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Re: Welcome to NVDA 2018: a parade of popular apps

Robert Mendoza
 

Hi, Joseph


I visited the site but could not find any mentioned tutorials you've mentioned below. 

Robert Mendoza
On 1/10/2018 2:06 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

The next installment in Welcome to NVDA 2018 tutorial set is now available from www.josephsl.net/tutorials. This one (part 5) is a bit livelier than the last one, as it covers a diverse set of features, including more than 20 applications, several add-ons, and couple NVDA features.

 

Changes from 2015 edition:

 

  • Completely redone and reorganized, including division into three themes: Microsoft Office, universal apps, and other apps and tools.
  • Microsoft Word: enhancements over the years are showcased, including elements list, formatting commands, moving to next/previous spelling errors, spelling error buzzer, and a brief demonstration of braille input (complete with word echo (speak typed words, in this case, speak back-translation results from contracted braille to text).
  • Microsoft Excel: cell comments, column/row headers, and a word on using browse mode to read protected sheets.
  • Microsoft Outlook: introduction to calendar and other facilities besides sending and receiving email, address auto-completion when composing new messages.
  • Microsoft PowerPoint: creating and delivering presentations, speaker notes.
  • Universal apps: mostly first party apps are showcased (requires Windows 10 App Essentials add-on for some features).
  • Microsoft Store: completely revamped interface, keyboard navigation and object navigation.
  • Calculator: the modern version is showcased, including calculator modes, unit and currency conversions and others.
  • Alarms and Clock: running a stopwatch and countdown timer and how to deal with toast notifications.
  • Mail (universal app): basics of this app, including message composition and a note about navigation issues.
  • Skype (universal app): reviewing messages, basic shortcut keys, and how to answer incoming calls.
  • GoldWave: the new Windows Store version is used, along with looking at track information (GoldWave add-on required for additional commands).
  • StationPlaylist Studio: playlist viewer basics (for enhanced experience, install StationPlaylist Studio add-on).
  • Microsoft Visual Studio: code editor and Intelli-Sense.
  • Notepad++: basics and a live example of indentation tones.
  • Kindle for PC: reading a sample book and basic features.
  • 7-Zip and poedit: overview and 7-Zip File Manager, along with a brief visit to Poedit.
  • Command-line tools: Command Prompt, PowerShell, Windows Subsystem for Linux/Bash along with a review of review cursor basics.

 

You may notice different audio qualities for some segments, but overall, it is much better than the 2015 edition. Comments are appreciated.

Enjoy.

Cheers,

Joseph
Re: Accessible pdf

Governor staten
 

I would like access through Windows. I'm using my iPhone until I get my new laptop. There might be a way to OCR a document in regular version of Acrobat Reader DC. I will email you more information.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 9, 2018, at 5:31 PM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie> wrote:

Hello,

I appreciate your difficulty and would be happy to help you if you are a
bona fide user. Could you email me offline at the email below my signature
and let's discuss how best to handle this?

You don't give your name nor whether you want access through IOS or
Windows. This makes it more difficult to take your appeal seriously.
However, I do want to help if I can.


All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Governor
staten
Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 10:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Accessible pdf

Hello:
I have a book in .pdf format. However, it was scanned as images. Are there
any free options that would allow me to OCR the whole file? It is almost 100
megs in size. It is pretty important that I be able to read this file, and
possibly others from same source. Of course, I told the person who provided
the file to me. Meanwhile, are there options for dealing with this now?

If someone has adobe acrobat pro, could I possibly send the file to you and
you OCR it and send it back? I'm thinking through all options. If anyone can
help, it is much appreciated. Thanks in advance.


Sent from my iPhone
Re: Accessible pdf

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Hello,

I appreciate your difficulty and would be happy to help you if you are a
bona fide user. Could you email me offline at the email below my signature
and let's discuss how best to handle this?

You don't give your name nor whether you want access through IOS or
Windows. This makes it more difficult to take your appeal seriously.
However, I do want to help if I can.


All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Governor
staten
Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 10:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Accessible pdf

Hello:
I have a book in .pdf format. However, it was scanned as images. Are there
any free options that would allow me to OCR the whole file? It is almost 100
megs in size. It is pretty important that I be able to read this file, and
possibly others from same source. Of course, I told the person who provided
the file to me. Meanwhile, are there options for dealing with this now?

If someone has adobe acrobat pro, could I possibly send the file to you and
you OCR it and send it back? I'm thinking through all options. If anyone can
help, it is much appreciated. Thanks in advance.


Sent from my iPhone
Accessible pdf

Governor staten
 

Hello:
I have a book in .pdf format. However, it was scanned as images. Are there any free options that would allow me to OCR the whole file? It is almost 100 megs in size. It is pretty important that I be able to read this file, and possibly others from same source. Of course, I told the person who provided the file to me. Meanwhile, are there options for dealing with this now?

If someone has adobe acrobat pro, could I possibly send the file to you and you OCR it and send it back? I'm thinking through all options. If anyone can help, it is much appreciated. Thanks in advance.


Sent from my iPhone
Information regarding Translating application.

Narayan <krishnashree1221@...>
 

hi friends, i want an accessible translating application, i have some articles, i want to convert them to various language. if there is any accessible
translating application that can be support with NVDA or jaws. please suggest me shortly. waiting for your essential reply. best regards.


--
Shree
Re: Malware remover working with NVDA

Pascal Lambert
 

Hi Tony,
Happy new year to you too. Thank you for your help and kindness. I downloaded Malwarebytes and installed it. I will try the Obj Pad add on. Does it have a tutorial? Since you offered to help, I'll ask. I have been struggling with IE11, it always chokes and freezes after I launch it. After restarting it, it is so sluggish to the point it is useless. The only reason I would like to keep using IE11, is the ability to use RSS feeds to track specific info on companies or topics. I have not find a way to use RSS on Chromes, Edge, or Firefox. I did reset IE11 with no success. Any feedback or suggestion is greatly appreciated.
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Ballou
Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 4:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Malware remover working with NVDA

Hi Pascal,


Not a problem and happy new year my friend. Let us know how things go and if there's anything I can do to help don't hesitate to write.


Tony
On 1/9/2018 3:28 PM, Pascal Lambert wrote:
Many thanks Tony.
Blessings
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Ballou
Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 3:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Malware remover working with NVDA

Hi,


Check out either super antispyware or malware bytes. They have both got free and professional editions and can both be used with NVDA. You can grab the free editions from www.ninite.com. The super antispyware programs however require you to work using object navigation. If you have the OBJ pad add on, it makes navigating it a piece of cake.


Tony


On 1/7/2018 4:01 PM, Pascal Lambert wrote:
Hi All,
Looking for a malware remover program that works well with NVDA that is free or at a reasonable price.
Any suggestion is greatly appreciated.
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of ???
Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 8:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] two suggestions about nvda on web


I agree your view.
If newer nvda or nvda-addon had a feature about make a tag by own on graphic, for example, we will add a describe on graphic that is alt = "" or no alt, the graphic should be show let us tag.

thank you for much
Logo Kuo from Taiwan

Rick 於 2018/1/7 下午 09:11 寫道:
There is a difference between the alt attribute not being present and alt="" (null alt text) on a graphic. When the alt attribute is not present, screen readers often default to speaking the filename of an image. However, when alt="" is present, the image is ignored by screen readers. This is by design. Alt="" is supposed to be used for images that convey no content, but are decorative in nature.
However, you bring up a good point. It is impossible for screen reader users to navigate to these graphics. Hence, if a screen reader user wanted to copy an image with alt="" there would be no way to accomplish this. Perhaps NVDA could provide an option to not ignore images with null alt text. Of course, NVDA could only speak the filename of the graphic. If this option existed, I would want to know if the image encountered would be one with null alt text. I would assume the state of this option would be disabled and that a user could enable it when desired.

Regarding collapsed vs expanded. Visually, when a section can be expanded (hence, it is collapsed) a plus sign is displayed. Visually, a user could click on the plus sign to expand the section or menu. Also, when a section is expanded, a minus sign is displayed allowing a user to click on the minus sign to collapse the tree. This is why your braille display displays the way it does. The plus and minus characters do not indicate the state of the tree or menu, but the action that can be taken.

Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of ???
Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 1:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] two suggestions about nvda on web


yes, I can accept your explanation of the plus sign.

about graphic,
you said "you reproduce the underlying name of the graphic its a very long and meaningless text string in any case"
I think it is a link to the graphic will be like this,
but if it is a simple graphic have not link and set onclick event on it,
we will lost it when use nvda screen reader.


thank you for much
Logo Kuo from Taiwan

Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io 於 2018/1/6 下午 04:04 寫道:
I think it depends on how you think of it.
IE there are always two ways.
if it says plus it could mean you have expanded it or it could mean
it can be expanded.



I'm not sure what you mean about untagged graphics though. Often if
you reproduce the underlying name of the graphic its a very long and
meaningless text string in any case.

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "特種兵" <afreettears@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 3:25 AM
Subject: [nvda] two suggestions about nvda on web


Hi all:

I have two suggestions about nvda browse on website.

First, nvda will be lost graphic when the graphic has no any
"alt text", example: alt = "" or no alt attribute.
this design let us no method click it (if is can onclick) or make
something for this graphic (if download the graphic) because this
graphic is gone in nvda's world, so I hope nvda still show this
graphic by "gra" or some signed, tell us graphic has exists.
I think if later nvda can do the mark on the graph, then the graph
should be displayed anyway.

Second, the wai-aria attribute "aria-expanded" show condition is
put upside down.
if aria-expanded = false, nvda will announce "collapsed" is right
but braille display show "+" (plus), if aria-expanded = true, nvda
will announce "expanded" is right but braille display show "-"
(minus).
Is not the plus and minus the opposite display?
or I would like to know why the plus sign is collapsed and minus is
expanded yet?
Because this thinking seems to be somewhat different from our Asians.

--

thank you for much
Logo Kuo from Taiwan
Re: New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

Shaun Everiss
 

Yeah and its getting worse, I just read into an article, aparently google and amazon are having a fistfight.

So if it spreads we will have a virtual ww3 on our hands everyone is chucking nukes about, no one knows why they are fighting anymore.

On 10/01/2018 7:45 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
No its all a cunning plot. First Firefox now Skype.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2018 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


It really sucks for us especially and I am tempted to yell at somebody
until they listen to us. We can't use Skype the way it is now. I thought
Accessibility was supposed to be getting better!


On 9/01/2018 8:33 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes I mentioned this in another thread, but of course that would mean
that much more effort would be required to write software and decide
what front ends to support etc.
To me, currently Skype and for that matter universal apps has lost the
plot in that they are not universal at all as writers can make them
all look completely different, when at least in classic windows one
knew you had a menu bar toolbars etc, and not this apparent throw
everything up in the air and where it drops is where it stays muddle
we have now.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


It does.

I have switched all my users to skype universal to keep the software
updated but to be honest skype classic is in the tablets section so
unless ms decides that windows tablets need to update to universal to
which they will probably do eventually then maybe.

At any rate even if skype does die, they will have to change the
minimal version on server to have it not even work and they only just
did that last year and that was for 7.2 and older, up to this point
you could probably still work with 6 or 5 or 4 or even 3 maybe not 2
but even so, who knows.

This new skype 8 will last till the end of win 8x at any rate.

It would be good if ms let us blinks use our own windows desktops,
shells and interfaces for their cores so we could use their stuff
without their junk.




On 8/01/2018 10:23 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I think the question has to be, does the old version of Skype, the
one used by windows 7, install OK on 10, and if it does why do we
need the new one?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"
<joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


Hi,
The universal Skype app is the Windows 10 version of Skype.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann
Byrne
Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 1:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

What is the universal skype app???
At 03:03 PM 1/7/2018, you wrote:

I use Skype for WIN 10 also. Their is nothing wrong with it. Don't
knock it till you try it guys.

On 1/6/2018 10:50 PM, David Moore wrote:
I use the universal Skype app all the time.
Tabbing three or four times, is not that bad, along with some key
commands. I can find what I want quicker than I can with the desktop
program. NVDA really works well with the Skype app. That is awesome.
Have a great one, guys!
Sent from <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>Mail for
Windows 10
From: <mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>Joseph Lee
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 10:12 PM
To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!
Â
Hi,
Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to
conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on).
Cheers,
Joseph
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From:
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[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM
To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!
Â
That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme,
really. Come on Microsoft.
Â
Â
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[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM
To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!
Â
In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way
to use it really.
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On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
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Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious,
because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and
tabbing between options.
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On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
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Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version
here in a bit.
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On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
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OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps.
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I'll give it a try.
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On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote:
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The same way you uninstall any program:
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Press your Windows key and type remove  Arrow down to "Add
and
Remove Programs and press Enter  Arrow down to Skype in the
list of programs  Press your applications key and arrow
down to
remove and press Enter    On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM,
Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
Â
So then, I guess my next question would be how to
uninstall the
universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the
rescue. LOL!
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On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, iván Novegil wrote:
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Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with
windows10.
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Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could
install
7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10
without problems some weeks ago.
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Regards.
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Editor
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escribiu:
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Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with
Windows 10
as well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of
Skype.
Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely
don't
prefer it.
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I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people
seem to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I
can get that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10,
and
get rid of the classic version, that would be fantastic!
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On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote:
Rich,
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Remove your current skype installation and install the
skype
classic version from this link: If you do not remove the
old
installation, you will get two skype
versions after installation of the classic version.
<http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full>http://www.skype.com/go/getsky
pe-full
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Regards, Marten
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wrote:
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I've never had it force an update on
windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks.
  I'm not sure how one gets the old version.
However there does seem to have been
a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I
hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the
tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back
afterwards seemed rather draconian to me.
  Brian
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Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM
Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete
Disaster!
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I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years.
Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered
Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something
like
Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface
that I
could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys
that I previously used would work. I received a call
from a
friend right after this forced installation and could not
answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for
answering a call was useless, as were all other previous
shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I
totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype
as NVDA
users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat
program?
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Re: New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

Shaun Everiss
 

Well skype classic is your friend.

And yeah I do feel like doing that, I actually asked ms if it would remain so.

I can't make heads or tails of the universal app or the new skype.

My skype doesn't update anymore but to be honest, if this continues, I may have a windows 10 or whatever system for games, and maybe xp or something for offline stuff.

If blindy spaciffic computers got cheaper I am tempted to just forget about standard computers alltogether.

I was hoping skype would get better.

On 10/01/2018 5:58 a.m., Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
It really sucks for us especially and I am tempted to yell at somebody
until they listen to us. We can't use Skype the way it is now. I thought
Accessibility was supposed to be getting better!


On 9/01/2018 8:33 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes I mentioned this in another thread, but of course that would mean
that much more effort would be required to write software and decide
what front ends to support etc.
To me, currently Skype and for that matter universal apps has lost the
plot in that they are not universal at all as writers can make them
all look completely different, when at least in classic windows one
knew you had a menu bar toolbars etc, and not this apparent throw
everything up in the air and where it drops is where it stays muddle
we have now.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


It does.

I have switched all my users to skype universal to keep the software
updated but to be honest skype classic is in the tablets section so
unless ms decides that windows tablets need to update to universal to
which they will probably do eventually then maybe.

At any rate even if skype does die, they will have to change the
minimal version on server to have it not even work and they only just
did that last year and that was for 7.2 and older, up to this point
you could probably still work with 6 or 5 or 4 or even 3 maybe not 2
but even so, who knows.

This new skype 8 will last till the end of win 8x at any rate.

It would be good if ms let us blinks use our own windows desktops,
shells and interfaces for their cores so we could use their stuff
without their junk.




On 8/01/2018 10:23 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I think the question has to be, does the old version of Skype, the
one used by windows 7, install OK on 10, and if it does why do we
need the new one?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


Hi,
The universal Skype app is the Windows 10 version of Skype.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann
Byrne
Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 1:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

What is the universal skype app???
At 03:03 PM 1/7/2018, you wrote:

I use Skype for WIN 10 also. Their is nothing wrong with it. Don't
knock it till you try it guys.

On 1/6/2018 10:50 PM, David Moore wrote:
I use the universal Skype app all the time.
Tabbing three or four times, is not that bad, along with some key
commands. I can find what I want quicker than I can with the desktop
program. NVDA really works well with the Skype app. That is awesome.
Have a great one, guys!
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Windows 10
From: <mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>Joseph Lee
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 10:12 PM
To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!
Â
Hi,
Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to
conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on).
Cheers,
Joseph
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Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM
To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!
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That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme,
really. Come on Microsoft.
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Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM
To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!
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In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way
to use it really.
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On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
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Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious,
because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and
tabbing between options.
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On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
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Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version
here in a bit.
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On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
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OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps.
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I'll give it a try.
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On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote:
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The same way you uninstall any program:
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Press your Windows key and type remove  Arrow down to "Add and
Remove Programs and press Enter  Arrow down to Skype in the
list of programs  Press your applications key and arrow down to
remove and press Enter    On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM,
Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
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So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the
universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the
rescue. LOL!
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On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, iván Novegil wrote:
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Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with
windows10.
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Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install
7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10
without problems some weeks ago.
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Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10
as well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of
Skype.
Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't
prefer it.
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I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people
seem to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I
can get that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and
get rid of the classic version, that would be fantastic!
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On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote:
Rich,
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Remove your current skype installation and install the skype
classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old
installation, you will get two skype
versions after installation of the classic version.
<http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full>http://www.skype.com/go/getsky
pe-full
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I've never had it force an update on
windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks.
  I'm not sure how one gets the old version.
However there does seem to have been
a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I
hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the
tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back
afterwards seemed rather draconian to me.
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Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!
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I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years.
Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered
Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like
Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I
could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys
that I previously used would work. I received a call from a
friend right after this forced installation and could not
answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for
answering a call was useless, as were all other previous
shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I
totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype
as NVDA
users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat
program?
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Re: Malware remover working with NVDA

Tony Ballou
 

Hi Pascal,


Not a problem and happy new year my friend. Let us know how things go
and if there's anything I can do to help don't hesitate to write.


Tony

On 1/9/2018 3:28 PM, Pascal Lambert wrote:
Many thanks Tony.
Blessings
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Ballou
Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 3:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Malware remover working with NVDA

Hi,


Check out either super antispyware or malware bytes. They have both got free and professional editions and can both be used with NVDA. You can grab the free editions from www.ninite.com. The super antispyware programs however require you to work using object navigation. If you have the OBJ pad add on, it makes navigating it a piece of cake.


Tony


On 1/7/2018 4:01 PM, Pascal Lambert wrote:
Hi All,
Looking for a malware remover program that works well with NVDA that is free or at a reasonable price.
Any suggestion is greatly appreciated.
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of ???
Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 8:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] two suggestions about nvda on web


I agree your view.
If newer nvda or nvda-addon had a feature about make a tag by own on graphic, for example, we will add a describe on graphic that is alt = "" or no alt, the graphic should be show let us tag.

thank you for much
Logo Kuo from Taiwan

Rick 於 2018/1/7 下午 09:11 寫道:
There is a difference between the alt attribute not being present and alt="" (null alt text) on a graphic. When the alt attribute is not present, screen readers often default to speaking the filename of an image. However, when alt="" is present, the image is ignored by screen readers. This is by design. Alt="" is supposed to be used for images that convey no content, but are decorative in nature.
However, you bring up a good point. It is impossible for screen reader users to navigate to these graphics. Hence, if a screen reader user wanted to copy an image with alt="" there would be no way to accomplish this. Perhaps NVDA could provide an option to not ignore images with null alt text. Of course, NVDA could only speak the filename of the graphic. If this option existed, I would want to know if the image encountered would be one with null alt text. I would assume the state of this option would be disabled and that a user could enable it when desired.

Regarding collapsed vs expanded. Visually, when a section can be expanded (hence, it is collapsed) a plus sign is displayed. Visually, a user could click on the plus sign to expand the section or menu. Also, when a section is expanded, a minus sign is displayed allowing a user to click on the minus sign to collapse the tree. This is why your braille display displays the way it does. The plus and minus characters do not indicate the state of the tree or menu, but the action that can be taken.

Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of ???
Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 1:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] two suggestions about nvda on web


yes, I can accept your explanation of the plus sign.

about graphic,
you said "you reproduce the underlying name of the graphic its a very long and meaningless text string in any case"
I think it is a link to the graphic will be like this,
but if it is a simple graphic have not link and set onclick event on it,
we will lost it when use nvda screen reader.


thank you for much
Logo Kuo from Taiwan

Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io 於 2018/1/6 下午 04:04 寫道:
I think it depends on how you think of it.
IE there are always two ways.
if it says plus it could mean you have expanded it or it could mean
it can be expanded.



I'm not sure what you mean about untagged graphics though. Often if
you reproduce the underlying name of the graphic its a very long and
meaningless text string in any case.

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "特種兵" <afreettears@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 3:25 AM
Subject: [nvda] two suggestions about nvda on web


Hi all:

I have two suggestions about nvda browse on website.

First, nvda will be lost graphic when the graphic has no any
"alt text", example: alt = "" or no alt attribute.
this design let us no method click it (if is can onclick) or make
something for this graphic (if download the graphic) because this
graphic is gone in nvda's world, so I hope nvda still show this
graphic by "gra" or some signed, tell us graphic has exists.
I think if later nvda can do the mark on the graph, then the graph
should be displayed anyway.

Second, the wai-aria attribute "aria-expanded" show condition is
put upside down.
if aria-expanded = false, nvda will announce "collapsed" is right
but braille display show "+" (plus), if aria-expanded = true, nvda
will announce "expanded" is right but braille display show "-"
(minus).
Is not the plus and minus the opposite display?
or I would like to know why the plus sign is collapsed and minus is
expanded yet?
Because this thinking seems to be somewhat different from our Asians.

--

thank you for much
Logo Kuo from Taiwan
Choice script dev environment gets an accessible branch

Robert Kingett
 

Hey all! I'm not sure how many write in the choice script language, for the choice of games platform, but I wanted to inform you that the developer of the development environment is actively working on the accessibility of the program. I included the git Hub link below to the accessible branch. He is very eager to hear feedback.

https://github.com/ChoicescriptIDE/main/tree/accessibility
Re: Malware remover working with NVDA

Shaun Everiss
 

Yeah I like that, sadly it does not protect from every checkbox and its not updated.

If the checkbox is straight then its fine but if its one of those imbedded boxes like the avast one in ccleaner or some of the opencandy or whatever they call themselves, there is no way in hoho land its going to pick that up.

Its really good with website checkboxes but bar adobe and maybe google no one uses that stuff anymore.

On 9/01/2018 10:34 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Unchecky is very handy also.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "JM Casey" <crystallogic@ca.inter.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Malware remover working with NVDA


I have it, and I am pretty sure it's just the background processing that does not work after the trial version. The on-demand scanning, which is what the programme is actually useful for in my view, still works, and definitions still can be updated.

I keep it around and it has saved me at least once. I installed a programme that included a bunch of other baggage. I didn't realise I was allowing this other stuff to be installed, which all automatically started running on my machine. None of it was exactly malicious as such, but it was definitely unwanted. A quick MB scan revealed the culprits and I was able to clear everything in a relatively short time. Mostly this was a lot of crap in the registry, including a homepage and search redirect. Of course it's my fault for letting this stuff install in the first place, but my screen-reader (JAWS at the time) was not telling me what was on the screen, even with the use of the JAWS cursor, so I just hit the next button a whole bunch of times, and that's all it takes, sometimes. Lesson learned, but it made me glad I keep MalwareBytes around, you know?



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pascal Lambert
Sent: January 8, 2018 5:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Malware remover working with NVDA

Hi,
It has a trial period after which it locks up.  That is why it is installed, used, then killed before the trial runs out.
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 3:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Malware remover working with NVDA

Since you use malwarebytes from time to time, why do you not keep it installed on your machine?  Is there a problem with doing that?

Also, you say you "run malwarebytes when you need to".  How do you know when you need to?  Do you just hope that any malware shows itself as strange behaviour on your system, rather than just doing something sinister in the background?


Antony.

On Monday 08 January 2018 at 21:36:06, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Well I use malwarebytes to scan a system, but as for keeping it on the
system, no, windows defender handles a lot of the stuff one needs to
bother with and the more advanced stuff are just not accessible enough
for my liking.

And when they are, ie sophos, if we have a problem a false positive
its to quick to flag and then we have issues.

If a false positive is flagged, we need to exclude it reinstall the
program and hope it works or in the case of one of my friends that had
the issue, reformat, exclude and hope they don't have to reformat again.

I really don't care for antimalware tools anyway I run malwarebytes
when I need to but then its off again, it will handle a scan, and a
clear out as long as I don't give a stuff what I am deleting and usually I don't.
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Re: New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

Shaun Everiss
 

Yeah I know this, its a pitty ms discontinued skypekit.

I really think its high time for users to have a choice of some sort of interface controler software and something based on the core of windows, I don't see any reason we can run whatever interface we want since we basically do that with themes in windows.

I mean they do that in linux.

For example I don't see any reason I can't continue using windows xp or 7 for the rest of my life if I want or even win98, true having a different interface over my core means I probably will have less features in the interface and maybe less abilities but I can live with that, maybe you can switch interfaces I mean we have vertual desktops now so why not interfaces.

Or parts there of.

I will still use the same core subsystems, and in the background the same shells and security systems but I can switch how I want.

I like win10 apps interface for apps, I'd prefur the older control panel classic interfaces, the old win7 search box or even xp's start menu, non cluttered windows, no ribbons etc.

Classic skype and other things.

The older stuff was accessible.

I see no reason that this can't be done, it would be a theme extention at most, linux does it.

On 9/01/2018 10:24 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Before Microsoft took it over there used to be a basic system called Skype kit that any third party could use to write a front end around. If you recall GW Micro did just that, but I understand this facility was withdrawn.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


Since skype is actually part of my job I have to agree that is is getting harder to use but I have the don't update button on and it all works. I love the mac interface, at least the old one. It's easy to use and I can jump from place to place. I can even launch two instences of skype with the touch of a script and each having two different  accounts..

But yeah since skype is part of my job I am stuck with it.

On Jan 8, 2018, at 1:17 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Being sarcastic, what me? I would say that when nvda and others fix this Microsoft will bring out another broken version. its a common issue in Skype it used to happen even when Skype was not owned by Microsoft!

Its chasing the tail time again.
What Windows needs is a basic front end for audio or video calling, not some ever growing heap of bits that really just look new.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


Hi,
As far as NVDA side goes, send me feedback as soon as possible.
To whoever asked about NVDA add-on for Skype universal app, this is part of Windows 10 App Essentials add-on (mine, way before JAWS scripts came along). I do know the person who wrote the JAWS scripts and plan to ask him for collaboration. Also, for those watching GitHub, expect to see a pull request regarding Skype universal app in a few days.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 8:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

I understand that Skype have moved to new protocols. There may be architectural reasons why Microsoft decided to redesign it, and they decided to update/modernize the user interface along the way.

I found a forum post, apparently from Microsoft, stating that the "classic" version will be deprecated soon. If you're encountering accessibility issues with the Windows 10 version, I would suggest notifying Microsoft, since the older version may at some point soon no longer be updated or supported.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rich De Steno
Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 6:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

Because the world is comprised primarily of sighted people who crave visual stimulation.  Accessibility of programs and devices to those without eyesight is a distant second consideration. That is primarily why Skype was dramatically changed to its current incarnation.  It is a visual gold mine!

Rich De Steno

On 1/7/2018 5:47 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
As a bystander on this, it seems to me that Somebody at Microsoft is
wasting loads of peoples time making changes to software that already
works.
Does anyone have any idea why they would want to keep changing the
software?


I can only think of a couple and the last time I mentioned it here I
was jumped on. grin.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 4:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


Hi,
To answer calls via Skype universal app, once a call arrives, press
Windows+V, then press Enter to answer.
The list of shortcut keys for Skype universal app can be found at:
https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i
-use-them-in-skype?q=How+do+i+set+my+hotkeys+on+Skype+Windows+10%3F

Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
John Isige
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 8:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

Really? Do we have a full list anywhere? I called the Microsoft
disability thingy and asked about documentation for the new skype, and
they never got back to me. That suggests it either doesn't exist, or
they're super lazy. Nice folks though.


I stopped using it because, like another poster, I couldn't figure out
how to answer calls and such, plus it seems like it needed to be open
to really do anything with it, and it wouldn't minimize to the system
tray or such. It was also slow, e.g. at bringing up conversations, and
it didn't seem to read them very well. It tended to read multiple
messages when you arrowed around. I freely admit part of this might be
my inability to use it, which is why I asked for documentation from
Microsoft. But all the documentation I can find seems to be for the
old skype. I got tired of messing with it and went back to old skype.


On 1/6/2018 21:12, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to
conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme,
really. Come on Microsoft.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
John Isige
Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!

In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way
to use it really.


On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious,
because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and
tabbing between options.


On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version
here in a bit.


On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps.


I'll give it a try.


On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote:
The same way you uninstall any program:

Press your Windows key and type remove

Arrow down to "Add and Remove Programs and press Enter

Arrow down to Skype in the list of programs

Press your applications key and arrow down to remove and press
Enter



On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the
universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the
rescue. LOL!


On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, iván Novegil wrote:
Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10.

Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install
7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10
without problems some weeks ago.


Regards.

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Christopher-Mark Gilland escribiu:
Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10
as well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of Skype.
Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't
prefer it.


I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people
seem to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I
can get that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and
get rid of the classic version, that would be fantastic!


On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote:
Rich,

Remove your current skype installation and install the skype
classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old
installation, you will get two skype versions after
installation of the classic version.
http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full

Regards, Marten

On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account
via Groups.Io"<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always
asks to which I say politely no thanks.
  I'm not sure how one gets the old version.
However there does seem to have been a long history with
Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever
use it these days personally, but for many years the
tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back
afterwards seemed rather draconian to me.
  Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De
Steno"<ironrock@verizon.net> To:<nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM
Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster!


I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years.
Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered
Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like
Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I
could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys
that I previously used would work. I received a call from a
friend right after this forced installation and could not
answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for
answering a call was useless, as were all other previous
shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I
totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype as
NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some
other chat program?

-- Rich De Steno





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Re: Foobar 2000 (was RE: [nvda] What do we like for a media playerbesides Winamp?)

Tony Ballou
 

Hi,


I'm also a VLC media player dude, and have been using it to play DVD's for eons. I think I've been using it since the days of windows XP.There's a tutorial on using it with NVDA on the accessibilitycentral.net website.    


Tony

On 1/5/2018 6:22 PM, David Moore wrote:

I love VLC media player!

It is also a music editor, you can play DVD’s, or just play your music. There are many key commands for VLC.

Press spacebar to play and pause,

Shift+right arrow to fast forward and rewind a little bit, and press alt+arrow keys and CTRL+arrow keys to do the same by larger amounts. You can access a lot from the menus. VLC has been my favorite media player for two years now!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: John Isige
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 5:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Foobar 2000 (was RE: [nvda] What do we like for a media playerbesides Winamp?)

 

Me too, or if anybody wants to gives tips on VLC for audio playback, I

can try that too. Gom Audio is gone, I loaded albums into it, it started

playing, and then pretty much locked up my machine, or at least the

keyboard. Nothing would work, not its context menu, Windows key-x, I

couldn't switch windows, you name it. So I hit the power button to shut

down, rebooted, and uninstalled it. I'm fine setting things up and

customizing, but my patience is like zero right now. If it can't even do

the basic thing it's supposed to, it's gone.

 

 

On 1/5/2018 16:34, JM Casey wrote:

> 

> So the thread here reminded me I wanted to try this out. I’m really

> interested in getting this one going. Not sure if it’ll replace winamp

> exactly as I’m quite happy with it, but it’ll be nice to have another

> audio player that actually works and does everything I want it to.

> That stuff from Microsoft just will never cut it, and I never did get

> really used to or happy with using VLC for audio playback (still the

> only video player for me).

> 

> Looking at their site, I notice there are **loads** of extensions  and

> plug-ins available. So I ask you foobar users – what are those

> essential add-ons that you use or can recommend?

> 

> Also if I remember right from playing with it in my XP days, you

> assign the keyboard commands by editing ini files. I assume all of you

> have customised the programme quite extensively. Tell me about this,

> just so I have a starting point here. What is your setup?

> 

>

 

 

 

 
Re: Where are the pluggins?

Tony Ballou
 

Hi,


There are a number of useful add ons available. You are only limited by your imagination. Some that I would recommend because I use them on almost an everyday basis are: OBJ-pad, golden cursor, windows 10 app essentials, clip contents designer, clip speak, easy table navigator, emoticons, enhanced aria, place markers, read feeds, remote support, resource monitor, and systray list, I'm sure other NVDA users will also weigh in on this with recommendations and suggestions.    


Hope this helps.  

Tony

On 1/8/2018 9:52 AM, tonea.ctr.morrow@... wrote:

Good News! A manager has agreed to complete the paperwork to get the ball rolling on installing NVDA on my machine. But, I have to have my ducks in a row. Where do I go for these plugins Marshall talked about so I can point to price and location? They are “Focus Highlight” and “Speech Viewer”. I looked on the NVDA website and didn’t see them.

If anyone knows of another plugin I should look at, now would be the time. Remember, I’m sighted and trying to make our software and support documents handicap accessible. I need to have this turned in ASAP (as soon as possible).

Thanks,

Tonea

----- Original Message -----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marshall handheld Flax

Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 12:55 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Another Wording Question

 

I'd like to second Joseph's advice to actually install NVDA and see how it presents your application.  But in addition, as a sighted user you will probably want to do two things:

 

1. Install the "Focus Highlight" plugin -- it makes it *far* easier to visually see what NVDA is describing at any given point in time; and

2. Enable the "Speech Viewer" feature (under Tools in the NVDA menu) -- it shows everything going to the speech synthesizer, but it just appears in a scrolling window -- quite useful!

 

Marshall

 
tutorial for ojpad?

The Wolf
 

Hello is there a tutorial for ojpad?

if not is there a way some one could write one up?

thanks

Hank
Re: Malware remover working with NVDA

Pascal Lambert
 

Many thanks Tony.
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Ballou
Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 3:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Malware remover working with NVDA

Hi,


Check out either super antispyware or malware bytes. They have both got free and professional editions and can both be used with NVDA. You can grab the free editions from www.ninite.com. The super antispyware programs however require you to work using object navigation. If you have the OBJ pad add on, it makes navigating it a piece of cake.


Tony


On 1/7/2018 4:01 PM, Pascal Lambert wrote:
Hi All,
Looking for a malware remover program that works well with NVDA that is free or at a reasonable price.
Any suggestion is greatly appreciated.
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of ???
Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 8:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] two suggestions about nvda on web


I agree your view.
If newer nvda or nvda-addon had a feature about make a tag by own on graphic, for example, we will add a describe on graphic that is alt = "" or no alt, the graphic should be show let us tag.

thank you for much
Logo Kuo from Taiwan

Rick 於 2018/1/7 下午 09:11 寫道:
There is a difference between the alt attribute not being present and alt="" (null alt text) on a graphic. When the alt attribute is not present, screen readers often default to speaking the filename of an image. However, when alt="" is present, the image is ignored by screen readers. This is by design. Alt="" is supposed to be used for images that convey no content, but are decorative in nature.
However, you bring up a good point. It is impossible for screen reader users to navigate to these graphics. Hence, if a screen reader user wanted to copy an image with alt="" there would be no way to accomplish this. Perhaps NVDA could provide an option to not ignore images with null alt text. Of course, NVDA could only speak the filename of the graphic. If this option existed, I would want to know if the image encountered would be one with null alt text. I would assume the state of this option would be disabled and that a user could enable it when desired.

Regarding collapsed vs expanded. Visually, when a section can be expanded (hence, it is collapsed) a plus sign is displayed. Visually, a user could click on the plus sign to expand the section or menu. Also, when a section is expanded, a minus sign is displayed allowing a user to click on the minus sign to collapse the tree. This is why your braille display displays the way it does. The plus and minus characters do not indicate the state of the tree or menu, but the action that can be taken.

Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of ???
Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 1:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] two suggestions about nvda on web


yes, I can accept your explanation of the plus sign.

about graphic,
you said "you reproduce the underlying name of the graphic its a very long and meaningless text string in any case"
I think it is a link to the graphic will be like this,
but if it is a simple graphic have not link and set onclick event on it,
we will lost it when use nvda screen reader.


thank you for much
Logo Kuo from Taiwan

Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io 於 2018/1/6 下午 04:04 寫道:
I think it depends on how you think of it.
IE there are always two ways.
if it says plus it could mean you have expanded it or it could mean
it can be expanded.



I'm not sure what you mean about untagged graphics though. Often if
you reproduce the underlying name of the graphic its a very long and
meaningless text string in any case.

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "特種兵" <afreettears@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 3:25 AM
Subject: [nvda] two suggestions about nvda on web


Hi all:

I have two suggestions about nvda browse on website.

First, nvda will be lost graphic when the graphic has no any
"alt text", example: alt = "" or no alt attribute.
this design let us no method click it (if is can onclick) or make
something for this graphic (if download the graphic) because this
graphic is gone in nvda's world, so I hope nvda still show this
graphic by "gra" or some signed, tell us graphic has exists.
I think if later nvda can do the mark on the graph, then the graph
should be displayed anyway.

Second, the wai-aria attribute "aria-expanded" show condition is
put upside down.
if aria-expanded = false, nvda will announce "collapsed" is right
but braille display show "+" (plus), if aria-expanded = true, nvda
will announce "expanded" is right but braille display show "-"
(minus).
Is not the plus and minus the opposite display?
or I would like to know why the plus sign is collapsed and minus is
expanded yet?
Because this thinking seems to be somewhat different from our Asians.

--

thank you for much
Logo Kuo from Taiwan
Re: Where are the pluggins?

Tony Ballou
 

Hi,


Check out the nvda  add ons website they both should be there. from the nvda menu go to the tools sub menu and arrow down to the manage add ons option.  Once there, press enter, then tab over to the get add ons button hit space and your browser will open and the website will be up. 


Tony


On 1/8/2018 9:52 AM, tonea.ctr.morrow@... wrote:

Good News! A manager has agreed to complete the paperwork to get the ball rolling on installing NVDA on my machine. But, I have to have my ducks in a row. Where do I go for these plugins Marshall talked about so I can point to price and location? They are “Focus Highlight” and “Speech Viewer”. I looked on the NVDA website and didn’t see them.

If anyone knows of another plugin I should look at, now would be the time. Remember, I’m sighted and trying to make our software and support documents handicap accessible. I need to have this turned in ASAP (as soon as possible).

Thanks,

Tonea

----- Original Message -----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marshall handheld Flax

Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 12:55 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Another Wording Question

 

I'd like to second Joseph's advice to actually install NVDA and see how it presents your application.  But in addition, as a sighted user you will probably want to do two things:

 

1. Install the "Focus Highlight" plugin -- it makes it *far* easier to visually see what NVDA is describing at any given point in time; and

2. Enable the "Speech Viewer" feature (under Tools in the NVDA menu) -- it shows everything going to the speech synthesizer, but it just appears in a scrolling window -- quite useful!

 

Marshall

 
Re: Malware remover working with NVDA

Tony Ballou
 

Hi,


Check out either super antispyware or malware bytes.  They have both got
free and professional editions and can both be used with NVDA. You can
grab the free editions from www.ninite.com.    The super antispyware
programs however require you to work using object navigation. If you
have the OBJ pad add on, it makes navigating it a piece of cake.


Tony

On 1/7/2018 4:01 PM, Pascal Lambert wrote:
Hi All,
Looking for a malware remover program that works well with NVDA that is free or at a reasonable price.
Any suggestion is greatly appreciated.
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of ???
Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 8:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] two suggestions about nvda on web


I agree your view.
If newer nvda or nvda-addon had a feature about make a tag by own on graphic, for example, we will add a describe on graphic that is alt = "" or no alt, the graphic should be show let us tag.

thank you for much
Logo Kuo from Taiwan

Rick 於 2018/1/7 下午 09:11 寫道:
There is a difference between the alt attribute not being present and alt="" (null alt text) on a graphic. When the alt attribute is not present, screen readers often default to speaking the filename of an image. However, when alt="" is present, the image is ignored by screen readers. This is by design. Alt="" is supposed to be used for images that convey no content, but are decorative in nature.
However, you bring up a good point. It is impossible for screen reader users to navigate to these graphics. Hence, if a screen reader user wanted to copy an image with alt="" there would be no way to accomplish this. Perhaps NVDA could provide an option to not ignore images with null alt text. Of course, NVDA could only speak the filename of the graphic. If this option existed, I would want to know if the image encountered would be one with null alt text. I would assume the state of this option would be disabled and that a user could enable it when desired.

Regarding collapsed vs expanded. Visually, when a section can be expanded (hence, it is collapsed) a plus sign is displayed. Visually, a user could click on the plus sign to expand the section or menu. Also, when a section is expanded, a minus sign is displayed allowing a user to click on the minus sign to collapse the tree. This is why your braille display displays the way it does. The plus and minus characters do not indicate the state of the tree or menu, but the action that can be taken.

Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of ???
Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 1:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] two suggestions about nvda on web


yes, I can accept your explanation of the plus sign.

about graphic,
you said "you reproduce the underlying name of the graphic its a very long and meaningless text string in any case"
I think it is a link to the graphic will be like this,
but if it is a simple graphic have not link and set onclick event on it,
we will lost it when use nvda screen reader.


thank you for much
Logo Kuo from Taiwan

Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io 於 2018/1/6 下午 04:04 寫道:
I think it depends on how you think of it.
IE there are always two ways.
if it says plus it could mean you have expanded it or it could mean
it can be expanded.



I'm not sure what you mean about untagged graphics though. Often if
you reproduce the underlying name of the graphic its a very long and
meaningless text string in any case.

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "特種兵" <afreettears@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 3:25 AM
Subject: [nvda] two suggestions about nvda on web


Hi all:

I have two suggestions about nvda browse on website.

First, nvda will be lost graphic when the graphic has no any "alt
text", example: alt = "" or no alt attribute.
this design let us no method click it (if is can onclick) or make
something for this graphic (if download the graphic) because this
graphic is gone in nvda's world, so I hope nvda still show this
graphic by "gra" or some signed, tell us graphic has exists.
I think if later nvda can do the mark on the graph, then the graph
should be displayed anyway.

Second, the wai-aria attribute "aria-expanded" show condition is
put upside down.
if aria-expanded = false, nvda will announce "collapsed" is right
but braille display show "+" (plus), if aria-expanded = true, nvda
will announce "expanded" is right but braille display show "-"
(minus).
Is not the plus and minus the opposite display?
or I would like to know why the plus sign is collapsed and minus is
expanded yet?
Because this thinking seems to be somewhat different from our Asians.

--

thank you for much
Logo Kuo from Taiwan
Microsoft Security Essentials xp installer

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Now on your own head be it, but here is the installer. I have no idea if msse will install and update on xp from this file. It was what i installed and it worked but no garantees, OK?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/e1fe3j6zlhvdolb/mssefullinstall-x86fre-en-us-xp.exe?dl=1

Brian

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Re: Normally, a horrible! idea, but can auto update be shut off?

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I'm using MSSe on those machines and it gets updated.

I have also superantispyware as well as on my windows 7 version actually.

I don't know if its still downloadable, but certainly the updates for botyh are no issue at all.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" <clgilland07@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2018 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Normally, a horrible! idea, but can auto update be shut off?


I just this last Christmas finally! did away with XP entirely, but up
until then, I was using Microsoft Security Essentials. There is a
version you can download and install which is! XP compatible. I don't
have the link in front of me though. It's on my old XP machine which
I've unhooked. Google should turn it up though without much effort. I
also used Clamwin for a while, but I don't think it was finding
everything. It's kind of a long story how I know this, but just take my
word for it; I don't think it was so.


On 1/8/2018 4:18 AM, Peter Chin wrote:
Could those who are still using Windows XP please tell us what
antivirus programme they are using?
*From:* Christopher-Mark Gilland <mailto:clgilland07@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Friday, December 8, 2017 6:18 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] Normally, a horrible! idea, but can auto update be
shut off?
I know I just said it is good to stay as much up to date as possible,
I agree, I have a very specific reason for asking this. Given that I
have my Win XP desktop still, again, it's not my primary system, no,
but, I do use it on seldom occasions.
This all said, I know that the directive was made you must have at
least SP1 of Win7 to use NVDA 2017.4.
Normally on this system, I use JAWS 15, so I haven't had the chance to
fire up NVDA, but, given this fact about 2017.4, I don't want the
thing constantly nagging me to update, when it wouldn't be compatible.
My guess is, it'll be smart enough to see that it can't update to
anything compatible, but, is that the case? Will it nag me every time
I load NVDA, or will it know to keep me back on 2017.3, and not offer
anything further? If it'll keep checking, then can I somehow in
preferences tell it not to? I'd normally highly discourage doing this,
but in my unique situation, it might be necessary.
Don't worry, I do! have plenty other systems running Windows 10, so
it's not like my only Windows machine is way out of date.
Chris.
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