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NVDA and OE Classic

bob jutzi <jutzi1@...>
 

I finally decided to have a look at OE Classic.
Is there something I need to change in order for NVDA to read the list of folders? Also, what do I need to do to get it up and running with my Gmail or is this a feature unique to Pro?

Bob


Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

Wasn't talking about creating something too complicated.


I just found the JAWS script editor and the help system attached to each function allowed me to create some pretty functional scripts. Concentrated more on monitoring certain areas of the screen for an event, then perform an action when a particular string appeared. Really basic, but essential for my needs.


If you can understand object navigation in NVDA, in my opinion, you have the ability to learn how to create scripts in JAWS.


Yes, I did review a tutorial to understand the basics of scripting in JAWS, but I had to do that to learn NVDA too. No big deal.


On 4/21/2018 7:32 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Mouse frames: Golden Cursor is the closest equivalent.

As for the claim that it is easy to write JAWS scripts: I beg to differ. If you want to write scripts or add-ons, you need to have good programming skills; not just memorizing which file to include/import, you need to have a good grasp of what a window handle is, what a function is, how to use conditionals, loops, being up to date on API changes and so on.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 11:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

 

I don't know what the person had in mind but I think he was talking about the more or less equivalent of set files in JAWS.  They are called frames and they do roughly what set files do in Window-eyes.  I don't know if there are any technical reasons why NVDA doesn't have the ability to make such things but it is important that this be added unless there are tec hnical reasons against doing so.

 

Also, JAWS has an all setting for the screen echo that NVDA doesn't have.  This is very useful and it is more useful because JAWS allows you to use it with the skip forward and back commands while continuing to read.  I used to use the all setting a long time ago when I used a shell account and used Pine as my e-mail program on the shell account.  screen echo made it possible for me to use Pine with no modifications of anything on my part.  I would move to a new message and open it.  Then I would use the skip forward command, right shift, to skip forward in what was read until I got to what I wanted to hear.  When used with the screen echo set to all, this command and left shift, move back a line, kept reading after you moved.  I would thing such features would be very useful in NVDA.  But others who use newer and other programs would have to comment on whether this combination would be useful.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Gene

Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 11:14 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

 

I didn't know JAWS allows to easily create specific scripts.  I thought it took some programming skills just like making add ons for nvda does.  The one thing nvda needs is the ability to make something like set files as the old Window Eyes did.  This is something I did a bit.  I needed a bit of sighted help to do some things like positioning the mouse pointer exactly where I wanted it, but once this was done, all I had to do was save those positions, give the thing a name that was associated with the particular program and save it and it was done!  No programming skills needed at all.

Roger







On 4/20/2018 7:29 PM, Kenny wrote:

I agree with your statement.

 

I just switched over from using the latest build of JAWS 2018 to NVDA 2018.1.1, and I'm quite happy with my decision (Mainly a financial matter for I could no longer afford the $120+ SMA.) Been using JAWS since 1999, so you have an idea on how much money I've spent on it ;P

 

Took some time for me to adjust my fingers to using NVDA keyboard navigation, but once done it's very responsive, and with the installation of ETI Eloquence; sounds just as good.

 

The only benefit JAWS has over NVDA is the ability to create application specific scripts easily. JAWS also allowed you to re-assign classes for windows it would improperly define. Really wish NVDA allowed this option for there are several applications I use that it keeps incorrectly treating a listbox as if it was static text.

 

Other than that, NVDA is definitely on par with JAWS.

 

On 4/19/2018 3:43 PM, Gene wrote:

There are some uses for which JAWS is better.  My impression is that NVDA is either as good or better than JAWS for typical uses such as browsing, e-mail, working with audio players, and doing other things the majority of users do.  But JAWS is much more user configurable and the user who knows how to do so can make it work with many programs that aren't widely used, but that the person may want or need.  A lot of users won't have a need or wish to do so but the ability to customize JAWS is important for some users.

 

And there are times when JAWS works with a certain program better and where NVDA works with a specific program better. 

 

It's common to see the attitude among committed NVDA users that it is very superior and to pretty much dismiss JAWS.  that isn't a proper view.  for some, perhaps many, users, NVDA would be superior.  but there are blind people who rely on JAWS in important ways.  It's far better to have choices and I don't hope to see the demise of JAWS.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----
> Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my primary screen reader since I have started using computer for the first time in year 2010.
> The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in using NVDA.
> So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been using it as my secondary screen reader!
> I’m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS specially in the area of accessibility!
> Friends, I’d like to request you to  please comment about my observation if it is right?
> Please let me know the pros and cons of my observation!
> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
> Charlsdarwin1
>
>
> Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
> At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
> You can contact me via gmail:
> inamuddin09@...
> outlook:
> inam092@...
> yahoo:
> inamuddin2010@...
> AOL:
> charlsdarwin1969@...
> Add my Skype ID:
> charlsdarwin1
> Meet me on facebook:
> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
> Follow me on my twitter ID:
> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
> Call me on my cell numbers:
> +1-631-5335683
> +92-300-2227598
> +92-334-3348409
>
>


 

 



Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

Creating basic scripts using the JAWS script editor is pretty easy.


The help system in the JAWS script editor is what made creating application specific scripts simple in my humble opinion. No programming knowledge needed.


On 4/21/2018 12:14 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
I didn't know JAWS allows to easily create specific scripts.  I thought it took some programming skills just like making add ons for nvda does.  The one thing nvda needs is the ability to make something like set files as the old Window Eyes did.  This is something I did a bit.  I needed a bit of sighted help to do some things like positioning the mouse pointer exactly where I wanted it, but once this was done, all I had to do was save those positions, give the thing a name that was associated with the particular program and save it and it was done!  No programming skills needed at all.

Roger







On 4/20/2018 7:29 PM, Kenny wrote:

I agree with your statement.


I just switched over from using the latest build of JAWS 2018 to NVDA 2018.1.1, and I'm quite happy with my decision (Mainly a financial matter for I could no longer afford the $120+ SMA.) Been using JAWS since 1999, so you have an idea on how much money I've spent on it ;P


Took some time for me to adjust my fingers to using NVDA keyboard navigation, but once done it's very responsive, and with the installation of ETI Eloquence; sounds just as good.


The only benefit JAWS has over NVDA is the ability to create application specific scripts easily. JAWS also allowed you to re-assign classes for windows it would improperly define. Really wish NVDA allowed this option for there are several applications I use that it keeps incorrectly treating a listbox as if it was static text.


Other than that, NVDA is definitely on par with JAWS.


On 4/19/2018 3:43 PM, Gene wrote:
There are some uses for which JAWS is better.  My impression is that NVDA is either as good or better than JAWS for typical uses such as browsing, e-mail, working with audio players, and doing other things the majority of users do.  But JAWS is much more user configurable and the user who knows how to do so can make it work with many programs that aren't widely used, but that the person may want or need.  A lot of users won't have a need or wish to do so but the ability to customize JAWS is important for some users.
 
And there are times when JAWS works with a certain program better and where NVDA works with a specific program better. 
 
It's common to see the attitude among committed NVDA users that it is very superior and to pretty much dismiss JAWS.  that isn't a proper view.  for some, perhaps many, users, NVDA would be superior.  but there are blind people who rely on JAWS in important ways.  It's far better to have choices and I don't hope to see the demise of JAWS.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
> Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my primary screen reader since I have started using computer for the first time in year 2010.
> The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in using NVDA.
> So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been using it as my secondary screen reader!
> I’m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS specially in the area of accessibility!
> Friends, I’d like to request you to  please comment about my observation if it is right?
> Please let me know the pros and cons of my observation!
> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
> Charlsdarwin1
>
>
> Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
> At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
> You can contact me via gmail:
> inamuddin09@...
> outlook:
> inam092@...
> yahoo:
> inamuddin2010@...
> AOL:
> charlsdarwin1969@...
> Add my Skype ID:
> charlsdarwin1
> Meet me on facebook:
> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
> Follow me on my twitter ID:
> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
> Call me on my cell numbers:
> +1-631-5335683
> +92-300-2227598
> +92-334-3348409
>
>







Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

Absolutely correct.


I was stuck using Eudora Pro 7.1 forever, for it seemed to work best with JAWS.


Then I discovered NVDA and the Thunderbird email client. It's a great marriage, especially when you install the add-on that incorporates special keyboard shortcuts for reading the preview email pain.


It's like having Eudora Pro on steroids. This alone has made me a believer of NVDA.

On 4/20/2018 6:36 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,


Since many people like a pop3/IMAP local mail client and since many of same really miss Outlook Express, many use Thunderbird.  I can say categorically that for whatever reason, NVDA runs rings around JAWS in Thunderbird.  This is my personal experience as to why I use exclusively NVDA and almost never use JAWS any more.



On 4/19/2018 3:30 PM, Angela Delicata wrote:
Hi,

I removed Jaws completely from my PC and have been using nvda only since last october... I do exactly the same things as Jaws: web navigation, checking emails, using text programs et.

I can say in same occations nvda is even better than Jaws... so no need for it now.

Honestly, I may say those who speak bad of nvda is only because they do not know it enough.


Ciao

Angela from Italy



Il 19/04/2018 19:04, Inam Uddin via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my primary screen reader since I have started using computer for the first time in year 2010.
The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in using NVDA.
So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been using it as my secondary screen reader!
I’m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS specially in the area of accessibility!
Friends, I’d like to request you to  please comment about my observation if it is right?
Please let me know the pros and cons of my observation!
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@gmail.com
outlook:
inam092@outlook.com
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@yahoo.ca
AOL:
charlsdarwin1969@aol.com
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
Call me on my cell numbers:
+1-631-5335683
+92-300-2227598
+92-334-3348409





Re: Slack accessibility status?

Sam Bushman
 

How well does slack work with latest nvda and the windows desktop app?

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Kingett
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 9:30 AM
To: Slack <feedback+id1733065@...>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Slack accessibility status?

 

    Thanks for the reply! Could I have George's email address? On the web interface. It is reading and navigating. Using NVDA and FireFox, focus often gets stuck when navigating menus. Chat menus, and switching channels. I will join the group below, thank you! In FF, Could a messages header be added so that I don't accidentally skip the messages list? As for the desktop app, nothing reads, at all. Absolutely nothing, using NVDA. On windows 10. 

 

On 4/21/2018 2:09 AM, Bel (Slack) wrote:

# Please type your reply above this line #

Bel (Slack)

Apr 21, 12:09 AM PDT

Hi Robert,

Thanks for your patience whilst I checked into this further for you.

Good news on the ARIA roles front. It’s part of the work we are currently doing to improve the experience when using screen readers—which is our number one priority project. We have a project tracker for this and I've added your details so I can keep you updated.

I've popped a link to our Help Centre article on screen readers below. It covers 3 common scenarios and how they can be accomplished right now with a screen reader.
https://get.slack.help/hc/en-us/articles/360000411963-Use-a-screen-reader-with-Slack

I've spoken to our Accessibility Product Manager, George, about your feedback and he's keen to get some specifics around what’s not working for you. For example, is it reading messages, writing, interacting with messages, navigation, etc. George is also keen to learn more about what your expectation is for a 100% ideal UX for screen readers.

In the meantime, you can have direct access to us by joining the web-a11y.slack.com workspace we have set up to discuss Accessibility issues in Slack and beyond. You can join by creating an account from here: http://web-a11y.herokuapp.com/

Warmly,

-Bel


Get unlimited apps, access to all your messages, and so much more: my.slack.com/pricing?ce



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Further accessibility improvements in OE Classic 2.8

 

The below is not the hacked outlook express many people are using. I am not sure why so many people think it's actually outlook express, but anyway, the announcement is below. This is an email client that runs on Windows. It is a thunderbird alternative. No IMAP support, as far as I can tell, but at least they are really working on their accessibility! It's good they test with NVDA. More people should test with NVDA rather than JAWS anyway. I think the pro version is like $35? Not sure. Check the links below.

We have released OE Classic 2.8, both Pro and free version. If you wanted to test out the free version to learn how improved accessibility works in it, compared to 2.7 version and you wanted to try the free version, you have the chance to do so now on https://www.oeclassic.com (for free users) or https://www.oeclassic.com/user (for Pro users).

In addition to that, some users asked for OE Classic in different languages with added accessibility, namely we had a suggestion to have it in French. We now have a language selection which is the first window which opens when you start the program. These two improvements will hopefully make OE Classic more useful tool to you and others. Download is available on our website. Note that we have also worked more on improving website accessibility as well, especially the forms where you input the text such as username and password, contact form, options for registered users and similar. The fields which were previously unlabeled have now been labeled. So this too has improved for low vision or blind users.

Note that even though 2.8 has improved in accessibility in various areas which you will definitely notice especially if you last used 2.7 version, we still have some things to improve and we're not done with it entirely so we can consider it even more accessible. This particular release focused mainly on improving the readability of Options, Update window, message editor, message viewer, address book, address book properties and a few other windows listed in the readme file. So definitely try it out to examine how it will work for you.

Further attention to accessibility will be done in the 2.9 version as well which we work upon right now.

best regards,
Zvonko Tesic

---------------------------------
A perfect replacement for Outlook Express and Windows (Live) Mail:
www.oeclassic.com

OE Classic on Facebook and Twitter:
www.facebook.com/oeclassic
www.twitter.com/infobytehr

yEnc and multipart decoder for Outlook Express newsgroups at:
www.ydecode.com


Re: Windows Mail App

Alma Rodick
 

I don't think so, unfortunately.

Alma


On Apr 21, 2018, at 7:53 AM, Stephen Costigan <stephenc1@...> wrote:

Hi All,

 

Is there a way to stop the link address being read out on images that contain links.

It does not do this in Thunderbird.

 

Regards,

Stephen

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Slack accessibility status?

 

    Thanks for the reply! Could I have George's email address? On the web interface. It is reading and navigating. Using NVDA and FireFox, focus often gets stuck when navigating menus. Chat menus, and switching channels. I will join the group below, thank you! In FF, Could a messages header be added so that I don't accidentally skip the messages list? As for the desktop app, nothing reads, at all. Absolutely nothing, using NVDA. On windows 10. 


On 4/21/2018 2:09 AM, Bel (Slack) wrote:
# Please type your reply above this line #

Bel (Slack)

Apr 21, 12:09 AM PDT

Hi Robert,

Thanks for your patience whilst I checked into this further for you.

Good news on the ARIA roles front. It’s part of the work we are currently doing to improve the experience when using screen readers—which is our number one priority project. We have a project tracker for this and I've added your details so I can keep you updated.

I've popped a link to our Help Centre article on screen readers below. It covers 3 common scenarios and how they can be accomplished right now with a screen reader.
https://get.slack.help/hc/en-us/articles/360000411963-Use-a-screen-reader-with-Slack

I've spoken to our Accessibility Product Manager, George, about your feedback and he's keen to get some specifics around what’s not working for you. For example, is it reading messages, writing, interacting with messages, navigation, etc. George is also keen to learn more about what your expectation is for a 100% ideal UX for screen readers.

In the meantime, you can have direct access to us by joining the web-a11y.slack.com workspace we have set up to discuss Accessibility issues in Slack and beyond. You can join by creating an account from here: http://web-a11y.herokuapp.com/

Warmly,

-Bel


Get unlimited apps, access to all your messages, and so much more: my.slack.com/pricing?ce



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Windows Mail App

Stephen Costigan
 

Hi All,

 

Is there a way to stop the link address being read out on images that contain links.

It does not do this in Thunderbird.

 

Regards,

Stephen

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Gerardo Corripio
 

I to switched from Jaws (which I started too using in December of 98) to NVDA in January of 2018 and haven’t looked back! Though I wish NVDA would fix things up a bit to make apps like MP3 Gain (which raises the volume of MP3s) and others that work great with Jaws!Other than that, NVDA is definitely the trend for future screen readers!that 

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone 5S de Telcel

El 20/04/2018, a la(s) 7:29 p. m., Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...> escribió:

I agree with your statement.


I just switched over from using the latest build of JAWS 2018 to NVDA 2018.1.1, and I'm quite happy with my decision (Mainly a financial matter for I could no longer afford the $120+ SMA.) Been using JAWS since 1999, so you have an idea on how much money I've spent on it ;P


Took some time for me to adjust my fingers to using NVDA keyboard navigation, but once done it's very responsive, and with the installation of ETI Eloquence; sounds just as good.


The only benefit JAWS has over NVDA is the ability to create application specific scripts easily. JAWS also allowed you to re-assign classes for windows it would improperly define. Really wish NVDA allowed this option for there are several applications I use that it keeps incorrectly treating a listbox as if it was static text.


Other than that, NVDA is definitely on par with JAWS.


On 4/19/2018 3:43 PM, Gene wrote:
There are some uses for which JAWS is better.  My impression is that NVDA is either as good or better than JAWS for typical uses such as browsing, e-mail, working with audio players, and doing other things the majority of users do.  But JAWS is much more user configurable and the user who knows how to do so can make it work with many programs that aren't widely used, but that the person may want or need.  A lot of users won't have a need or wish to do so but the ability to customize JAWS is important for some users.
 
And there are times when JAWS works with a certain program better and where NVDA works with a specific program better. 
 
It's common to see the attitude among committed NVDA users that it is very superior and to pretty much dismiss JAWS.  that isn't a proper view.  for some, perhaps many, users, NVDA would be superior.  but there are blind people who rely on JAWS in important ways.  It's far better to have choices and I don't hope to see the demise of JAWS.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
> Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my primary screen reader since I have started using computer for the first time in year 2010.
> The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in using NVDA.
> So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been using it as my secondary screen reader!
> I’m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS specially in the area of accessibility!
> Friends, I’d like to request you to  please comment about my observation if it is right?
> Please let me know the pros and cons of my observation!
> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
> Charlsdarwin1
>
>
> Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
> At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
> You can contact me via gmail:
> inamuddin09@...
> outlook:
> inam092@...
> yahoo:
> inamuddin2010@...
> AOL:
> charlsdarwin1969@...
> Add my Skype ID:
> charlsdarwin1
> Meet me on facebook:
> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
> Follow me on my twitter ID:
> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
> Call me on my cell numbers:
> +1-631-5335683
> +92-300-2227598
> +92-334-3348409
>
>





Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

 

Hi,

Mouse frames: Golden Cursor is the closest equivalent.

As for the claim that it is easy to write JAWS scripts: I beg to differ. If you want to write scripts or add-ons, you need to have good programming skills; not just memorizing which file to include/import, you need to have a good grasp of what a window handle is, what a function is, how to use conditionals, loops, being up to date on API changes and so on.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 11:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

 

I don't know what the person had in mind but I think he was talking about the more or less equivalent of set files in JAWS.  They are called frames and they do roughly what set files do in Window-eyes.  I don't know if there are any technical reasons why NVDA doesn't have the ability to make such things but it is important that this be added unless there are tec hnical reasons against doing so.

 

Also, JAWS has an all setting for the screen echo that NVDA doesn't have.  This is very useful and it is more useful because JAWS allows you to use it with the skip forward and back commands while continuing to read.  I used to use the all setting a long time ago when I used a shell account and used Pine as my e-mail program on the shell account.  screen echo made it possible for me to use Pine with no modifications of anything on my part.  I would move to a new message and open it.  Then I would use the skip forward command, right shift, to skip forward in what was read until I got to what I wanted to hear.  When used with the screen echo set to all, this command and left shift, move back a line, kept reading after you moved.  I would thing such features would be very useful in NVDA.  But others who use newer and other programs would have to comment on whether this combination would be useful.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Gene

Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 11:14 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

 

I didn't know JAWS allows to easily create specific scripts.  I thought it took some programming skills just like making add ons for nvda does.  The one thing nvda needs is the ability to make something like set files as the old Window Eyes did.  This is something I did a bit.  I needed a bit of sighted help to do some things like positioning the mouse pointer exactly where I wanted it, but once this was done, all I had to do was save those positions, give the thing a name that was associated with the particular program and save it and it was done!  No programming skills needed at all.

Roger







On 4/20/2018 7:29 PM, Kenny wrote:

I agree with your statement.

 

I just switched over from using the latest build of JAWS 2018 to NVDA 2018.1.1, and I'm quite happy with my decision (Mainly a financial matter for I could no longer afford the $120+ SMA.) Been using JAWS since 1999, so you have an idea on how much money I've spent on it ;P

 

Took some time for me to adjust my fingers to using NVDA keyboard navigation, but once done it's very responsive, and with the installation of ETI Eloquence; sounds just as good.

 

The only benefit JAWS has over NVDA is the ability to create application specific scripts easily. JAWS also allowed you to re-assign classes for windows it would improperly define. Really wish NVDA allowed this option for there are several applications I use that it keeps incorrectly treating a listbox as if it was static text.

 

Other than that, NVDA is definitely on par with JAWS.

 

On 4/19/2018 3:43 PM, Gene wrote:

There are some uses for which JAWS is better.  My impression is that NVDA is either as good or better than JAWS for typical uses such as browsing, e-mail, working with audio players, and doing other things the majority of users do.  But JAWS is much more user configurable and the user who knows how to do so can make it work with many programs that aren't widely used, but that the person may want or need.  A lot of users won't have a need or wish to do so but the ability to customize JAWS is important for some users.

 

And there are times when JAWS works with a certain program better and where NVDA works with a specific program better. 

 

It's common to see the attitude among committed NVDA users that it is very superior and to pretty much dismiss JAWS.  that isn't a proper view.  for some, perhaps many, users, NVDA would be superior.  but there are blind people who rely on JAWS in important ways.  It's far better to have choices and I don't hope to see the demise of JAWS.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----
> Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my primary screen reader since I have started using computer for the first time in year 2010.
> The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in using NVDA.
> So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been using it as my secondary screen reader!
> I’m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS specially in the area of accessibility!
> Friends, I’d like to request you to  please comment about my observation if it is right?
> Please let me know the pros and cons of my observation!
> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
> Charlsdarwin1
>
>
> Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
> At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
> You can contact me via gmail:
> inamuddin09@...
> outlook:
> inam092@...
> yahoo:
> inamuddin2010@...
> AOL:
> charlsdarwin1969@...
> Add my Skype ID:
> charlsdarwin1
> Meet me on facebook:
> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
> Follow me on my twitter ID:
> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
> Call me on my cell numbers:
> +1-631-5335683
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Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Angela Delicata
 

Yes, I also use Thunderbird, but with imap account because it is much much better to handle emails like that.

I can say nvda behaves far better than Jaws with this email client.

Il 21/04/2018 10:51, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io ha scritto:
I think my issues with tbird are well known here.
1. it uses hard to remember shortcuts nothing like Outlook express
2. It has all accounts in a tree rather than able to be kept separate as with identities in Outlook Express. In my view Microsoft are not really making a like for like program with their windows 10 mail app, and if they really did  make one like OE I think many people would use it.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS


Hi Group,


Since many people like a pop3/IMAP local mail client and since many of same really miss Outlook Express, many use Thunderbird. I can say categorically that for whatever reason, NVDA runs rings around JAWS in Thunderbird. This is my personal experience as to why I use exclusively NVDA and almost never use JAWS any more.



On 4/19/2018 3:30 PM, Angela Delicata wrote:
Hi,

I removed Jaws completely from my PC and have been using nvda only since last october... I do exactly the same things as Jaws: web navigation, checking emails, using text programs et.

I can say in same occations nvda is even better than Jaws... so no need for it now.

Honestly, I may say those who speak bad of nvda is only because they do not know it enough.


Ciao

Angela from Italy



Il 19/04/2018 19:04, Inam Uddin via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my primary screen reader since I have started using computer for the first time in year 2010.
The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in using NVDA.
So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been using it as my secondary screen reader!
I’m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS specially in the area of accessibility!
Friends, I’d like to request you to please comment about my observation if it is right?
Please let me know the pros and cons of my observation!
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
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Re: How to get firefox to read just text on a website?

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Can any of these modes be used by cut and paste? I often find myself needing to grab text from a web page to paste into a ascript for the sighted readers at our Talking newspaper to read.
At present the only way seems to be to grab it all then fiddle about deleting the like this more here and sundry links out and reformatting the result. If the ability to read without the clutter exists, it would lessen the workload and annoyance factor considerably.
For the record this has become important recently due to the tendency that newsletter production has gone down the lazy mans rout of just saying the headline and click here, which I hate with a passion and so do most, but that seems to be the way the stuff is going.
Brian
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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 1:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to get firefox to read just text on a website?


Hi!
Chrome also has an add on call Just Read.
It does the same thing as the reading mode in Edge, where all the clutter is gone, and leaves just the text on the page!
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: bob jutzi
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 6:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to get firefox to read just text on a website?

Not sure about IE but Edge, Alt-D and tab to a button labeled Enter
Reading View. Mainly available on sites featuring articles.


On 4/20/2018 5:08 PM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
How do we get to reader mode for other browsers?


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Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 4:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to get firefox to read just text on a website?

If it's the Reader Mode you want, it's under the View menu.

On 4/20/2018 5:01 PM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi all, as the subject says I remember hearing that firefox can skip
links and all the crap and just read the text of say a news story. can
someone tell me how to do this? thanks in advance.









Re: Microsoft Project and Microsoft Visio with NVDA

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I personally have never heard of either of these.
What do they do exactly other than, I assume keep a record of how a project is going.

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Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 2:57 PM
Subject: [nvda] Microsoft Project and Microsoft Visio with NVDA


Hi,

I'm going to need the above software in my role soon (which elements of the software I'm required to use are as yet unclear).

Do you happen to know how accessible both Microsoft Project and Visio are with NVDA?

Also, are there any useful hints and tips or websites I could access to ensure I'm using the software as effectively as possible?

Regards,

Charlie

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Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I think my issues with tbird are well known here.
1. it uses hard to remember shortcuts nothing like Outlook express
2. It has all accounts in a tree rather than able to be kept separate as with identities in Outlook Express. In my view Microsoft are not really making a like for like program with their windows 10 mail app, and if they really did make one like OE I think many people would use it.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS


Hi Group,


Since many people like a pop3/IMAP local mail client and since many of same really miss Outlook Express, many use Thunderbird. I can say categorically that for whatever reason, NVDA runs rings around JAWS in Thunderbird. This is my personal experience as to why I use exclusively NVDA and almost never use JAWS any more.



On 4/19/2018 3:30 PM, Angela Delicata wrote:
Hi,

I removed Jaws completely from my PC and have been using nvda only since last october... I do exactly the same things as Jaws: web navigation, checking emails, using text programs et.

I can say in same occations nvda is even better than Jaws... so no need for it now.

Honestly, I may say those who speak bad of nvda is only because they do not know it enough.


Ciao

Angela from Italy



Il 19/04/2018 19:04, Inam Uddin via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my primary screen reader since I have started using computer for the first time in year 2010.
The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in using NVDA.
So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been using it as my secondary screen reader!
I’m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS specially in the area of accessibility!
Friends, I’d like to request you to please comment about my observation if it is right?
Please let me know the pros and cons of my observation!
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@gmail.com
outlook:
inam092@outlook.com
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@yahoo.ca
AOL:
charlsdarwin1969@aol.com
Add my Skype ID:
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Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Alexander Masic
 

My opinion is if you are using particulary newer aplication and OS. and also only speach, NVDA is good as well as Jaws. There may be better support for some unushual aplications for some type of works in Jaws. And also Jaws is still far better when it comes to Braille. When we talking about braille, there is still mutch leftt for NV-access to improve. Specially now when cheap prailledisplays starts to show up.      


Den 2018-04-21 kl. 06:26, skrev Gene:

I don't know what the person had in mind but I think he was talking about the more or less equivalent of set files in JAWS.  They are called frames and they do roughly what set files do in Window-eyes.  I don't know if there are any technical reasons why NVDA doesn't have the ability to make such things but it is important that this be added unless there are tec hnical reasons against doing so.
 
Also, JAWS has an all setting for the screen echo that NVDA doesn't have.  This is very useful and it is more useful because JAWS allows you to use it with the skip forward and back commands while continuing to read.  I used to use the all setting a long time ago when I used a shell account and used Pine as my e-mail program on the shell account.  screen echo made it possible for me to use Pine with no modifications of anything on my part.  I would move to a new message and open it.  Then I would use the skip forward command, right shift, to skip forward in what was read until I got to what I wanted to hear.  When used with the screen echo set to all, this command and left shift, move back a line, kept reading after you moved.  I would thing such features would be very useful in NVDA.  But others who use newer and other programs would have to comment on whether this combination would be useful.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Gene
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 11:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

I didn't know JAWS allows to easily create specific scripts.  I thought it took some programming skills just like making add ons for nvda does.  The one thing nvda needs is the ability to make something like set files as the old Window Eyes did.  This is something I did a bit.  I needed a bit of sighted help to do some things like positioning the mouse pointer exactly where I wanted it, but once this was done, all I had to do was save those positions, give the thing a name that was associated with the particular program and save it and it was done!  No programming skills needed at all.

Roger







On 4/20/2018 7:29 PM, Kenny wrote:

I agree with your statement.


I just switched over from using the latest build of JAWS 2018 to NVDA 2018.1.1, and I'm quite happy with my decision (Mainly a financial matter for I could no longer afford the $120+ SMA.) Been using JAWS since 1999, so you have an idea on how much money I've spent on it ;P


Took some time for me to adjust my fingers to using NVDA keyboard navigation, but once done it's very responsive, and with the installation of ETI Eloquence; sounds just as good.


The only benefit JAWS has over NVDA is the ability to create application specific scripts easily. JAWS also allowed you to re-assign classes for windows it would improperly define. Really wish NVDA allowed this option for there are several applications I use that it keeps incorrectly treating a listbox as if it was static text.


Other than that, NVDA is definitely on par with JAWS.


On 4/19/2018 3:43 PM, Gene wrote:
There are some uses for which JAWS is better.  My impression is that NVDA is either as good or better than JAWS for typical uses such as browsing, e-mail, working with audio players, and doing other things the majority of users do.  But JAWS is much more user configurable and the user who knows how to do so can make it work with many programs that aren't widely used, but that the person may want or need.  A lot of users won't have a need or wish to do so but the ability to customize JAWS is important for some users.
 
And there are times when JAWS works with a certain program better and where NVDA works with a specific program better. 
 
It's common to see the attitude among committed NVDA users that it is very superior and to pretty much dismiss JAWS.  that isn't a proper view.  for some, perhaps many, users, NVDA would be superior.  but there are blind people who rely on JAWS in important ways.  It's far better to have choices and I don't hope to see the demise of JAWS.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
> Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my primary screen reader since I have started using computer for the first time in year 2010.
> The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in using NVDA.
> So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been using it as my secondary screen reader!
> I’m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS specially in the area of accessibility!
> Friends, I’d like to request you to  please comment about my observation if it is right?
> Please let me know the pros and cons of my observation!
> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
> Charlsdarwin1
>
>
> Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
> At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
> You can contact me via gmail:
> inamuddin09@...
> outlook:
> inam092@...
> yahoo:
> inamuddin2010@...
> AOL:
> charlsdarwin1969@...
> Add my Skype ID:
> charlsdarwin1
> Meet me on facebook:
> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
> Follow me on my twitter ID:
> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
> Call me on my cell numbers:
> +1-631-5335683
> +92-300-2227598
> +92-334-3348409
>
>







Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Gene
 

I don't know what the person had in mind but I think he was talking about the more or less equivalent of set files in JAWS.  They are called frames and they do roughly what set files do in Window-eyes.  I don't know if there are any technical reasons why NVDA doesn't have the ability to make such things but it is important that this be added unless there are tec hnical reasons against doing so.
 
Also, JAWS has an all setting for the screen echo that NVDA doesn't have.  This is very useful and it is more useful because JAWS allows you to use it with the skip forward and back commands while continuing to read.  I used to use the all setting a long time ago when I used a shell account and used Pine as my e-mail program on the shell account.  screen echo made it possible for me to use Pine with no modifications of anything on my part.  I would move to a new message and open it.  Then I would use the skip forward command, right shift, to skip forward in what was read until I got to what I wanted to hear.  When used with the screen echo set to all, this command and left shift, move back a line, kept reading after you moved.  I would thing such features would be very useful in NVDA.  But others who use newer and other programs would have to comment on whether this combination would be useful.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Gene
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 11:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

I didn't know JAWS allows to easily create specific scripts.  I thought it took some programming skills just like making add ons for nvda does.  The one thing nvda needs is the ability to make something like set files as the old Window Eyes did.  This is something I did a bit.  I needed a bit of sighted help to do some things like positioning the mouse pointer exactly where I wanted it, but once this was done, all I had to do was save those positions, give the thing a name that was associated with the particular program and save it and it was done!  No programming skills needed at all.

Roger







On 4/20/2018 7:29 PM, Kenny wrote:

I agree with your statement.


I just switched over from using the latest build of JAWS 2018 to NVDA 2018.1.1, and I'm quite happy with my decision (Mainly a financial matter for I could no longer afford the $120+ SMA.) Been using JAWS since 1999, so you have an idea on how much money I've spent on it ;P


Took some time for me to adjust my fingers to using NVDA keyboard navigation, but once done it's very responsive, and with the installation of ETI Eloquence; sounds just as good.


The only benefit JAWS has over NVDA is the ability to create application specific scripts easily. JAWS also allowed you to re-assign classes for windows it would improperly define. Really wish NVDA allowed this option for there are several applications I use that it keeps incorrectly treating a listbox as if it was static text.


Other than that, NVDA is definitely on par with JAWS.


On 4/19/2018 3:43 PM, Gene wrote:
There are some uses for which JAWS is better.  My impression is that NVDA is either as good or better than JAWS for typical uses such as browsing, e-mail, working with audio players, and doing other things the majority of users do.  But JAWS is much more user configurable and the user who knows how to do so can make it work with many programs that aren't widely used, but that the person may want or need.  A lot of users won't have a need or wish to do so but the ability to customize JAWS is important for some users.
 
And there are times when JAWS works with a certain program better and where NVDA works with a specific program better. 
 
It's common to see the attitude among committed NVDA users that it is very superior and to pretty much dismiss JAWS.  that isn't a proper view.  for some, perhaps many, users, NVDA would be superior.  but there are blind people who rely on JAWS in important ways.  It's far better to have choices and I don't hope to see the demise of JAWS.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
> Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my primary screen reader since I have started using computer for the first time in year 2010.
> The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in using NVDA.
> So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been using it as my secondary screen reader!
> I’m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS specially in the area of accessibility!
> Friends, I’d like to request you to  please comment about my observation if it is right?
> Please let me know the pros and cons of my observation!
> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
> Charlsdarwin1
>
>
> Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
> At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
> You can contact me via gmail:
> inamuddin09@...
> outlook:
> inam092@...
> yahoo:
> inamuddin2010@...
> AOL:
> charlsdarwin1969@...
> Add my Skype ID:
> charlsdarwin1
> Meet me on facebook:
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> Follow me on my twitter ID:
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> Call me on my cell numbers:
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> +92-300-2227598
> +92-334-3348409
>
>






Re: NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Roger Stewart
 

I didn't know JAWS allows to easily create specific scripts.  I thought it took some programming skills just like making add ons for nvda does.  The one thing nvda needs is the ability to make something like set files as the old Window Eyes did.  This is something I did a bit.  I needed a bit of sighted help to do some things like positioning the mouse pointer exactly where I wanted it, but once this was done, all I had to do was save those positions, give the thing a name that was associated with the particular program and save it and it was done!  No programming skills needed at all.

Roger







On 4/20/2018 7:29 PM, Kenny wrote:

I agree with your statement.


I just switched over from using the latest build of JAWS 2018 to NVDA 2018.1.1, and I'm quite happy with my decision (Mainly a financial matter for I could no longer afford the $120+ SMA.) Been using JAWS since 1999, so you have an idea on how much money I've spent on it ;P


Took some time for me to adjust my fingers to using NVDA keyboard navigation, but once done it's very responsive, and with the installation of ETI Eloquence; sounds just as good.


The only benefit JAWS has over NVDA is the ability to create application specific scripts easily. JAWS also allowed you to re-assign classes for windows it would improperly define. Really wish NVDA allowed this option for there are several applications I use that it keeps incorrectly treating a listbox as if it was static text.


Other than that, NVDA is definitely on par with JAWS.


On 4/19/2018 3:43 PM, Gene wrote:
There are some uses for which JAWS is better.  My impression is that NVDA is either as good or better than JAWS for typical uses such as browsing, e-mail, working with audio players, and doing other things the majority of users do.  But JAWS is much more user configurable and the user who knows how to do so can make it work with many programs that aren't widely used, but that the person may want or need.  A lot of users won't have a need or wish to do so but the ability to customize JAWS is important for some users.
 
And there are times when JAWS works with a certain program better and where NVDA works with a specific program better. 
 
It's common to see the attitude among committed NVDA users that it is very superior and to pretty much dismiss JAWS.  that isn't a proper view.  for some, perhaps many, users, NVDA would be superior.  but there are blind people who rely on JAWS in important ways.  It's far better to have choices and I don't hope to see the demise of JAWS.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
> Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my primary screen reader since I have started using computer for the first time in year 2010.
> The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in using NVDA.
> So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been using it as my secondary screen reader!
> I’m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS specially in the area of accessibility!
> Friends, I’d like to request you to  please comment about my observation if it is right?
> Please let me know the pros and cons of my observation!
> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
> Charlsdarwin1
>
>
> Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
> At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
> You can contact me via gmail:
> inamuddin09@...
> outlook:
> inam092@...
> yahoo:
> inamuddin2010@...
> AOL:
> charlsdarwin1969@...
> Add my Skype ID:
> charlsdarwin1
> Meet me on facebook:
> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
> Follow me on my twitter ID:
> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
> Call me on my cell numbers:
> +1-631-5335683
> +92-300-2227598
> +92-334-3348409
>
>






Re: How to get firefox to read just text on a website?

 

Also, you can enter reader view in Firefox without installing any extensions by pressing F9 on the page of the article you want to read. I'm using Firefox Nightly, but I'm pretty sure this works on the stable version as well.

On 4/20/2018 8:54 PM, Annette Moore wrote:
the shortcut is alt+control+r.


On 4/20/2018 4:06 PM, bob jutzi wrote:
If it's the Reader Mode you want, it's under the View menu.

On 4/20/2018 5:01 PM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi all,   as the subject says I remember hearing that firefox can skip links and all the crap and just read the text of say a news story.   can someone tell me how to do this? thanks in advance.







Re: How to get firefox to read just text on a website?

Annette Moore
 

the shortcut is alt+control+r.

On 4/20/2018 4:06 PM, bob jutzi wrote:
If it's the Reader Mode you want, it's under the View menu.

On 4/20/2018 5:01 PM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi all,   as the subject says I remember hearing that firefox can skip links and all the crap and just read the text of say a news story.   can someone tell me how to do this? thanks in advance.