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Re: safe mode

Gene
 

there is a lot of confusion when links are used with 0 instead of 1.  There are a lot of different knowledge and skill levels when using the Internet.  I see lots of confusion whenever people send drop box links to e-mail lists of blind users with 0 used as the end number.  1 should be used to avoid this confusion.  I'm not discussing what can be done to download if the number is 0.  I'm discussing the result of doing so.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] safe mode

Hi


it is just as easy to find the link then use the applications key then if using mozilla fire fox arrow down to save link as then press the enter key.


it will then give you the option to save it to where you want then save it to your pc. If internet exploder it will be save target as etc.


That is the way i usually do it on all files it may depend if you press the enter key on it wheather it gives you the option to open or save as well.

This may be on other websites.


Gene nz



On 12/12/2017 9:49 AM, Gene wrote:
I don't remember what happens if the download link has a 0 at the end.  A page comes up and there is some way to download.  But that isn't the main point.  If you change the 0 to a 1, following the link causes a download to begin without showing any page, as a standard download link does.  1 should be used to avoid confusion.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] safe mode

Hi


I will go back and check to make sure i put the message there i might of just said tested on a windows 7 and 10 machine with various sound cards. easy to amend later on.


When you click on the drop box link unless they have changed it you need to change the mode .


I just had a quick look and the first page says about signing up to a drop box account so you go to the bottom of it and say no and continue. the next screen that comes up will give you the options to download and play a file. I think you have to change modes to see the options or when it just goes into this screen press the tab key then change mode.


Then it is a matter of locating those sections.


The other way if i remember right is locate the link on the page press the applications key arrow down to either save target as or save link as . A save dialogue box will come up. make sure it says the file name as in most cases it is mp3 then save to some where easy to find.


I do have a drop box account but i am guessing this is what others see as well?


I could add directions up there or do a audio file if needed to new users?



I am wondering also I think it was Brian said it did not work did he apply the settings first before he pressed enter on the ok button. Otherwise it may not have done it I am guessing.

he needs to do it both times I could ad in about it but i usually look for ther buttons just in case like that.


By the way it was uploaded last night but will let list know of other stuff that went up later on today.


gene nz



On 12/12/2017 12:40 AM, Hareth wrote:
Hi Gene,
That's looks good and simple.
If you like to change the number "0" at the end of the DropBox link
into "1" that would  make it downloadable without having to log in to
dropbox, some people don't have a dropbox account.
also if you like to put a notice that it's not been tested with all
sound card drivers, so its better to test it if sighted person around.
BTW I have tested it with NVDA remote auto connect enabled, on the PC
needs troubleshooting, of course that needs a few arrow downs in the
boot page at the selection boot page to high lite the checked
"network" option before reboot into safe mode.
and that is 100% working tested a lot by me, sense the PC to be
controlled doesn't need working sound card for that.



On 12/11/17, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi


Below will be roughly what goes up to the web page. at present i can not
upload and saying the server is temporally available error 502

So until it is fixed or sorted i can not post to the website.

I will let others know when the other stuf goes up if not already there.

It just means no body can access the site.

Do you reckon it sounds alright?



How to access safe mode in Windows and exit it with the NVDA screen reader
by Hareth  and co
What is safe mode?
Safe mode is a troubleshooting option for Windows that starts your computer
in a limited state. Only the basic files and drivers necessary to run
Windows are started. Safe mode is useful for troubleshooting problems with
programs and drivers that might not start correctly or that might prevent
Windows from starting correctly.

To use NVDA in safe mode

You will need to install a registry patch first. This file can be found at
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jr72u3sk7p0za2r/Activate_Sound_in_Win10_Safe_Mode.zip?dl=0


After it has been installed it will allow you to use NVDA in safe mode. This
has been tested on a Windows 7 and Windows 10 machine and with quite a few
different sound cards.

Directions to go into and out of safe mode in Windows

You can reboot in to safe mode by doing the following:
Press Windows plus R and type msconfig and hit Enter
Press Ctrl plus Tab to get to the "boot tab"
Tab to "safe boot" and check the check mark/check box.
Tab to "base video" and check it as well.
Tab to the OK button and press it. You should get a prompt to restart the
computer to apply the changes.
If you select "restart now" your PC should restart into safe mode.

Please note: When the registry patch has been installed, when you go into
safe mode,  you will have sound and be able to use the NVDA screen reader.
Message you will get while in safe mode
To confirm you are in safe mode, you can use the NVDA key + letter B. Below
is the type of message you will get as an example on a Windows 10 machine.
Safe Mode Microsoft (R) Windows (R) (Build 16299.rs3_release.170928-1534)
Safe Mode



After finishing your PC job with safe mode, do the same steps above,
but this time uncheck the two check boxes above for both safe boot, and
base video;  and press OK and restart. Your PC will restart to the normal
mode.



On 12/11/2017 11:13 AM, Hareth wrote:

I my self tested it with multiple win7 PC's plus the win10 testing,
and quite few others that I know.
Just win8X is missing the confirmed test.
I believe for the best to put a notice
 telling people to give it a try when they have a sighted company
around to make sure 100% it works for their PC , before  they really
need to preform a task on it when problems  happens with it.
My last name is "Al-hamdany" but you can leave it with the 1st only.
and it is a co thing after all. I just mixed the reg
 code with the way to restart I was using sense I was sighted PC user
cause its faster to reboot than power of the computer and wait for it
to save stuff and sometimes it jams with something. Plus the standard
boot to the startup menu list is nut accessible
Anyway it served me big time with fixes I, I would never been able to
do without it.

Thanks again

On 12/11/17, Gene New Zealand
<hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...>
wrote:


Hi Hareth

I will add your name to it near the heading of the tutorial. I only have
your first name so just add that or add a last name if you give it to me or
i might just leave it off.

not sure but might put and co? as i do not really want to put my name  as
in
the extra bits.

it will go up in the next 12 hours and I will be leaving a copy in the drop
box account to link to for the file.

If i know it will also work on 7,8 etc i will mention that when i get some
more feed back.



Gene nz


On 12/11/2017 9:52 AM, Hareth wrote:

Of course, you can add what ever makes it better to use.
I've tested it with win10 the last 3 editions, and windows7 as well.
I'd assume it should work just fine for win8 or 8.1.
Sure it would be  better if anyone gives it a spin with those 2
untested win editions.
the initial dropbox link I've posted still working I didn't remove the
file, but for the best if the file stored on a permanent storage  with
a linked URL.
It would be an honor to have my name posted on your website, at  the
same time It won't bother me at all if you didn't, so do as you like.
Again all your work is greatly appreciated.
Best

On 12/10/17, Gene New Zealand
<hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...>
wrote:


Hi Hareth


if you do not mind I might add a little to it but the content will pretty
much be the same.


The extra 2 parts will be a little about safe mode and why you would go
into
it.


the second part will be to confirm you are in safe mode and what type of
message you will get.


There will also be a drop box link for the file to get it that i have here
and used.


I only tested it with a windows 10 machine do you know if it would say work
for a windows 8 or 7 machine? I do not have any here to test with as i
could
note that on the page.

Just in case people ask questions or want to know if it works with there
sound cards as well.

I am guessing it will.


Do you want your name mentioned? on the tutorial or left off?


I will be uploading some material tonight and this tutorial will be part of
it. I will then let the community know.


Gene nz


On 12/11/2017 12:02 AM, Hareth wrote:

Hi Gene,
Sure I did say yes, feel free to post that or any of my posts in the
future.
I do appreciate your time and effort to help the community.
And for David, Thanks a lot for the kind words, greatly appreciate it.
All the best





--
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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the
NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you,
please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.








--
[Image NVDA          certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the
NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you,
please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.








--
[Image NVDA          certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.


--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: safe mode

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


it is just as easy to find the link then use the applications key then if using mozilla fire fox arrow down to save link as then press the enter key.


it will then give you the option to save it to where you want then save it to your pc. If internet exploder it will be save target as etc.


That is the way i usually do it on all files it may depend if you press the enter key on it wheather it gives you the option to open or save as well.

This may be on other websites.


Gene nz



On 12/12/2017 9:49 AM, Gene wrote:
I don't remember what happens if the download link has a 0 at the end.  A page comes up and there is some way to download.  But that isn't the main point.  If you change the 0 to a 1, following the link causes a download to begin without showing any page, as a standard download link does.  1 should be used to avoid confusion.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] safe mode

Hi


I will go back and check to make sure i put the message there i might of just said tested on a windows 7 and 10 machine with various sound cards. easy to amend later on.


When you click on the drop box link unless they have changed it you need to change the mode .


I just had a quick look and the first page says about signing up to a drop box account so you go to the bottom of it and say no and continue. the next screen that comes up will give you the options to download and play a file. I think you have to change modes to see the options or when it just goes into this screen press the tab key then change mode.


Then it is a matter of locating those sections.


The other way if i remember right is locate the link on the page press the applications key arrow down to either save target as or save link as . A save dialogue box will come up. make sure it says the file name as in most cases it is mp3 then save to some where easy to find.


I do have a drop box account but i am guessing this is what others see as well?


I could add directions up there or do a audio file if needed to new users?



I am wondering also I think it was Brian said it did not work did he apply the settings first before he pressed enter on the ok button. Otherwise it may not have done it I am guessing.

he needs to do it both times I could ad in about it but i usually look for ther buttons just in case like that.


By the way it was uploaded last night but will let list know of other stuff that went up later on today.


gene nz



On 12/12/2017 12:40 AM, Hareth wrote:
Hi Gene,
That's looks good and simple.
If you like to change the number "0" at the end of the DropBox link
into "1" that would  make it downloadable without having to log in to
dropbox, some people don't have a dropbox account.
also if you like to put a notice that it's not been tested with all
sound card drivers, so its better to test it if sighted person around.
BTW I have tested it with NVDA remote auto connect enabled, on the PC
needs troubleshooting, of course that needs a few arrow downs in the
boot page at the selection boot page to high lite the checked
"network" option before reboot into safe mode.
and that is 100% working tested a lot by me, sense the PC to be
controlled doesn't need working sound card for that.



On 12/11/17, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi


Below will be roughly what goes up to the web page. at present i can not
upload and saying the server is temporally available error 502

So until it is fixed or sorted i can not post to the website.

I will let others know when the other stuf goes up if not already there.

It just means no body can access the site.

Do you reckon it sounds alright?



How to access safe mode in Windows and exit it with the NVDA screen reader
by Hareth  and co
What is safe mode?
Safe mode is a troubleshooting option for Windows that starts your computer
in a limited state. Only the basic files and drivers necessary to run
Windows are started. Safe mode is useful for troubleshooting problems with
programs and drivers that might not start correctly or that might prevent
Windows from starting correctly.

To use NVDA in safe mode

You will need to install a registry patch first. This file can be found at
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jr72u3sk7p0za2r/Activate_Sound_in_Win10_Safe_Mode.zip?dl=0


After it has been installed it will allow you to use NVDA in safe mode. This
has been tested on a Windows 7 and Windows 10 machine and with quite a few
different sound cards.

Directions to go into and out of safe mode in Windows

You can reboot in to safe mode by doing the following:
Press Windows plus R and type msconfig and hit Enter
Press Ctrl plus Tab to get to the "boot tab"
Tab to "safe boot" and check the check mark/check box.
Tab to "base video" and check it as well.
Tab to the OK button and press it. You should get a prompt to restart the
computer to apply the changes.
If you select "restart now" your PC should restart into safe mode.

Please note: When the registry patch has been installed, when you go into
safe mode,  you will have sound and be able to use the NVDA screen reader.
Message you will get while in safe mode
To confirm you are in safe mode, you can use the NVDA key + letter B. Below
is the type of message you will get as an example on a Windows 10 machine.
Safe Mode Microsoft (R) Windows (R) (Build 16299.rs3_release.170928-1534)
Safe Mode



After finishing your PC job with safe mode, do the same steps above,
but this time uncheck the two check boxes above for both safe boot, and
base video;  and press OK and restart. Your PC will restart to the normal
mode.



On 12/11/2017 11:13 AM, Hareth wrote:

I my self tested it with multiple win7 PC's plus the win10 testing,
and quite few others that I know.
Just win8X is missing the confirmed test.
I believe for the best to put a notice
 telling people to give it a try when they have a sighted company
around to make sure 100% it works for their PC , before  they really
need to preform a task on it when problems  happens with it.
My last name is "Al-hamdany" but you can leave it with the 1st only.
and it is a co thing after all. I just mixed the reg
 code with the way to restart I was using sense I was sighted PC user
cause its faster to reboot than power of the computer and wait for it
to save stuff and sometimes it jams with something. Plus the standard
boot to the startup menu list is nut accessible
Anyway it served me big time with fixes I, I would never been able to
do without it.

Thanks again

On 12/11/17, Gene New Zealand
<hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...>
wrote:


Hi Hareth

I will add your name to it near the heading of the tutorial. I only have
your first name so just add that or add a last name if you give it to me or
i might just leave it off.

not sure but might put and co? as i do not really want to put my name  as
in
the extra bits.

it will go up in the next 12 hours and I will be leaving a copy in the drop
box account to link to for the file.

If i know it will also work on 7,8 etc i will mention that when i get some
more feed back.



Gene nz


On 12/11/2017 9:52 AM, Hareth wrote:

Of course, you can add what ever makes it better to use.
I've tested it with win10 the last 3 editions, and windows7 as well.
I'd assume it should work just fine for win8 or 8.1.
Sure it would be  better if anyone gives it a spin with those 2
untested win editions.
the initial dropbox link I've posted still working I didn't remove the
file, but for the best if the file stored on a permanent storage  with
a linked URL.
It would be an honor to have my name posted on your website, at  the
same time It won't bother me at all if you didn't, so do as you like.
Again all your work is greatly appreciated.
Best

On 12/10/17, Gene New Zealand
<hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...>
wrote:


Hi Hareth


if you do not mind I might add a little to it but the content will pretty
much be the same.


The extra 2 parts will be a little about safe mode and why you would go
into
it.


the second part will be to confirm you are in safe mode and what type of
message you will get.


There will also be a drop box link for the file to get it that i have here
and used.


I only tested it with a windows 10 machine do you know if it would say work
for a windows 8 or 7 machine? I do not have any here to test with as i
could
note that on the page.

Just in case people ask questions or want to know if it works with there
sound cards as well.

I am guessing it will.


Do you want your name mentioned? on the tutorial or left off?


I will be uploading some material tonight and this tutorial will be part of
it. I will then let the community know.


Gene nz


On 12/11/2017 12:02 AM, Hareth wrote:

Hi Gene,
Sure I did say yes, feel free to post that or any of my posts in the
future.
I do appreciate your time and effort to help the community.
And for David, Thanks a lot for the kind words, greatly appreciate it.
All the best





--
[Image NVDA          certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the
NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you,
please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.








--
[Image NVDA          certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the
NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you,
please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.








--
[Image NVDA          certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.


--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Question about converting pdf files to csv

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Jessica,

I just succeeded in converting a PDF file into CSV with the following steps:
1. Open the PDF file with Microsoft Word:
Press the Application key and ignore the "Open with adobe" and go on down to "Open with " and press right-arrow and then down-arrow to "Word" and press Enter.

2. Let Word open and press "OK" on all announcements that appear. Then press control+Home to move to the top of the open document followed by control+shift+End to highlight everything. Then press control+c to copy all to the clipboard.

3. Open Excel. An empty worksheet should appear. Make sure you are in cell "A1". Then press control+v to paste the contents of the clipboard into the open worksheet. Make sure the file looks right to you at this stage just in case you need to correct anything.

4. Press the following sequence of keystrokes (one after the other):
alt>f>a>o
The traditional "Save As" dialog will appear. Change the type of file to
"CSV (Comma delimited) (*.csv)"
and the job is done!

Sorry if my instructions are too detailed. I don't know how familiar you are with keystroke control.

All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Ballou
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 6:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about converting pdf files to csv

Hi,


Try this online converter and see if it works. I haven't used it in some time but they're still around converting files.


www.zamzar.com/convert/pdf-to-csv/


Tony


On 12/8/2017 12:57 PM, Jessica D wrote:
Hi,
I need to convert pdf files to csv.
what's the best, and most accessible way to do this?

Thanks,
Jessica


Re: safe mode

Gene
 

I don't remember what happens if the download link has a 0 at the end.  A page comes up and there is some way to download.  But that isn't the main point.  If you change the 0 to a 1, following the link causes a download to begin without showing any page, as a standard download link does.  1 should be used to avoid confusion.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] safe mode

Hi


I will go back and check to make sure i put the message there i might of just said tested on a windows 7 and 10 machine with various sound cards. easy to amend later on.


When you click on the drop box link unless they have changed it you need to change the mode .


I just had a quick look and the first page says about signing up to a drop box account so you go to the bottom of it and say no and continue. the next screen that comes up will give you the options to download and play a file. I think you have to change modes to see the options or when it just goes into this screen press the tab key then change mode.


Then it is a matter of locating those sections.


The other way if i remember right is locate the link on the page press the applications key arrow down to either save target as or save link as . A save dialogue box will come up. make sure it says the file name as in most cases it is mp3 then save to some where easy to find.


I do have a drop box account but i am guessing this is what others see as well?


I could add directions up there or do a audio file if needed to new users?



I am wondering also I think it was Brian said it did not work did he apply the settings first before he pressed enter on the ok button. Otherwise it may not have done it I am guessing.

he needs to do it both times I could ad in about it but i usually look for ther buttons just in case like that.


By the way it was uploaded last night but will let list know of other stuff that went up later on today.


gene nz



On 12/12/2017 12:40 AM, Hareth wrote:
Hi Gene,
That's looks good and simple.
If you like to change the number "0" at the end of the DropBox link
into "1" that would  make it downloadable without having to log in to
dropbox, some people don't have a dropbox account.
also if you like to put a notice that it's not been tested with all
sound card drivers, so its better to test it if sighted person around.
BTW I have tested it with NVDA remote auto connect enabled, on the PC
needs troubleshooting, of course that needs a few arrow downs in the
boot page at the selection boot page to high lite the checked
"network" option before reboot into safe mode.
and that is 100% working tested a lot by me, sense the PC to be
controlled doesn't need working sound card for that.



On 12/11/17, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi


Below will be roughly what goes up to the web page. at present i can not
upload and saying the server is temporally available error 502

So until it is fixed or sorted i can not post to the website.

I will let others know when the other stuf goes up if not already there.

It just means no body can access the site.

Do you reckon it sounds alright?



How to access safe mode in Windows and exit it with the NVDA screen reader
by Hareth  and co
What is safe mode?
Safe mode is a troubleshooting option for Windows that starts your computer
in a limited state. Only the basic files and drivers necessary to run
Windows are started. Safe mode is useful for troubleshooting problems with
programs and drivers that might not start correctly or that might prevent
Windows from starting correctly.

To use NVDA in safe mode

You will need to install a registry patch first. This file can be found at
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jr72u3sk7p0za2r/Activate_Sound_in_Win10_Safe_Mode.zip?dl=0


After it has been installed it will allow you to use NVDA in safe mode. This
has been tested on a Windows 7 and Windows 10 machine and with quite a few
different sound cards.

Directions to go into and out of safe mode in Windows

You can reboot in to safe mode by doing the following:
Press Windows plus R and type msconfig and hit Enter
Press Ctrl plus Tab to get to the "boot tab"
Tab to "safe boot" and check the check mark/check box.
Tab to "base video" and check it as well.
Tab to the OK button and press it. You should get a prompt to restart the
computer to apply the changes.
If you select "restart now" your PC should restart into safe mode.

Please note: When the registry patch has been installed, when you go into
safe mode,  you will have sound and be able to use the NVDA screen reader.
Message you will get while in safe mode
To confirm you are in safe mode, you can use the NVDA key + letter B. Below
is the type of message you will get as an example on a Windows 10 machine.
Safe Mode Microsoft (R) Windows (R) (Build 16299.rs3_release.170928-1534)
Safe Mode



After finishing your PC job with safe mode, do the same steps above,
but this time uncheck the two check boxes above for both safe boot, and
base video;  and press OK and restart. Your PC will restart to the normal
mode.



On 12/11/2017 11:13 AM, Hareth wrote:

I my self tested it with multiple win7 PC's plus the win10 testing,
and quite few others that I know.
Just win8X is missing the confirmed test.
I believe for the best to put a notice
 telling people to give it a try when they have a sighted company
around to make sure 100% it works for their PC , before  they really
need to preform a task on it when problems  happens with it.
My last name is "Al-hamdany" but you can leave it with the 1st only.
and it is a co thing after all. I just mixed the reg
 code with the way to restart I was using sense I was sighted PC user
cause its faster to reboot than power of the computer and wait for it
to save stuff and sometimes it jams with something. Plus the standard
boot to the startup menu list is nut accessible
Anyway it served me big time with fixes I, I would never been able to
do without it.

Thanks again

On 12/11/17, Gene New Zealand
<hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...>
wrote:


Hi Hareth

I will add your name to it near the heading of the tutorial. I only have
your first name so just add that or add a last name if you give it to me or
i might just leave it off.

not sure but might put and co? as i do not really want to put my name  as
in
the extra bits.

it will go up in the next 12 hours and I will be leaving a copy in the drop
box account to link to for the file.

If i know it will also work on 7,8 etc i will mention that when i get some
more feed back.



Gene nz


On 12/11/2017 9:52 AM, Hareth wrote:

Of course, you can add what ever makes it better to use.
I've tested it with win10 the last 3 editions, and windows7 as well.
I'd assume it should work just fine for win8 or 8.1.
Sure it would be  better if anyone gives it a spin with those 2
untested win editions.
the initial dropbox link I've posted still working I didn't remove the
file, but for the best if the file stored on a permanent storage  with
a linked URL.
It would be an honor to have my name posted on your website, at  the
same time It won't bother me at all if you didn't, so do as you like.
Again all your work is greatly appreciated.
Best

On 12/10/17, Gene New Zealand
<hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...>
wrote:


Hi Hareth


if you do not mind I might add a little to it but the content will pretty
much be the same.


The extra 2 parts will be a little about safe mode and why you would go
into
it.


the second part will be to confirm you are in safe mode and what type of
message you will get.


There will also be a drop box link for the file to get it that i have here
and used.


I only tested it with a windows 10 machine do you know if it would say work
for a windows 8 or 7 machine? I do not have any here to test with as i
could
note that on the page.

Just in case people ask questions or want to know if it works with there
sound cards as well.

I am guessing it will.


Do you want your name mentioned? on the tutorial or left off?


I will be uploading some material tonight and this tutorial will be part of
it. I will then let the community know.


Gene nz


On 12/11/2017 12:02 AM, Hareth wrote:

Hi Gene,
Sure I did say yes, feel free to post that or any of my posts in the
future.
I do appreciate your time and effort to help the community.
And for David, Thanks a lot for the kind words, greatly appreciate it.
All the best





--
[Image NVDA          certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the
NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you,
please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.








--
[Image NVDA          certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the
NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you,
please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.








--
[Image NVDA          certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.


--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: safe mode

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


I will go back and check to make sure i put the message there i might of just said tested on a windows 7 and 10 machine with various sound cards. easy to amend later on.


When you click on the drop box link unless they have changed it you need to change the mode .


I just had a quick look and the first page says about signing up to a drop box account so you go to the bottom of it and say no and continue. the next screen that comes up will give you the options to download and play a file. I think you have to change modes to see the options or when it just goes into this screen press the tab key then change mode.


Then it is a matter of locating those sections.


The other way if i remember right is locate the link on the page press the applications key arrow down to either save target as or save link as . A save dialogue box will come up. make sure it says the file name as in most cases it is mp3 then save to some where easy to find.


I do have a drop box account but i am guessing this is what others see as well?


I could add directions up there or do a audio file if needed to new users?



I am wondering also I think it was Brian said it did not work did he apply the settings first before he pressed enter on the ok button. Otherwise it may not have done it I am guessing.

he needs to do it both times I could ad in about it but i usually look for ther buttons just in case like that.


By the way it was uploaded last night but will let list know of other stuff that went up later on today.


gene nz



On 12/12/2017 12:40 AM, Hareth wrote:
Hi Gene,
That's looks good and simple.
If you like to change the number "0" at the end of the DropBox link
into "1" that would  make it downloadable without having to log in to
dropbox, some people don't have a dropbox account.
also if you like to put a notice that it's not been tested with all
sound card drivers, so its better to test it if sighted person around.
BTW I have tested it with NVDA remote auto connect enabled, on the PC
needs troubleshooting, of course that needs a few arrow downs in the
boot page at the selection boot page to high lite the checked
"network" option before reboot into safe mode.
and that is 100% working tested a lot by me, sense the PC to be
controlled doesn't need working sound card for that.



On 12/11/17, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi


Below will be roughly what goes up to the web page. at present i can not
upload and saying the server is temporally available error 502

So until it is fixed or sorted i can not post to the website.

I will let others know when the other stuf goes up if not already there.

It just means no body can access the site.

Do you reckon it sounds alright?



How to access safe mode in Windows and exit it with the NVDA screen reader
by Hareth  and co
What is safe mode?
Safe mode is a troubleshooting option for Windows that starts your computer
in a limited state. Only the basic files and drivers necessary to run
Windows are started. Safe mode is useful for troubleshooting problems with
programs and drivers that might not start correctly or that might prevent
Windows from starting correctly.

To use NVDA in safe mode

You will need to install a registry patch first. This file can be found at
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jr72u3sk7p0za2r/Activate_Sound_in_Win10_Safe_Mode.zip?dl=0


After it has been installed it will allow you to use NVDA in safe mode. This
has been tested on a Windows 7 and Windows 10 machine and with quite a few
different sound cards.

Directions to go into and out of safe mode in Windows

You can reboot in to safe mode by doing the following:
Press Windows plus R and type msconfig and hit Enter
Press Ctrl plus Tab to get to the "boot tab"
Tab to "safe boot" and check the check mark/check box.
Tab to "base video" and check it as well.
Tab to the OK button and press it. You should get a prompt to restart the
computer to apply the changes.
If you select "restart now" your PC should restart into safe mode.

Please note: When the registry patch has been installed, when you go into
safe mode,  you will have sound and be able to use the NVDA screen reader.
Message you will get while in safe mode
To confirm you are in safe mode, you can use the NVDA key + letter B. Below
is the type of message you will get as an example on a Windows 10 machine.
Safe Mode Microsoft (R) Windows (R) (Build 16299.rs3_release.170928-1534)
Safe Mode



After finishing your PC job with safe mode, do the same steps above,
but this time uncheck the two check boxes above for both safe boot, and
base video;  and press OK and restart. Your PC will restart to the normal
mode.



On 12/11/2017 11:13 AM, Hareth wrote:

I my self tested it with multiple win7 PC's plus the win10 testing,
and quite few others that I know.
Just win8X is missing the confirmed test.
I believe for the best to put a notice
 telling people to give it a try when they have a sighted company
around to make sure 100% it works for their PC , before  they really
need to preform a task on it when problems  happens with it.
My last name is "Al-hamdany" but you can leave it with the 1st only.
and it is a co thing after all. I just mixed the reg
 code with the way to restart I was using sense I was sighted PC user
cause its faster to reboot than power of the computer and wait for it
to save stuff and sometimes it jams with something. Plus the standard
boot to the startup menu list is nut accessible
Anyway it served me big time with fixes I, I would never been able to
do without it.

Thanks again

On 12/11/17, Gene New Zealand
<hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...>
wrote:


Hi Hareth

I will add your name to it near the heading of the tutorial. I only have
your first name so just add that or add a last name if you give it to me or
i might just leave it off.

not sure but might put and co? as i do not really want to put my name  as
in
the extra bits.

it will go up in the next 12 hours and I will be leaving a copy in the drop
box account to link to for the file.

If i know it will also work on 7,8 etc i will mention that when i get some
more feed back.



Gene nz


On 12/11/2017 9:52 AM, Hareth wrote:

Of course, you can add what ever makes it better to use.
I've tested it with win10 the last 3 editions, and windows7 as well.
I'd assume it should work just fine for win8 or 8.1.
Sure it would be  better if anyone gives it a spin with those 2
untested win editions.
the initial dropbox link I've posted still working I didn't remove the
file, but for the best if the file stored on a permanent storage  with
a linked URL.
It would be an honor to have my name posted on your website, at  the
same time It won't bother me at all if you didn't, so do as you like.
Again all your work is greatly appreciated.
Best

On 12/10/17, Gene New Zealand
<hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...>
wrote:


Hi Hareth


if you do not mind I might add a little to it but the content will pretty
much be the same.


The extra 2 parts will be a little about safe mode and why you would go
into
it.


the second part will be to confirm you are in safe mode and what type of
message you will get.


There will also be a drop box link for the file to get it that i have here
and used.


I only tested it with a windows 10 machine do you know if it would say work
for a windows 8 or 7 machine? I do not have any here to test with as i
could
note that on the page.

Just in case people ask questions or want to know if it works with there
sound cards as well.

I am guessing it will.


Do you want your name mentioned? on the tutorial or left off?


I will be uploading some material tonight and this tutorial will be part of
it. I will then let the community know.


Gene nz


On 12/11/2017 12:02 AM, Hareth wrote:

Hi Gene,
Sure I did say yes, feel free to post that or any of my posts in the
future.
I do appreciate your time and effort to help the community.
And for David, Thanks a lot for the kind words, greatly appreciate it.
All the best





--
[Image NVDA          certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the
NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you,
please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.








--
[Image NVDA          certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the
NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you,
please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.








--
[Image NVDA          certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.




--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition ofWelcome to NVDA tutorials set?

David Moore
 

Hi Joseph!

Go for it, I would love to have an updated set of your tutorials. The conditions you give sounds great!

Thank you so much for doing this. I will really enjoy them, and I will tell others about them who really want to try NVDA.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Tony Ballou
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 12:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition ofWelcome to NVDA tutorials set?

 

Hi Joseph,

 

Go for it!  Since it has been a couple of years, and changes have been made to some things, it wouldn't hurt to record an updated version of it.

 

Tony

 

  On 12/9/2017 11:53 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Dear global NVDA community,

 

After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018 edition of the popular “Welcome to NVDA” tutorials set. The thing is, there are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access’s own Basic Training module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through my tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide.

 

For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at:

http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials

 

If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it’ll be done with some conditions:

 

·         The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest snapshot features.

·         I’ll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).

·         I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me, I’d rather ask you to donate to NV Access.

·         If possible, I’ll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.

·         I’ll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.

 

Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you say I should do it:

 

·         I’ll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.

·         Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as command line switches to start a portable copy after creating one and a note on Controlled Folder Access.

·         Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and others.

·         Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples, especially more universal app examples.

·         Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the fly and elements list improvements.

·         Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.

·         Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings, including Windows 10 OCR and many others.

·         Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.

·         Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including Remote Support add-on.

·         Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots and what not.

 

Comments are appreciated.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 


Re: malware bites question

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi yes is fully accessible with a screen reader.


gene nz



On 12/12/2017 3:10 AM, Chris Chaffin wrote:
I am not running windows 10, but will be getting a new computer for Xmas.  Since it looks like most of you are running Windows Defender, I am considering doing the same thing with my new computer.  One question, are you able to access the options and settings in windows 10 for Windows Defender?
That is one of the main problems I have with other virus and malware programs, so I was hoping it was accessible in Windows Defender.

Thanks,
Chris


On Dec 11, 2017, at 8:20 AM, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@...> wrote:

If you have the latest version of Windows 10 you don't need to run the malware program because there is built-in virus program called Windows Defender Security. If your machine seems to be infected you need to keep your virus definition up to date, then run offline to scan it. It will restart your PC and then, it will boot for couple of minutes. Once, the machine has been restarted you could check the history if the said threats were removed, or deleted.


Robert Mendoza

On 12/11/2017 8:22 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
I have Windows Defender and I do not get any warnings.



On 12/11/2017 5:20 AM, Gary Metzler wrote:
Hi Ron,

I am using windows defender.

-----Original Message----- From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 12:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] malware bites question

Hi Barry,


I don't know what anti virus program you are using, but with
many--particularly McAfee and Symantec products, they give a lot of
false positives.  I remember when people running NVDA had all sorts of
problems with Symantec which kept eating up NVDA whenever it updated.


On 12/10/2017 8:45 PM, Gary Metzler wrote:
Hi Ron,
A few months ago someone gave a link to bible seeker.  I tried to install it but, it didn't install.  I guess it was a virus.

-----Original Message----- From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 8:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] malware bites question

Hi Barry.


I have run Bible Seeker and its various components for years with no
problems.  This must be a false positive.



On 12/10/2017 8:05 PM, Gary Metzler wrote:
Hi Anthony,

The threat is from bible seeker.  I hope this helps.

-----Original Message----- From: Antony Stone
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 12:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] malware bites question

What problem did it report?

Without knowing what the "threat" is, we can't usefully advise on what to do
about it.

Antony.

On Sunday 10 December 2017 at 17:39:02, Gary Metzler wrote:

Hi All,

I ran the free trial of malware bites and it found a threat. How do I
delete it?  I am using the latest windows and nvda. Thanks for any
help.Regards, Gary kn4ox sendto: gmtravel@...










--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Survey: Preferred Help Formatr

John J. Boyer
 

I prefer B, html. See the NVDA user guide as an example. Of course you can include images, as long as using them is not
mandatory.

John

On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 02:44:32PM +0000, tonea.ctr.morrow@... wrote:
My team hasn't told me which help format we will be using for the online help. So, I thought I'd ask a little survey:

Which online help system do you prefer to use and a brief why, a.k.a. does one grant you more opportunities than another or is one more difficult with which to make a screen reader work?:

A) Win Help (chm): old-style windows help system with a content tree on the left, a large pane containing information filling the right and center areas, and a header across the top with forward, backward type buttons.

B) HTML Help: the design is similar to Win Help, but the whole thing runs in a web browser-whichever one is your default browswer.

C) PDF - Portable Document Format with proper tags.
--
John J. Boyer
Email: john.boyer@...
website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live.
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services
that are available at no cost


Re: turning up the volume in youtube

Gene
 

You don't have to work with these sliders and it's easier and more efficient not to.  From the top of the page, type the letter b until you get to something like the pause button.  That will mean that you are in the player interface.  Turn off browse mode with NVDA key space.
use up and down arrow to raise and lower the volume
.  To jump forward or back in a playing track, use right or left arrow.
Use main keyboard numbers 1 through nine to jump from one percent of the file to various percents.
1 is ten percent.  2 is twenty percent, etc.  0 starts play over from the start of the file and if the file has finished, pressing 0 will start play at the beginning again.  I haven't tested to see if other numbers resume play, once over, from those percents.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] turning up the volume in youtube

Hi Rose Marie,


On the you tube web page, there's a couple of sliders for the player. 
the first one is for moving backward and forward through the file you
are watching, and the second one is the one for increasing and
decreasing the volume. When you land on these sliders, NVDA will go into
browse mode initially but you can tab through the controls until you
find the volume slider and adjust it to your liking. Hope this helps.


Tony


On 12/8/2017 5:25 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

> Hi, everyone,
>
> I'm trying to watch a movie on youtube but the volume is quite low. How do I
> turn it up without having to turn up my speakers?
>
> Thanks for your helpp in advance.
>
> Rosemarie
>
>
>
>
>
>





Re: Survey: Preferred Help Format

Damien Garwood
 

Hi,
I know how to use CHM. But it seems that the CHM viewer is deteriorating. It’s not that we don’t know how to use it (granted there may be some who don’t), but my friend can’t read content in CHM documents that I compile (the actual HTML content is just showing a blank page for him on every item), and it seems to be the 64-bit version of the viewer gives me a treeview of items that NVDA reads as “unknown”. I find the index useful in large programming references and such, but usually a table of contents suggests a recommended order to read something in. And that’s fairly hard if all you have is a treeview with a bunch of items that read as “unknown” and that can’t even differentiate whether an item is opened, closed or on its own...I only ever had that problem since switching to 64-bit Windows. On 32-bit, I could read CHM files with absolutely no issues whatsoever.
Cheers.
Damien.
 

From: Gene
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Survey: Preferred Help Format
 
I haven't used PDF to any extent.  Isn't HTML mostly used now?  Whatever the case, if people have problems using CHM, that's another instance of poor instruction or of people picking up Windows and other learning not in an organized manner.  CHM is just as easy to use as HTML if you know how to use it.  I won't go into how to use it in this message, but it's a question of knowing  how to use it.  and knowing how to work with a treeview, an essential piece of knowledge for CHM help, is important to know in other contexts.  I'm not blaming people for not knowing how to use CHM help for whatever reason or reasons.  But it is worth knowing. 
 
CHM not only has a contents treeview, it has a search function and an index function as well.  I run into a CHM help system now and then and it is an advantage for blind people to know how to use it.
 
Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Survey: Preferred Help Format
 

Hi,


Perhaps either the .chm or .html versions would be best because they are what we as blind users are most familiar with. If I had to choose one over the other though, the .chm file version was good for me for the longest time and it's more of a preference thing than anything else.  you get use to the .html version eventually.


Tony


On 12/11/2017 9:44 AM, tonea.ctr.morrow@... wrote:

My team hasn’t told me which help format we will be using for the online help. So, I thought I’d ask a little survey:

 

Which online help system do you prefer to use and a brief why, a.k.a. does one grant you more opportunities than another or is one more difficult with which to make a screen reader work?:

<!--[if !supportLists]-->A)      <!--[endif]-->Win Help (chm): old-style windows help system with a content tree on the left, a large pane containing information filling the right and center areas, and a header across the top with forward, backward type buttons.

<!--[if !supportLists]-->B)      <!--[endif]-->HTML Help: the design is similar to Win Help, but the whole thing runs in a web browser—whichever one is your default browswer.

<!--[if !supportLists]-->C)      <!--[endif]-->PDF – Portable Document Format with proper tags.

 



disable object properties on braille display

Adriani Botez
 

Dear all,

 

does anyone know how to disable the object properties to be displayed on the braille display?

 

For example there is a link and on the braille display there appears lnk. I use the speech simoultanuously and I don’t need that information in braille as well. The same for example in outlook, when an e-mail has an attachment. I hear this information but I don’t want to read it on the display.

 

Thanks for suggestions.

 

 

Best

Adriani

 


Re: iPhone's Siri Male US English voice for use with NVDA?

Gerardo Corripio
 

The voice in question is Aaron. Does that ring a bell?

El 11/12/2017 a las 11:33 a.m., Damien Sykes escribió:
Hi,
Daniel's a UK voice, I'm pretty sure Gerardo specified a US voice. The only US voice that I can think of off the top of my head that wouldn't be in the Vocaliser list is Alex, because he's a voice made by Apple. A lot of people seem to like him because he not only talks but he breathes as well...Very novel for a TTS voice I must say!
But yeah. If it's the breathing one you're after, that's Alex and you'll be very lucky if Technotiflia will distribute that. Even assuming they have even a slim chance of obtaining a developer licence, it would then need to be ported for Windows and...Ugh. I certainly wouldn't relish the thought of doing all that!
Cheers.
Damien.
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What is it called, are you referring toDaniel?
I thought almost every synth had this as an option .
I have it but I find him ( John Briggs to give him his real name) Just a
little too sincere!
Brian

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Subject: [nvda] iPhone's Siri Male US English voice for use with NVDA?


I'm looking for the Siri Male iPhone voice (or its equivalent) on Tiflotecnia's Vocalizer Voices page, to use especially for reading, with NVDA, but it's not there. Might it be that's not been added yet? It'd be a dream come true if I could have it. Thanks for info.

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Re: Strange isue when browsing webpages

 

I was able to resolve the issue by unchecking automatic language and dialect switching,

Alvin

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Funny you should bring this up. I found that some web pages even in espeak are switching languages for some texts and links when its not appropriate at all. Really irritating and cannot decide if its actually the browser or nvda or the web site.
It will go away in miy case if I turn all refs to automatic language switching off in the dialogues. If you have any  personal configs set up as a profile do not forget to check those too.
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Subject: [nvda] Strange isue when browsing webpages


Hello guys,

I seem to be facing a strange issue when browsing web pages,

I am using the latest version of nvda and vocalizer tts voices,
When i am browsing a page,
The body of the page is read in a female voice and only the links are read in the male vocalizer voice, it's kind of annoying.

Anybody know how to fix this,

I would like pages to be read in only one vocalizer voice,
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Re: Question about converting pdf files to csv

Tony Ballou
 

Hi,


Try this online converter and see if it works.  I haven't used it in
some time but they're still around converting files.


www.zamzar.com/convert/pdf-to-csv/


Tony

On 12/8/2017 12:57 PM, Jessica D wrote:
Hi,
I need to convert pdf files to csv.
what's the best, and most accessible way to do this?

Thanks,
Jessica


Re: turning up the volume in youtube

Tony Ballou
 

Hi Rose Marie,


On the you tube web page, there's a couple of sliders for the player. 
the first one is for moving backward and forward through the file you
are watching, and the second one is the one for increasing and
decreasing the volume. When you land on these sliders, NVDA will go into
browse mode initially but you can tab through the controls until you
find the volume slider and adjust it to your liking. Hope this helps.


Tony

On 12/8/2017 5:25 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, everyone,

I'm trying to watch a movie on youtube but the volume is quite low. How do I
turn it up without having to turn up my speakers?

Thanks for your helpp in advance.

Rosemarie






Re: Request for comments: Should I record 2018 edition of Welcome to NVDA tutorials set?

Tony Ballou
 

Hi Joseph,


Go for it!  Since it has been a couple of years, and changes have been made to some things, it wouldn't hurt to record an updated version of it.


Tony


  On 12/9/2017 11:53 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Dear global NVDA community,

 

After reading recent threads on various NVDA lists and looking at some tweets, I find myself asking if I should do it again: record the 2018 edition of the popular “Welcome to NVDA” tutorials set. The thing is, there are more superb tutorials out now, including NV Access’s own Basic Training module. I do understand that many folks have come to know NVDA through my tutorials and some tutorials used mine as a reference or a guide.

 

For reference, the 2015 edition of this tutorials set can be found at:

http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials

 

If the community says I should record the 2018 edition, it’ll be done with some conditions:

 

  • The tutorial will be based on a combination of 2017.4 and latest snapshot features.
  • I’ll be using Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update).
  • I will not ask for payment for this set; if you insist on paying me, I’d rather ask you to donate to NV Access.
  • If possible, I’ll come up with a text transcript and a way for folks to provide edits via pull requests on GitHub.
  • I’ll be moving away from Internet Explorer for browse mode demonstrations, opting for Firefox and Microsoft Edge.

 

Below is a list of changes between 2015 and 2018 editions provided you say I should do it:

 

  • I’ll be using Windows OneCore voices for most speech demos.
  • Chapter 1 (Intro) will be expanded and re-recorded to improve recording quality, as well as adding additional information such as command line switches to start a portable copy after creating one and a note on Controlled Folder Access.
  • Chapter 2 (Basics) will go over more touchscreen possibilities, some command changes (including copying the contents of status bars) and others.
  • Chapter 3 (Objects and object navigation) will feature new examples, especially more universal app examples.
  • Chapter 4 (Browsing the web) will feature reading PDF documents with Microsoft Edge, turning off single letter navigation commands on the fly and elements list improvements.
  • Chapter 5 (Apps) will feature new and updated examples.
  • Chapters 6 and 7 (Configuration) will feature new settings, including Windows 10 OCR and many others.
  • Chapter 8 (tools) will feature content recognition.
  • Chapter 9 (Add-ons) will feature new and updated examples, including Remote Support add-on.
  • Addenda may include a word on ARM64 support, development snapshots and what not.

 

Comments are appreciated.

Cheers,

Joseph



Re: Survey: Preferred Help Format

Gene
 

I haven't used PDF to any extent.  Isn't HTML mostly used now?  Whatever the case, if people have problems using CHM, that's another instance of poor instruction or of people picking up Windows and other learning not in an organized manner.  CHM is just as easy to use as HTML if you know how to use it.  I won't go into how to use it in this message, but it's a question of knowing  how to use it.  and knowing how to work with a treeview, an essential piece of knowledge for CHM help, is important to know in other contexts.  I'm not blaming people for not knowing how to use CHM help for whatever reason or reasons.  But it is worth knowing. 
 
CHM not only has a contents treeview, it has a search function and an index function as well.  I run into a CHM help system now and then and it is an advantage for blind people to know how to use it.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Survey: Preferred Help Format

Hi,


Perhaps either the .chm or .html versions would be best because they are what we as blind users are most familiar with. If I had to choose one over the other though, the .chm file version was good for me for the longest time and it's more of a preference thing than anything else.  you get use to the .html version eventually.


Tony


On 12/11/2017 9:44 AM, tonea.ctr.morrow@... wrote:

My team hasn’t told me which help format we will be using for the online help. So, I thought I’d ask a little survey:

 

Which online help system do you prefer to use and a brief why, a.k.a. does one grant you more opportunities than another or is one more difficult with which to make a screen reader work?:

<!--[if !supportLists]-->A)      <!--[endif]-->Win Help (chm): old-style windows help system with a content tree on the left, a large pane containing information filling the right and center areas, and a header across the top with forward, backward type buttons.

<!--[if !supportLists]-->B)      <!--[endif]-->HTML Help: the design is similar to Win Help, but the whole thing runs in a web browser—whichever one is your default browswer.

<!--[if !supportLists]-->C)      <!--[endif]-->PDF – Portable Document Format with proper tags.

 



Just a word of warning

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I seem to be missing some posts to this list in my email, as I can see replies to some where the original is not there. Don't have time to go furtling about on the web site and it will probably get rectified soon so if anyone has asked me anything or I appear thick that either means I am thick or I did not see the original!
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Re: iPhone's Siri Male US English voice for use with NVDA?

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We are only assuming he means Alex at the moment as Daniel is there too and its ubiquitous in its distribution.
Brian

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Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] iPhone's Siri Male US English voice for use with NVDA?


Alex is not a Vocalizer voice.


Rui Fontes



Às 13:30 de 11/12/2017, Damien Sykes escreveu:
Hi,
Are you sure it's a Vocaliser voice and not one made by Apple? Apple
recently started putting their own voices onto iOS, like Alex and so on.
Cheers.
Damien.
-----Original Message----- From: Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 1:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] iPhone's Siri Male US English voice for use with NVDA?

I'm looking for the Siri Male iPhone voice (or its equivalent) on
Tiflotecnia's Vocalizer Voices page, to use especially for reading, with
NVDA, but it's not there. Might it be that's not been added yet? It'd be
a dream come true if I could have it. Thanks for info.


Re: Survey: Preferred Help Format

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I do not like pdf due to the problems it has if its not used with approved readers and if there are any mistakes in tagging. its also slow.
HTML however its done is far better, If the only difference is the way its stored we need hardly know about it. One thing to watch is not to provide an internal browser of the programs own making as these are notoriously inaccessible unless based on something like the old Mozilla code or IE.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Survey: Preferred Help Format


Hi there,
I have never been able to get WinHelp to work with screen readers. Having said that, WinHelp being a legacy format from the old XP days I have never actually tried using it with NVDA.
Again, PDF is another struggling point, at least for me. Converting into a plaintext or HTML format is possible, but it’s nice to be able to just open a document and read it straight away.
HTML help: I tend to prefer this option, though there are two options, packed as a .CHM (compiled HTML format) file, which seems to be the current Windows favourite, or as a single or multiple page folder or zip file etc. I personally had nothing against CHM’s until very recently, when some CHM’s I made refused to open the web pages on a friend’s machine, and when I switched to a 64-bit machine and all NVDA could say while navigating the contents tree was “Unknown, Unknown, Unknown”. Needless to say, that has unfortunately well and truly put me off CHM’s and has had me resorting to decompiling those into multiple page standard webpages and looking at the contents and index pages in source form. Again, not the best way to view help documentation in my opinion.
Obviously depending on machine, Windows version and, um, bitness? Screen reader version, confidence etc, different people will have different methods of dealing with these situations. But personally for me, the way I write help files now are as either a single document, or if it’s a big project, a folder with multiple HTML files, with the main file being called index which contains a table of contents.
Cheers.
Damien.


From: tonea.ctr.morrow@...
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 2:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Survey: Preferred Help Format

My team hasn’t told me which help format we will be using for the online help. So, I thought I’d ask a little survey:



Which online help system do you prefer to use and a brief why, a.k.a. does one grant you more opportunities than another or is one more difficult with which to make a screen reader work?:

A) Win Help (chm): old-style windows help system with a content tree on the left, a large pane containing information filling the right and center areas, and a header across the top with forward, backward type buttons.

B) HTML Help: the design is similar to Win Help, but the whole thing runs in a web browser—whichever one is your default browswer.

C) PDF – Portable Document Format with proper tags.