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Re: Cannot edit comments in Word with NVDA #advisory

Rowen Cary
 

Hi, Pranav,
thank you for your reply.
I did this before,
Editing the first and second comments did not encounter any problems, But they cannot be edited later. NVDA announced the "toolbar".


Re: Microsoft OneCore Voices and NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

Sometimes Windows does funny things when it updates.  If you go to the languages in the "languages" screen, can you update them?  Sometimes I think it has an older version of a language, which can cause problems - I've seen issues where this has caused problems with the language a user has NVDA set to.  I'm not sure if you can "update" the voice or the language, or at worst if you remove a language and add it back it should work.


On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 3:11 AM George McCoy <slr1bpz@...> wrote:
I am running NVDA 2020.3 and windows 10 20H2. I have a number of 1-core
voices That I added several versions of windows ago. These include UK
english, Canadian english, Irish english and Indian english. I can
switch to any of the voices with Narrator.  I can see all the voices in
settings>time and language>speech, but NvDA shows only the three
Microsoft voices, Mark, Sera and David.

What do I have to do to get NvDA to allow me to switch to the other
voices on my system?


Thanks,

George








--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: labeling graphics?

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


What is the difference between say the graphics labeler and this feature in golden cursor. I think some one called it a hot spot and If I remember right you could cloclick on a spot and label it then go back to it but you had to bring it up like a elements list if you could not tab to it.


The part from golden cursor it can do other stuff as well.


Commands are below.


• Control+NVDA+L: view saved mouse positions for an application if any.
• Shift+NVDA+l: save a tag or a label for the current mouse position in the currently focused


so in this case it moves the mouse to the area that was labled?


the way I under stand a graphics labeler is button is un labled you label it and when you say tab it is then read out but not sure with the golden cursor way.


Gene nz



On 16/11/2020 11:11 am, Luke Robinett wrote:
it has been requested and shut down many times. For some reason the developer seem to think it’s impossible to add this functionality to NVDA, even though many other screen readers have had graphics labeling for years. Kind of annoying but what can you do?

On Nov 15, 2020, at 9:08 AM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:



Submit a suggestion over github, I doubt it will pass as AI costs money, which most of us do not have.

Take care

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Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

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On 15 Nov 2020, at 7:45, Josh Kennedy wrote:

I posted two or three issues already over the past several years and nothing has been done about adding a graphics labeler or an object labeler or a frames manager to NVDA for making an ad on to do so. I think that NVDA should start to get away from scripting, and start using artificial intelligence and neural engine technology such as is used in the new voiceover for iOS 14. That way NVDA could start to read more things automatically and would rely less on scripting which can easily break when an application version changes The only other screen meter that I know of which used a primitive kind of artificial intelligence to read the screen in which not which did not rely on scripts was ASAP, automatic screen access program for Microsoft DOS made by micro talk. that screen reader was discontinued at around the year 2000 because windows took over. But for its time it was the best screen reader for DOS, or the disk operating system operating system which was available and which was ever made. I hope soon that somebody will at least make an ad on for NVDA which will use the free tensorflow neural Engine technology to allow NVDA to intelligently read the screen even if buttons and other controls may not be accessible in the standard way using standard accessibility measures. Voiceover for iOS can do this even if buttons and other objects are directly drawn onto the screen it can still identify them using artificial intelligence technology. It is amazing! I hope NVDA could do something similar in the future.


Re: Use of Headings, or Rather Lack Thereof, in Groups.IO Discussion Lists

Gene
 

I'm not sure what you mean. Are you saying that the System access to go web site will be taken down? I don't know how much it costs, but you could buy System Access if you want it.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Blaster
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 7:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Use of Headings, or Rather Lack Thereof, in Groups.IO Discussion Lists

The screen reader "System Access" is coming to an end on December 31st
of this year, Ironically, It navigates message to message using the
search by header command flawlessly, I will miss this screen reader.
Since this is possible, perhaps a NVDA kung fu code master could
create an addon?

Hinty, hint, hint hint…


Blaster


On 11/15/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
Have you looked for text that repeats at the end of each message before a
new one begins? There may be something you can search for that is reliable.

I haven't used the archives much but that is often what I look for in such
situations.

I don't have much opinions about headings, I'd have to look at the page
layout to see if something looks useful enough to be a possibly desirable
way to move.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: David Kingsbury
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 3:57 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Use of Headings, or Rather Lack Thereof, in Groups.IO
Discussion Lists



Hi all,



I have come to really value the various Groups.IO lists related to
accessibility, including this one. However, one thing that has always irked

me is how clunky and inefficient navigation is on the web pages where you
access discussion strings on individual topics. Other than a single level 4

heading just above the initial question, there is no use of headings for
replies. Appropriate use of headings here would significantly enable more
efficient navigation by screen reader users.



Previously, I had a few workarounds on web pages for reading through
discussions. If using Edge, I could put it in immersive reader view and that

helped. But with the newest version of Windows 10, immersive reader seems to

have disappeared for some pages and remained for others. I even figured out

that I could search for the number sign with Control F and then F3 to get to

the top of each response because each one used to start with a message
number, but no longer. So now, I am stuck endlessly down arrowing through
the discussions. This is a very inefficient way to navigate web pages.



I emailed the Groups. IO tech support people with this concern several
months ago and they never responded. Because I had figured out some personal

workarounds, and this is a free service, so I suppose you get what you pay
for, I never made a second attempt to contact them. But my workarounds no
longer work, and navigation is very tedious.



I am sure that those who run Groups.IO are people of goodwill. I imagine too

that they are unaware that well-placed insertion of headings greatly
facilitates navigation by screen reader users.



So, a couple of questions. Should list administrators contact the Groups.IO

developers with this concern to ask that they make better use of headings on

the web pages? Or if others on this list agree that better use of headings
would greatly improve our ability to use Groups.IO more efficiently, is
there a way we can advocate as a group, versus sending the occasional
solitary email complaint that ultimately goes unanswered?



Ideally, on the web pages, each original question and the responses would be

tagged with a heading. On the daily digest, “New topics” and “new replies”
would both have headings. However, adding headings to the web pages is the
biggest priority.



I want to emphasize that I wouldn’t expend time on this if I didn’t value
the service. It is an excellent resource. But that doesn’t mean there is no

room for improvement.



Thanks to all who support asking that they do something about this. Also,
sorry in advance for any inconvenience to you because I am sending this
message to several lists, so you may see some repetition.



Regards,

David









Re: labeling graphics?

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


I did not mind the idea for nvda remote. I think it was crowd funded but there was a developer or developers who could make this possible otherwise it could of been much longer before it went in or could be as a add on. there must of been a bit of work to make it possible.


could that be done for the graphics labeler?  I know when they first looked at it I think it slowed down nvda or some thing I would have to look up the ticket to see what the comment was.


In the end the add on for nvda remote ended up in the community but at the same time the people with the knowledge to do it should not do it for free with some thing so complex.


It may be different for other add ons some people with the knowledge want certain things to work and do not mind donating there time and add on to help the community.


Food for thought or maybe they might have some thing in the pipeline for next year? I must agree with talk back at times I do use the graphics labeler if it is there.


At present like every one else if there are unlabled buttons the program will get uninstalled and get a more accessible one.


I did talk to a developer that had done some thing simular but said about the licence and free to the community but would take time to create it but he still had to put food on the table.


Gene nz



On 16/11/2020 11:11 am, Luke Robinett wrote:
it has been requested and shut down many times. For some reason the developer seem to think it’s impossible to add this functionality to NVDA, even though many other screen readers have had graphics labeling for years. Kind of annoying but what can you do?

On Nov 15, 2020, at 9:08 AM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:



Submit a suggestion over github, I doubt it will pass as AI costs money, which most of us do not have.

Take care

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 15 Nov 2020, at 7:45, Josh Kennedy wrote:

I posted two or three issues already over the past several years and nothing has been done about adding a graphics labeler or an object labeler or a frames manager to NVDA for making an ad on to do so. I think that NVDA should start to get away from scripting, and start using artificial intelligence and neural engine technology such as is used in the new voiceover for iOS 14. That way NVDA could start to read more things automatically and would rely less on scripting which can easily break when an application version changes The only other screen meter that I know of which used a primitive kind of artificial intelligence to read the screen in which not which did not rely on scripts was ASAP, automatic screen access program for Microsoft DOS made by micro talk. that screen reader was discontinued at around the year 2000 because windows took over. But for its time it was the best screen reader for DOS, or the disk operating system operating system which was available and which was ever made. I hope soon that somebody will at least make an ad on for NVDA which will use the free tensorflow neural Engine technology to allow NVDA to intelligently read the screen even if buttons and other controls may not be accessible in the standard way using standard accessibility measures. Voiceover for iOS can do this even if buttons and other objects are directly drawn onto the screen it can still identify them using artificial intelligence technology. It is amazing! I hope NVDA could do something similar in the future.


Re: Use of Headings, or Rather Lack Thereof, in Groups.IO Discussion Lists

Alex Kenny
 

When viewing a specific topic, each message is preceded by an HTML separator. You can jump to the next and previous messages using the S and Shift+S quick navigation keys. I do agree that headings would be ideal, however.


Re: Use of Headings, or Rather Lack Thereof, in Groups.IO Discussion Lists

Blaster
 

The screen reader "System Access" is coming to an end on December 31st
of this year, Ironically, It navigates message to message using the
search by header command flawlessly, I will miss this screen reader.
Since this is possible, perhaps a NVDA kung fu code master could
create an addon?

Hinty, hint, hint hint…


Blaster

On 11/15/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
Have you looked for text that repeats at the end of each message before a
new one begins? There may be something you can search for that is reliable.

I haven't used the archives much but that is often what I look for in such
situations.

I don't have much opinions about headings, I'd have to look at the page
layout to see if something looks useful enough to be a possibly desirable
way to move.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: David Kingsbury
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 3:57 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Use of Headings, or Rather Lack Thereof, in Groups.IO
Discussion Lists



Hi all,



I have come to really value the various Groups.IO lists related to
accessibility, including this one. However, one thing that has always irked

me is how clunky and inefficient navigation is on the web pages where you
access discussion strings on individual topics. Other than a single level 4

heading just above the initial question, there is no use of headings for
replies. Appropriate use of headings here would significantly enable more
efficient navigation by screen reader users.



Previously, I had a few workarounds on web pages for reading through
discussions. If using Edge, I could put it in immersive reader view and that

helped. But with the newest version of Windows 10, immersive reader seems to

have disappeared for some pages and remained for others. I even figured out

that I could search for the number sign with Control F and then F3 to get to

the top of each response because each one used to start with a message
number, but no longer. So now, I am stuck endlessly down arrowing through
the discussions. This is a very inefficient way to navigate web pages.



I emailed the Groups. IO tech support people with this concern several
months ago and they never responded. Because I had figured out some personal

workarounds, and this is a free service, so I suppose you get what you pay
for, I never made a second attempt to contact them. But my workarounds no
longer work, and navigation is very tedious.



I am sure that those who run Groups.IO are people of goodwill. I imagine too

that they are unaware that well-placed insertion of headings greatly
facilitates navigation by screen reader users.



So, a couple of questions. Should list administrators contact the Groups.IO

developers with this concern to ask that they make better use of headings on

the web pages? Or if others on this list agree that better use of headings
would greatly improve our ability to use Groups.IO more efficiently, is
there a way we can advocate as a group, versus sending the occasional
solitary email complaint that ultimately goes unanswered?



Ideally, on the web pages, each original question and the responses would be

tagged with a heading. On the daily digest, “New topics” and “new replies”
would both have headings. However, adding headings to the web pages is the
biggest priority.



I want to emphasize that I wouldn’t expend time on this if I didn’t value
the service. It is an excellent resource. But that doesn’t mean there is no

room for improvement.



Thanks to all who support asking that they do something about this. Also,
sorry in advance for any inconvenience to you because I am sending this
message to several lists, so you may see some repetition.



Regards,

David









Re: Cannot edit comments in Word with NVDA #advisory

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Rowen,

 

You need to use Microsoft Word’s comment navigation feature. Navigate to the review tab in the ribbon and then use the “next comment” and “previous comment” items to navigate to your comment of choice.

Once you are at a comment, use the right windows key or context key or shift + f10 to invoke the context meu. You will find an item to edit comments. Once you activate that item, you will be  able to edit the comment.

 

Pranav


Re: Use of Headings, or Rather Lack Thereof, in Groups.IO Discussion Lists

Gene
 

Have you looked for text that repeats at the end of each message before a new one begins? There may be something you can search for that is reliable. I haven't used the archives much but that is often what I look for in such situations.

I don't have much opinions about headings, I'd have to look at the page layout to see if something looks useful enough to be a possibly desirable way to move.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: David Kingsbury
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 3:57 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Use of Headings, or Rather Lack Thereof, in Groups.IO Discussion Lists



Hi all,



I have come to really value the various Groups.IO lists related to accessibility, including this one. However, one thing that has always irked me is how clunky and inefficient navigation is on the web pages where you access discussion strings on individual topics. Other than a single level 4 heading just above the initial question, there is no use of headings for replies. Appropriate use of headings here would significantly enable more efficient navigation by screen reader users.



Previously, I had a few workarounds on web pages for reading through discussions. If using Edge, I could put it in immersive reader view and that helped. But with the newest version of Windows 10, immersive reader seems to have disappeared for some pages and remained for others. I even figured out that I could search for the number sign with Control F and then F3 to get to the top of each response because each one used to start with a message number, but no longer. So now, I am stuck endlessly down arrowing through the discussions. This is a very inefficient way to navigate web pages.



I emailed the Groups. IO tech support people with this concern several months ago and they never responded. Because I had figured out some personal workarounds, and this is a free service, so I suppose you get what you pay for, I never made a second attempt to contact them. But my workarounds no longer work, and navigation is very tedious.



I am sure that those who run Groups.IO are people of goodwill. I imagine too that they are unaware that well-placed insertion of headings greatly facilitates navigation by screen reader users.



So, a couple of questions. Should list administrators contact the Groups.IO developers with this concern to ask that they make better use of headings on the web pages? Or if others on this list agree that better use of headings would greatly improve our ability to use Groups.IO more efficiently, is there a way we can advocate as a group, versus sending the occasional solitary email complaint that ultimately goes unanswered?



Ideally, on the web pages, each original question and the responses would be tagged with a heading. On the daily digest, “New topics” and “new replies” would both have headings. However, adding headings to the web pages is the biggest priority.



I want to emphasize that I wouldn’t expend time on this if I didn’t value the service. It is an excellent resource. But that doesn’t mean there is no room for improvement.



Thanks to all who support asking that they do something about this. Also, sorry in advance for any inconvenience to you because I am sending this message to several lists, so you may see some repetition.



Regards,

David


Re: Use of Headings, or Rather Lack Thereof, in Groups.IO Discussion Lists

 

I have already replied here in a topic of the same title, on the JAWS group, but the same applies to the readers here, but with the tutorial, Searching the NVDA Group Archive.

So here's a copy and paste with the correct tutorial substituted for this group:
----------------------

           I have just updated my tutorial, Searching the NVDA Group Archive, most of which is applicable to browsing and reading the regular Topics page for any given Groups.io group as well.

           I don't know why the table format that Groups.io has started to use is not working correctly with NVDA (and possibly JAWS) under Firefox, but it is working consistently under any Chromium-based browser I've used.  See if that helps out at all.

           As far as Groups.io "higher ups," though the service is seemingly huge, the development team is anything but.  Contacting them with your concerns via support@groups.io is the one and only mechanism I know of.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: labeling graphics?

Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...>
 

it has been requested and shut down many times. For some reason the developer seem to think it’s impossible to add this functionality to NVDA, even though many other screen readers have had graphics labeling for years. Kind of annoying but what can you do?

On Nov 15, 2020, at 9:08 AM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:



Submit a suggestion over github, I doubt it will pass as AI costs money, which most of us do not have.

Take care

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 15 Nov 2020, at 7:45, Josh Kennedy wrote:

I posted two or three issues already over the past several years and nothing has been done about adding a graphics labeler or an object labeler or a frames manager to NVDA for making an ad on to do so. I think that NVDA should start to get away from scripting, and start using artificial intelligence and neural engine technology such as is used in the new voiceover for iOS 14. That way NVDA could start to read more things automatically and would rely less on scripting which can easily break when an application version changes The only other screen meter that I know of which used a primitive kind of artificial intelligence to read the screen in which not which did not rely on scripts was ASAP, automatic screen access program for Microsoft DOS made by micro talk. that screen reader was discontinued at around the year 2000 because windows took over. But for its time it was the best screen reader for DOS, or the disk operating system operating system which was available and which was ever made. I hope soon that somebody will at least make an ad on for NVDA which will use the free tensorflow neural Engine technology to allow NVDA to intelligently read the screen even if buttons and other controls may not be accessible in the standard way using standard accessibility measures. Voiceover for iOS can do this even if buttons and other objects are directly drawn onto the screen it can still identify them using artificial intelligence technology. It is amazing! I hope NVDA could do something similar in the future.


Use of Headings, or Rather Lack Thereof, in Groups.IO Discussion Lists

David Kingsbury
 

Hi all,

 

I have come to really value the various Groups.IO lists related to accessibility, including this one. However, one thing that has always irked me is how clunky and inefficient navigation is on the web pages where you access discussion strings on individual topics. Other than a single level 4 heading just above the initial question, there is no use of headings for replies. Appropriate use of headings here would significantly enable more efficient navigation by screen reader users.

 

Previously, I had a few workarounds on web pages for reading through discussions. If using Edge, I could put it in immersive reader view and that helped. But with the newest version of Windows 10, immersive reader seems to have disappeared for some pages and remained for others. I even figured out that I could search for the number sign with Control F and then F3 to get to the top of each response because each one used to start with a message number, but no longer. So now, I am stuck endlessly down arrowing through the discussions. This is a very inefficient way to navigate web pages.

 

I emailed the Groups. IO tech support people with this concern several months ago and they never responded. Because I had figured out some personal workarounds, and this is a free service, so I suppose you get what you pay for, I never made a second attempt to contact them. But my workarounds no longer work, and navigation is very tedious.

 

I am sure that those who run Groups.IO are people of goodwill. I imagine too that they are unaware that well-placed insertion of headings greatly facilitates navigation by screen reader users.

 

So, a couple of questions. Should list administrators contact the Groups.IO developers with this concern to ask that they make better use of headings on the web pages? Or if others on this list agree that better use of headings would greatly improve our ability to use Groups.IO more efficiently, is there a way we can advocate as a group, versus sending the occasional solitary email complaint that ultimately goes unanswered?

 

Ideally, on the web pages, each original question and the responses would be tagged with a heading. On the daily digest, “New topics” and “new replies” would both have headings. However, adding headings to the web pages is the biggest priority.

 

I want to emphasize that I wouldn’t expend time on this if I didn’t value the service. It is an excellent resource. But that doesn’t mean there is no room for improvement.

 

Thanks to all who support asking that they do something about this. Also, sorry in advance for any inconvenience to you because I am sending this message to several lists, so you may see some repetition.

 

Regards,

David


Re: Using Google Voice Webpage with NVDA

Jackie
 

Age is a number. I lost a gentleman last year who I called my adoptive
dad. He was 96, & he had a blog on my server for around 8 years at the
time of his death, so he was already well into his 80's at that time.
& sharp as a razor! Yeah--I helped him w/blog administration, but the
content was all his. I miss him terribly.

The real trick to doing GV, once you get it set up, is to just know to
press enter on the recipient combo box when sending a msg. As always
on pages like that, virtual find is your friend, as is the 's'
(separator) key.

You have my private email as well if you feel you want to ask
questions or share info that you're not comforttable with on list.
I'll certainly help if I can.

On 11/15/20, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
Jackie,

Thanks for this.  I'll play with it some over the coming days.  Right now
I'm doing this so I can tutor a dear friend of mine who's been using NVDA
(and JAWS before that) for decades now but for whom Google Voice is a new
thing.  Even though she's in her 80s, she's going strong, and these days is
doing a lot of work via phone that requires her to join various phone
conferences.  It is so much easier not to have to literally hold a phone
while working and also not to have to punch in numbers like the phone
numbers and conference access codes, but just to copy and paste them.

And, believe me, I know just exactly where you're coming from with regard to
the brain not having fully engaged without it's morning dose of coffee (and
morning can be any time of morning).
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

*If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to
something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you
have a legal mind.*

~ Thomas Reed Powell





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Re: Translating addons

Cristina Ebetiuc
 

Thank you Joseph!

 

Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10

 

Von: Joseph Lee
Gesendet: Sonntag, 15. November 2020 20:15
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Translating addons

 

Hi,

And such a forum exists:

https://groups.io/g/nvda-translations

You don’t send your translations directly to add-on authors (by the way, NVDA people use Gettext, so translators can use Poedit and other .po file editors), although that could change later (right now translations workflow (not covered here) are going through a major reimagination).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 10:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Translating addons

 

You would be better off contacting the developers and/or maintainers of a specific add-on in regard to collaborating with them to create a translation to be used with that software.

You are not likely to need to know how to program, as most situations where someone translates that's precisely what they're doing.  The developer then tucks those translations in to the structure that allows the end user to select a language (if the code was written with this idea in mind, or using templates with this idea in mind).

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 

 


Re: Translating addons

 

Hi,

And such a forum exists:

https://groups.io/g/nvda-translations

You don’t send your translations directly to add-on authors (by the way, NVDA people use Gettext, so translators can use Poedit and other .po file editors), although that could change later (right now translations workflow (not covered here) are going through a major reimagination).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 10:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Translating addons

 

You would be better off contacting the developers and/or maintainers of a specific add-on in regard to collaborating with them to create a translation to be used with that software.

You are not likely to need to know how to program, as most situations where someone translates that's precisely what they're doing.  The developer then tucks those translations in to the structure that allows the end user to select a language (if the code was written with this idea in mind, or using templates with this idea in mind).

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: Translating addons

Cristina Ebetiuc
 

Thank you. 😊

 

Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10

 

Von: Brian Vogel
Gesendet: Sonntag, 15. November 2020 19:23
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Translating addons

 

You would be better off contacting the developers and/or maintainers of a specific add-on in regard to collaborating with them to create a translation to be used with that software.

You are not likely to need to know how to program, as most situations where someone translates that's precisely what they're doing.  The developer then tucks those translations in to the structure that allows the end user to select a language (if the code was written with this idea in mind, or using templates with this idea in mind).

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Re: Translating addons

 

You would be better off contacting the developers and/or maintainers of a specific add-on in regard to collaborating with them to create a translation to be used with that software.

You are not likely to need to know how to program, as most situations where someone translates that's precisely what they're doing.  The developer then tucks those translations in to the structure that allows the end user to select a language (if the code was written with this idea in mind, or using templates with this idea in mind).

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Translating addons

Cristina Ebetiuc
 

Hi everybody

I would have some Questions regarding translating addons:

  1. Do I Need to know how to Programm in oder to translate addons?
  2. How can I translate addons? Could you please give me a detailed Explanation?

I am Looking foreward to receiving your answers

 

 

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Re: Using Google Voice Webpage with NVDA

 

Jackie,

         Thanks for this.  I'll play with it some over the coming days.  Right now I'm doing this so I can tutor a dear friend of mine who's been using NVDA (and JAWS before that) for decades now but for whom Google Voice is a new thing.  Even though she's in her 80s, she's going strong, and these days is doing a lot of work via phone that requires her to join various phone conferences.  It is so much easier not to have to literally hold a phone while working and also not to have to punch in numbers like the phone numbers and conference access codes, but just to copy and paste them.

          And, believe me, I know just exactly where you're coming from with regard to the brain not having fully engaged without it's morning dose of coffee (and morning can be any time of morning).
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: labeling graphics?

Sarah k Alawami
 

Submit a suggestion over github, I doubt it will pass as AI costs money, which most of us do not have.

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On 15 Nov 2020, at 7:45, Josh Kennedy wrote:

I posted two or three issues already over the past several years and nothing has been done about adding a graphics labeler or an object labeler or a frames manager to NVDA for making an ad on to do so. I think that NVDA should start to get away from scripting, and start using artificial intelligence and neural engine technology such as is used in the new voiceover for iOS 14. That way NVDA could start to read more things automatically and would rely less on scripting which can easily break when an application version changes The only other screen meter that I know of which used a primitive kind of artificial intelligence to read the screen in which not which did not rely on scripts was ASAP, automatic screen access program for Microsoft DOS made by micro talk. that screen reader was discontinued at around the year 2000 because windows took over. But for its time it was the best screen reader for DOS, or the disk operating system operating system which was available and which was ever made. I hope soon that somebody will at least make an ad on for NVDA which will use the free tensorflow neural Engine technology to allow NVDA to intelligently read the screen even if buttons and other controls may not be accessible in the standard way using standard accessibility measures. Voiceover for iOS can do this even if buttons and other objects are directly drawn onto the screen it can still identify them using artificial intelligence technology. It is amazing! I hope NVDA could do something similar in the future.

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