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Re: Using Win10's Mail App
Rosemarie Chavarria
Hi, Pauline,
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David Moore has a great tutorial on how to use the mail app. It also covers the calendar and the people app. Hope this helps. Rosemarie
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pauline Smith Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 5:44 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Using Win10's Mail App Good Evening, Are any instructions for using Win10's Mail app with NVDA? Thanks and an early wish for a happy new year. Pauline
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Using Win10's Mail App
Pauline Smith
Good Evening,
Are any instructions for using Win10's Mail app with NVDA? Thanks and an early wish for a happy new year. Pauline
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Re: outlook contacts question
Gary Metzler
Hi Anthony,
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I am using windows 10 1709. I have 164 contacts in my list. I get about 5 contacts before nvda stops speaking. It doesn't crash.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Antony Stone Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 7:53 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook contacts question Firstly, what is "the latest windows"? When you say "it only goes so far", how far does it go? Are you saying it reads 5 entries, 50 entries, 500 entries...? Secondly, how many contacts do you have in the list? Finally, what do you do to get NVDA speaking again? Is it sufficient to switch to another application, or does it need restarting, or do you need to close Outlook, or what? Antony. On Saturday 30 December 2017 at 01:36:48, Gary Metzler wrote: Hi All,nvda. When I go into my contacts list and I arrow down it only goes so far-- She did not swoon, but she did get a look on her face that said 'This conversation is over', which Jack took as a sign he was going in the right direction. - Neal Stephenson, Quicksilver Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me.
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Re: outlook contacts question
Antony Stone
Firstly, what is "the latest windows"?
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When you say "it only goes so far", how far does it go? Are you saying it reads 5 entries, 50 entries, 500 entries...? Secondly, how many contacts do you have in the list? Finally, what do you do to get NVDA speaking again? Is it sufficient to switch to another application, or does it need restarting, or do you need to close Outlook, or what? Antony.
On Saturday 30 December 2017 at 01:36:48, Gary Metzler wrote:
Hi All, --
She did not swoon, but she did get a look on her face that said 'This conversation is over', which Jack took as a sign he was going in the right direction. - Neal Stephenson, Quicksilver Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me.
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outlook contacts question
Gary Metzler
Hi All,
I just started using outlook 2016. I am using the latest windows and nvda. When I go into my contacts list and I arrow down it only goes so far and nvda doesn’t speak. Is this normal behavior? Can this be fixed? Thanks for any help.
Regards, Gary kn4ox
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Re: Another Wording Question
Marshall handheld Flax
Glad my suggestions were useful. And I'm even more glad that NVDA fits into everyone's budget! Marshall
On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 4:14 PM, <tonea.ctr.morrow@...> wrote:
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Re: nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program
David Griffith
Many thanks afor this. I will give it a go My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
From: Edhoari Setiyoso
Sent: 29 December 2017 14:18 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program
Hi David, You're right that we need command prompt to execute it.
If you need help, you may contact me skype : edhoari.s email : edhoari.s@...
On 29-Dec-17 5:08 PM, David Griffith wrote:
-- Best Regards Edhoari Setiyoso edhoari <dot> s [at] gmail <dot> com
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Re: Another Wording Question
tonea.ctr.morrow@...
Ohh! That’s wonderful information! I work in a cubicle area. I’ve already had one person arrange to move to be seated somewhere else because my work generates too much noise (I have to listen to audio recordings and type out records). I use a headset, but the option to turn the audio off and watch a scrolling text feed would be great for me. I can really see how the focus highlight would be helpful too.
Bureaucracy moves at its own pace. No one is opposed to my having a screen reader. That should be clear. However, it first has to be on the approved software list (still waiting on a response) and then within the budget.
Also, if they are going to give it to one, then how many other people need it as well? Could the same result be obtained for more people with a different package? For example, some software packages offer to scan your work and check for 508 compliance. Which one would be fiscally more responsible: software that does the work for your people or software that allows you to think for yourself? So, no one is opposed to my using a screen reader, they just haven’t decided yet on how to address 508 for everyone’s work.
It is easy to say that I should have one package and someone else should have another, but that creates nightmares for IT departments. They need everyone to have the same software and to have as little software as possible. Otherwise, the support requirements get excessive at an exponential rate.
Thus, my letters here will help me support why I need a screen-reading software package. And, until Bureaucracy can decide on what the whole needs, they won’t look at what I need. The new rules don’t go into effect until January 18th. Give the system time. My questions have already started the conversation. I just have to wait for people to think about it.
Tonea
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marshall handheld Flax Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 12:55 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Another Wording Question
I'd like to second Joseph's advice to actually install NVDA and see how it presents your application. But in addition, as a sighted user you will probably want to do two things:
1. Install the "Focus Highlight" plugin -- it makes it *far* easier to visually see what NVDA is describing at any given point in time; and 2. Enable the "Speech Viewer" feature (under Tools in the NVDA menu) -- it shows everything going to the speech synthesizer, but it just appears in a scrolling window -- quite useful!
Marshall
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Re: Another Wording Question
tonea.ctr.morrow@...
This is a pop-up dialog generated by the browser, in this case Internet Explorer. It is the browser the software guarantees will work so it is the interface described in the software’s help section. I’m not aware of any way to tell IE how to code its self-generated pop-up.
Thank you for understanding and confirming that different screen readers will read it differently. I wasn’t sure until I asked.
Tonea Morrow
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 12:37 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Another Wording Question
Joseph lee's message raises a question I've wondered about a bit now and then. If it can gbe described to the layman without unreasonable effort, I've wondered why a screen-reader might read a control one way and another screen-reader read it with different wording. Until perhaps a year ago, I had assumed that controls all had readable text and that screen-readers would read them all the same, but an earlier comment from Joseph and a variation I observed on a button caused me to realize that screen-readers don't necessarily speak the same things. So how do screen-readers know how to read controls and why are there differences?
For example, on the Send Space home page, the button that opens the select file to upload dialog is read as "browse". Chrome reads it as something like "choose file". So evidently, this button is not labeled with text but is recognized as a category or function control. I'm not sure if I'm expressing it as clearly as I might but I think it's understandable. In the specific help page being asked about, can these controls be labeled with text or alt text so they will all be read the same regardless of screen-reader? Gene
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Re: NVDA and Chrome and indeed.com
Dan Beaver
The page doesn't seem blank but all NVDA will read is the search banner. At least that is all the words it reads.
I can't tab away from it or move away using any other keys.
My wife says the page is there but I can't get to it.
Dan Beaver
On 12/29/2017 1:48 PM, Gene wrote:
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Re: Another Wording Question
Gene
I just checked and Chrome reads the button with the
phrase "choose files". Your explanation makes more sense than my guess and
its simpler. I had wondered if there were certain generic buttons that
meant certain things and that screen-readers might express the meanings
differently. But, as I said, your explanation makes more
sense.
Gene
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From: Antony Stone
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Another Wording Question the page. Assuming you meant that Chrome reads the button as "Upload file", I think I can see the reason why - the HTML source for this button contains the actual text (shown on the screen) as "Browse" but the HTML "input" tag contains the ID string "upload_file": <a class="button"> <input type="file" id="upload_file" name="upload_file[]" class="file" size="1" multiple /> <button class="sbtn" onclick="$('#upload_file').trigger('click');return false">Browse</button> </a> I suspect this is why different browsers and/or screenreader combinations can give different results - they're paying attention to different parts of the underlying HTML. Antony. On Friday 29 December 2017 at 19:36:39, Gene wrote: > Joseph lee's message raises a question I've wondered about a bit now and > then. If it can gbe described to the layman without unreasonable effort, > I've wondered why a screen-reader might read a control one way and another > screen-reader read it with different wording. Until perhaps a year ago, I > had assumed that controls all had readable text and that screen-readers > would read them all the same, but an earlier comment from Joseph and a > variation I observed on a button caused me to realize that screen-readers > don't necessarily speak the same things. So how do screen-readers know > how to read controls and why are there differences? > > For example, on the Send Space home page, the button that opens the select > file to upload dialog is read as "browse". Chrome reads it as something > like "choose file". So evidently, this button is not labeled with text > but is recognized as a category or function control. I'm not sure if I'm > expressing it as clearly as I might but I think it's understandable. > > In the specific help page being asked about, can these controls be labeled > with text or alt text so they will all be read the same regardless of > screen-reader? > > Gene > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gene > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 12:22 PM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] Another Wording Question > > > I don't think there is exact wording that you need to worry about. What > you wrote is very understandable and whether the item would say close this > window or just close, I think your explanation makes any reasonable > working of the actual control fine. for consistency, you might want to > have the control say close this window since that's what you write in the > description but as far as a prescribed wording, I doubt there is any. > > Gene > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: tonea.ctr.morrow@... > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 10:14 AM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: [nvda] Another Wording Question > > > I am creating a text version of a help page. I need to describe in text a > common pop-up window that the windows operating system displays. It would > be shown as a picture to sighted users. To describe it, I have written: > > > > When the file is made, you will be asked whether to open it or save it. A > pop-up window will appear to ask "Do you want to open or save filename > from blah.faa.gov?" followed by the buttons Open, Save, Cancel, and Close > this Window. > > > > As a sighted user, I see an X on the pop-up window and know that it means > "Close this Window". But, how does it read to you? Is it called "Close > this Window" or what is it called by the screen reader? > > > > Likewise, the Save button is really a drop-down menu that is defaulted to > Save. How does it call out the menu to you? I want to use the right words > in my description. > > > > Thanks and sorry for the bother, > > > > Tonea -- Bill Gates has personally assured the Spanish Academy that he will never allow the upside-down question mark to disappear from Microsoft word-processing programs, which must be reassuring for millions of Spanish-speaking people, though just a piddling afterthought as far as he's concerned. - Lynne Truss, "Eats, Shoots and Leaves" Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me.
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Re: Another Wording Question
Marshall handheld Flax
I'd like to second Joseph's advice to actually install NVDA and see how it presents your application. But in addition, as a sighted user you will probably want to do two things: 1. Install the "Focus Highlight" plugin -- it makes it *far* easier to visually see what NVDA is describing at any given point in time; and 2. Enable the "Speech Viewer" feature (under Tools in the NVDA menu) -- it shows everything going to the speech synthesizer, but it just appears in a scrolling window -- quite useful! Marshall
On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 11:19 AM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
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Re: NVDA and Chrome and indeed.com
Gene
What happens when you use Chrome? Is there
anything readable or does the page appear blank?
Gene
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From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Chrome and indeed.com Yes, Firefox works fine, it is just when using Chrome. Thanks. Dan Beaver On 12/29/2017 1:17 PM, JM Casey wrote:
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Re: Another Wording Question
Antony Stone
I just went to https://www.sendspace.com/ and looked at the HTML source for
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the page. Assuming you meant that Chrome reads the button as "Upload file", I think I can see the reason why - the HTML source for this button contains the actual text (shown on the screen) as "Browse" but the HTML "input" tag contains the ID string "upload_file": <a class="button"> <input type="file" id="upload_file" name="upload_file[]" class="file" size="1" multiple /> <button class="sbtn" onclick="$('#upload_file').trigger('click');return false">Browse</button> </a> I suspect this is why different browsers and/or screenreader combinations can give different results - they're paying attention to different parts of the underlying HTML. Antony.
On Friday 29 December 2017 at 19:36:39, Gene wrote:
Joseph lee's message raises a question I've wondered about a bit now and --
Bill Gates has personally assured the Spanish Academy that he will never allow the upside-down question mark to disappear from Microsoft word-processing programs, which must be reassuring for millions of Spanish-speaking people, though just a piddling afterthought as far as he's concerned. - Lynne Truss, "Eats, Shoots and Leaves" Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me.
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Re: Another Wording Question
Gene
Joseph lee's message raises a question I've
wondered about a bit now and then. If it can gbe described to the layman
without unreasonable effort, I've wondered why a screen-reader might read a
control one way and another screen-reader read it with different wording.
Until perhaps a year ago, I had assumed that controls all had readable text and
that screen-readers would read them all the same, but an earlier comment from
Joseph and a variation I observed on a button caused me to realize that
screen-readers don't necessarily speak the same things. So how do
screen-readers know how to read controls and why are there differences?
For example, on the Send Space home page, the
button that opens the select file to upload dialog is read as "browse".
Chrome reads it as something like "choose file". So evidently, this button
is not labeled with text but is recognized as a category or function
control. I'm not sure if I'm expressing it as clearly as I might but I
think it's understandable.
In the specific help page being asked about, can
these controls be labeled with text or alt text so they will all be read the
same regardless of screen-reader?
Gene
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From: Gene
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Another Wording Question I don't think there is exact wording that you need
to worry about. What you wrote is very understandable and whether the item
would say close this window or just close, I think your explanation makes any
reasonable working of the actual control fine. for consistency, you might
want to have the control say close this window since that's what you write in
the description but as far as a prescribed wording, I doubt there is
any.
Gene
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From: tonea.ctr.morrow@...
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 10:14 AM
Subject: [nvda] Another Wording Question I am creating a text version of a help page. I need to describe in text a common pop-up window that the windows operating system displays. It would be shown as a picture to sighted users. To describe it, I have written:
When the file is made, you will be asked whether to open it or save it. A pop-up window will appear to ask "Do you want to open or save filename from blah.faa.gov?" followed by the buttons Open, Save, Cancel, and Close this Window.
As a sighted user, I see an X on the pop-up window and know that it means “Close this Window”. But, how does it read to you? Is it called “Close this Window” or what is it called by the screen reader?
Likewise, the Save button is really a drop-down menu that is defaulted to Save. How does it call out the menu to you? I want to use the right words in my description.
Thanks and sorry for the bother,
Tonea
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Re: NVDA and Chrome and indeed.com
Dan Beaver
Yes, Firefox works fine, it is just when using Chrome.
Thanks.
Dan Beaver
On 12/29/2017 1:17 PM, JM Casey wrote:
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Re: Another Wording Question
Gene
I don't think there is exact wording that you need
to worry about. What you wrote is very understandable and whether the item
would say close this window or just close, I think your explanation makes any
reasonable working of the actual control fine. for consistency, you might
want to have the control say close this window since that's what you write in
the description but as far as a prescribed wording, I doubt there is
any.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: tonea.ctr.morrow@...
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 10:14 AM
Subject: [nvda] Another Wording Question I am creating a text version of a help page. I need to describe in text a common pop-up window that the windows operating system displays. It would be shown as a picture to sighted users. To describe it, I have written:
When the file is made, you will be asked whether to open it or save it. A pop-up window will appear to ask "Do you want to open or save filename from blah.faa.gov?" followed by the buttons Open, Save, Cancel, and Close this Window.
As a sighted user, I see an X on the pop-up window and know that it means “Close this Window”. But, how does it read to you? Is it called “Close this Window” or what is it called by the screen reader?
Likewise, the Save button is really a drop-down menu that is defaulted to Save. How does it call out the menu to you? I want to use the right words in my description.
Thanks and sorry for the bother,
Tonea
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Re: NVDA and Chrome and indeed.com
JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
Hm. I use the site with Firefox with no problems, or at least I did until recently (haven’t visited in a few weeks). Maybe I’ll give chrome a shot and see what happens.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: December 29, 2017 11:45 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Chrome and indeed.com
Hi,
When I use the latest stable NVDA and the latest Chrome and go to the indeed.com site it has problems. It seems that NVDA is getting hung up in some kind of banner that shows up and I can't seem to get out of it and go to the main part of the page.
I can't tell if this is an NVDA issue or a Chrome issue. No warnings or errors are showing up in the NVDA log.
Can someone else try the site and see if you have the same problem?
Dan Beaver
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Re: nvda with a youtube to mp3 converter program
Big companies fight.
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It would be interesting who wins or not.
On 30/12/2017 5:39 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Since the current war between Amazon and google broke out it seems that the idea is to stop Amazon tablets viewing Youtube, but now Amazon has a version of Firrefox it can use to get around it. Whether any of these stupid things are affecting the system who knows.
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NVDA and Chrome and indeed.com
Dan Beaver
Hi,
When I use the latest stable NVDA and the latest Chrome and go to the indeed.com site it has problems. It seems that NVDA is getting hung up in some kind of banner that shows up and I can't seem to get out of it and go to the main part of the page.
I can't tell if this is an NVDA issue or a Chrome issue. No
warnings or errors are showing up in the NVDA log.
Can someone else try the site and see if you have the same problem?
Dan Beaver
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