting files in File Explorer
When you go into a folder in file explorer you might only want to copy certain files out of that folder. They might not be together or in a group. To copy only certain files out of the folder if there are heaps of them you will need to do the following.
It would be easier to go to the top of the folder so you can see all the files below. Now, hold down the Ctrl key, then use the Spacebar to select or unselect hightlighted files. Each time you press the Spacebar on an unselected file it will then become selected. Work your way down the files you want and select them with the Spacebar while still holding the Ctrl key. You should hear whether it is selected or unselected. As you arrow down the list of files, to confirm which ones you selected while still holding down the Ctrl key, go to the top of the folder then arrow down the list. If it only says the name of the song it is selected but if it says the name of the song and unselected then you know it is not. Usually the status bar can be read with the NVDA key + End key but not at present.

You can grab an NVDA add-on to tell you how many files have been selected until Windows fixes this problem. You will need to use the NVDA key and the End key to see how many file were selected. Please visit the following link https://www.dropbox.com/s/a935bus11i8y8k0/ZExplorer_1.0_Gen.nvda-addon?dl=0





Gene nz




On 7/01/2021 11:58 am, Sascha Cowley via groups.io wrote:
You should not need to use Ctrl while doing this; Shift + ↓ will extend a continuous selection. Using Ctrl + Shift + ↓ seems to continue a non-continuous selection from the last selected item (IE the one nearest above where you are in the list). With that in mind, are you trying to use Ctrl+Shift+↓ in a list view where nothing is selected? If so, try pressing Space on the item you want to be the first selected item, then using Ctrl+Shift+↓.







Re: Selecting Files

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi Gene


I just done it to 2 different folders that I went into.


So when I go in see all the files then use ctrl key + home key none is selected unless I want it selected. This is on windows 10. I am guessing also the same result will be for all folders with files.


Gene nz

On 7/01/2021 1:00 pm, Gene wrote:
The tutorial omits something important.  If you move to the top of the list, the item you have moved to is selected.  If you hold control and you don't want it selected, you should press space on that item

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2021 5:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files



Hi




is the following tutorial from off my website is what he is wanting. It is for windows explorer.




Selecting and unselecting files in File Explorer
When you go into a folder in file explorer you might only want to copy certain files out of that folder. They might not be together or in a group. To copy only certain files out of the folder if there are heaps of them you will need to do the following.
It would be easier to go to the top of the folder so you can see all the files below. Now, hold down the Ctrl key, then use the Spacebar to select or unselect hightlighted files. Each time you press the Spacebar on an unselected file it will then become selected. Work your way down the files you want and select them with the Spacebar while still holding the Ctrl key. You should hear whether it is selected or unselected. As you arrow down the list of files, to confirm which ones you selected while still holding down the Ctrl key, go to the top of the folder then arrow down the list. If it only says the name of the song it is selected but if it says the name of the song and unselected then you know it is not. Usually the status bar can be read with the NVDA key + End key but not at present.

You can grab an NVDA add-on to tell you how many files have been selected until Windows fixes this problem. You will need to use the NVDA key and the End key to see how many file were selected. Please visit the following link https://www.dropbox.com/s/a935bus11i8y8k0/ZExplorer_1.0_Gen.nvda-addon?dl=0





Gene nz




On 7/01/2021 11:58 am, Sascha Cowley via groups.io wrote:
You should not need to use Ctrl while doing this; Shift + ↓ will extend a continuous selection. Using Ctrl + Shift + ↓ seems to continue a non-continuous selection from the last selected item (IE the one nearest above where you are in the list). With that in mind, are you trying to use Ctrl+Shift+↓ in a list view where nothing is selected? If so, try pressing Space on the item you want to be the first selected item, then using Ctrl+Shift+↓.






Re: using NVDA with Bluetooth

Jackie
 

Luke R, please check the NVDA addons page for 1 called Bluetooth audio.
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/BluetoothAudio.en.html

On 1/6/21, Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry, I should have been clearer. The AirPods connect via Bluetooth. They
connect fine, it’s just that slight delay and truncating of the first part
of NVDA speech that makes them unusable for me. Would love if this has been
fixed somehow. Thanks.

On Jan 6, 2021, at 2:57 PM, Luke Robinett via groups.io
<blindgroupsluke=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hey Bob and others,
I’ve tried several times in the recent past to use my Apple AirPods with
my PC and NVDA but it never works very well. There’s a bit of lag and the
first bit of whatever NVDA speaks gets chopped off. Has this since been
fixed, either in windows or NVDA?

On Jan 1, 2021, at 8:58 PM, Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@gmail.com> wrote:

Ah, not sure how I missed this until this morning, but just tried it
and it works brilliantly! Now all I have to decide is which output to
stream to the speaker, Zara or NVDA. I think this is going to work
though. Now all I need is a test server to put into Alta Cast so I can
try this out.

On 12/31/20, Jackie <abletec@gmail.com> wrote:
Bob, please try going to your synthesizer settings (control+NVDA+s),
select your synthesizer, & set your desired audio output device there.

On 12/31/20, Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi everyone,
It was a post on this list that inspired me to try using NVDA with my
Bluetooth speaker, and to my surprise, it actually worked. My question
is, can I somehow tell NVDA and only NVDA to output to the Bluetooth
speaker, and have everything else still come through the computer
speakers?
Bob






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Re: Selecting Files

Joshua Hendrickson
 

I have always selected files using control space bar. I have never
used shift down arrow or anything like that. Also, if you are in a
folder and you want to select all the files in that folder, just hit
control a and then everything in that folder is selected.

On 1/6/21, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
The tutorial omits something important. If you move to the top of the list,

the item you have moved to is selected. If you hold control and you don't
want it selected, you should press space on that item

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2021 5:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files



Hi




is the following tutorial from off my website is what he is wanting. It is
for windows explorer.




Selecting and unselecting files in File Explorer
When you go into a folder in file explorer you might only want to copy
certain files out of that folder. They might not be together or in a group.

To copy only certain files out of the folder if there are heaps of them you

will need to do the following.
It would be easier to go to the top of the folder so you can see all the
files below. Now, hold down the Ctrl key, then use the Spacebar to select or

unselect hightlighted files. Each time you press the Spacebar on an
unselected file it will then become selected. Work your way down the files
you want and select them with the Spacebar while still holding the Ctrl key.

You should hear whether it is selected or unselected. As you arrow down the

list of files, to confirm which ones you selected while still holding down
the Ctrl key, go to the top of the folder then arrow down the list. If it
only says the name of the song it is selected but if it says the name of the

song and unselected then you know it is not. Usually the status bar can be
read with the NVDA key + End key but not at present.

You can grab an NVDA add-on to tell you how many files have been selected
until Windows fixes this problem. You will need to use the NVDA key and the

End key to see how many file were selected. Please visit the following link

https://www.dropbox.com/s/a935bus11i8y8k0/ZExplorer_1.0_Gen.nvda-addon?dl=0





Gene nz




On 7/01/2021 11:58 am, Sascha Cowley via groups.io wrote:
You should not need to use Ctrl while doing this; Shift + ↓ will extend a
continuous selection. Using Ctrl + Shift + ↓ seems to continue a
non-continuous selection from the last selected item (IE the one nearest
above where you are in the list). With that in mind, are you trying to use
Ctrl+Shift+↓ in a list view where nothing is selected? If so, try pressing
Space on the item you want to be the first selected item, then using
Ctrl+Shift+↓.







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Re: Selecting Files

Gene
 

The tutorial omits something important. If you move to the top of the list, the item you have moved to is selected. If you hold control and you don't want it selected, you should press space on that item

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2021 5:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files



Hi




is the following tutorial from off my website is what he is wanting. It is for windows explorer.




Selecting and unselecting files in File Explorer
When you go into a folder in file explorer you might only want to copy certain files out of that folder. They might not be together or in a group. To copy only certain files out of the folder if there are heaps of them you will need to do the following.
It would be easier to go to the top of the folder so you can see all the files below. Now, hold down the Ctrl key, then use the Spacebar to select or unselect hightlighted files. Each time you press the Spacebar on an unselected file it will then become selected. Work your way down the files you want and select them with the Spacebar while still holding the Ctrl key. You should hear whether it is selected or unselected. As you arrow down the list of files, to confirm which ones you selected while still holding down the Ctrl key, go to the top of the folder then arrow down the list. If it only says the name of the song it is selected but if it says the name of the song and unselected then you know it is not. Usually the status bar can be read with the NVDA key + End key but not at present.

You can grab an NVDA add-on to tell you how many files have been selected until Windows fixes this problem. You will need to use the NVDA key and the End key to see how many file were selected. Please visit the following link https://www.dropbox.com/s/a935bus11i8y8k0/ZExplorer_1.0_Gen.nvda-addon?dl=0





Gene nz




On 7/01/2021 11:58 am, Sascha Cowley via groups.io wrote:
You should not need to use Ctrl while doing this; Shift + ↓ will extend a continuous selection. Using Ctrl + Shift + ↓ seems to continue a non-continuous selection from the last selected item (IE the one nearest above where you are in the list). With that in mind, are you trying to use Ctrl+Shift+↓ in a list view where nothing is selected? If so, try pressing Space on the item you want to be the first selected item, then using Ctrl+Shift+↓.


Re: Selecting Files

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


is the following tutorial from off my website is what he is wanting. It is for windows explorer.


Selecting and unselecting files in File Explorer
When you go into a folder in file explorer you might only want to copy certain files out of that folder. They might not be together or in a group. To copy only certain files out of the folder if there are heaps of them you will need to do the following.
It would be easier to go to the top of the folder so you can see all the files below. Now, hold down the Ctrl key, then use the Spacebar to select or unselect hightlighted files. Each time you press the Spacebar on an unselected file it will then become selected. Work your way down the files you want and select them with the Spacebar while still holding the Ctrl key. You should hear whether it is selected or unselected. As you arrow down the list of files, to confirm which ones you selected while still holding down the Ctrl key, go to the top of the folder then arrow down the list. If it only says the name of the song it is selected but if it says the name of the song and unselected then you know it is not. Usually the status bar can be read with the NVDA key + End key but not at present.

You can grab an NVDA add-on to tell you how many files have been selected until Windows fixes this problem. You will need to use the NVDA key and the End key to see how many file were selected. Please visit the following link https://www.dropbox.com/s/a935bus11i8y8k0/ZExplorer_1.0_Gen.nvda-addon?dl=0


Gene nz


On 7/01/2021 11:58 am, Sascha Cowley via groups.io wrote:
You should not need to use Ctrl while doing this; Shift + ↓ will extend a continuous selection. Using Ctrl + Shift + ↓ seems to continue a non-continuous selection from the last selected item (IE the one nearest above where you are in the list). With that in mind, are you trying to use Ctrl+Shift+↓ in a list view where nothing is selected? If so, try pressing Space on the item you want to be the first selected item, then using Ctrl+Shift+↓.


Re: Selecting Files

Gene
 

To select contiguous items, just use shift. To select items that are not contiguous, hold control and down arrow until you get to something you want to select, and press space while still holding shift. Continuing to hold control, down arrow and when you find another file you want to select, press space again. That is how list views work in general. If you are in a list and you have moved so something is already selected and you want to start at the top with nothing selected, move to the top of the list with the up arrow or home. You have moved to the first item in the list. It is now selected. Unselect it with control space. Then, I am assuming you don't want it selected, press control and start down arrowing as I described. If you move to the top of a list and want the first item selected, it already is. If you hold control and down arrow, it will remain selected. it will remain selected if you use shift down arrow as well.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Sascha Cowley via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2021 4:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files

You should not need to use Ctrl while doing this; Shift + ↓ will extend a continuous selection. Using Ctrl + Shift + ↓ seems to continue a non-continuous selection from the last selected item (IE the one nearest above where you are in the list). With that in mind, are you trying to use Ctrl+Shift+↓ in a list view where nothing is selected? If so, try pressing Space on the item you want to be the first selected item, then using Ctrl+Shift+↓.


Re: Selecting Files

Gene
 

It’s the wrong command. In a list, when you are selecting using shift, just use shift.

Gene

----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Gray
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2021 4:44 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Selecting Files



Hello:



When I use ctrl+shft+downarrow or ctrl+shft+downarrow to select one or more files, nothing is selected. I have tried changing scroll lock, testing my keyboard under Windows 10 and other MS suggestions but to no avail. Any thoughts here?



Many thanks.



Chris


Re: Selecting Files

benmoxey@...
 

Hi everyone

 

Hold the Shift and use your arrows to select files that are next to each other.

 

If you only want some of the files in a folder, hold Control and use your arrows to move to those files. Keep the Control held down and use Space to select or unselect. Only release the Control when you are done and are ready to copy, cut etc. If you release Control and press one of the arrows, you will lose the selection and will need to start over.

 

Cheers

 

Ben

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sascha Cowley via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, 7 January 2021 10:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files

 

Ctrl+↓ moves the focus without affecting the highlight. Do you mean Shift+↓, or am I missing something?


Re: Strategies for navigating YouTube comments using NVDA?

Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...>
 

Thanks for all the great ideas, folks. Turns out I’m already doing a combination of most of these things but did pick up a few tips and tricks. Tony, that plug-in sounds awesome! I will definitely grab that and see if it helps. I found that if I press control end to go to the very bottom of the page and then press shift 2 a couple of times I will find the comments section pretty consistently since it is under a level two heading. Of the two issues I originally brought up, I’d say traversing between the comments is the most annoying. Even if you press G to go to the profile image of each user, there are still numerous elements you have to move pass to get to the actual text of the comment. Thanks again and keep the ideas coming. I’ve already submitted The feedback to Google as I mentioned so hopefully that will help. In the scheme of things I know this isn’t like a critical issue or anything, but I am a big fan of reading and interacting with comments on topics that interest me so it would be nice if that could be made a little easier. :)

On Dec 31, 2020, at 6:08 PM, Sascha Cowley via groups.io <sascha.camille@...> wrote:

Comments are only loaded when you scroll down the page past the video description. Usually, I just rapidly scroll down the page, wait a couple of seconds, then the comments section will be there.
As for navigating comments, I typically use [e] to navigate to the edit field to add your own comment, then use [g] to navigate to each comment, as each begins with a profile picture.

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