----- Original Message -----

From: Dr. arvind singh brar

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 7:46 PM

Subject: [nvda] Sleep mode resolved

Hello friends,

This is to inform all that i finally got the sleep issue fixed,

I just made a new keyboard command from

Nvda shift z to nvda control a

So now, pressing nvda control a will put nvda to sleep for a specific app/software

And Thank you so much to all who helped

I figure there may be a keyboard hardware issue blocking me from executing the command,

Cheers,

This message is transmitted on 100% recycled electrons.

Homepage; 

http://tip.simpl.com/

On Dec 23, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,
Thanks, I knew it was part of a 2013 release. Skim reading mode and examples are covered in my tutorial (the 2015 edition, that is).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
mk360
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 3:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed

2013.3.

El 23/12/2017 a las 20:29, Joseph Lee escribió:
Hi,
Hmmm, it is a recent addition (not long ago I believe). I think not a lot of people know that NVDA does have alternate say all like what JAWS has now, and I gave numerous demos in the past.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rui Fontes
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 3:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed

Sorry!
Never tested that way!

It is a very good feature not communicated to the users!

Rui


Às 23:21 de 23/12/2017, Gene escreveu:

I found the setting. I almost never do anything in that dialog and
I didn't know about it. You don't use left and right arrow, you use
up and down arrow, the same keys you would use normally to move up
and down a line.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Rui Fontes <mailto:rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
*Sent:* Saturday, December 23, 2017 5:16 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed

Joseph, I think she was refering to the possibility of pressing
LeftArrow or RightArrow to go back or forward one line, phrase or
paragraph during continuous reading...Unfortunately that is not yet
possible in NVDA...

Rui
Às 23:01 de 23/12/2017, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,

One of them is already here. In fact, you’ll find it in NVDA’s

keyboard > settings dialog.

Cheers,

Joseph

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of > *Mary Otten > *Sent:*
Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:58 PM > *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm
dissappointed > > I really agree with you about the inability to
move backwards or > forwards a line at a time when continuous
reading is invoked. I really > really miss that feature a lot
coming from window eyes as I have.

Mary

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 23, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com

<mailto:gsasner@ripco.com> > <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>> wrote:

You can't label graphics, you can't create frames and there is

no > adjustment of the screen echo. There is also no way to skip
baqck > and forward by line when the screen echo is set to all or
when using > read to end and have speech continue. If these
abilities were > present, as far as I know, that would make NVDA as
user configurable > as JAWS and Window-eyes. These are important lacks in NVDA.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Adriani Botez <mailto:adriani.botez@gmail.com> > >

*Sent:*Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:34 PM > >
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > >
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed > > This is not correct.
NVDA is well adjustable, even much easier than > jaws.

Von meinem iPhone gesendet


Am 23.12.2017 um 03:47 schrieb Gene <gsasner@ripco.com

<mailto:gsasner@ripco.com> > <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>>:

You can't do what I could do when I used Pine with a shell
account a long time ago. I didn't need to create any
frames

or > scripts. All I had to do was set the screen echo of
JAWS to > all, open a message, and then use the jaws skip
line wile > reading feature, right shift, to very quickly
jump to the start > of the message body. Even if NVDA reads
such material when it > appears on screen, you either listen
to everything or nothing > and use the tedious read by line
screen review option. Hardly a > convenient or reasonable way to go through thirty e-mails.

Like it or not, NVDA isn't user definable. You can't label
graphics and you can't create frames. These are serious >

deficiencies even if many of us don't need such options.

And you can't set the screen echo to all and then do what I

did, > as I described. This may be an important ability for some users.

Gene

----- Original Message ----- > >

*From:*coffeekingms@hotmail.com <mailto:coffeekingms@hotmail.com> >

*Sent:*Friday, December 22, 2017 7:16 PM > >

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > >
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed > > Hi > >
I concur. I firmly believe that NVDA can do most, if not all, >
the things more expensive programs can do. With some very rare >
exceptions. There are still some apps that require jfw with >
specific scripts to be usable, but as time goes on those apps >
will dwindle until there are none left. But for 99 percent of >
people, NVDA can work for them, either alone or in combination >
with narrator, which has gotten quite good. I don’t really set >
much store by such presentations, as the few I’ve bothered to >
listen to gloss over the free options as if they’re not there, >
are not worth mentioning or aren’t good enough. This applies to >
NVDA as well as open source operating systems like Linux. I have >
not listened to the presentation people are talking about, so I >
don’t want to ruffle any feathers, but as a rule I don’t listen >
to them. They tend to unilaterally insist that only the paid > apps
are worth using. Except for the NVDA podcasts. Those are > great,
although I don’t follow those either. I’m just a user. I > use NVDA
on a daily basis and have found very little that it > can’t do. If
it can’t navigate an app by the usual methods, tab, > shift tab,
arrows, then it can by either touch, if you have a > touch screen
or object navigation.Even when I was using Linux > full time I
would keep up with NVDA’s progress, and NVDA is what > eventually
brought me back to using windows again.

Thanks

Kendell Clark

Sent from Mail

<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>;

for Windows 10

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*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >

<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> on behalf of > Don H
<lmddh50@adams.net <mailto:lmddh50@adams.net>
<mailto:lmddh50@adams.net>> > *Sent:* Friday, December 22, 2017
6:18:54 PM > *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed > > I think that
NVDA is just as good or better than any other screen > reader. I
think the issue for businesses is the fact that NVDA >
is open > source thus in their minds less secure.

On Dec 23, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,
Thanks, I knew it was part of a 2013 release. Skim reading mode and examples are covered in my tutorial (the 2015 edition, that is).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of mk360
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 3:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed

2013.3.

El 23/12/2017 a las 20:29, Joseph Lee escribió:
Hi,
Hmmm, it is a recent addition (not long ago I believe). I think not a lot of people know that NVDA does have alternate say all like what JAWS has now, and I gave numerous demos in the past.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rui Fontes
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 3:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed

Sorry!
Never tested that way!

It is a very good feature not communicated to the users!

Rui


Às 23:21 de 23/12/2017, Gene escreveu:

I found the setting. I almost never do anything in that dialog and I
didn't know about it. You don't use left and right arrow, you use up
and down arrow, the same keys you would use normally to move up and
down a line.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Rui Fontes <mailto:rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
*Sent:* Saturday, December 23, 2017 5:16 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed

Joseph, I think she was refering to the possibility of pressing
LeftArrow or RightArrow to go back or forward one line, phrase or
paragraph during continuous reading...Unfortunately that is not yet
possible in NVDA...

Rui
Às 23:01 de 23/12/2017, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,

One of them is already here. In fact, you’ll find it in NVDA’s

keyboard > settings dialog.

Cheers,

Joseph

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of > *Mary Otten > *Sent:*
Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:58 PM > *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm
dissappointed > > I really agree with you about the inability to
move backwards or > forwards a line at a time when continuous
reading is invoked. I really > really miss that feature a lot coming
from window eyes as I have.

Mary

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 23, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com

<mailto:gsasner@ripco.com> > <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>> wrote:

You can't label graphics, you can't create frames and there is

no > adjustment of the screen echo. There is also no way to skip
baqck > and forward by line when the screen echo is set to all or
when using > read to end and have speech continue. If these
abilities were > present, as far as I know, that would make NVDA as
user configurable > as JAWS and Window-eyes. These are important lacks in NVDA.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Adriani Botez <mailto:adriani.botez@gmail.com> > >

*Sent:*Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:34 PM > >
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > >
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed > > This is not correct.
NVDA is well adjustable, even much easier than > jaws.

Von meinem iPhone gesendet


Am 23.12.2017 um 03:47 schrieb Gene <gsasner@ripco.com

<mailto:gsasner@ripco.com> > <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>>:

You can't do what I could do when I used Pine with a shell
account a long time ago. I didn't need to create any
frames

or > scripts. All I had to do was set the screen echo of
JAWS to > all, open a message, and then use the jaws skip
line wile > reading feature, right shift, to very quickly
jump to the start > of the message body. Even if NVDA reads
such material when it > appears on screen, you either listen
to everything or nothing > and use the tedious read by line
screen review option. Hardly a > convenient or reasonable way to go through thirty e-mails.

Like it or not, NVDA isn't user definable. You can't label
graphics and you can't create frames. These are serious >

deficiencies even if many of us don't need such options.

And you can't set the screen echo to all and then do what I

did, > as I described. This may be an important ability for some users.

Gene

----- Original Message ----- > >

*From:*coffeekingms@hotmail.com <mailto:coffeekingms@hotmail.com> >

*Sent:*Friday, December 22, 2017 7:16 PM > >

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > >
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed > > Hi > >
I concur. I firmly believe that NVDA can do most, if not all, > the
things more expensive programs can do. With some very rare >
exceptions. There are still some apps that require jfw with >
specific scripts to be usable, but as time goes on those apps > will
dwindle until there are none left. But for 99 percent of > people,
NVDA can work for them, either alone or in combination > with
narrator, which has gotten quite good. I don’t really set > much
store by such presentations, as the few I’ve bothered to > listen to
gloss over the free options as if they’re not there, > are not worth
mentioning or aren’t good enough. This applies to > NVDA as well as
open source operating systems like Linux. I have > not listened to
the presentation people are talking about, so I > don’t want to
ruffle any feathers, but as a rule I don’t listen > to them. They
tend to unilaterally insist that only the paid > apps are worth
using. Except for the NVDA podcasts. Those are > great, although I
don’t follow those either. I’m just a user. I > use NVDA on a daily
basis and have found very little that it > can’t do. If it can’t
navigate an app by the usual methods, tab, > shift tab, arrows, then
it can by either touch, if you have a > touch screen or object
navigation.Even when I was using Linux > full time I would keep up
with NVDA’s progress, and NVDA is what > eventually brought me back
to using windows again.

Thanks

Kendell Clark

Sent from Mail

<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>;

for Windows 10

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*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >

<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> on behalf of > Don H
<lmddh50@adams.net <mailto:lmddh50@adams.net>
<mailto:lmddh50@adams.net>> > *Sent:* Friday, December 22, 2017
6:18:54 PM > *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed > > I think that
NVDA is just as good or better than any other screen > reader. I
think the issue for businesses is the fact that NVDA >
is open > source thus in their minds less secure.

Hi,
Hmmm, it is a recent addition (not long ago I believe). I think not a lot of people know that NVDA does have alternate say all like what JAWS has now, and I gave numerous demos in the past.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rui Fontes
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 3:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed

Sorry!
Never tested that way!

It is a very good feature not communicated to the users!

Rui


Às 23:21 de 23/12/2017, Gene escreveu:

I found the setting. I almost never do anything in that dialog and I
didn't know about it. You don't use left and right arrow, you use up
and down arrow, the same keys you would use normally to move up and
down a line.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Rui Fontes <mailto:rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
*Sent:* Saturday, December 23, 2017 5:16 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed

Joseph, I think she was refering to the possibility of pressing
LeftArrow or RightArrow to go back or forward one line, phrase or
paragraph during continuous reading...Unfortunately that is not yet
possible in NVDA...

Rui
Às 23:01 de 23/12/2017, Joseph Lee escreveu:
> Hi,
>
> One of them is already here. In fact, you’ll find it in NVDA’s
keyboard > settings dialog.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joseph
>
> *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of > *Mary Otten > *Sent:*
Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:58 PM > *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm
dissappointed > > I really agree with you about the inability to
move backwards or > forwards a line at a time when continuous
reading is invoked. I really > really miss that feature a lot coming
from window eyes as I have.
> Mary
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Dec 23, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com
<mailto:gsasner@ripco.com> > <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>> wrote:
>
> You can't label graphics, you can't create frames and there is
no > adjustment of the screen echo. There is also no way to skip
baqck > and forward by line when the screen echo is set to all or
when using > read to end and have speech continue. If these
abilities were > present, as far as I know, that would make NVDA as
user configurable > as JAWS and Window-eyes. These are important lacks in NVDA.
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:*Adriani Botez <mailto:adriani.botez@gmail.com> > >
*Sent:*Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:34 PM > >
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > >
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed > > This is not correct.
NVDA is well adjustable, even much easier than > jaws.
>
> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
>
>
> Am 23.12.2017 um 03:47 schrieb Gene <gsasner@ripco.com
<mailto:gsasner@ripco.com> > <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>>:
>
> You can't do what I could do when I used Pine with a shell

account a long time ago. I didn't need to create any
frames

or > scripts. All I had to do was set the screen echo of
JAWS to > all, open a message, and then use the jaws skip
line wile > reading feature, right shift, to very quickly
jump to the start > of the message body. Even if NVDA reads
such material when it > appears on screen, you either listen
to everything or nothing > and use the tedious read by line
screen review option. Hardly a > convenient or reasonable way to go through thirty e-mails.
>
> Like it or not, NVDA isn't user definable. You can't label

graphics and you can't create frames. These are serious >

deficiencies even if many of us don't need such options.
>
> And you can't set the screen echo to all and then do what I
did, > as I described. This may be an important ability for some users.
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message ----- > >
*From:*coffeekingms@hotmail.com <mailto:coffeekingms@hotmail.com> >

*Sent:*Friday, December 22, 2017 7:16 PM > >

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > >
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed > > Hi > >
I concur. I firmly believe that NVDA can do most, if not all, > the
things more expensive programs can do. With some very rare >
exceptions. There are still some apps that require jfw with >
specific scripts to be usable, but as time goes on those apps > will
dwindle until there are none left. But for 99 percent of > people,
NVDA can work for them, either alone or in combination > with
narrator, which has gotten quite good. I don’t really set > much
store by such presentations, as the few I’ve bothered to > listen to
gloss over the free options as if they’re not there, > are not worth
mentioning or aren’t good enough. This applies to > NVDA as well as
open source operating systems like Linux. I have > not listened to
the presentation people are talking about, so I > don’t want to
ruffle any feathers, but as a rule I don’t listen > to them. They
tend to unilaterally insist that only the paid > apps are worth
using. Except for the NVDA podcasts. Those are > great, although I
don’t follow those either. I’m just a user. I > use NVDA on a daily
basis and have found very little that it > can’t do. If it can’t
navigate an app by the usual methods, tab, > shift tab, arrows, then
it can by either touch, if you have a > touch screen or object
navigation.Even when I was using Linux > full time I would keep up
with NVDA’s progress, and NVDA is what > eventually brought me back
to using windows again.
>
> Thanks
>
> Kendell Clark
>
> Sent from Mail
<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>;
> for Windows 10
>
>
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>
> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >
<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> on behalf of > Don H
<lmddh50@adams.net <mailto:lmddh50@adams.net>
<mailto:lmddh50@adams.net>> > *Sent:* Friday, December 22, 2017
6:18:54 PM > *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed > > I think that
NVDA is just as good or better than any other screen > reader. I
think the issue for businesses is the fact that NVDA >
is open > source thus in their minds less secure.
>
>
>
>

Hi,
Hmmm, it is a recent addition (not long ago I believe). I think not a lot of people know that NVDA does have alternate say all like what JAWS has now, and I gave numerous demos in the past.
Cheers,
Joseph
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 3:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
Sorry!
Never tested that way!
It is a very good feature not communicated to the users!
Rui
Às 23:21 de 23/12/2017, Gene escreveu:

I found the setting. I almost never do anything in that dialog and I
didn't know about it. You don't use left and right arrow, you use up
and down arrow, the same keys you would use normally to move up and
down a line.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Rui Fontes <mailto:rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
*Sent:* Saturday, December 23, 2017 5:16 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed

Joseph, I think she was refering to the possibility of pressing
LeftArrow or RightArrow to go back or forward one line, phrase or
paragraph during continuous reading...Unfortunately that is not yet
possible in NVDA...

Rui
Às 23:01 de 23/12/2017, Joseph Lee escreveu:
> Hi,
>
> One of them is already here. In fact, you’ll find it in NVDA’s
keyboard > settings dialog.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joseph
>
> *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of > *Mary Otten > *Sent:*
Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:58 PM > *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm
dissappointed > > I really agree with you about the inability to
move backwards or > forwards a line at a time when continuous reading
is invoked. I really > really miss that feature a lot coming from
window eyes as I have.
> Mary
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Dec 23, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com
<mailto:gsasner@ripco.com> > <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>> wrote:
>
> You can't label graphics, you can't create frames and there is
no > adjustment of the screen echo. There is also no way to skip
baqck > and forward by line when the screen echo is set to all or
when using > read to end and have speech continue. If these
abilities were > present, as far as I know, that would make NVDA as
user configurable > as JAWS and Window-eyes. These are important lacks in NVDA.
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:*Adriani Botez <mailto:adriani.botez@gmail.com> > >
*Sent:*Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:34 PM > >
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > >
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed > > This is not correct.
NVDA is well adjustable, even much easier than > jaws.
>
> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
>
>
> Am 23.12.2017 um 03:47 schrieb Gene <gsasner@ripco.com
<mailto:gsasner@ripco.com> > <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>>:
>
> You can't do what I could do when I used Pine with a shell

account a long time ago. I didn't need to create any frames

or > scripts. All I had to do was set the screen echo of
JAWS to > all, open a message, and then use the jaws skip
line wile > reading feature, right shift, to very quickly
jump to the start > of the message body. Even if NVDA reads
such material when it > appears on screen, you either listen
to everything or nothing > and use the tedious read by line
screen review option. Hardly a > convenient or reasonable way to go through thirty e-mails.
>
> Like it or not, NVDA isn't user definable. You can't label

graphics and you can't create frames. These are serious >

deficiencies even if many of us don't need such options.
>
> And you can't set the screen echo to all and then do what I
did, > as I described. This may be an important ability for some users.
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message ----- > >
*From:*coffeekingms@hotmail.com <mailto:coffeekingms@hotmail.com> >

*Sent:*Friday, December 22, 2017 7:16 PM > >

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > >
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed > > Hi > >
I concur. I firmly believe that NVDA can do most, if not all, >
the things more expensive programs can do. With some very rare >
exceptions. There are still some apps that require jfw with >
specific scripts to be usable, but as time goes on those apps >
will dwindle until there are none left. But for 99 percent of >
people, NVDA can work for them, either alone or in combination >
with narrator, which has gotten quite good. I don’t really set >
much store by such presentations, as the few I’ve bothered to >
listen to gloss over the free options as if they’re not there, >
are not worth mentioning or aren’t good enough. This applies to >
NVDA as well as open source operating systems like Linux. I have >
not listened to the presentation people are talking about, so I >
don’t want to ruffle any feathers, but as a rule I don’t listen >
to them. They tend to unilaterally insist that only the paid >
apps are worth using. Except for the NVDA podcasts. Those are >
great, although I don’t follow those either. I’m just a user. I >
use NVDA on a daily basis and have found very little that it >
can’t do. If it can’t navigate an app by the usual methods, tab, >
shift tab, arrows, then it can by either touch, if you have a >
touch screen or object navigation.Even when I was using Linux >
full time I would keep up with NVDA’s progress, and NVDA is what >
eventually brought me back to using windows again.
>
> Thanks
>
> Kendell Clark
>
> Sent from Mail
<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>;
> for Windows 10
>
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------
--
>
> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >
<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> on behalf of > Don H
<lmddh50@adams.net <mailto:lmddh50@adams.net>
<mailto:lmddh50@adams.net>> > *Sent:* Friday, December 22, 2017
6:18:54 PM > *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed > > I think that
NVDA is just as good or better than any other screen >
reader. I think the issue for businesses is the fact that NVDA >
is open > source thus in their minds less secure.
>
>
>
>

Hi,
Hmmm, it is a recent addition (not long ago I believe). I think not a lot of people know that NVDA does have alternate say all like what JAWS has now, and I gave numerous demos in the past.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 3:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed

Sorry!
Never tested that way!

It is a very good feature not communicated to the users!

Rui


Às 23:21 de 23/12/2017, Gene escreveu:

I found the setting. I almost never do anything in that dialog and I
didn't know about it. You don't use left and right arrow, you use up
and down arrow, the same keys you would use normally to move up and
down a line.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Rui Fontes <mailto:rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
*Sent:* Saturday, December 23, 2017 5:16 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed

Joseph, I think she was refering to the possibility of pressing
LeftArrow or RightArrow to go back or forward one line, phrase or
paragraph during continuous reading...Unfortunately that is not yet
possible in NVDA...

Rui
Às 23:01 de 23/12/2017, Joseph Lee escreveu:
> Hi,
>
> One of them is already here. In fact, you’ll find it in NVDA’s
keyboard > settings dialog.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joseph
>
> *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of > *Mary Otten > *Sent:*
Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:58 PM > *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm
dissappointed > > I really agree with you about the inability to
move backwards or > forwards a line at a time when continuous reading
is invoked. I really > really miss that feature a lot coming from
window eyes as I have.
> Mary
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Dec 23, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com
<mailto:gsasner@ripco.com> > <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>> wrote:
>
> You can't label graphics, you can't create frames and there is
no > adjustment of the screen echo. There is also no way to skip
baqck > and forward by line when the screen echo is set to all or
when using > read to end and have speech continue. If these
abilities were > present, as far as I know, that would make NVDA as
user configurable > as JAWS and Window-eyes. These are important lacks in NVDA.
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:*Adriani Botez <mailto:adriani.botez@gmail.com> > >
*Sent:*Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:34 PM > >
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > >
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed > > This is not correct.
NVDA is well adjustable, even much easier than > jaws.
>
> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
>
>
> Am 23.12.2017 um 03:47 schrieb Gene <gsasner@ripco.com
<mailto:gsasner@ripco.com> > <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>>:
>
> You can't do what I could do when I used Pine with a shell

account a long time ago. I didn't need to create any frames

or > scripts. All I had to do was set the screen echo of
JAWS to > all, open a message, and then use the jaws skip
line wile > reading feature, right shift, to very quickly
jump to the start > of the message body. Even if NVDA reads
such material when it > appears on screen, you either listen
to everything or nothing > and use the tedious read by line
screen review option. Hardly a > convenient or reasonable way to go through thirty e-mails.
>
> Like it or not, NVDA isn't user definable. You can't label

graphics and you can't create frames. These are serious >

deficiencies even if many of us don't need such options.
>
> And you can't set the screen echo to all and then do what I
did, > as I described. This may be an important ability for some users.
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message ----- > >
*From:*coffeekingms@hotmail.com <mailto:coffeekingms@hotmail.com> >

*Sent:*Friday, December 22, 2017 7:16 PM > >

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > >
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed > > Hi > >
I concur. I firmly believe that NVDA can do most, if not all, >
the things more expensive programs can do. With some very rare >
exceptions. There are still some apps that require jfw with >
specific scripts to be usable, but as time goes on those apps >
will dwindle until there are none left. But for 99 percent of >
people, NVDA can work for them, either alone or in combination >
with narrator, which has gotten quite good. I don’t really set >
much store by such presentations, as the few I’ve bothered to >
listen to gloss over the free options as if they’re not there, >
are not worth mentioning or aren’t good enough. This applies to >
NVDA as well as open source operating systems like Linux. I have >
not listened to the presentation people are talking about, so I >
don’t want to ruffle any feathers, but as a rule I don’t listen >
to them. They tend to unilaterally insist that only the paid >
apps are worth using. Except for the NVDA podcasts. Those are >
great, although I don’t follow those either. I’m just a user. I >
use NVDA on a daily basis and have found very little that it >
can’t do. If it can’t navigate an app by the usual methods, tab, >
shift tab, arrows, then it can by either touch, if you have a >
touch screen or object navigation.Even when I was using Linux >
full time I would keep up with NVDA’s progress, and NVDA is what >
eventually brought me back to using windows again.
>
> Thanks
>
> Kendell Clark
>
> Sent from Mail
<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>;
> for Windows 10
>
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------
--
>
> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >
<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> on behalf of > Don H
<lmddh50@adams.net <mailto:lmddh50@adams.net>
<mailto:lmddh50@adams.net>> > *Sent:* Friday, December 22, 2017
6:18:54 PM > *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed > > I think that
NVDA is just as good or better than any other screen >
reader. I think the issue for businesses is the fact that NVDA >
is open > source thus in their minds less secure.
>
>
>
>

Sorry!
Never tested that way!

It is a very good feature not communicated to the users!

Rui


Às 23:21 de 23/12/2017, Gene escreveu:

I found the setting.  I almost never do anything in that dialog and I didn't know about it.  You don't use left and right arrow, you use up and down arrow, the same keys you would use normally to move up and down a line.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Rui Fontes <mailto:rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
*Sent:* Saturday, December 23, 2017 5:16 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed

Joseph, I think she was refering to the possibility of pressing
LeftArrow or RightArrow to go back or forward one line, phrase or
paragraph during continuous reading...Unfortunately that is not yet
possible in NVDA...

Rui
Às 23:01 de 23/12/2017, Joseph Lee escreveu:
 > Hi,
 >
 > One of them is already here. In fact, you’ll find it in NVDA’s keyboard
 > settings dialog.
 >
 > Cheers,
 >
 > Joseph
 >
 > *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
 > *Mary Otten
 > *Sent:* Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:58 PM
 > *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
 > *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
 >
 > I really agree with you about the inability to move backwards or
 > forwards a line at a time when continuous reading is invoked. I really
 > really miss that feature a lot coming from window eyes as I have.
 > Mary
 >
 > Sent from my iPhone
 >
 >
 > On Dec 23, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>
 > <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>> wrote:
 >
 >     You can't label graphics, you can't create frames and there is no
 >     adjustment of the screen echo.  There is also no way to skip baqck
 >     and forward by line when the screen echo is set to all or when using
 >     read to end and have speech continue.  If these abilities were
 > present, as far as I know, that would make NVDA as user configurable
 >     as JAWS and Window-eyes. These are important lacks in NVDA.
 >
 > Gene
 >
 >     ----- Original Message -----
 >
 >     *From:*Adriani Botez <mailto:adriani.botez@gmail.com>
 >
 >     *Sent:*Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:34 PM
 >
 >     *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
 >
 >     *Subject:*Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
 >
 >     This is not correct. NVDA is well adjustable, even much easier than
 >     jaws.
 >
 >     Von meinem iPhone gesendet
 >
 >
 >     Am 23.12.2017 um 03:47 schrieb Gene <gsasner@ripco.com <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>
 > <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>>:
 >
 >         You can't do what I could do when I used Pine with a shell
 >         account a long time ago.  I didn't need to create any frames or
 >         scripts.  All I had to do was set the screen echo of JAWS to
 >         all, open a message, and then use the jaws skip line wile
 >         reading feature, right shift, to very quickly jump to the start
 >         of the message body.  Even if NVDA reads such material when it
 >         appears on screen, you either listen to everything or nothing
 >         and use the tedious read by line screen review option.  Hardly a
 >         convenient or reasonable way to go through thirty e-mails.
 >
 >         Like it or not, NVDA isn't user definable.  You can't label
 >         graphics and you can't create frames.  These are serious
 >         deficiencies even if many of us don't need such options.
 >
 >         And you can't set the screen echo to all and then do what I did,
 >         as I described.  This may be an important ability for some users.
 >
 >         Gene
 >
 >         ----- Original Message -----
 >
 > *From:*coffeekingms@hotmail.com <mailto:coffeekingms@hotmail.com>
 >
 >         *Sent:*Friday, December 22, 2017 7:16 PM
 >
 > *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
 >
 >         *Subject:*Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
 >
 >         Hi
 >
 >         I concur. I  firmly believe that NVDA can do most, if not all,
 >         the things more expensive programs can do. With some very rare
 >         exceptions. There are still some apps that require jfw with
 >         specific scripts to be usable, but as time goes on those apps
 >         will dwindle until there are none left. But for 99 percent of
 >         people, NVDA can work for them, either alone or in combination
 >         with narrator, which has gotten quite good. I don’t really set
 >         much store by such presentations, as the few I’ve bothered to
 >         listen to gloss over the free options as if they’re not there,
 >         are not worth mentioning or aren’t good enough. This applies to
 >         NVDA as well as open source operating systems like Linux. I have
 >         not listened to the presentation people are talking about, so I
 >         don’t want to ruffle any feathers, but as a rule I don’t listen
 >         to them. They tend to unilaterally insist that only the paid
 >         apps are worth using. Except for the NVDA podcasts. Those are
 >         great, although I don’t follow those either. I’m just a user. I
 >         use NVDA on a daily basis and have found very little that it
 >         can’t do. If it can’t navigate an app by the usual methods, tab,
 >         shift tab, arrows, then it can by either touch, if you have a
 >         touch screen or object navigation.Even when I was using Linux
 >         full time I would keep up with NVDA’s progress, and NVDA is what
 >         eventually brought me back to using windows again.
 >
 >         Thanks
 >
 >         Kendell Clark
 >
 >         Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>;
 > for Windows 10
 >
 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
 >
 > *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
 > <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> on behalf of
 >         Don H <lmddh50@adams.net <mailto:lmddh50@adams.net> <mailto:lmddh50@adams.net>>
 > *Sent:* Friday, December 22, 2017 6:18:54 PM
 >         *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
 > *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
 >
 >         I think that NVDA is just as good or better than any other screen
 >         reader.  I think the issue for businesses is the fact that NVDA
 >         is open
 >         source thus in their minds less secure.
 >
 >
 >
 >

Exactly correct. This feature is present in both window eyes and jaws. I hope it comes to NVDA very soon. It’s been around for a long time.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 23, 2017, at 3:16 PM, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com> wrote:

Joseph, I think she was refering to the possibility of pressing LeftArrow or RightArrow to go back or forward one line, phrase or paragraph during continuous reading...Unfortunately that is not yet possible in NVDA...

Rui
Às 23:01 de 23/12/2017, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,
One of them is already here. In fact, you’ll find it in NVDA’s keyboard settings dialog.
Cheers,
Joseph
*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Mary Otten
*Sent:* Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:58 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
I really agree with you about the inability to move backwards or forwards a line at a time when continuous reading is invoked. I really really miss that feature a lot coming from window eyes as I have.
Mary
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 23, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>> wrote:
You can't label graphics, you can't create frames and there is no
adjustment of the screen echo. There is also no way to skip baqck
and forward by line when the screen echo is set to all or when using
read to end and have speech continue. If these abilities were
present, as far as I know, that would make NVDA as user configurable
as JAWS and Window-eyes. These are important lacks in NVDA.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:*Adriani Botez <mailto:adriani.botez@gmail.com>
*Sent:*Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:34 PM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
This is not correct. NVDA is well adjustable, even much easier than
jaws.
Von meinem iPhone gesendet
Am 23.12.2017 um 03:47 schrieb Gene <gsasner@ripco.com
<mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>>:
You can't do what I could do when I used Pine with a shell
account a long time ago. I didn't need to create any frames or
scripts. All I had to do was set the screen echo of JAWS to
all, open a message, and then use the jaws skip line wile
reading feature, right shift, to very quickly jump to the start
of the message body. Even if NVDA reads such material when it
appears on screen, you either listen to everything or nothing
and use the tedious read by line screen review option. Hardly a
convenient or reasonable way to go through thirty e-mails.
Like it or not, NVDA isn't user definable. You can't label
graphics and you can't create frames. These are serious
deficiencies even if many of us don't need such options.
And you can't set the screen echo to all and then do what I did,
as I described. This may be an important ability for some users.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:*coffeekingms@hotmail.com <mailto:coffeekingms@hotmail.com>
*Sent:*Friday, December 22, 2017 7:16 PM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
Hi
I concur. I firmly believe that NVDA can do most, if not all,
the things more expensive programs can do. With some very rare
exceptions. There are still some apps that require jfw with
specific scripts to be usable, but as time goes on those apps
will dwindle until there are none left. But for 99 percent of
people, NVDA can work for them, either alone or in combination
with narrator, which has gotten quite good. I don’t really set
much store by such presentations, as the few I’ve bothered to
listen to gloss over the free options as if they’re not there,
are not worth mentioning or aren’t good enough. This applies to
NVDA as well as open source operating systems like Linux. I have
not listened to the presentation people are talking about, so I
don’t want to ruffle any feathers, but as a rule I don’t listen
to them. They tend to unilaterally insist that only the paid
apps are worth using. Except for the NVDA podcasts. Those are
great, although I don’t follow those either. I’m just a user. I
use NVDA on a daily basis and have found very little that it
can’t do. If it can’t navigate an app by the usual methods, tab,
shift tab, arrows, then it can by either touch, if you have a
touch screen or object navigation.Even when I was using Linux
full time I would keep up with NVDA’s progress, and NVDA is what
eventually brought me back to using windows again.
Thanks
Kendell Clark
Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>;
for Windows 10
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> on behalf of
Don H <lmddh50@adams.net <mailto:lmddh50@adams.net>>
*Sent:* Friday, December 22, 2017 6:18:54 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
I think that NVDA is just as good or better than any other screen
reader. I think the issue for businesses is the fact that NVDA
is open
source thus in their minds less secure.

On Dec 23, 2017, at 3:16 PM, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com> wrote:

Joseph, I think she was refering to the possibility of pressing LeftArrow or RightArrow to go back or forward one line, phrase or paragraph during continuous reading...Unfortunately that is not yet possible in NVDA...

Rui
Às 23:01 de 23/12/2017, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,
One of them is already here. In fact, you’ll find it in NVDA’s keyboard settings dialog.
Cheers,
Joseph
*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf
Of *Mary Otten
*Sent:* Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:58 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed I really agree with you about
the inability to move backwards or forwards a line at a time when continuous reading is invoked. I really really miss that feature a lot coming from window eyes as I have.
Mary
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 23, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>> wrote:
You can't label graphics, you can't create frames and there is no
adjustment of the screen echo. There is also no way to skip baqck
and forward by line when the screen echo is set to all or when using
read to end and have speech continue. If these abilities were
present, as far as I know, that would make NVDA as user configurable
as JAWS and Window-eyes. These are important lacks in NVDA.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:*Adriani Botez <mailto:adriani.botez@gmail.com>
*Sent:*Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:34 PM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
This is not correct. NVDA is well adjustable, even much easier than
jaws.
Von meinem iPhone gesendet
Am 23.12.2017 um 03:47 schrieb Gene <gsasner@ripco.com
<mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>>:
You can't do what I could do when I used Pine with a shell
account a long time ago. I didn't need to create any frames or
scripts. All I had to do was set the screen echo of JAWS to
all, open a message, and then use the jaws skip line wile
reading feature, right shift, to very quickly jump to the start
of the message body. Even if NVDA reads such material when it
appears on screen, you either listen to everything or nothing
and use the tedious read by line screen review option. Hardly a
convenient or reasonable way to go through thirty e-mails.
Like it or not, NVDA isn't user definable. You can't label
graphics and you can't create frames. These are serious
deficiencies even if many of us don't need such options.
And you can't set the screen echo to all and then do what I did,
as I described. This may be an important ability for some users.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:*coffeekingms@hotmail.com <mailto:coffeekingms@hotmail.com>
*Sent:*Friday, December 22, 2017 7:16 PM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
Hi
I concur. I firmly believe that NVDA can do most, if not all,
the things more expensive programs can do. With some very rare
exceptions. There are still some apps that require jfw with
specific scripts to be usable, but as time goes on those apps
will dwindle until there are none left. But for 99 percent of
people, NVDA can work for them, either alone or in combination
with narrator, which has gotten quite good. I don’t really set
much store by such presentations, as the few I’ve bothered to
listen to gloss over the free options as if they’re not there,
are not worth mentioning or aren’t good enough. This applies to
NVDA as well as open source operating systems like Linux. I have
not listened to the presentation people are talking about, so I
don’t want to ruffle any feathers, but as a rule I don’t listen
to them. They tend to unilaterally insist that only the paid
apps are worth using. Except for the NVDA podcasts. Those are
great, although I don’t follow those either. I’m just a user. I
use NVDA on a daily basis and have found very little that it
can’t do. If it can’t navigate an app by the usual methods, tab,
shift tab, arrows, then it can by either touch, if you have a
touch screen or object navigation.Even when I was using Linux
full time I would keep up with NVDA’s progress, and NVDA is what
eventually brought me back to using windows again.
Thanks
Kendell Clark
Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>;
for Windows 10
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> on behalf of
Don H <lmddh50@adams.net <mailto:lmddh50@adams.net>>
*Sent:* Friday, December 22, 2017 6:18:54 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
I think that NVDA is just as good or better than any other screen
reader. I think the issue for businesses is the fact that NVDA
is open
source thus in their minds less secure.

I found the setting. I almost never do anything in that dialog and I
didn't know about it. You don't use left and right arrow, you use up
and down arrow, the same keys you would use normally to move up and
down a line.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Rui Fontes <mailto:rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
*Sent:* Saturday, December 23, 2017 5:16 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed

Joseph, I think she was refering to the possibility of pressing
LeftArrow or RightArrow to go back or forward one line, phrase or
paragraph during continuous reading...Unfortunately that is not yet
possible in NVDA...

Rui
Às 23:01 de 23/12/2017, Joseph Lee escreveu:
> Hi,
>
> One of them is already here. In fact, you’ll find it in NVDA’s
keyboard > settings dialog.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joseph
>
> *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of > *Mary Otten > *Sent:*
Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:58 PM > *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm
dissappointed > > I really agree with you about the inability to
move backwards or > forwards a line at a time when continuous reading
is invoked. I really > really miss that feature a lot coming from
window eyes as I have.
> Mary
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Dec 23, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com
<mailto:gsasner@ripco.com> > <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>> wrote:
>
> You can't label graphics, you can't create frames and there is
no > adjustment of the screen echo. There is also no way to skip
baqck > and forward by line when the screen echo is set to all or
when using > read to end and have speech continue. If these
abilities were > present, as far as I know, that would make NVDA as
user configurable > as JAWS and Window-eyes. These are important lacks in NVDA.
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:*Adriani Botez <mailto:adriani.botez@gmail.com> > >
*Sent:*Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:34 PM > >
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > >
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed > > This is not correct.
NVDA is well adjustable, even much easier than > jaws.
>
> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
>
>
> Am 23.12.2017 um 03:47 schrieb Gene <gsasner@ripco.com
<mailto:gsasner@ripco.com> > <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>>:
>
> You can't do what I could do when I used Pine with a shell

account a long time ago. I didn't need to create any frames

or > scripts. All I had to do was set the screen echo of
JAWS to > all, open a message, and then use the jaws skip
line wile > reading feature, right shift, to very quickly
jump to the start > of the message body. Even if NVDA reads
such material when it > appears on screen, you either listen
to everything or nothing > and use the tedious read by line
screen review option. Hardly a > convenient or reasonable way to go through thirty e-mails.
>
> Like it or not, NVDA isn't user definable. You can't label

graphics and you can't create frames. These are serious >

deficiencies even if many of us don't need such options.
>
> And you can't set the screen echo to all and then do what I
did, > as I described. This may be an important ability for some users.
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message ----- > >
*From:*coffeekingms@hotmail.com <mailto:coffeekingms@hotmail.com> >

*Sent:*Friday, December 22, 2017 7:16 PM > >

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > >
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed > > Hi > >
I concur. I firmly believe that NVDA can do most, if not all, >
the things more expensive programs can do. With some very rare >
exceptions. There are still some apps that require jfw with >
specific scripts to be usable, but as time goes on those apps >
will dwindle until there are none left. But for 99 percent of >
people, NVDA can work for them, either alone or in combination >
with narrator, which has gotten quite good. I don’t really set >
much store by such presentations, as the few I’ve bothered to >
listen to gloss over the free options as if they’re not there, >
are not worth mentioning or aren’t good enough. This applies to >
NVDA as well as open source operating systems like Linux. I have >
not listened to the presentation people are talking about, so I >
don’t want to ruffle any feathers, but as a rule I don’t listen >
to them. They tend to unilaterally insist that only the paid >
apps are worth using. Except for the NVDA podcasts. Those are >
great, although I don’t follow those either. I’m just a user. I >
use NVDA on a daily basis and have found very little that it >
can’t do. If it can’t navigate an app by the usual methods, tab, >
shift tab, arrows, then it can by either touch, if you have a >
touch screen or object navigation.Even when I was using Linux >
full time I would keep up with NVDA’s progress, and NVDA is what >
eventually brought me back to using windows again.
>
> Thanks
>
> Kendell Clark
>
> Sent from Mail
<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>;
> for Windows 10
>
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------
--
>
> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >
<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> on behalf of > Don H
<lmddh50@adams.net <mailto:lmddh50@adams.net>
<mailto:lmddh50@adams.net>> > *Sent:* Friday, December 22, 2017
6:18:54 PM > *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed > > I think that
NVDA is just as good or better than any other screen >
reader. I think the issue for businesses is the fact that NVDA >
is open > source thus in their minds less secure.
>
>
>
>

I found the setting.  I almost never do anything in that dialog and I didn't know about it.  You don't use left and right arrow, you use up and down arrow, the same keys you would use normally to move up and down a line.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Rui Fontes <mailto:rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
*Sent:* Saturday, December 23, 2017 5:16 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
Joseph, I think she was refering to the possibility of pressing
LeftArrow or RightArrow to go back or forward one line, phrase or
paragraph during continuous reading...Unfortunately that is not yet
possible in NVDA...
Rui
Às 23:01 de 23/12/2017, Joseph Lee escreveu:
> Hi,
>
> One of them is already here. In fact, you’ll find it in NVDA’s keyboard
> settings dialog.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joseph
>
> *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
> *Mary Otten
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:58 PM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
>
> I really agree with you about the inability to move backwards or
> forwards a line at a time when continuous reading is invoked. I really
> really miss that feature a lot coming from window eyes as I have.
> Mary
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Dec 23, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com
<mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>
> <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>> wrote:
>
>     You can't label graphics, you can't create frames and there is no
>     adjustment of the screen echo.  There is also no way to skip baqck
>     and forward by line when the screen echo is set to all or when using
>     read to end and have speech continue.  If these abilities were
> present, as far as I know, that would make NVDA as user configurable
>     as JAWS and Window-eyes. These are important lacks in NVDA.
>
> Gene
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>
>     *From:*Adriani Botez <mailto:adriani.botez@gmail.com>
>
>     *Sent:*Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:34 PM
>
>     *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>
>     *Subject:*Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
>
>     This is not correct. NVDA is well adjustable, even much easier than
>     jaws.
>
>     Von meinem iPhone gesendet
>
>
>     Am 23.12.2017 um 03:47 schrieb Gene <gsasner@ripco.com
<mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>
> <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>>:
>
>         You can't do what I could do when I used Pine with a shell
>         account a long time ago.  I didn't need to create any frames or
>         scripts.  All I had to do was set the screen echo of JAWS to
>         all, open a message, and then use the jaws skip line wile
>         reading feature, right shift, to very quickly jump to the start
>         of the message body.  Even if NVDA reads such material when it
>         appears on screen, you either listen to everything or nothing
>         and use the tedious read by line screen review option.  Hardly a
>         convenient or reasonable way to go through thirty e-mails.
>
>         Like it or not, NVDA isn't user definable.  You can't label
>         graphics and you can't create frames.  These are serious
>         deficiencies even if many of us don't need such options.
>
>         And you can't set the screen echo to all and then do what I did,
>         as I described.  This may be an important ability for some users.
>
>         Gene
>
>         ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:*coffeekingms@hotmail.com <mailto:coffeekingms@hotmail.com>
>
>         *Sent:*Friday, December 22, 2017 7:16 PM
>
> *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>
>         *Subject:*Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
>
>         Hi
>
>         I concur. I  firmly believe that NVDA can do most, if not all,
>         the things more expensive programs can do. With some very rare
>         exceptions. There are still some apps that require jfw with
>         specific scripts to be usable, but as time goes on those apps
>         will dwindle until there are none left. But for 99 percent of
>         people, NVDA can work for them, either alone or in combination
>         with narrator, which has gotten quite good. I don’t really set
>         much store by such presentations, as the few I’ve bothered to
>         listen to gloss over the free options as if they’re not there,
>         are not worth mentioning or aren’t good enough. This applies to
>         NVDA as well as open source operating systems like Linux. I have
>         not listened to the presentation people are talking about, so I
>         don’t want to ruffle any feathers, but as a rule I don’t listen
>         to them. They tend to unilaterally insist that only the paid
>         apps are worth using. Except for the NVDA podcasts. Those are
>         great, although I don’t follow those either. I’m just a user. I
>         use NVDA on a daily basis and have found very little that it
>         can’t do. If it can’t navigate an app by the usual methods, tab,
>         shift tab, arrows, then it can by either touch, if you have a
>         touch screen or object navigation.Even when I was using Linux
>         full time I would keep up with NVDA’s progress, and NVDA is what
>         eventually brought me back to using windows again.
>
>         Thanks
>
>         Kendell Clark
>
>         Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>;
> for Windows 10
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> on behalf of
>         Don H <lmddh50@adams.net <mailto:lmddh50@adams.net>
<mailto:lmddh50@adams.net>>
> *Sent:* Friday, December 22, 2017 6:18:54 PM
>         *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
>
>         I think that NVDA is just as good or better than any other screen
>         reader.  I think the issue for businesses is the fact that NVDA
>         is open
>         source thus in their minds less secure.
>
>
>
>

On Dec 23, 2017, at 3:16 PM, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com> wrote:

Joseph, I think she was refering to the possibility of pressing LeftArrow or RightArrow to go back or forward one line, phrase or paragraph during continuous reading...Unfortunately that is not yet possible in NVDA...

Rui
Às 23:01 de 23/12/2017, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,
One of them is already here. In fact, you’ll find it in NVDA’s keyboard settings dialog.
Cheers,
Joseph
*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Mary Otten
*Sent:* Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:58 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
I really agree with you about the inability to move backwards or forwards a line at a time when continuous reading is invoked. I really really miss that feature a lot coming from window eyes as I have.
Mary
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 23, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>> wrote:
You can't label graphics, you can't create frames and there is no
adjustment of the screen echo. There is also no way to skip baqck
and forward by line when the screen echo is set to all or when using
read to end and have speech continue. If these abilities were
present, as far as I know, that would make NVDA as user configurable
as JAWS and Window-eyes. These are important lacks in NVDA.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:*Adriani Botez <mailto:adriani.botez@gmail.com>
*Sent:*Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:34 PM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
This is not correct. NVDA is well adjustable, even much easier than
jaws.
Von meinem iPhone gesendet
Am 23.12.2017 um 03:47 schrieb Gene <gsasner@ripco.com
<mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>>:
You can't do what I could do when I used Pine with a shell
account a long time ago. I didn't need to create any frames or
scripts. All I had to do was set the screen echo of JAWS to
all, open a message, and then use the jaws skip line wile
reading feature, right shift, to very quickly jump to the start
of the message body. Even if NVDA reads such material when it
appears on screen, you either listen to everything or nothing
and use the tedious read by line screen review option. Hardly a
convenient or reasonable way to go through thirty e-mails.
Like it or not, NVDA isn't user definable. You can't label
graphics and you can't create frames. These are serious
deficiencies even if many of us don't need such options.
And you can't set the screen echo to all and then do what I did,
as I described. This may be an important ability for some users.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:*coffeekingms@hotmail.com <mailto:coffeekingms@hotmail.com>
*Sent:*Friday, December 22, 2017 7:16 PM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
Hi
I concur. I firmly believe that NVDA can do most, if not all,
the things more expensive programs can do. With some very rare
exceptions. There are still some apps that require jfw with
specific scripts to be usable, but as time goes on those apps
will dwindle until there are none left. But for 99 percent of
people, NVDA can work for them, either alone or in combination
with narrator, which has gotten quite good. I don’t really set
much store by such presentations, as the few I’ve bothered to
listen to gloss over the free options as if they’re not there,
are not worth mentioning or aren’t good enough. This applies to
NVDA as well as open source operating systems like Linux. I have
not listened to the presentation people are talking about, so I
don’t want to ruffle any feathers, but as a rule I don’t listen
to them. They tend to unilaterally insist that only the paid
apps are worth using. Except for the NVDA podcasts. Those are
great, although I don’t follow those either. I’m just a user. I
use NVDA on a daily basis and have found very little that it
can’t do. If it can’t navigate an app by the usual methods, tab,
shift tab, arrows, then it can by either touch, if you have a
touch screen or object navigation.Even when I was using Linux
full time I would keep up with NVDA’s progress, and NVDA is what
eventually brought me back to using windows again.
Thanks
Kendell Clark
Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>;
for Windows 10
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> on behalf of
Don H <lmddh50@adams.net <mailto:lmddh50@adams.net>>
*Sent:* Friday, December 22, 2017 6:18:54 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
I think that NVDA is just as good or better than any other screen
reader. I think the issue for businesses is the fact that NVDA
is open
source thus in their minds less secure.

Hi,
One of them is already here. In fact, you’ll find it in NVDA’s keyboard settings dialog.
Cheers,
Joseph
*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Mary Otten
*Sent:* Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:58 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
I really agree with you about the inability to move backwards or forwards a line at a time when continuous reading is invoked. I really really miss that feature a lot coming from window eyes as I have.
Mary
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 23, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>> wrote:
You can't label graphics, you can't create frames and there is no
adjustment of the screen echo.  There is also no way to skip baqck
and forward by line when the screen echo is set to all or when using
read to end and have speech continue.  If these abilities were
present, as far as I know, that would make NVDA as user configurable
as JAWS and Window-eyes.  These are important lacks in NVDA.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:*Adriani Botez <mailto:adriani.botez@gmail.com>
*Sent:*Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:34 PM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
This is not correct. NVDA is well adjustable, even much easier than
jaws.
Von meinem iPhone gesendet
Am 23.12.2017 um 03:47 schrieb Gene <gsasner@ripco.com
<mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>>:
You can't do what I could do when I used Pine with a shell
account a long time ago.  I didn't need to create any frames or
scripts.  All I had to do was set the screen echo of JAWS to
all, open a message, and then use the jaws skip line wile
reading feature, right shift, to very quickly jump to the start
of the message body.  Even if NVDA reads such material when it
appears on screen, you either listen to everything or nothing
and use the tedious read by line screen review option.  Hardly a
convenient or reasonable way to go through thirty e-mails.
Like it or not, NVDA isn't user definable.  You can't label
graphics and you can't create frames.  These are serious
deficiencies even if many of us don't need such options.
And you can't set the screen echo to all and then do what I did,
as I described.  This may be an important ability for some users.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:*coffeekingms@hotmail.com <mailto:coffeekingms@hotmail.com>
*Sent:*Friday, December 22, 2017 7:16 PM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
Hi
I concur. I  firmly believe that NVDA can do most, if not all,
the things more expensive programs can do. With some very rare
exceptions. There are still some apps that require jfw with
specific scripts to be usable, but as time goes on those apps
will dwindle until there are none left. But for 99 percent of
people, NVDA can work for them, either alone or in combination
with narrator, which has gotten quite good. I don’t really set
much store by such presentations, as the few I’ve bothered to
listen to gloss over the free options as if they’re not there,
are not worth mentioning or aren’t good enough. This applies to
NVDA as well as open source operating systems like Linux. I have
not listened to the presentation people are talking about, so I
don’t want to ruffle any feathers, but as a rule I don’t listen
to them. They tend to unilaterally insist that only the paid
apps are worth using. Except for the NVDA podcasts. Those are
great, although I don’t follow those either. I’m just a user. I
use NVDA on a daily basis and have found very little that it
can’t do. If it can’t navigate an app by the usual methods, tab,
shift tab, arrows, then it can by either touch, if you have a
touch screen or object navigation.Even when I was using Linux
full time I would keep up with NVDA’s progress, and NVDA is what
eventually brought me back to using windows again.
Thanks
Kendell Clark
Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>;
for Windows 10
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> on behalf of
Don H <lmddh50@adams.net <mailto:lmddh50@adams.net>>
*Sent:* Friday, December 22, 2017 6:18:54 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
I think that NVDA is just as good or better than any other screen
reader.  I think the issue for businesses is the fact that NVDA
is open
source thus in their minds less secure.

You can't label graphics, you can't create frames and there is no adjustment of the screen echo.  There is also no way to skip baqck and forward by line when the screen echo is set to all or when using read to end and have speech continue.  If these abilities were present, as far as I know, that would make NVDA as user configurable as JAWS and Window-eyes.  These are important lacks in NVDA.

 

Gene 

----- Original Message -----

From: Adriani Botez

Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:34 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed

This is not correct. NVDA is well adjustable, even much easier than jaws.

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 23.12.2017 um 03:47 schrieb Gene <gsasner@...>:

You can't do what I could do when I used Pine with a shell account a long time ago.  I didn't need to create any frames or scripts.  All I had to do was set the screen echo of JAWS to all, open a message, and then use the jaws skip line wile reading feature, right shift, to very quickly jump to the start of the message body.  Even if NVDA reads such material when it appears on screen, you either listen to everything or nothing and use the tedious read by line screen review option.  Hardly a convenient or reasonable way to go through thirty e-mails. 

 

Like it or not, NVDA isn't user definable.  You can't label graphics and you can't create frames.  These are serious deficiencies even if many of us don't need such options.

 

And you can't set the screen echo to all and then do what I did, as I described.  This may be an important ability for some users.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: coffeekingms@...

Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 7:16 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed

Hi

I concur. I  firmly believe that NVDA can do most, if not all, the things more expensive programs can do. With some very rare exceptions. There are still some apps that require jfw with specific scripts to be usable, but as time goes on those apps will dwindle until there are none left. But for 99 percent of people, NVDA can work for them, either alone or in combination with narrator, which has gotten quite good. I don’t really set much store by such presentations, as the few I’ve bothered to listen to gloss over the free options as if they’re not there, are not worth mentioning or aren’t good enough. This applies to NVDA as well as open source operating systems like Linux. I have not listened to the presentation people are talking about, so I don’t want to ruffle any feathers, but as a rule I don’t listen to them. They tend to unilaterally insist that only the paid apps are worth using. Except for the NVDA podcasts. Those are great, although I don’t follow those either. I’m just a user. I use NVDA on a daily basis and have found very little that it can’t do. If it can’t navigate an app by the usual methods, tab, shift tab, arrows, then it can by either touch, if you have a touch screen or object navigation.Even when I was using Linux full time I would keep up with NVDA’s progress, and NVDA is what eventually brought me back to using windows again.

Thanks

Kendell Clark

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

---

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Don H <lmddh50@...>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 6:18:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed

 

I think that NVDA is just as good or better than any other screen
reader.  I think the issue for businesses is the fact that NVDA is open
source thus in their minds less secure.

Hi,
Glad it is fixed. Please flag us down if this happens again.
For reference: can you tell us which add-ons were causing issues?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt Turner
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 1:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Nvda broken?

Hi, I think I've fix it for now.

NVDA 2017.4, Windows 8.1 64 bit.

I've took a look at all the addons I had installed, and removed a few of them.

Starting up windows, NVDA starts up now. after removing said add-ons.


On 12/23/2017 4:24 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,
A few things first:
* Which NVDA version are (or were) you running?
* Which Windows release are you using?
* Do you have any add-ons installed?
Sounds like NVDA has encountered a major problem when trying to load something at startup. The thing is, we need your NVDA log output to determine what's up, and one way to get it is:
1. Open Run dialog (Windows+R).
2. Type "%temp%" (without quotes and exactly as shown) and press Enter.
3. Look for a file named "nvda.log" or "nvdaold.log".
4. Open the file and copy and paste everything you see in the reply.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Matt Turner
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 1:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Nvda broken?

Hi folks.

Every time I try to start up NVDA, I get a airer.

I've uninstalled/ reinstalled, but I still get the same thing.

Even when windows starts up, the sound plays, but nvda still gives and airer.

Narrator reads, airer nvda.exe ok.

I get nothing about checking the nvda log.

Hi,
A few things first:
* Which NVDA version are (or were) you running?
* Which Windows release are you using?
* Do you have any add-ons installed?
Sounds like NVDA has encountered a major problem when trying to load something at startup. The thing is, we need your NVDA log output to determine what's up, and one way to get it is:
1. Open Run dialog (Windows+R).
2. Type "%temp%" (without quotes and exactly as shown) and press Enter.
3. Look for a file named "nvda.log" or "nvdaold.log".
4. Open the file and copy and paste everything you see in the reply.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Matt Turner
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 1:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Nvda broken?

Hi folks.

Every time I try to start up NVDA, I get a airer.

I've uninstalled/ reinstalled, but I still get the same thing.

Even when windows starts up, the sound plays, but nvda still gives and airer.

Narrator reads, airer nvda.exe ok.

I get nothing about checking the nvda log.