Re: Eloquence and NVDA

Rui Fontes

From Code Factory, of course...

They are the Nuance resellers for our market.

Rui Fontes

Tiflotecnia, Lda.

Às 17:42 de 09/06/2020, Greg Wocher escreveu:

Hello,
I did not know that Tiflotecnia sold a version of eloquence. Where do you get it?

Greg Wocher

On Jun 9, 2020, at 10:34 AM, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:

Yes, my company also sells Vocalizer Expressive for NVDA and Eloquence for Windows (SAPI5).

Our Vocalizer product is different from the one from CodeFactory, despite using the same voices.

Rui Fontes

Tiflotecnia, Lda.

Às 11:52 de 09/06/2020, Gene escreveu:
I believe there is another company making the voices available.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
-----Original Message----- From: Marquette, Ed
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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io ; the.gems@...
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence and NVDA

Let me encourage you to beware of CodeFactory.

I bought the CodeFactory Eloquence about two years ago from CodeFactory, mostly because I had become used to Eloquence with JAWS.

After installing and reinstalling it without success, our IT Department (and we have over 1,000 employees and an IT staff of over 20 people), CodeFactory’s technical support just said “Sorry.”

Certainly, our level of security is higher than most, but for technical support simply to give up and not even offer a refund left our IT Department and me amazed. What kind of organization does that?

It was only $30, but for me, it is a matter of integrity. I might have refused an offer of a refund, but not even to offer one spoke volumes to me about the integrity of the organization. I’m happy with Microsoft’s One Core voices. In fact, when I use JAWS with Eloquence, it is just a bit unpleasant now. From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes via groups.io Sent: Friday, June 5, 2020 5:30 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io; the.gems@... Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence and NVDA [ CAUTION - EXTERNAL SENDER ] Hello! In private and to the group. You can use the SAPI5 version of Eloquence or the NVDA add-on sold by CodeFactory. As the NVDA add-on have a bad sound on some systems, I recommend to test the add-on or buy the SAPI5 version... Rui Fontes Tiflotecnia, Lda. Às 23:22 de 05/06/2020, Grant Metcalf escreveu: I am wondering if the Eloquence voices will work with NVDA? I prefer the voice bryan and hope it will work. Please answer me directly if possible. Grant Metcalf Email: the.gems@... This E-mail message is confidential, is intended only for the named recipients above and may contain information that is privileged, attorney work product or otherwise protected by applicable law. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at 402-346-6000 and delete this E-mail message. Thank you. Re: Eloquence and NVDA Greg Wocher Hello, I did not know that Tiflotecnia sold a version of eloquence. Where do you get it? Greg Wocher On Jun 9, 2020, at 10:34 AM, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote: Yes, my company also sells Vocalizer Expressive for NVDA and Eloquence for Windows (SAPI5). Our Vocalizer product is different from the one from CodeFactory, despite using the same voices. Rui Fontes Tiflotecnia, Lda. Às 11:52 de 09/06/2020, Gene escreveu: I believe there is another company making the voices available. Gene ----- Original Message ----- -----Original Message----- From: Marquette, Ed Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2020 8:25 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io ; the.gems@... Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence and NVDA Let me encourage you to beware of CodeFactory. I bought the CodeFactory Eloquence about two years ago from CodeFactory, mostly because I had become used to Eloquence with JAWS. After installing and reinstalling it without success, our IT Department (and we have over 1,000 employees and an IT staff of over 20 people), CodeFactory’s technical support just said “Sorry.” Certainly, our level of security is higher than most, but for technical support simply to give up and not even offer a refund left our IT Department and me amazed. What kind of organization does that? It was only$30, but for me, it is a matter of integrity. I might have refused an offer of a refund, but not even to offer one spoke volumes to me about the integrity of the organization.

I’m happy with Microsoft’s One Core voices. In fact, when I use JAWS with Eloquence, it is just a bit unpleasant now.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes via groups.io
Sent: Friday, June 5, 2020 5:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io; the.gems@...
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence and NVDA

[ CAUTION - EXTERNAL SENDER ]

Hello! In private and to the group.

You can use the SAPI5 version of Eloquence or the NVDA add-on sold by CodeFactory.

As the NVDA add-on have a bad sound on some systems, I recommend to test the add-on or buy the SAPI5 version...

Rui Fontes

Tiflotecnia, Lda.

Às 23:22 de 05/06/2020, Grant Metcalf escreveu:

I am wondering if the Eloquence voices will work with NVDA? I prefer the voice bryan and hope it will work. Please answer me directly if possible.

Grant Metcalf

Email: the.gems@...

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Re: Eloquence and NVDA

On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 11:55 AM, Grant Metcalf wrote:
the version on the BHP website was corrupted.
No surprise there.  The so-called Blind Help Project mailing list was shut down on Groups.io because virtually every piece of software that was being discussed, and hosted by them, was cracked software.  Patently illegal, morally reprehensible, and in direct violation of Groups.io Terms of Service.

Theft is theft.

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Eloquence and NVDA

Grant Metcalf

I was able to get help installing the NVDA and Eloquence on my Win10 PC created by David CM, although the version on the BHP website was corrupted. A subscriber and contributer to the list, Luke Davis, resolved all my issues. It seems to be working well so far.
Cordially yours, and
Listening for HIS shout!
Grant Metcalf

Re: Stop NVDA from automatically reading media on webpages

Gene

This solution might not be as good as one or two others offered, but you may find it useful.

That's an interesting question. It may be what is known as a live region. As far as I know, NVDA doesn't support not automatically reading live regions. I don't know about other screen-readers, But in such a case, I would suggest the following if you only want to rread content.
Select the entire page with control a and paste it to the clipboard. Open Notepad and paste it. Then look for the beginning of the article, if your screen-reader doesn't allow you to stop automatic reading of live regions.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Justin Harford
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2020 11:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Stop NVDA from automatically reading media on webpages

Hello

I'm not sure the subject line accurately describes my issue, but it seems like there are webpages today that have content that automatically refreshes and changes. \unitone \left( \r2\mathbb{\usepckage{times 9 it appears to be used for advertising or promoting a website's publications. NVDA }}i\aght) automatically reads this content, and it often interrupts my reading of the articles themselves. Here is an example of a webpage: https://www.lovefood.com/recipes/60477/denis-cotters-black-bean-soup-with-chocolate-and-chillies

As I tried to read the recipe, the screenreader is also reading some sort of a flash object that is promoting other articles. Is there a way to stop this? It seems like either I should be able to stop the screenreader from announcing this, or I should be able to stop Google Chrome from displaying it. I have used ad blockers in the past, but it seems like many webpages now will not allow you to access their resources if you are using an ad blocker, so I wonder if there is some other tool that I could use.

Regards
Justin

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Re: sends the contents of the clipboard to the remote machine

Sarah k Alawami

It exists in team viewer. My agent pulled a web address from my browser's address into her computer's clipboard then we did what we needed to do. This was with the latest team viewer what ever that is.. I don't even look at that but you can try it with the latest from their website.

Good luck.

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On 9 Jun 2020, at 7:50, Brian Vogel wrote:

Chris,

To clarify, I am talking about remote support utilities in general with that statement, not NVDA Remote specifically, as you are correct and it has already been established in the course of this topic that pushing clipboard text contents from one side, and then pulling via paste on the other, is supported by NVDA Remote.

It's a function I'd love to have in, say, Microsoft Quick Assist, but it does not exist.  It's been quite a while since I last used TeamViewer, but I don't recall it existing there, either, with regard to the clipboard.  File sharing/transfer is a completely separate issue.

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Re: sends the contents of the clipboard to the remote machine

Sarah k Alawami

Yes, that has a time limit per ssessioin. Since the aira folks's sessions and ours sometimes can be an our or two in some cases, they need the paid version while we do not. It's like zoom in that aspect.

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On 8 Jun 2020, at 22:28, zahra wrote:

teamviewer has also a free version for non commercial use.

On 6/9/20, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

Team viewer does do this. But the price model is kind of high if this
is what you want to do this, so I would file on their github page and
see where it ttakes you, and post a link here when you do to the issue
page.

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On 8 Jun 2020, at 14:38, Kevin Cussick via groups.io wrote:

Hi, no I must admit I have not. but did ask on this list some years
ago and one of the devs said this is not needed. I think they said use
team viewer this does this. I do not know if it does or not? I just
know nvda remote does not do this and I and others wished it could.

On 08/06/2020 21:38, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Have you filed an issue on their github if they have one/ if so what
has then their response? I know with team viewer It's text only if I
recall, as it was only text that they copied over from my address bar
to theirs.

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On 8 Jun 2020, at 13:23, Kevin Cussick via groups.io wrote:

thanks look for posting.

On 07/06/2020 05:14, Luke Davis wrote:

On Sat, 6 Jun 2020, Kevin Cussick via groups.io wrote:

Hi, this only works with text right? You can not
copy a
file from local machine and send it to the remote
machine?

I have not tried it with graphical content or other formatted
type text or data.
I have transferred word documents this way, by opening them
on
the remote, selecting all, copying, sending it to the
control,
and pasting into another word document on my local machine.

A pain, but it works.

And if there is a MIME encoder (or UU Encoder) on the remote,
any file could be losslessly converted to text and moved this
way. But that is a lot of effort.

Luke

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Re: sends the contents of the clipboard to the remote machine

Chris,

To clarify, I am talking about remote support utilities in general with that statement, not NVDA Remote specifically, as you are correct and it has already been established in the course of this topic that pushing clipboard text contents from one side, and then pulling via paste on the other, is supported by NVDA Remote.

It's a function I'd love to have in, say, Microsoft Quick Assist, but it does not exist.  It's been quite a while since I last used TeamViewer, but I don't recall it existing there, either, with regard to the clipboard.  File sharing/transfer is a completely separate issue.

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Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

Re: Unable to work with Word documents directly from Dropbox?

Gerardo Corripio

Yes that fixed the issue! Thanks a bunch!

Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10

De: hasan tayyem
Enviado: martes, 9 de junio de 2020 09:12 a. m.
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: Re: [nvda] Unable to work with Word documents directly from Dropbox?

Hello,

I will briefly explaining to you what you have to do to fix this problem.

Firstly, open your Dropbox preferences, go to the General tab,

Then press tab four times until you here dropbox Badge, set it to never show down.

Press OK and you would be done.

Yours Faithfully.

(Hasan Tayem)

Mobile: +962788266670

On Jun 9, 2020, at 4:47 PM, Gerardo Corripio <gera1027@...> wrote:

﻿

I’ve several files in a shared Dropbox folder, using the latest office 2019 with latest NVDA, and am unable to when pressing Enter on the files or file to work with it, to get the focus away from a Popup that says Dropbox, thus if I could, it’d allow me to as usual, work and navigate through the files in question. I tried Maxing via Alt+space but no luck! Also I’ve tried Control+f4, but that closes the Word document in question!

Is this an NVDA problem,or how can I get rid of the Dropbox icon that’s supposedly blocking NVDA to gain focus? Hope I made sense.

Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10

Re: sends the contents of the clipboard to the remote machine

Chris Mullins

Hi Brian

I’m confused by your remark:

“But having text be pushable from one side of the remote session to the other using the clipboard is impossible in many instances, and remains so.  I was just working with someone across the country with an Outlook VBA issue, and I could not cut the script text (or parts of it) on my end and paste it there (which is what would have typically made the most sense if we were not talking a remote session).”

NVDA Remote does facilitate the pushing of clipboard text, it’s the copying of whole files by simply selecting a filename that cannot be done via NVDA Remote.

Cheers

Chris

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: 09 June 2020 00:29
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] sends the contents of the clipboard to the remote machine

On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 04:22 PM, Kevin Cussick wrote:

but if I want to install a program on the remote machine I can not go from local machine copy a file switch over to the remote machine and paste the file over.

I do want to comment directly on this.  At one time, before the ubiquity of cloud drive access, this would have been a lot more necessary than it is now.

If I know I will be needing or wanting to transfer files between two machines during a remote session, I can easily open something in Google Drive, or Amazon S3 storage, or OneDrive on each side that is accessing the very same folder where I can cut from my local machine and paste to cloud storage (or upload to cloud storage, it really depends on the exact interface being used) and where I can do the converse on the other end.

Moving files between machines has probably never been easier than it is now with the myriad of cloud storage options available, a very great many of them free.
But having text be pushable from one side of the remote session to the other using the clipboard is
But having text be pushable from one side of the remote session to the other using the clipboard is impossible in many instances, and remains so.  I was just working with someone across the country with an Outlook VBA issue, and I could not cut the script text (or parts of it) on my end and paste it there (which is what would have typically made the most sense if we were not talking a remote session).  I had to e-mail several different things so that I could actually copy and paste them on the remote side, as there was no other way to get them there otherwise.

Mind you, had I been really desperate to have repeated, ongoing, exchange of text I would probably create a file on cloud storage that I could open on either end and paste text in to it on the source side and copy it out on the target side and do with it what was needed.  But that's still a lot less convenient than being able to copy to the clipboard and hit a command to say, "push the contents of my clipboard to the remote side,"  and have a way to just paste on that side.

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Re: Eloquence and NVDA

Rui Fontes

Yes, my company also sells Vocalizer Expressive for NVDA and Eloquence for Windows (SAPI5).

Our Vocalizer product is different from the one from CodeFactory, despite using the same voices.

Rui Fontes

Tiflotecnia, Lda.

Às 11:52 de 09/06/2020, Gene escreveu:

I believe there is another company making the voices available.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
-----Original Message----- From: Marquette, Ed
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2020 8:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io ; the.gems@...
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence and NVDA

Let me encourage you to beware of CodeFactory.

I bought the CodeFactory Eloquence about two years ago from CodeFactory, mostly because I had become used to Eloquence with JAWS.

After installing and reinstalling it without success, our IT Department (and we have over 1,000 employees and an IT staff of over 20 people), CodeFactory’s technical support just said “Sorry.”

Certainly, our level of security is higher than most, but for technical support simply to give up and not even offer a refund left our IT Department and me amazed.  What kind of organization does that?

It was only $30, but for me, it is a matter of integrity. I might have refused an offer of a refund, but not even to offer one spoke volumes to me about the integrity of the organization. I’m happy with Microsoft’s One Core voices. In fact, when I use JAWS with Eloquence, it is just a bit unpleasant now. From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes via groups.io Sent: Friday, June 5, 2020 5:30 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io; the.gems@... Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence and NVDA [ CAUTION - EXTERNAL SENDER ] Hello! In private and to the group. You can use the SAPI5 version of Eloquence or the NVDA add-on sold by CodeFactory. As the NVDA add-on have a bad sound on some systems, I recommend to test the add-on or buy the SAPI5 version... Rui Fontes Tiflotecnia, Lda. Às 23:22 de 05/06/2020, Grant Metcalf escreveu: I am wondering if the Eloquence voices will work with NVDA? I prefer the voice bryan and hope it will work. Please answer me directly if possible. Grant Metcalf Email: the.gems@... This E-mail message is confidential, is intended only for the named recipients above and may contain information that is privileged, attorney work product or otherwise protected by applicable law. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at 402-346-6000 and delete this E-mail message. Thank you. Re: Unable to work with Word documents directly from Dropbox? Louis Maher Hello To make the Windows Dropbox client act like file explorer: Type windows B go to dropbox, hit enter, the context menu appears. go to preferences, you are in General, tab to: "when starting dropbox go to the desktop app: uncheck this, tab twice, "badge" do not use that, tab twice to "open folders in" change to file explorer. use “alt + down arrow” for pulldown, hit enter until you leave the dialog. --- Regards Louis Maher Phone: 713-444-7838 E-mail ljmaher03@... From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerardo Corripio Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 8:47 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Unable to work with Word documents directly from Dropbox? I’ve several files in a shared Dropbox folder, using the latest office 2019 with latest NVDA, and am unable to when pressing Enter on the files or file to work with it, to get the focus away from a Popup that says Dropbox, thus if I could, it’d allow me to as usual, work and navigate through the files in question. I tried Maxing via Alt+space but no luck! Also I’ve tried Control+f4, but that closes the Word document in question! Is this an NVDA problem,or how can I get rid of the Dropbox icon that’s supposedly blocking NVDA to gain focus? Hope I made sense. Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10 Re: Unable to work with Word documents directly from Dropbox? Hello, I will briefly explaining to you what you have to do to fix this problem. Firstly, open your Dropbox preferences, go to the General tab, Then press tab four times until you here dropbox Badge, set it to never show down. Press OK and you would be done. Yours Faithfully. (Hasan Tayem) Mobile: +962788266670 On Jun 9, 2020, at 4:47 PM, Gerardo Corripio <gera1027@...> wrote: ﻿ I’ve several files in a shared Dropbox folder, using the latest office 2019 with latest NVDA, and am unable to when pressing Enter on the files or file to work with it, to get the focus away from a Popup that says Dropbox, thus if I could, it’d allow me to as usual, work and navigate through the files in question. I tried Maxing via Alt+space but no luck! Also I’ve tried Control+f4, but that closes the Word document in question! Is this an NVDA problem,or how can I get rid of the Dropbox icon that’s supposedly blocking NVDA to gain focus? Hope I made sense. Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10 Re: Unable to work with Word documents directly from Dropbox? Rui Fontes Hello! In Dropbox preferences, set: "Show Dropbox as a save location in Microsoft Office" to not checked and "Dropbox Badge" to "Never show" I think it will eliminate your problem... Rui Fontes Às 14:46 de 09/06/2020, Gerardo Corripio escreveu: I’ve several files in a shared Dropbox folder, using the latest office 2019 with latest NVDA, and am unable to when pressing Enter on the files or file to work with it, to get the focus away from a Popup that says Dropbox, thus if I could, it’d allow me to as usual, work and navigate through the files in question. I tried Maxing via Alt+space but no luck! Also I’ve tried Control+f4, but that closes the Word document in question! Is this an NVDA problem,or how can I get rid of the Dropbox icon that’s supposedly blocking NVDA to gain focus? Hope I made sense. Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10 Unable to work with Word documents directly from Dropbox? Gerardo Corripio I’ve several files in a shared Dropbox folder, using the latest office 2019 with latest NVDA, and am unable to when pressing Enter on the files or file to work with it, to get the focus away from a Popup that says Dropbox, thus if I could, it’d allow me to as usual, work and navigate through the files in question. I tried Maxing via Alt+space but no luck! Also I’ve tried Control+f4, but that closes the Word document in question! Is this an NVDA problem,or how can I get rid of the Dropbox icon that’s supposedly blocking NVDA to gain focus? Hope I made sense. Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10 Re: Eloquence and NVDA Gene I believe there is another company making the voices available. Gene ----- Original Message ----- -----Original Message----- From: Marquette, Ed Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2020 8:25 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io ; the.gems@... Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence and NVDA Let me encourage you to beware of CodeFactory. I bought the CodeFactory Eloquence about two years ago from CodeFactory, mostly because I had become used to Eloquence with JAWS. After installing and reinstalling it without success, our IT Department (and we have over 1,000 employees and an IT staff of over 20 people), CodeFactory’s technical support just said “Sorry.” Certainly, our level of security is higher than most, but for technical support simply to give up and not even offer a refund left our IT Department and me amazed. What kind of organization does that? It was only$30, but for me, it is a matter of integrity. I might have refused an offer of a refund, but not even to offer one spoke volumes to me about the integrity of the organization.

I’m happy with Microsoft’s One Core voices. In fact, when I use JAWS with Eloquence, it is just a bit unpleasant now.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes via groups.io
Sent: Friday, June 5, 2020 5:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io; the.gems@...
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence and NVDA

[ CAUTION - EXTERNAL SENDER ]

Hello! In private and to the group.

You can use the SAPI5 version of Eloquence or the NVDA add-on sold by CodeFactory.

As the NVDA add-on have a bad sound on some systems, I recommend to test the add-on or buy the SAPI5 version...

Rui Fontes

Tiflotecnia, Lda.

Às 23:22 de 05/06/2020, Grant Metcalf escreveu:

I am wondering if the Eloquence voices will work with NVDA? I prefer the voice bryan and hope it will work. Please answer me directly if possible.

Grant Metcalf

Email: the.gems@...

This E-mail message is confidential, is intended only for the named recipients above and may contain information that is privileged, attorney work product or otherwise protected by applicable law. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at 402-346-6000 and delete this E-mail message. Thank you.

Re: sends the contents of the clipboard to the remote machine

teamviewer has also a free version for non commercial use.

On 6/9/20, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
Team viewer does do this. But the price model is kind of high if this
is what you want to do this, so I would file on their github page and
see where it ttakes you, and post a link here when you do to the issue
page.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our
[website.](http://www.tffppodcast.com)

to subscribe to the feed click [here](http://feeds.feedburner.com/tffp)

Our [discord](http://discord.tffppodcast.com) is where you will know
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On 8 Jun 2020, at 14:38, Kevin Cussick via groups.io wrote:

Hi, no I must admit I have not. but did ask on this list some years
ago and one of the devs said this is not needed. I think they said use
team viewer this does this. I do not know if it does or not? I just
know nvda remote does not do this and I and others wished it could.

On 08/06/2020 21:38, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Have you filed an issue on their github if they have one/ if so what
has then their response? I know with team viewer It's text only if I
recall, as it was only text that they copied over from my address bar
to theirs.

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On 8 Jun 2020, at 13:23, Kevin Cussick via groups.io wrote:

thanks look for posting.

On 07/06/2020 05:14, Luke Davis wrote:

On Sat, 6 Jun 2020, Kevin Cussick via groups.io wrote:

Hi, this only works with text right? You can not
copy a
file from local machine and send it to the remote
machine?

I have not tried it with graphical content or other formatted
type text or data.
I have transferred word documents this way, by opening them
on
the remote, selecting all, copying, sending it to the
control,
and pasting into another word document on my local machine.

A pain, but it works.

And if there is a MIME encoder (or UU Encoder) on the remote,
any file could be losslessly converted to text and moved this
way. But that is a lot of effort.

Luke

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Re: sends the contents of the clipboard to the remote machine

On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 04:22 PM, Kevin Cussick wrote:
but if I want to install a program on the remote machine I can not go from local machine copy a file switch over to the remote machine and paste the file over.
I do want to comment directly on this.  At one time, before the ubiquity of cloud drive access, this would have been a lot more necessary than it is now.

If I know I will be needing or wanting to transfer files between two machines during a remote session, I can easily open something in Google Drive, or Amazon S3 storage, or OneDrive on each side that is accessing the very same folder where I can cut from my local machine and paste to cloud storage (or upload to cloud storage, it really depends on the exact interface being used) and where I can do the converse on the other end.

Moving files between machines has probably never been easier than it is now with the myriad of cloud storage options available, a very great many of them free.

But having text be pushable from one side of the remote session to the other using the clipboard is impossible in many instances, and remains so.  I was just working with someone across the country with an Outlook VBA issue, and I could not cut the script text (or parts of it) on my end and paste it there (which is what would have typically made the most sense if we were not talking a remote session).  I had to e-mail several different things so that I could actually copy and paste them on the remote side, as there was no other way to get them there otherwise.

Mind you, had I been really desperate to have repeated, ongoing, exchange of text I would probably create a file on cloud storage that I could open on either end and paste text in to it on the source side and copy it out on the target side and do with it what was needed.  But that's still a lot less convenient than being able to copy to the clipboard and hit a command to say, "push the contents of my clipboard to the remote side,"  and have a way to just paste on that side.

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Re: sends the contents of the clipboard to the remote machine

Sarah k Alawami

Team viewer does do this. But the price model is kind of high if this is what you want to do this, so I would file on their github page and see where it ttakes you, and post a link here when you do to the issue page.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on [twitch.](http://twitch.tv/ke7zum] Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

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Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 8 Jun 2020, at 14:38, Kevin Cussick via groups.io wrote:

Hi, no I must admit I have not. but did ask on this list some years ago and one of the devs said this is not needed. I think they said use team viewer this does this. I do not know if it does or not? I just know nvda remote does not do this and I and others wished it could.

On 08/06/2020 21:38, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Have you filed an issue on their github if they have one/ if so what has then their response? I know with team viewer It's text only if I recall, as it was only text that they copied over from my address bar to theirs.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. <http://www.tffppodcast.com>

to subscribe to the feed click here <http://feeds.feedburner.com/tffp> and you can also follow us on twitter <http://twitter.com/tffppodcast>

Our discord <http://discord.tffppodcast.com> is where you will know when we go live on [twitch.](http://twitch.tv/ke7zum] Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page <http://lbry.tv/@ke7zum> and my tffp lbry page <http://lbry.tv/@tffppodcast> You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here <Http://patreon.com/tffppodcast>

On 8 Jun 2020, at 13:23, Kevin Cussick via groups.io wrote:

thanks look for posting.

On 07/06/2020 05:14, Luke Davis wrote:

On Sat, 6 Jun 2020, Kevin Cussick via groups.io wrote:

Hi,   this only works with text right?   You can not copy a
file from local machine and send it to the remote machine?

I have not tried it with graphical content or other formatted
type text or data.
I have transferred word documents this way, by opening them on
the remote, selecting all, copying, sending it to the control,
and pasting into another word document on my local machine.

A pain, but it works.

And if there is a MIME encoder (or UU Encoder) on the remote,
any file could be losslessly converted to text and moved this
way.  But that is a lot of effort.

Luke

Re: sends the contents of the clipboard to the remote machine

On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 12:09 AM, Luke Davis wrote:
Every other remote desktop platform out there can move files from one machine to the other.
-- End Quoted Material --

Well, Microsoft's own Quick Assist does not.  I'd have to imagine it's not alone.  The ones I know of that do have their own built-in mechanisms for selecting the file on one side, sending it, then fetching it on the other.  It's not a straight copy and paste in the conventional sense.

I just submitted feedback minutes ago regarding the inability, in Quick Assist, to copy text on the assistant's side then paste it on the remote side, and vice versa.  That would likely require a special paste button that's a part of the remote session, but that's still way easier than having to do workarounds.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019