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Re: saving attachments in Thunderbird

 

There is a column in Thunderbird that indicates that a message has an attachment, and I believe it's visible by default, though I don't know where it falls in the default column order as I've shifted columns around so many times for testing that I do not remember the original order.  The Mozilla Apps Enhancements add-on includes commands specifically dedicated to making it easy to rearrange columns and/or show and hide columns in Thunderbird.

The following is a brief tutorial I wrote as part of the "cheat sheets" I make for my tutoring clients when they're getting started with a screen reader and are using Thunderbird.  The first bit about the Quick Folder Key Navigation extension is something that anyone using a screen reader with Thunderbird needs to do as soon as they possibly can, if they haven't done it already.
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Thunderbird e-mail client

IMPORTANT:  For those using Thunderbird with a screen reader I strongly suggest installing the Quick Folder Key Navigation extension.  This allows you to jump from folder in the folder tree using first letter navigation to move between them.  Without it, this does not always work.   You will only need to install this extension once for any instance of Thunderbird you might be using.  If you are using JAWS or NVDA, searching for this add on within Thunderbird is quite simple:

·         Activate the Tools Menu (ALT+T), add-ons option (followed by A) and tab 3 times, at which point you should be on the Extensions Pane.  If you happen to land on any other pane then use Down Arrow (or Up Arrow) until you hear Extensions.

·         Tab 2 times, which lands you in the search all add-ons edit box. 

·         Then type in Quick Folder Key Navigation, hit enter, and wait a few seconds for the search to complete. 

·         Tab 5 times more to gain focus on the list of results.  Then hit Down Arrow to start navigating the list.  Quick Folder Key Navigation should be the first result.

·         Tab 2 times to land on the Install button then hit enter.

·         After the install completes you need to exit Thunderbird and start it up again for this extension to become active

 

Upon opening Thunderbird, you will be in the folder tree sitting on whatever folder you had open the last time you closed it.  You will still have to hit TAB until you reach the folder tree view.

When in the folder tree view you can use first letter navigation to move around (if you installed the extension noted above).

When you are sitting on a folder in the folder tree view hitting TAB will take you to the message list.  You know you’ve arrived when you hear, “List View.”  Use up and/or down arrow to navigate through the list of messages.  [Depending on the screen reader you usually have to hit TAB either once or twice.]

If you are using threaded view, and hear JAWS announce “Level zero, collapsed,” use the right arrow to expand the thread to show all its individual messages.  To collapse the thread, get back to the first message at level zero and hit the left arrow.

When you land on the message you want to read, hit Enter to open it in a dedicated reading tab.

You will use the usual reading commands to read through the message that you use in any other program.

Thunderbird Shortcuts

Hit CTRL+W to close a reading tab and go back to the message list for the folder you had been viewing.

Hit SHIFT+TAB (once or twice) or F6 to move back to the folder tree from the message list for any folder.  This must be done after you delete all messages in a given folder as well.

To select messages in the message list view:

            Once you are in the message list view, and have a specific single message selected:

1.      Holding SHIFT, while at the same time hitting either Up or Down Arrow will continue selecting messages in the direction you are moving.

2.      Holding SHIFT, then hitting PgUp or PgDown will select all messages above or below the currently selected message, respectively, stopping with the first/last one currently displayed in the message list view.

You can use CTRL+A to select all messages, including ones currently not visible in the message list view.  Unless you’re certain about doing whatever you intend to do with ALL messages, use this option with great caution.

To delete messages:

1.      If you are in the message list view, select the message or messages you wish to delete then hit the Delete key.  This will move them to the Trash folder and none will be opened for reading if you use this technique.

2.      If you are reading a message and want to delete it, hit the Delete key and it will delete that message and automatically open the next message in the folder for reading.

To reply to a message you’re reading:  CTRL+R opens the Write window with the subject filled in with “Re:” prefixing it and the text of the message you’re replying to quoted.  Your cursor will be sitting right after the quoted material waiting for you to type.  If  you’re trying to do a Reply All that’s CTRL+Shift+R

To create a new message, regardless of what you’re doing in Thunderbird, hit CTRL+N.  This opens the Write window waiting for you to fill in your addressees in the “To:” edit box.  As you hit Enter after filling in an address or choosing one from the dropdown list of previous addresses another edit box of the same type opens.  If you need to change from “To:” to “CC:” or “BCC:” then hit SHIFT+TAB, use the up/down arrow key to find what you want, then hit TAB again to go to the edit box for the address.

·         To add attachments to an outgoing message, hit CTRL+SHIFT+A to bring up the Attach Files dialog.  It is very similar to a Save dialog except it works “in reverse.”  You will need to navigate to the location of the file you want to attach, select it, then either tab to the Open button or hit ALT+O to attach the file to the message.

To send a message, whether it’s a reply or a new message, hit CTRL+ENTER when you’ve finished composing.  It will send immediately and close the Write window, taking you back to wherever you had been before hitting the reply or new keyboard shortcut.

To get to attachments on an incoming message hit ALT+M, H  [Opens the Message Menu and selects the Attachments option]

 

Creating Folders in Thunderbird

            You can create folders within Thunderbird to organize your e-mail.  The concept is the same as in Windows File Explorer, and the tree view will be the starting point.

1.      In the tree view navigate to the folder or account (if you want the folder directly under the account like Inbox, Sent, etc., typically are) under which you want your new folder nested.  In most cases this will be your e-mail account itself, unless you are creating subfolders within other existing folders.

2.      Hit ALT+F,N,F – File Menu, New Option, Folder Option – after which the New Folder dialog opens and you’ll be in the edit box in which you’ll type the new folder’s name.

3.      Tab to the Create Folder button then hit enter, or hit ALT+R.  Your new folder has been created.

 

Moving Messages Between Folders on Thunderbird

1.      Select the message or messages you wish to move.

2.      Bring up the context menu with the applications/menu key or Shift+F10, then hit M [Move]

3.      You will be presented with a submenu that will vary somewhat depending on your folder structure, you have to drill down through the submenu to locate the folder where you want the selected messages to be moved.

4.      Once you have focus on that folder, hit Enter and the message(s) will be moved there.

 

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Re: windows program for creating a recovery drive is not fully accessible

 

I presume you're talking about the Backup and Restore (Windows 7) utility that is, as of this writing, still a part of Windows 10.  Don't use it, as its core component has ceased development and was deprecated all the way back in Version 1709.  Microsoft recommends using the third-party utility of your choosing.

Microsoft Announcement of Deprecated Features, including SIB [Backup and Restore (Windows 7)]

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Re: any update for add ons

 

skype 8 electron for nvda python 2 and 3 compatible.

https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/skype.nvda-addon

teamtalk nvda 2019.3

https://www.dlee.org/teamtalk/NVDA/TeamTalk_Classic.nvda-addon



On 8/05/2020 9:47 am, ken lawrence via groups.io wrote:

Hi NVDA my NVDA just now updated.  I have the add on for skype and the add on for teamtalk client. These are incompatible with NVDA’s most recent versions but not sure if I want to uninstall them because I want to make sure they don’t have updates coming.  Any timetable on when or if these addons will have versions that work with the newer NVDA?  I use both quite a bit and the thing I notice about skype is after I sign in to our radio station or when I sign back into my account after a show I’m locked into focus mode even when I tab to exit the form and I have to go to an email or a website to snap it off.  Insirt and space bar doesn’t work.  I could use a little better information on teamtalk too.  Will these add ons eventually work again with newer versions? 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: any update for add ons

 

Do you have the Add-On Updater add-on installed?  If not, get it and install it.

There is a version of the TeamTalk add-on that appears to be compatible with NVDA 2019.1 and later.  As to the Skype add-on, look in Manage Add-Ons, see what the developer's email address is for that add-on, and contact the developer.

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Papenmeier Braillex Trio not properly working

lutztiger.luigi@...
 

Dear people,

 

as I’m planning to permanently switch from JAWS to nvda I’m trying to set up nvda in order to be able tow work with it properly. I’m on the newest nvda version available.

 

I’ve a Papenmeier Braillex Trio working perfectly under Jaws2020. On nvda, only the braille input works, but I’m not getting any kind of output. In the user guide I’ve read I’d need to select “Papenmeier braillex newer models” in the settings dialogue, but unfortunately nvda doesn’t find any braille display being connected.

 

Any ideas?

 

Best,

almaric


any update for add ons

ken lawrence
 

Hi NVDA my NVDA just now updated.  I have the add on for skype and the add on for teamtalk client. These are incompatible with NVDA’s most recent versions but not sure if I want to uninstall them because I want to make sure they don’t have updates coming.  Any timetable on when or if these addons will have versions that work with the newer NVDA?  I use both quite a bit and the thing I notice about skype is after I sign in to our radio station or when I sign back into my account after a show I’m locked into focus mode even when I tab to exit the form and I have to go to an email or a website to snap it off.  Insirt and space bar doesn’t work.  I could use a little better information on teamtalk too.  Will these add ons eventually work again with newer versions? 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: new suggestion

Andre Fisher
 

Hi.

I realised after I sent it. It's exactly the same


Re: NVDA 2020.1 released

molly the blind tech lover
 

I just got the update 😂 Thank you.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 6:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2020.1 released

 

Hi everyone,

NVDA 2020.1, the newest version of the free screen reader is now available! Highlights include support for new braille displays from HumanWare & APH plus bug fixes such as the ability to read math in Word using MathPlayer / MathType.

This is a recommended update for all users.

Download from https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2020-1-released/ #NVDAsr

Kind regards

Quentin.

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windows program for creating a recovery drive is not fully accessible

Dan Beaver
 

I decided I needed to create a fresh recovery drive.  I discovered that NVDA speaks the buttons but nothing else.  Has anyone else seen this?  Is this an NVDA issue or a windows system issue?


Thanks.



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Re: NVDA, BrightSpace, Medical Transcription platforms

luke scholey
 

It is 99% accessible yes. Better on a laptop than a phone. You can get NVDA to read out colours in word or you can get the marker to mark your work differently for example enclosing comments in * so you can find them easy.
Luke

On 7 May 2020, at 20:44, Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:



Hello all,

 

I’m not really sure where to post this message, so if it would be more appropriate for the Chat list please let me know

 

I am considering taking a medical transcription refresher course from a local career college. At least 2 blind/visually impaired students have gone through the program successfully and found gainful employment. The 1 totally blind student used JAWS. For financial and philosophical reasons, I really do not want to use JAWS. However, I’d like to know whether between NVDA and Narrator, I could accomplish the same tasks. Legally, a program or employer cannot dictate which screen reader I use, just as they cannot dictate which brand of glasses a person chooses to wear. However, I anticipate  lot of pushback so I’d like to get as much information/ammunition as possible.

 

The education software the transcription course uses is called Brightspace. I did some preliminary research. The website talks about the software being accessible to screen readers and talks about their ongoing commitment to accessibility. Has anyone used this software with NVDA? If so, what were your experiences?

 

One area of difficulty the blind student found was differentiating different colors in Word documents. Apparently, JAWS cannot do this. assignments and reports are done in Word and corrections added in a different color. Can NVDA distinguish print in different colors in Word documents? If not, is there a workaround? The student using JAWS said that she was able to come up with one.

 

All course texts and reference materials are provided in PDFs. How does NVDA do with large PDFs? I believe they contain links etc. for navigation.

 

Are there any controls JAWS recognizes that NVDA does not? Most research is done on the Internet. Are there types of controls and websites that JAWS handles but NVDA does not?

 

The transcription platforms mentioned by the student I spoke with provide specific training for JAWS users. I assume that, although the keyboard commands would be different,  this information would be transferable to NVDA. Accessible software should be usable by all screen readers, not just JAWS.

 

I am not familiar with Narrator but am prepared to learn it if I could do the work with it alongside NVDA. Does anyone have thoughts as to how this might work?

 

I understand that one can obtain a free license for JAWS, at least for now. However, the cost of maintaining this software is prohibitive. I have to pay my own costs. I will do this if absolutely necessary but really prefer not to. I would be willing to pay somebody to assist me with NVDA and/or Narrator, as long as the outcome would be worthwhile.

 

Thank you for answering all my questions, I really appreciate your time.

 

Sincerely,

 

Janet Brandly  

 

I have not used Narrator, but if using it alongside   


NVDA, BrightSpace, Medical Transcription platforms

Janet Brandly
 

Hello all,

 

I’m not really sure where to post this message, so if it would be more appropriate for the Chat list please let me know

 

I am considering taking a medical transcription refresher course from a local career college. At least 2 blind/visually impaired students have gone through the program successfully and found gainful employment. The 1 totally blind student used JAWS. For financial and philosophical reasons, I really do not want to use JAWS. However, I’d like to know whether between NVDA and Narrator, I could accomplish the same tasks. Legally, a program or employer cannot dictate which screen reader I use, just as they cannot dictate which brand of glasses a person chooses to wear. However, I anticipate  lot of pushback so I’d like to get as much information/ammunition as possible.

 

The education software the transcription course uses is called Brightspace. I did some preliminary research. The website talks about the software being accessible to screen readers and talks about their ongoing commitment to accessibility. Has anyone used this software with NVDA? If so, what were your experiences?

 

One area of difficulty the blind student found was differentiating different colors in Word documents. Apparently, JAWS cannot do this. assignments and reports are done in Word and corrections added in a different color. Can NVDA distinguish print in different colors in Word documents? If not, is there a workaround? The student using JAWS said that she was able to come up with one.

 

All course texts and reference materials are provided in PDFs. How does NVDA do with large PDFs? I believe they contain links etc. for navigation.

 

Are there any controls JAWS recognizes that NVDA does not? Most research is done on the Internet. Are there types of controls and websites that JAWS handles but NVDA does not?

 

The transcription platforms mentioned by the student I spoke with provide specific training for JAWS users. I assume that, although the keyboard commands would be different,  this information would be transferable to NVDA. Accessible software should be usable by all screen readers, not just JAWS.

 

I am not familiar with Narrator but am prepared to learn it if I could do the work with it alongside NVDA. Does anyone have thoughts as to how this might work?

 

I understand that one can obtain a free license for JAWS, at least for now. However, the cost of maintaining this software is prohibitive. I have to pay my own costs. I will do this if absolutely necessary but really prefer not to. I would be willing to pay somebody to assist me with NVDA and/or Narrator, as long as the outcome would be worthwhile.

 

Thank you for answering all my questions, I really appreciate your time.

 

Sincerely,

 

Janet Brandly  

 

I have not used Narrator, but if using it alongside   


Re: new suggestion

Luke Davis
 

On Thu, 7 May 2020, Andre Fisher wrote:

I'd argue that this is a feature request and not a fix, as NVDA is behaving as it should, for consistency. However, I believe that this request stems from
some links being after bulleted and numbered lists.
Isn't that pretty much what I said? :)
Or, at least, I asked the OP if that was the reason.

Luke


Re: new suggestion

Andre Fisher
 
Edited

Hi.

Is it something like this? When browsing the web, and possibly in Word, the user would want NVDA to focus on the text that would appear after a bullet or number in a list, rather than on the bullet or number itself. For example, on the words "Home" and "Edit" in the list below:

1. Home
2. Edit

I'd argue that this is a feature request and not a fix, as NVDA is behaving as it should, for consistency. However, I believe that this request stems from some links being after bulleted and numbered lists.

Personally, I don't mind the current behaviour. As stated before, it's consistent, and if I see a link in a bulleted or numbered list that I'd wanna click, I automatically just press the K key followed by Enter to activate it. This also works if the link is in the middle of the line.


Re: NVDA 2020.1 released

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Quentin,


I just got this update and it's working great.



Rosemarie




On 5/7/2020 3:47 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

NVDA 2020.1, the newest version of the free screen reader is now available! Highlights include support for new braille displays from HumanWare & APH plus bug fixes such as the ability to read math in Word using MathPlayer / MathType.

This is a recommended update for all users.

Download from https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2020-1-released/ #NVDAsr

Kind regards

Quentin.
--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


saving attachments in Thunderbird

Grant Metcalf
 

I am looking for information about how to know or recognize if a Thunderbird email has an attachment and how to save it. I have not found anything on the links that were recommended.
Much to learn~!
Thank you.
Grant Metcalf, a.k.a. Grandpa DOS
Email: the.gems@...
Home: (650) 589-6890
 


Re: new suggestion

Luke Davis
 

Is the main reason you want this, because of links that appear in lists, and you want to jump right to the start of the link when you enter the list item?

Luke

On Thu, 7 May 2020, bhanu computer wrote:

hi all i dont know this iss write place to give suggestions or not. but developers in next release please include this small fix.
when we are in bulleted lists please add like the curser should move to the main items it means it should move the curser to the list item. you know what i
mean, it should not focus  bullet is should focus to after the bullet.. it means say we have
• ListItem then the focus should not bee on • is should move focus to the ListItem. hope you understude _._,_._,_


Re: PDF Alternative Apart from Edge?

Luke Davis
 

On Thu, 7 May 2020, Daniel Damacena wrote:

It seems that big pdf files can not be read by NVDA on brave. I deal with really big files everyday, so it does not help me...
Can you give an example of "big"? What size of file does this? Is there a link to a sample you can provide?

Luke


new suggestion

bhanu computer
 

hi all i dont know this iss write place to give suggestions or not. but developers in next release please include this small fix.
when we are in bulleted lists please add like the curser should move to the main items it means it should move the curser to the list item. you know what i mean, it should not focus  bullet is should focus to after the bullet.. it means say we have
• ListItem then the focus should not bee on • is should move focus to the ListItem. hope you understude


Re: google and insecure apps

 

On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 06:09 AM, Gene wrote:
Since GMail considers almost every program to be less secure
This is absolutely incorrect.  I haven't had to have "less secure apps" turned on for a couple of years now, since any modern programs that attempt to access Google long ago were updated to employ OAUTH2.

If you are using an ancient e-mail client like Outlook Express or Windows Live Mail (of a certain age, anyway) you'll have to enable the less secure apps option, and even then only sometimes.  You have the option of using app-specific passwords (but that's only if you have 2-step verification on - and I never do as I consider it gross overkill on my Google account).

Even utilities to do things like mass deletion of Google Calendar events or to sync Google Contacts and Calendar to Outlook are OAUTH2 compliant.
 
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Re: PDF Alternative Apart from Edge?

Daniel Damacena
 

It seems that big pdf files can not be read by NVDA on brave. I deal with really big files everyday, so it does not help me...
Anyway, thank you!

Em qua., 6 de mai. de 2020 às 18:07, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> escreveu:

I use brave. Tables are handled nicely, headings are as well. By the way brave is a nice web browser too.

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On 6 May 2020, at 14:01, Clement Chou wrote:

Navigation keys don't seem to work in edge even in places where there
are clearly outlined headings and tables. The NVDA+ctrl+F find feature
doesn't seem to work, either.

On 5/6/20, Bob Jutzi <jutzi@...> wrote:

I still use Adobe Acrobat.

On 5/6/2020 2:36 PM, Daniel Damacena wrote:

I like to use bookworrm. The only problem I notice is: it tweaks the
lines to have the same cize, so it adds artificial line breaks.
It makes us not able to read by paragraphs and you need to remove line
breaks when you're copying quotes to make a paper.
If you just want to read continuously, it's really nice!

Em ter., 5 de mai. de 2020 às 19:04, Clement Chou
<chou.clement@... <mailto:chou.clement@...>> escreveu:

So is Edge the best solution for reading pdfs right now? That's
unfortunate if it is...

On 5/5/20, Sascha Cowley via groups.io <http://groups.io>
<sascha.camille=yahoo.com@groups.io <mailto:yahoo.com@groups.io>>
wrote:
> In my experience, Acrobat is even clunkier than it used to be. I
still
> keep it around as it's slightly better with some tagged PDFs, and I
> often need to fill PDF forms, which Edge doesn't support.
>
> On 6/05/2020 07:39, Clement Chou wrote:
>> Thanks. I'll give that a try... last time I tried adobe reader
it was
>> a bit clunky at best... hopefully things have improved a
little. Just
>> wanted to see what others were using.
>>
>> On 5/5/20, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@...
<mailto:brainardmolly@...>> wrote:
>>> Hi.
>>> You might want to try adobe acrobat. There is a free version.
You can
>>> have
>>> pdfs open in adobe and read them that way if you like.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On Behalf Of
Clement
>>> Chou
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 4:43 PM
>>> To: nvda <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
>>> Subject: [nvda] PDF Alternative Apart from Edge?
>>>
>>> Been using Edge to read PDF's for awhile now, but am trying to
find one
>>> that's more dedicated and that works better than Edge. Any
>>> recommendations?
>>> Adobe products still the best solution? Or is there a more
accesible
>>> alternative?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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