Giles Turnbull

Hi all,

I'm unhappy ... I'm having problems with my smiley faces! I'll use my FB post about it and include a bit of NVDA related info into it.

Giles Turnbull is feeling unhappy.
who am I unhappy with? Facebook, of course! I've noticed that when I type a smiley face with a colon and a right parenthesis, Facebook has started stripping that out of my post or comment. It'd be fine if it was doing some techno jiggery pokery and turning it into a propper emoji but,as far as I can tell, it isn't!
Sod's law says as I try to prove the point by doing it here it'll not vanish ... but normally I'll type a word followd by a space, followed by the colon and then the right parenthesis, and as I'm typing it NVDA tells me there is a colon and a right paren (or if I'm using say all it'll say "smiley face" since I've added that into the dictionary) ... but as soon as it posts NVDA reads the word and then a single space and that's it.

My sighted friends tell me that indeed there is a smiling face so FB IS converting it, but why does my NVDA not identify that there is a graphic or even one of those characters that are silent but you know they are there (like accented characters)?

Here's the transcript from the speech viewer reading the FB post:

Giles Turnbull is feeling unhappy.
who am I unhappy with? Facebook, of course! I've noticed that when I type a smiley face with a colon and a right parenthesis, Facebook has started stripping that out of my post or comment. It'd be fine if it was doing some techno jiggery pokery and turning it into a propper emoji but,as far as I can tell, it isn't!
Sod's law says as I try to prove the point by doing it here it'll not vanish ... but normally I'll have the space before where my colon would be, then a space where the colon should be and then the next word ...
Can anyone confirm whether there is a ascii smiley face, or a pictorial smiley face, as the last thing in this post?
55 mins

Thanks for any suggestions / observations :) ... I'm using NVDA 2018.1 on Win10 and Firefox 59.0.2 (64-bit)

Giles

Issue with drafts in Thunderbird.

John Isige

Hey all. Ran into something to day for the first time, I don't generally save drafts. I haven't tested to see if this happens with shorter drafts, but I wrote a somewhat longish email, it was an assignment so it had thirty fairly short lines followed by some paragraphs. When I started writing the longer stuff today for the last few questions, using the up and down arrows to read lines or say all wouldn't read some of it toward the end. Up and down arrows would produce blank lines, and say all would get to a point and read stuff like "it has three n", where there were a few more sentences after the 'n' it ended with. In case it matters, the draft was formatted like so:

stuff

more stuff

yet more stuff

1. A thingy.

2. another thingy.

30. Last short thingy.

31. A few sentences.

32. A few more sentences.

35. Last sentences.

Maybe the blank lines separating 30 and 31 onward confused it, I did up to 30 the other day and worked on 31-35 today. Anybody know of I way to fix this? It would really be useful to read drafts like any other email I'm composing so I can edit them properly. I guess I could just write things up outside of Thunderbird and not use drafts, but the functionality is there, so it seems a shame not to use it. I should add that moving by words, for instance, read things properly, so did backspacing. This is with latest everything, NVDA 2018.1.1, Windows 10 1709, Thunderbird 52.7.0 32-bit, do they make 64-bit Thunderbird? I wouldn't think that would matter but I am running 64-bit Windows, just in case it does.

setting newsfeeds in Facebook to show differently

Dan Beaver

HI,

I am posting in both lists so maybe someone can tell me how to do this in either environment.

I want to make my Facebook show me newsfeed posts in order of their posting rather than in a seemingly random order.  How can I do this in a browser using NVDA or else on my Iphone 6 using the Facebook app?  I do not care which I use to do this but sure would appreciate learning how to do it.

I have been told my my daughter that there is a setting for this but I can't find it in either environment.  She isn't around locally to help me figure it out.

Thanks.

Dan Beaver

Tables On ESPN Major League Baseball League Standings No Longer Work As They Did In Earlier Versions Of NVDA

Ron Canazzi

Hi Group,

I am using NVDA 2018.1.1 Windows 10, Firefox browser, Edge Browser for this issue.

If you visit http://www.espn.com/mlb/standings the normal table navigation keystrokes such as alt + control + up/down/left/right arrow keys render no movement and no information.  I cannot move to the columns to the left or right and can only move up and down from team name to team name.

Unless this is a recent change in the ESPN website, I think this may be due to the recent upgrade of NVDA.  I say this because last year, with NVDA 2017.4, I did not experience this issue.

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

Re: New Text Aloud Articles Are Blank

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>

I don't use that software, but have you maybe asked the company what access tech they tested it on? If you get the huh? back then you are probably on a loser, but they might just not have tested it on nvda and need tofix it.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2018 7:48 AM
Subject: [nvda] New Text Aloud Articles Are Blank

NVDA2018.1, Windows 10, Version 1709 (OS Build 16299.309)
The company
http://www.nextup.com/
has released a new version of it's TextAloud software.
When I open it up, however, the area in which the article is supposed to be displayed is blank. This text area is not blank, however, with other screen readers. In addition, tabbing and shift tabbing to the various fields such as the article drop down list and voice controls does not work. You have to control tab and control shift tab, instead.
I'd like other users to test it out and see if my findings are demonstrable with them, also. If such is the case, I will write the company with findings.

Re: Firefox ad blocker and nvda and filehippo

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>

Oh you can download, its just their scan of your machin4e to see which items have a new version that caused the issue. filehippo have a header on the bit of the page that contains the items it thinks you need to update that says, advertisement.
One assumes this is supplied via a third party server. It does not stop them scanning your machine should you allow it, but it does stop you seeing the results if the ad blocker is on. My question is how do you using nvda, set up the page as a white list item to allow the advert.
Brian

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Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2018 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox ad blocker and nvda and filehippo

Filehippo make a big song and dance about their software be free of malware adware and viruss
How ironic is that

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Sent: 08 April 2018 11:53
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Firefox ad blocker and nvda and filehippo

Right the folk at File hippo have stopped me using the update checker unless
i turn off the ad blocker by making the data appear like an advert so you
don't see it if its switched on. So at the moment I need to.
1 invoke the update check
2 when the page has loaded, go to add ons and turn off ublock.
3 come back to the results page and refresh it

Then do this in reverse to be able to browse without claptrap annoying me.

I notice there is a white list function in the ublock add on, but using
nvda, I cannot seem to get it to work on the file hippo page I need to turn
it off for. Am I missing something?

You do options, dashboard settings and get a list and at the bottom add
either the address or part of it from the page you want, then hit the button
to add it. The button is above the field but that is just their design.
so what am I missing? Is nvda not letting me see some vital bit?
Brian

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New Text Aloud Articles Are Blank

Rob Hudson

NVDA2018.1, Windows 10, Version 1709 (OS Build 16299.309)
The company
http://www.nextup.com/
has released a new version of it's TextAloud software.
When I open it up, however, the area in which the article is supposed to be displayed is blank. This text area is not blank, however, with other screen readers. In addition, tabbing and shift tabbing to the various fields such as the article drop down list and voice controls does not work. You have to control tab and control shift tab, instead.
I'd like other users to test it out and see if my findings are demonstrable with them, also. If such is the case, I will write the company with findings.

Re: message in email

Holger Fiallo <hfiallo@...>

Using a desktop PC.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 6:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] message in email

Hi

Out of curiosity have you got mouse tracking turned on and the mouse is
some where on the screen ? If it is turned on turn it off with the nvda
key + letter M. If you accidentally hit the mouse while tracking is on
when reading a email it will change the focus to what is under the mouse
Are you using a lap top there may be a touch screen at the bottom of the
keyboard you are brushing and that could be causing it to.

If that is the case and you do not use it on some you can turn it off or
some people just put like a piece of card over that touch screen and
tape it on each side.

Gene nz

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My guess then is that at some point during the read the focus
momentarily is dragged away by some updated part of the screen. You
could try maximising the reading window and see if that stops.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Monte Single" <mrsingle@sasktel.net>
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Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2018 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] message in email

Yes, it happens, not often, when I press insert and down arrow.

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Subject: Re: [nvda] message in email

Is this while doing a say all?
I wonder if its seeing a change somewhere on screen and jumping to it?
Brian, ie the focus

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Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2018 4:49 PM
Subject: [nvda] message in email

Hi y'all,

I'm using current version ov nvda with win 7 and outlook 2013,

Sometimes, while hearing a message, nvda says message and stops

Ideas, suggestions, solutions?

Thanks,

Monte

Re: message in email

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>

Hi

Out of curiosity have you got mouse tracking turned on and the mouse is
some where on the screen ? If it is turned on turn it off with the nvda
key + letter M.  If you accidentally hit the mouse while tracking is on
when reading a email it will change the focus to what is under the mouse
Are you using a lap top there may be a touch screen at the bottom of the
keyboard you are brushing and that could be causing it to.

If that is the case and you do not use it on some you can turn it off or
some people just put like a piece of card over that touch screen and
tape it on each side.

Gene nz

On 4/8/2018 10:42 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
My guess then is that at some point during the read the focus
momentarily is dragged away by some updated part of the screen. You
could try maximising the reading window and see if that stops.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Monte Single" <mrsingle@sasktel.net>
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Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2018 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] message in email

Yes, it  happens, not often,  when I press insert and down arrow.

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Subject: Re: [nvda] message in email

Is this while doing  a say all?
I wonder if its seeing a change somewhere on screen and jumping to it?
Brian, ie the focus

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Subject: [nvda] message in email

Hi y'all,

I'm using current version ov  nvda with win 7  and outlook 2013,

Sometimes, while hearing a message, nvda says message and stops

Ideas, suggestions, solutions?

Thanks,

Monte

Re: Urgently need help about Word 2010

Prem,

I would recommend that you open the word file that you have received from your adviser and immediately save it to your working folder. The original file will still be open, so save it as the original file name with the word working in the file name to distinguish it as your working version. Save this in the same folder as the original.

In your working version, you can make whatever changes you need to correct the text in line with the advice that your adviser has given you.

NVDA works well with Styles in Word and you can list all the styles that are available by pressing control+shift+s. This opens the styles menu. You may need to study how to use different styles so that you can take full advantage of this dialog.

Once you have your working copy of the original file open for editing, you can then open the original copy that I referred to above. Open this in a separate session of Word. Do this by going to the file name in the folder where you have stored it and pressing enter on it. This will open the file in its own session of Word. Now, you will have the two copies open on your computer but in separate windows. You can switch back and forth between them using alt+tab. That way, you can see what the original advice was even though your changes have removed them from your working copy.

I hope this advice is of help to you. Please feel free to contact me privately if you need any further assistance to get going. My email address is set out below my signature.

All the best,

Cearbhall

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 7:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nude] Urgently need help about Word 2010

Prem: Arlene here! Do you have another back up Screan Reader if you want to do the work you are doing using MS word 2010?  If you do try that. What version of it is the other person using?  Although it should not make a difference.  I wonder if you have to upgrade to the latest version of MS Word?  Just a thought.

On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 11:00 AM, <prem.translator@...> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]
[Reason: Edit to add some question. ]

I’m doing a research, after I sent a draft to my advisor, my advisor send me back the original with the following style of editor revision: insertion, Deletion, property formatted, and comment. I use Word 2010 and I have the following question.

How can I deal with the document? Can I edit the one I got from my advisor or I need to create the new one? For example, I move to “deletion” together with the think that NVDA read it to me that it is deleted. How can I do to edit the document following my advisor’s comment? I also don’t know how to deal with the other styles.

Also the other question: What will happen if I edit in the original? Will NVDA still say the revision style from my advisor after editing it?

And the last question for now: How can I do four kinds of revision like this in the future when I have to proofread any document?

Thank you,

Prem.

OT: windows 10 sound theme specification

coffeekingms@hotmail.com

Hi all

My wife mellisa wants me to make a sound theme out of sounds from our Chihuahua pikinese mix. I’ve already done this for Linux, since I know the Linux sound theme specs rather well. But I can’t find a specification for windows own sound themes. I’ve downloaded a couple and looked at the sounds, but the names are always different so I’m not even sure if there is a spec. If there isn’t, can anyone help me make a sound theme that will contain the sounds? I can send the sounds to people off list compressed if needed, but a spec would be easiest, since I wouldn’t have to send sounds, and wait for a response. She wants windows 10 sounds to play tigger’s own sounds instead of the default windows ones, which is proving difficult. Any help would be appreciated

Thanks

Kendell Clark

Re: Which free office package is more accessible libre office or open office with nvda?

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>

Hi guys

\

Thanks for all the feedback she has now gone with a portable version of libra office.

Gene nz

On 4/8/2018 7:05 AM, Ashley Wayne wrote:

Hello,
I have only used open office, and for only basic word processing and spreadsheets.  I have found it to work well with nvda, at least so far anyway.

On Sat, Apr 7, 2018, 11:47 AM Angela Delicata <angeladelicata@...> wrote:
I can confirm that Word processor part in Libre Office is accessible.

Best regards.
Angela from Italy

Il 07/04/2018 13:58, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io ha scritto:
> I think the answer seems to be no, since I use snapshots and neither
> package can read all successfully still.
>
> Also at present no browse and focus mode in either of them. Of the two
> generally, I've had most luck with the portable version of Libra Office.
> However I only ever use the word processor part.
>
> Incidentally, if the with office are going on, the latest  next
> snapshot has a built in tool to re register the dlls that get
> excommunicated. We thought this solved it until recently a new version
> of Skype broke more of the access dlls and stopped bits of excel
>
>
> I'm glad I'm still on windows 7 and an older version of office :-)
>
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene New Zealand"
> <hurrikennyandopo@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2018 11:01 AM
> Subject: [nvda] Which free office package is more accessible libre
> office or open office with nvda?
>
>
>> Hi guys
>>
>>
>> I have just been asked this question as mentioned in the subject line. I
>> do not use these packages at all They also want to know if the package
>> is uninstalled will it cause any problems like she got when she
>> uninstalled a copy of microsoft office or was it another word
>> processing program.
>>
>> not sure which program it was.
>>
>> it would say unknown in the running applications area, the context menu
>> and a few other places.
>>
>> she does not want it to happen again if she decides to try either of
>> them out.
>>
>> By the way have they fixed the problem where when you went to do say all
>> to read the document it would stop after each paragraph.
>>
>>
>> I know they are not as polished as office with browse mode etc but are
>> they still very usable.
>>
>>
>> I think she just wants it for the basics? by the way will it report
>> formatting so you maybe know the size of the text etc
>>
>>
>>
>> any help would be great.
>>
>>
>> Gene nz
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

Re: Using combo boxes in Chrome.

Steve Nutt

Hi,

If you want to get round it for the moment though, just download Chrome Canary, where it is fixed.

All the best

Steve

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: 08 April 2018 13:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using combo boxes in Chrome.

I have heard some rumblings on a web design list that Chrome v65 is not properly relaying some ARIA information to screen readers. This is a  issue that will be corrected in the next version of Chrome and is not a problem in the previous version..

Re: Urgently need help about Word 2010

Arlene

Prem: Arlene here! Do you have another back up Screan Reader if you want to do the work you are doing using MS word 2010?  If you do try that. What version of it is the other person using?  Although it should not make a difference.  I wonder if you have to upgrade to the latest version of MS Word?  Just a thought.

On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 11:00 AM, wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]
[Reason: Edit to add some question. ]

I’m doing a research, after I sent a draft to my advisor, my advisor send me back the original with the following style of editor revision: insertion, Deletion, property formatted, and comment. I use Word 2010 and I have the following question.

How can I deal with the document? Can I edit the one I got from my advisor or I need to create the new one? For example, I move to “deletion” together with the think that NVDA read it to me that it is deleted. How can I do to edit the document following my advisor’s comment? I also don’t know how to deal with the other styles.

Also the other question: What will happen if I edit in the original? Will NVDA still say the revision style from my advisor after editing it?

And the last question for now: How can I do four kinds of revision like this in the future when I have to proofread any document?

Thank you,

Prem.

Urgently need help about Word 2010

prem.translator@...

I’m doing a research, after I sent a draft to my advisor, my advisor send me back the original with the following style of editor revision: insertion, Deletion, property formatted, and comment. I use Word 2010 and I have the following question.

How can I deal with the document? Can I edit the one I got from my advisor or I need to create the new one? For example, I move to “deletion” together with the think that NVDA read it to me that it is deleted. How can I do to edit the document following my advisor’s comment? I also don’t know how to deal with the other styles.

Also the other question: What will happen if I edit in the original? Will NVDA still say the revision style from my advisor after editing it?

And the last question for now: How can I do four kinds of revision like this in the future when I have to proofread any document?

Thank you,

Prem.

Re: Firefox ad blocker and nvda and filehippo

Chris

Filehippo make a big song and dance about their software be free of malware adware and viruss

How ironic is that

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 08 April 2018 11:53
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Firefox ad blocker and nvda and filehippo

Right the folk at File hippo have stopped me using the update checker unless

i turn off the ad blocker by making the data appear like an advert so you

don't see it if its switched on. So at the moment I need to.

1  invoke the update check

2 when the page has loaded, go to add ons and turn off  ublock.

3  come back to the results page and refresh it

Then do this in reverse to be able to browse without claptrap annoying me.

I notice there is a white list function in the ublock add on, but using

nvda, I cannot seem to get it to work on the file hippo page I need to turn

it off for. Am I missing something?

You do options, dashboard settings and get a list and at the bottom add

either the address or part of it from the page you want, then hit the button

to  add it. The button is above the field but that is just their design.

so what am I missing? Is nvda not letting me see some vital bit?

Brian

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Re: announcing end of lines in Scite editor

Jonathan COHN

What Gene and I were working on, is that often times NVDA will say blank for a character it has not been trained to recognize. In these cases if you click numpad 2 three times, NVDA will speak the underlying code associated with that character.

So please enter the program, move to where NVDA says blank and then hit the number 2 three times, if you do this correctly NVDA should say something like 1392 provide that code back to the list. Then we may be able to help you. When Gene attempted to get this code though, it didn’t seem to work so in that case you might have to just live with knowning that blank might be a new line or a Chinese character. (LOL)

Have a great weekend,

Jonathan

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Jiří Fenz <jirifenz@...>
Date: Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 9:20 AM
To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] announcing end of lines in Scite editor

Ok, i have to better specify this think.

Almost everythink is ok in Scite with nvda.

Only when you moving with right arrow cross end of line, nvda says Blank instead of New line.

So this behaviour is dependend only on colors combination in Scite symbol for new line i think.

Dne 06.04.2018 v 19:17 Gene napsal(a):

I don't have the technical knowledge to explain the different information you get and in what order without taking notes and transcribing the information NVDA provides.  I'll say that, if you turn input help on, then press numpad 2, you will hear a description of what happens when you press that key once, twice, or three times quickly.  You just have to press it once when input help is on and all three descriptions will be given.  Pressing the key three times gives you codes for the character you are on when you press that key.  It doesn't matter how you are reviewing the screen.  Any character that you are on will be described.

I'm giving desktop layout commands for input help and the current character command.  I don't use the laptop layout.

I just found something interesting.  It appears that such information may not be available for control characters.  It would be interesting to get an explanation of why.  I tried using the current character on a hard return.  I just heard blank, no matter how I used the command.  Evidently, control characters fall outside of the code NVDA reports.

\Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 11:57 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] announcing end of lines in Scite editor

Would it be possible to use review cursor's Say Character and see what the UNICODE is that is being spoken as "blank" and then add it to a dictionary as a different expression? I haven't played with NVDA enough to know. Or perhaps even just the regular expression .\$ could be used in a dictionary?

On 4/6/18, 11:41 AM, "
nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of bglists@...> wrote:

Hmm what I see is nothing is spoken when you hit return, and if you leave a
line empty it just says blank, much like many editors. This tool behaves a
bit like the editor used by Dolphins scripting system as I recall.

Brian

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From: "Jiří Fenz" <
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To: <
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Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] announcing end of lines in Scite editor

>I think that it's only about gui element behaviour.
>
> Announcing empty instead of New line is the same regardless on lf, cr or
> crlf end of line.
>
> So i think that solving this is about advanced configuration of Scite to
> change how the eol symbol is viewed or forcing autoit to recognize that
> actual symbol as standart new line.
>
> Here is link for portable version of Scite i'm using, if someone want to
> try it directly.
>
>
>
> Jiri Fenz
>
>
>
> Dne 06.04.2018 v 10:56 Shaun Everiss napsal(a):
>> Well it depends I guess you have to look in the editer options it
>> would have to do with how the symbon is rendered for nvda to read.
>>
>> Simplest way would be if there was a dictenary for that program if you
>> can have a spaciffic definition for a particular program I am not sure
>> if thats possible, but you could define the word empty to end of line
>> or do it for the global deffinition and when anything is empty it will
>> be end of line instead.
>>
>> Thats not going to really work that well.
>>
>> We need to find what that symbol actually is that is generated.
>>
>> Is it generating the standard carrage return or linefead, cr/lf symbol
>> for example.
>>
>> crlf symbols usually at least when I did communications and things
>> back in dos usually mean, new line, line end, end of line or simply an
>> empty space depending on the os, unix/linux, windows or dos.
>>
>> In these days, windows/dos has almost the same charset with windows
>> having more of them and linux has a few more.
>>
>> However depending what this thing was developed for, ie unix that
>> could explain the issue you are having, things are translated that
>> symbol may not be translated as such so there may be that issue to
>>
>> Ofcause if you can get a document with just that symbon in it and send
>> it at whoever handles the symbol database then it should be ok.
>>
>> What happens if you create a document with a few new lines or line
>> breaks in them and view it in another text editor.
>>
>> Ie notepad, if the symbol is still empty, then its a symbol issue but
>> if the symbol is read correctly, it could simbly be what the editor is
>> outputting to be translated in which case not much we can do.
>>
>> If the symbol from scyte you get in notepad back is just utter crap
>> then it could be an untranslated symbol probably from unix or something.
>>
>> The next thing to do is send it back here and get someone to find out
>> what that symbol comes from, latx for example has different symbols to
>> text and other programs may have different symbols based on age to a
>> point, etc.
>>
>> So if you find that out then the symbol can be added and your issue is
>> solved.
>>
>> What I fear is that its just what the program outputs at nvda in which
>> case nothing can be done really.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/04/2018 8:45 p.m., Jiří Fenz wrote:
>>> Helllo all,
>>>
>>> i'm using Scite for coding in Autoit.
>>>
>>> Accessibility of thys program is almost total, but when moving with
>>> right or left arrow betveen lines, nvda says Empty instead of New line.
>>>
>>> Is here some option to set classic End of line character in scite to
>>> make it announce new line the same way as for example in notepad?
>>>
>>> With best regards
>>>
>>> Jiri Fenz
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: announcing end of lines in Scite editor

Jiří Fenz <jirifenz@...>

Ok, i have to better specify this think.

Almost everythink is ok in Scite with nvda.

Only when you moving with right arrow cross end of line, nvda says Blank instead of New line.

So this behaviour is dependend only on colors combination in Scite symbol for new line i think.

Dne 06.04.2018 v 19:17 Gene napsal(a):

I don't have the technical knowledge to explain the different information you get and in what order without taking notes and transcribing the information NVDA provides.  I'll say that, if you turn input help on, then press numpad 2, you will hear a description of what happens when you press that key once, twice, or three times quickly.  You just have to press it once when input help is on and all three descriptions will be given.  Pressing the key three times gives you codes for the character you are on when you press that key.  It doesn't matter how you are reviewing the screen.  Any character that you are on will be described.

I'm giving desktop layout commands for input help and the current character command.  I don't use the laptop layout.

I just found something interesting.  It appears that such information may not be available for control characters.  It would be interesting to get an explanation of why.  I tried using the current character on a hard return.  I just heard blank, no matter how I used the command.  Evidently, control characters fall outside of the code NVDA reports.

\Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] announcing end of lines in Scite editor

Would it be possible to use review cursor's Say Character and see what the UNICODE is that is being spoken as "blank" and then add it to a dictionary as a different expression? I haven't played with NVDA enough to know. Or perhaps even just the regular expression .\$ could be used in a dictionary?

﻿On 4/6/18, 11:41 AM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of bglists@...> wrote:

Hmm what I see is nothing is spoken when you hit return, and if you leave a
line empty it just says blank, much like many editors. This tool behaves a
bit like the editor used by Dolphins scripting system as I recall.

Brian

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From: "Jiří Fenz" <jirifenz@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] announcing end of lines in Scite editor

>I think that it's only about gui element behaviour.
>
> Announcing empty instead of New line is the same regardless on lf, cr or
> crlf end of line.
>
> So i think that solving this is about advanced configuration of Scite to
> change how the eol symbol is viewed or forcing autoit to recognize that
> actual symbol as standart new line.
>
> Here is link for portable version of Scite i'm using, if someone want to
> try it directly.
>
>
> Jiri Fenz
>
>
>
> Dne 06.04.2018 v 10:56 Shaun Everiss napsal(a):
>> Well it depends I guess you have to look in the editer options it
>> would have to do with how the symbon is rendered for nvda to read.
>>
>> Simplest way would be if there was a dictenary for that program if you
>> can have a spaciffic definition for a particular program I am not sure
>> if thats possible, but you could define the word empty to end of line
>> or do it for the global deffinition and when anything is empty it will
>> be end of line instead.
>>
>> Thats not going to really work that well.
>>
>> We need to find what that symbol actually is that is generated.
>>
>> Is it generating the standard carrage return or linefead, cr/lf symbol
>> for example.
>>
>> crlf symbols usually at least when I did communications and things
>> back in dos usually mean, new line, line end, end of line or simply an
>> empty space depending on the os, unix/linux, windows or dos.
>>
>> In these days, windows/dos has almost the same charset with windows
>> having more of them and linux has a few more.
>>
>> However depending what this thing was developed for, ie unix that
>> could explain the issue you are having, things are translated that
>> symbol may not be translated as such so there may be that issue to
>>
>> Ofcause if you can get a document with just that symbon in it and send
>> it at whoever handles the symbol database then it should be ok.
>>
>> What happens if you create a document with a few new lines or line
>> breaks in them and view it in another text editor.
>>
>> Ie notepad, if the symbol is still empty, then its a symbol issue but
>> if the symbol is read correctly, it could simbly be what the editor is
>> outputting to be translated in which case not much we can do.
>>
>> If the symbol from scyte you get in notepad back is just utter crap
>> then it could be an untranslated symbol probably from unix or something.
>>
>> The next thing to do is send it back here and get someone to find out
>> what that symbol comes from, latx for example has different symbols to
>> text and other programs may have different symbols based on age to a
>> point, etc.
>>
>> So if you find that out then the symbol can be added and your issue is
>> solved.
>>
>> What I fear is that its just what the program outputs at nvda in which
>> case nothing can be done really.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/04/2018 8:45 p.m., Jiří Fenz wrote:
>>> Helllo all,
>>>
>>> i'm using Scite for coding in Autoit.
>>>
>>> Accessibility of thys program is almost total, but when moving with
>>> right or left arrow betveen lines, nvda says Empty instead of New line.
>>>
>>> Is here some option to set classic End of line character in scite to
>>> make it announce new line the same way as for example in notepad?
>>>
>>> With best regards
>>>
>>> Jiri Fenz
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: message in email

Monte Single

O K.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: April-08-18 4:42 AM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] message in email

My guess then is that at some point during the read the focus momentarily is
dragged away by some updated part of the screen. You could try maximising
the reading window and see if that stops.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] message in email

Yes, it happens, not often, when I press insert and down arrow.

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Is this while doing a say all?
I wonder if its seeing a change somewhere on screen and jumping to it?
Brian, ie the focus

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Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2018 4:49 PM
Subject: [nvda] message in email

Hi y'all,

I'm using current version ov nvda with win 7 and outlook 2013,

Sometimes, while hearing a message, nvda says message and stops reading.

Ideas, suggestions, solutions?

Thanks,

Monte

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