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Application key is not functioning properly

silver star siddarth mahajan <siddarthmahajan15@...>
 

Hello members, this is Siddharth here. Basically, I am not much user of nvda, so I will be not using always. Today I'd  just turned on to do some works using nvda, hence I was running an older version, it asked me to update to the latest one. After downloading and installing latest version, my application key is not functioning that how previously it was. If I hit application key on any folder or file, it's not bringing up any options, if I navigate through arrow keys, it simply stays silent. Unfortunately, the same problem is not happening with jaws or narrator at all. So I think there is something to deal with nvda itself.
Tried doing all the basic operations such un  installing, resetting, But it didn't fix the issue. Hoping to hear  from you all, any help would be appreciated. Thanks.


Finding the distance from the edge

Ann Byrne
 

When I tab, NVDA tells me the distance in centimeters from the left edge of the document. Is there a way without tabbing to retrieve this information?

Thx,

Ann


Re: Is there a way, using NVDA, to copy Spotify URI links with the new interface?

Joshua Tubbs
 

Is there an OCR addon for NVDA that's as good as the internal Windows 10 OCR that actually allows you to click things and has support for that? You can click with the current OCR but you can have the same issue you mentioned.

On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 1:19 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
That's my understanding, but there are times when, for reasons I don't know,
the mouse doesn't move at all or to the desired location.  On some web pages
or on some controls on some web pages, I'm not sure what the case is, I
can't move the mouse to the desired location.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Joshua Tubbs
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 11:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Is there a way, using NVDA, to copy Spotify URI links with
the new interface?


Hi all,

I want to use a third-party app that requires me to get a Spotify URI
instead of the main URL.

Those without screen readers mouse over the "copy playlist/track/artist URL
link" option and hold down alt, where it will then change to copying the
URI.

However, I have had issues using NVDA. A mouse hover is like with the NVDA
virtual mouse simply moving a mouse to the object, or at least that's what I
thought it was.

Any help would be appreciated.










NVDA and Transifex

Marco Oros
 

Hello.

I would like to translate one software with Transifex. Maybe You have heard about It, but I don't know, if It is accessible, or no. There is also Audacity translation too.

Which experiences with this project You have?

Thank You.

Best regards

Marco Oros


Re: Is there a way, using NVDA, to copy Spotify URI links with the new interface?

Gene
 

That's my understanding, but there are times when, for reasons I don't know, the mouse doesn't move at all or to the desired location. On some web pages or on some controls on some web pages, I'm not sure what the case is, I can't move the mouse to the desired location.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Joshua Tubbs
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 11:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Is there a way, using NVDA, to copy Spotify URI links with the new interface?


Hi all,

I want to use a third-party app that requires me to get a Spotify URI instead of the main URL.

Those without screen readers mouse over the "copy playlist/track/artist URL link" option and hold down alt, where it will then change to copying the URI.

However, I have had issues using NVDA. A mouse hover is like with the NVDA virtual mouse simply moving a mouse to the object, or at least that's what I thought it was.

Any help would be appreciated.


Is there a way, using NVDA, to copy Spotify URI links with the new interface?

Joshua Tubbs
 

Hi all,

I want to use a third-party app that requires me to get a Spotify URI instead of the main URL.

Those without screen readers mouse over the "copy playlist/track/artist URL link" option and hold down alt, where it will then change to copying the URI.

However, I have had issues using NVDA. A mouse hover is like with the NVDA virtual mouse simply moving a mouse to the object, or at least that's what I thought it was.

Any help would be appreciated.



Re: Detecting misalignment in Microsoft Word tables

 

On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 07:26 PM, Pranav Lal wrote:
I wish NVDA would alert me to badly formatted tables.
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The problem being that "badly formatted" is a subjective thing.  I know what you're asking for, in that I presume you want a table with consistent column width and row height, with the possible exception of the heading row at the top, but there are a number of situations where that sort of regularity would be "bad formatting."  Admittedly a consistency to the table is what is wanted the vast majority of the time, but not always.

I imagine it would be possible for NVDA or any screen reader to report certain aspects, like a "short row" (somehow the height was reduced), or a skinny column (particularly if the content is wider), but it gets really, really tricky to do this.  

There are times where there is no substitute for vision, and when it comes to "pleasing layout" it gets even more complicated.  At some point there may be "designer AI" that can examine this sort of thing, but I don't know of anything even vaguely like that now.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


In-Process 12th February

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

This week's In-Process is out, featuring news of NVDA 2020.4 RC1, a survey to help a user, a walkthrough of using Configuration Profiles, and NVDA community contributor Joseph Lee's TechVB interview


Kind regards

Quentin.

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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: Detecting misalignment in Microsoft Word tables

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Brian,

<snip More detail on step one is needed.  Using the Insert Table command (ALT+N,T,I), what is in the combo box next to the radio button you've chosen for fixed width?
PL] auto.

<snip My guess is that you want a tidy table where the column width for a given column is that of the widest item in that column (provided you're not dealing with text that is very long), and the easiest way to get that is to choose Autofit to contents rather than fixed width.
PL] Ah many thanks and thanks for the information about the office accessibility mailing list.

 

You have given me a solution to the problem of creating tables which is crucial. However, I wish NVDA would alert me to badly formatted tables.

 

Pranav


Re: NVDA and Outlook messages

Richard Wells
 

With Thunderbird latest (not beta) I am able to browse headings in Steve's message just as Brian describes.

On 2/11/2021 10:20 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Steve,

           I can't say what someone may experience in Outlook (or any other email client) since I read from the web interface.  But the H command in browse mode is landing me exactly where you'd expect, on the lines you state are headings in that message, when I'm reading your message via the web interface.

           Others will have to report what is occurring in their respective email clients when in the message, as HTML formatted messages should be "browsable" just like a web page is, and the commands should work the same way.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: List of shortcut keys for office 365 web interface?

 

Luke,

            Could you please clarify the following?  The outset of your message makes it sound like the context is the online versions of the Office suite programs, and difficulty using them.  That part's clear.  And it seems you might be asking about shortcut keys related to those, but maybe not.

             But you then ask about opening a document (by which I take it to mean any one of the various programs' specific file types) in its corresponding desktop app, and I get the impression that you believe this can be a sort of "flip it out of online and into desktop" with no intervening steps kind of affair.  would that be correct?

              See this page from the University of Colorado at Boulder, Office of Information Technology:  Office 365 - Accessibility of Office Online
What follows seems to fill the bill with regard to "flipping into desktop Excel/Word/Powerpoint" from Office online, but there's other useful information as well:

Open with Office for desktop

Every Office Online file can be opened in its corresponding Office desktop program, by selecting Edit in (application name) from the Edit menu. To open your file with your desktop software using your keyboard:

  1. Press Tab until you get to the Edit menu.
  2. Press the Enter key.
  3. Choose the Edit in (application name) option.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


List of shortcut keys for office 365 web interface?

Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...>
 

Hi

I’ve poked around online but can only seem to find keyboard shortcuts for the desktop versions of Microsoft 365 office apps. I find the web versions of Excel, Word and PowerPoint to be difficult to use with a screen reader and I’m hoping somebody can point me toward a clear, concise list of useful shortcut keys. At the top of the list would simply be a keyboard shortcut for opening a document in its corresponding desktop app. As it is, I have to tab around and use different browse mode commands to find the button that allows you to do that.

Thanks!
Luke


Re: NVDA crashes when trying to forward Outlook messages

 

On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 01:18 PM, Janet Brandly wrote:
About the Outlook message I tried to forward, it turns out that I accidentally mistyped the recipient’s address
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We all fat-finger on occasion!!   But that still doesn't explain an NVDA crash, particularly if you can reliably trigger same.  If you can, that's when careful information collection becomes critical.
 
If it was a one time fluke, then you just move along with life.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


locked Re: Announcement Only: This Moderator's Expectations of Group Members #adminnotice

 
Edited

On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 01:14 PM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
Anyone, of any skill level, is welcome to post to this group.
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And I'm repeating this to reinforce it.  At the same time, if you are a complete neophyte, completely confused about something, or similar please do not hesitate to say so.  That's how your potential assistants can determine exactly how to assist you.

When you're helping someone you know (or have every reason to believe, if they've given no other information) is not a rank beginner with something you'll most likely give much more abbreviated information with much less "hand holding."

I don't presume that anyone who's joined one of these lists is likely to be a rank beginner, in any sense, because getting to the stage where you even join forums or email lists is "not beginner" for most.  It would be silly to presume that.  But if you are, there's no shame in saying that, and, in fact, there's value to saying that, both for yourself and your potential assistants.

We are here to serve everyone, and I think the track record of this group over the years proves that we do.

But I still ask that even complete beginners, to the extent that they can, think carefully about the subject they use in their messages, which becomes the topic.  That's often a "one shot deal" that, if vague, means you'll get far less assistance than you might have.  Try to give as clear a picture as you can about the assistance being sought with that subject.  Subjects like, "Help Me!," are really, really not useful to anyone.  Subjects like, "What's the NVDA command to {do whatever}," or, "I need help with getting NVDA to work with {insert Braille Display name here}," by contrast, are very, very helpful.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: NVDA crashes when trying to forward Outlook messages

Janet Brandly
 

Hi Brian,

 

I will definitely check this out. About the Outlook message I tried to forward, it turns out that I accidentally mistyped the recipient’s address, LOL.

 

Janet

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: February 11, 2021 10:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA crashes when trying to forward Outlook messages

 

Janet,

           Whether or not you're someone possibly inclined to Creating an Issue in GitHub for NVDA, it's still really helpful to be able to collect the information that an "under the hood" assistant would need for this kind of issue.

            Near the very end of the above mentioned tutorial is a direct link to the one specific to setting NVDA up to collect detailed information about a crash: Collecting NVDA Debugging Information to Report to NVAccess

             Please consider doing that collection, then putting aside a copy of the NVDA log so that you can share it with someone skilled enough to interpret it.  That makes getting to the root of what's happening much easier.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


locked Re: Announcement Only: This Moderator's Expectations of Group Members #adminnotice

Nimer Jaber
 

Hello everyone,

I have a couple of things to add to this thread.

Anyone, of any skill level, is welcome to post to this group. If you have a question, it is appropriate of Brian to request that you do a bit of research before asking your question, and this is indeed, the expectation on many forums. It is also okay to say that you are new, you don't know how to search, you are a beginner computer user, etc., and you will be assisted gladly.
I repeat what I said a month ago or so. No matter what someone's vision level is, they are welcomed here, and will be treated with courteous respect. Vision should not be what divides us.
When we lock a thread, it is not because we don't wish to hear or address feedback. It is because often times, a topic has run its course, or a topic is best discussed elsewhere. Rarely, we may lock a thread which may be more technical in nature, even if it does pertain to NVDA, because that question is better discussed on a developer list, add-ons list, etc. We can all guide one another to resources wherever possible, which may be better suited to a query, and we can all make better use of the NVDA chat list for discussions not relevant to NVDA.
We have not removed anyone from the list for not doing research beforehand, or sending us feedback to the owner address, or whatever else, and we haven't restricted posting permissions, either. Netiquette is important to follow, but should not be the reason that you do not ask a question or seek assistance.
Finally, yesterday's events bothered me not because of the feedback provided, not because I don't want to hear feedback, but because of the manner it was delivered. It is never okay to restart a thread which has been locked, never okay to call out someone publicly acting in a moderator position on pretty much any forum or list, and certainly never okay to do so twice in one day.

I believe that many of the rules that Brian posted are common sense rules that apply to any forum on the web. Not quite as serious as flaming/posting about illegal software or posting pornography, but serious enough that, if not observed, there is a cause of annoyance for many, a cause for legitimate messages to be missed because of excess noise, and a cause of members who may ordinarily be here to choose to leave. I repeat, nobody has been removed for not doing research ahead of time, or even for re-opening a locked thread, but I ask that you consider your actions, intent, and whether what you have to say is NVDA/related, has been asked before recently, may be something easily discovered, and is something that should go out to the inbox of over 1300 members. I am not downplaying the seriousness of Brian's message, and he continues to enjoy my full support. I am, however, stating that nobody should be worried about whether or not they should be posting to the list, so long as messages follow list guidelines/rules. If you'd like a more relaxed place to ask questions about any topic, definitely check out the chat subgroup, and understand that this group will remain focused on the discussion of NVDA.

If you disagree with anything written by me or Brian, please reach out to nvda+owner@nvda.groups.io so that we can have an off-list cup of tea and chat about your concerns.


Re: NVDA crashes when trying to forward Outlook messages

 

Janet,

           Whether or not you're someone possibly inclined to Creating an Issue in GitHub for NVDA, it's still really helpful to be able to collect the information that an "under the hood" assistant would need for this kind of issue.

            Near the very end of the above mentioned tutorial is a direct link to the one specific to setting NVDA up to collect detailed information about a crash: Collecting NVDA Debugging Information to Report to NVAccess

             Please consider doing that collection, then putting aside a copy of the NVDA log so that you can share it with someone skilled enough to interpret it.  That makes getting to the root of what's happening much easier.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


locked Announcement Only: This Moderator's Expectations of Group Members #adminnotice

 

I have actually been shocked at what has occurred over the last day.  When it comes to membership in a group, and in specific regard to group rules, there are the written ones that get sent out to all new members, there are clarifications and sometimes additions in the form of Admin Notices, and there are actually "unwritten rules" that are a part of the culture of any online community (or real life community, for that matter).  Those who are new to a place really cannot have as yet absorbed that last category, so they do get some slack, but "old timers" really do not and should not.  If you've been around for even a single episode like the one that just occurred, and several participants in same have been, then you clearly know what's coming, why it's going to come, and why you deserve to be called-out for what you've done.  No owner or moderator should ever have to apologize for applying group rules and conventions as evenhandedly as they can.  Sometimes that actually means focusing on something that's been "allowed to slide for too long."  It doesn't matter if administration has been lax, which I can't imagine most ever accusing me of, if they decide that they want to "tighten things up."  That's a legitimate part of their role.

What follows are a set of expectations I have of members anywhere I moderate.  Seeing as I have been a moderator for many years now, and in many venues, I have plenty of real life experience and evidence that not a single one of these is an unreasonable expectation.  And none of them have anything to do with the fact that I can see, or someone else can't.  While certain among them may be more challenging for a screen reader user than someone like myself who is fully sighted, they are far from impossible.  Most are not even difficult.
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Here are the things I expect from members of any online community, and every one I moderate, in the year 2021:

1.        You remember that everyone who is a member of the group is here by their own choice, and that help provided is on a volunteer basis.  That means that there could be a significant time delay between when a question is asked and when it may be answered.  It also may not be answered, this happens.  When a question is not answered, it’s because no one knows the answer, not because it wasn’t seen.  Please don’t ask again hours later or the next day.  If it hasn’t been answered after two days, you can bump the message, one time.

2.       If you receive a message/see a post that is not applicable to you the moment you encounter it, but that you know will be applicable to you in the near future, e.g., messages about how to tweak Windows 10 settings back to “classic” when Microsoft changes something, that you will file them where you can find them later.  You are supposed to be paying attention to all information shared, and being proactive about your own needs.  Things asked and answered once should not need to be asked and answered again in short order.  While many topics tend to reappear after long spans of time, they shouldn’t reappear very quickly.

3.       You are capable of doing a web search and/or a group archive search and will do so if you did not file information you know you’ve seen previously.

4.      You will have done a web search and/or group archive search before posting almost any question, because the vast majority of questions relevant to online communities have been answered, repeatedly.  It is rude to impose upon the time of hundreds to thousands of people regarding questions that have answers that can be found independently with very little effort and basic skills.

5.       If you are told, “There’s this thing called a web search,” or, “Google is your friend,” or similar that you realize you deserve it.  I have yet to see this response to anything that does not warrant it.  If you ask something that indicates you didn’t follow the practices outlined in items 2 thru 4, before asking online and imposing on the time of others when that’s completely unnecessary, this is a perfectly legitimate response to that.  You’ve been lazy and rude; don’t repeat that mistake.

6.      If you receive a reaction such as those in #5 above, the appropriate response is NEVER to argue back.  The one and only response that is appropriate, if you actually do not have the skills to do your own searching, is to ask for assistance in acquiring same, period.  Believe it or not, those who gave that reaction to you will very often be your best assistants in acquiring the skills you need.  That reaction is meant as a nudge to you to acquire them.

7.       When you ask a question, you think carefully about what you put as your subject/topic title.  These should give a clear, very clear, indication about the nature of the question or questions about to be asked.  And if it happens to be one of those occasions where it’s a “laundry list” of questions then indicate such in your subject/topic title.

8.      You will not post the exact same question to multiple groups or forums at the same time.  A very great many members of any one tech community are members of many others, and they don’t need or want to see the same question in twenty places.  Ask sequentially, if you don’t get a message after asking in one place, and waiting a few hours to a day, at a minimum, before asking elsewhere.  If you want to know why a very great many in the cyber world do not consider multi/cross posting to be at all acceptable, then read:  On Posting to More Than One Online Support Forum for the Same Issue – AKA Forum Cross Posting.  The principles apply whether it’s online forums or email lists or both involved.

9.      That you read, absorb, and accept the following:

It is impossible to help individuals who will not listen to advice unless they like that advice. Being a good assistant is not about making the person assisted "feel good," but about both asking the right (and sometimes hard) questions as well as giving the information necessary to achieve the desired result. Getting help is a two-way street, and those asking for help have work they must do, too, when asked. They also need to be ready to let go of what they'd like to do, and instead do what's been asked for by the person offering assistance.

               Those receiving assistance are free to reject advice, you are also entitled to ask for clarification, but if you don’t want to do what your assistant is asking, then state that so that you can both can move along.  Assistants have every right to assist as they see fit, and those being assisted to either follow or reject the option(s) presented.  An assistant is within their rights to withdraw support at any time, for any reason.

10.    That a group owner’s role, and the moderator’s role, is to enforce whatever group rules are in place at any given time.  You do not have to like the rules, and you have every right to present a case for a change in rules via the correct channel, which is not in public, but whatever those are at the given moment in time apply to you and to everyone else.

11.      That if you cannot accept all of the above, and act accordingly, you withdraw from the community or communities where that’s the case.  No one forced you to join, no one can force you to stay, and no owner or moderator wants to constantly have to deal with behaviors that violate the rules of their community.  We’re all adults, and should behave as such.

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Please bear all of those in mind.  Please also don't ask that I include them in the Welcome Message or Monthly Notice, as those messages are long already, and core rules would get buried even further.

Not everything has to be in the rule list sent out when you join a group, just core rules.  Other things, like the above, when clearly stated by someone in an administrative role, hold equal weight, and are a legitimate part of moderation decisions.

Since this message is an announcement, it is now locked.  If you wish to take up anything about it, the correct mechanism for doing so is to send a message to the NVDA Group Owner Address, nvda+owner@nvda.groups.io, and to make your case.  Messages that are rants, and all of you here know what actually constitutes a rant, are not making a cogent case about something, and will be ignored, at least by me.
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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


NVDA crashes when trying to forward Outlook messages

Janet Brandly
 

Hello,

 

Just FYI, The most recent RC version of NVDA crashes sometimes when trying to forward messages in Outlook. These are often ads/notices for things like virtual concerts etc. so there are probably a lot of pictures/graphics. If you like, I can send a sample message which crashed NVDA.

 

Thanks,

 

Janet


Re: NVDA and Outlook messages

 

On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 11:47 AM, Gene wrote:
Its worth trying. I don't know if it will solve the problem but it may make some things work better. This may account, in part, for why others aren't describing the same problem
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I'm not contesting anything you've said.  If that does turn out to be true, there is another problem, because there is no reason that something designed to make Win10 Apps and controls more accessible should have any influence whatsoever when those are not what's being used.  It suggests "something's off" if it fixes a problem outside its intended scope.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 

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