From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 12:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

 

Hello All,

          This is a navigation method that I really have yet to wrap my head around.  My intent with this topic is not to trigger a discussion of the abstract concepts of object navigation, though they're certainly not unwelcome, but to elicit a collection of specific programs/dialogs/etc. where you personally use object navigation to get around in it and how it travels when you do.

           I have not had a lot of luck yet when just playing with object navigation at random, and figure I (and perhaps many others) might "get the hang of it" much better if we were trying it out in a context either that we're familiar with but haven't used it, or in a context someone else has described so that our experimentation has more meaning from the outset.

           If you feel so inclined, please share.
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A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 6:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

Hi,
Nope - let's not confuse screen review with JAWS cursor please. Screen review is limited to the foreground window, whereas JAWS cursor can be used to navigate anywhere.
Cheers,
JOseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 4:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

Jackie said in part:
perhaps the easiest way to talk about object navigation is to think about what you do w/your mouse.
My comment:
What you do with your mouse is not object navigation. It is screen review but using the mouse instead of review mode. I wrote what I did because it is important not to conflate screen-review, whether using review mode in NVDA or the mouse, with object navigation.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 6:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

Hi,
Jackie didn't talk about screen review at all - she talked about the mouse.
The original question didn't specify screen review at all - Brian wanted to know places in which object navigation might be useful in obtaining information (for the record, Settings app example is one place where screen review cannot be used at all).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 3:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

But the way you move is often different when using screen review and object navigation and there are times when you get little or no useful information one way and you do with the other. Also, you may get very different results such as in Notepad. If you use the review commands such as 7 and 9 when in object navigation mode, you can read an entire document that way because the opened document is one single object, I can open a hundreds of page document and move through the entire document. Using screen review, I am just reviewing the one screen.

It is important to know that these ways of moving are different.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 5:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

Hi,
But the abstraction is the same: regardless of using a mouse or object navigation commands, a user is navigating controls that are not accessible with keyboard commands.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 3:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

You are describing screen review mode or the JAWS cursor. Object navigation is a very different system of movement.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Jackie
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 5:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

Brian, perhaps the easiest way to talk about object navigation is to think about what you do w/your mouse. You move around the screen, point at an object you want to interact with, & then click.

If a program's funtions are accessible w/tab, shift-tab, & arrow keys, then object navigation isn't necessary. But what if they're not? (& often they aren't). This is when object navigation can become a real lifesaver. So it's basically accessing programatic elements when the customary keyboard commands can't.

Does that help you at all?

On 8/6/20, David Goldfield <david.goldfield@outlook.com> wrote:

I often use object navigation when navigating through the screens in
Kaspersky Antivirus.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 8/6/2020 5:16 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Thank you to all who have offered their experiences and to all who
may have yet to do so. This is exactly what I was hoping to get when
I made the initial post, and I really, really appreciate the input.

--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

/A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings
unintentionally./

~ Oscar Wilde

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 4:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

Jackie said in part:
perhaps the easiest way to talk about object navigation is to think about what you do w/your mouse.
My comment:
What you do with your mouse is not object navigation. It is screen review but using the mouse instead of review mode. I wrote what I did because it is important not to conflate screen-review, whether using review mode in NVDA or the mouse, with object navigation.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 6:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

Hi,
Jackie didn't talk about screen review at all - she talked about the mouse.
The original question didn't specify screen review at all - Brian wanted to know places in which object navigation might be useful in obtaining information (for the record, Settings app example is one place where screen review cannot be used at all).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 3:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

But the way you move is often different when using screen review and object navigation and there are times when you get little or no useful information one way and you do with the other. Also, you may get very different results such as in Notepad. If you use the review commands such as 7 and 9 when in object navigation mode, you can read an entire document that way because the opened document is one single object, I can open a hundreds of page document and move through the entire document. Using screen review, I am just reviewing the one screen.

It is important to know that these ways of moving are different.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 5:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

Hi,
But the abstraction is the same: regardless of using a mouse or object navigation commands, a user is navigating controls that are not accessible with keyboard commands.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 3:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

You are describing screen review mode or the JAWS cursor. Object navigation is a very different system of movement.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Jackie
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 5:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

Brian, perhaps the easiest way to talk about object navigation is to think about what you do w/your mouse. You move around the screen, point at an object you want to interact with, & then click.

If a program's funtions are accessible w/tab, shift-tab, & arrow keys, then object navigation isn't necessary. But what if they're not? (& often they aren't). This is when object navigation can become a real lifesaver. So it's basically accessing programatic elements when the customary keyboard commands can't.

Does that help you at all?

On 8/6/20, David Goldfield <david.goldfield@outlook.com> wrote:

I often use object navigation when navigating through the screens in
Kaspersky Antivirus.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 8/6/2020 5:16 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Thank you to all who have offered their experiences and to all who
may have yet to do so. This is exactly what I was hoping to get when
I made the initial post, and I really, really appreciate the input.

--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

/A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings
unintentionally./

~ Oscar Wilde

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-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 6:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

Hi,
Jackie didn't talk about screen review at all - she talked about the mouse. The original question didn't specify screen review at all - Brian wanted to know places in which object navigation might be useful in obtaining information (for the record, Settings app example is one place where screen review cannot be used at all).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 3:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

But the way you move is often different when using screen review and object navigation and there are times when you get little or no useful information one way and you do with the other. Also, you may get very different results such as in Notepad. If you use the review commands such as 7 and 9 when in object navigation mode, you can read an entire document that way because the opened document is one single object, I can open a hundreds of page document and move through the entire document. Using screen review, I am just reviewing the one screen.

It is important to know that these ways of moving are different.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 5:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

Hi,
But the abstraction is the same: regardless of using a mouse or object navigation commands, a user is navigating controls that are not accessible with keyboard commands.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 3:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

You are describing screen review mode or the JAWS cursor. Object navigation is a very different system of movement.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Jackie
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 5:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

Brian, perhaps the easiest way to talk about object navigation is to think about what you do w/your mouse. You move around the screen, point at an object you want to interact with, & then click.

If a program's funtions are accessible w/tab, shift-tab, & arrow keys, then object navigation isn't necessary. But what if they're not? (& often they aren't). This is when object navigation can become a real lifesaver. So it's basically accessing programatic elements when the customary keyboard commands can't.

Does that help you at all?

On 8/6/20, David Goldfield <david.goldfield@outlook.com> wrote:

I often use object navigation when navigating through the screens in
Kaspersky Antivirus.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 8/6/2020 5:16 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Thank you to all who have offered their experiences and to all who
may have yet to do so. This is exactly what I was hoping to get when
I made the initial post, and I really, really appreciate the input.

--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

/A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings
unintentionally./

~ Oscar Wilde

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 3:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

But the way you move is often different when using screen review and object navigation and there are times when you get little or no useful information one way and you do with the other. Also, you may get very different results such as in Notepad. If you use the review commands such as 7 and 9 when in object navigation mode, you can read an entire document that way because the opened document is one single object, I can open a hundreds of page document and move through the entire document. Using screen review, I am just reviewing the one screen.

It is important to know that these ways of moving are different.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 5:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

Hi,
But the abstraction is the same: regardless of using a mouse or object navigation commands, a user is navigating controls that are not accessible with keyboard commands.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 3:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

You are describing screen review mode or the JAWS cursor. Object navigation is a very different system of movement.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Jackie
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 5:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

Brian, perhaps the easiest way to talk about object navigation is to think about what you do w/your mouse. You move around the screen, point at an object you want to interact with, & then click.

If a program's funtions are accessible w/tab, shift-tab, & arrow keys, then object navigation isn't necessary. But what if they're not? (& often they aren't). This is when object navigation can become a real lifesaver. So it's basically accessing programatic elements when the customary keyboard commands can't.

Does that help you at all?

On 8/6/20, David Goldfield <david.goldfield@outlook.com> wrote:

I often use object navigation when navigating through the screens in
Kaspersky Antivirus.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 8/6/2020 5:16 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Thank you to all who have offered their experiences and to all who
may have yet to do so. This is exactly what I was hoping to get when
I made the initial post, and I really, really appreciate the input.

--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

/A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings
unintentionally./

~ Oscar Wilde

--
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On 6 Aug 2020, at 15:29, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 12:11 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

One context where I use object navigation is Windows 10 Settings (Windows+I) where you must use object navigation to read certain information.

-
Joseph, would you mind offering a little bit more detail?  I can tab out of the search box in Settings then use the arrow keys to move around the grid of the various settings.  I can use right arrow to go from beginning to end and when I hit the end (Update & Security) right arrow stops working and left arrow works backward.  I can also use down/up arrow if there is an item below/above the one I'm on.  If I use object navigation to traverse the list (as it's treated as a list in object navigation) what I'm hearing is exactly what I'm hearing if I'm arrowing around.

I'm trying to figure out what I'm missing, as in what the "certain information" you've made reference to.  In my case, when moving about, I'm getting the title of the specific setting as well as its numeric position in the list.  This is a perfect example of where I think I may be missing something that can be achieved via object navigation.  For each item in the list of settings, after its title is a bit of descriptive text, e.g., for System, the first settings list item, it reads, "Display, sound, notifications, power," in small text afterward.  I virtually never actually read these, as it's the title of the settings I'm about to open that interests me, but it is there.  I'm wondering if that may be what you're talking about.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 06:43 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

X507UAR

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Support Page:  https://www.asus.com/Laptops/ASUS-Laptop-X507UA/HelpDesk_download/

When I select the what's noted above in the CPU/BIOS dropdown, along with Windows 10 for the OS, there are a number of very recent updates, particularly recent is the BIOS/UEFI update from June of this year.  The most recent Audio driver is noted as being from August 2019.

There is also a download link for a utility called ICESound (that comes in a ZIP file) from February 2020 that is described: It is intelligent audio enhancement software that improves the audio quality in sound experiences on laptops.

Most importantly, Asus has a system updater utility, Asus Live Update, that checks for all the device driver and other updates that are applicable to your computer, and when these are provided by the computer's manufacturer I strongly recommend that they be used.  They make keeping all the essentials for your computer current much more easily than anything else will.  I'd download and install that and let it do its thing as soon as is reasonably possible.  I suspect you'll have a bunch of things identified as needing updates.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 5:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

Hi,
But the abstraction is the same: regardless of using a mouse or object navigation commands, a user is navigating controls that are not accessible with keyboard commands.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 3:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

You are describing screen review mode or the JAWS cursor. Object navigation is a very different system of movement.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Jackie
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 5:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

Brian, perhaps the easiest way to talk about object navigation is to think about what you do w/your mouse. You move around the screen, point at an object you want to interact with, & then click.

If a program's funtions are accessible w/tab, shift-tab, & arrow keys, then object navigation isn't necessary. But what if they're not? (& often they aren't). This is when object navigation can become a real lifesaver. So it's basically accessing programatic elements when the customary keyboard commands can't.

Does that help you at all?

On 8/6/20, David Goldfield <david.goldfield@outlook.com> wrote:

I often use object navigation when navigating through the screens in
Kaspersky Antivirus.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 8/6/2020 5:16 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Thank you to all who have offered their experiences and to all who
may have yet to do so. This is exactly what I was hoping to get when
I made the initial post, and I really, really appreciate the input.

--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

/A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings
unintentionally./

~ Oscar Wilde

--
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On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 05:38 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

The make is Asus and I don't know off the top of my head what the model is.

-
Unfortunately, then, I'm stuck.  There are, literally, thousands of Asus computer models, and without the specific model it's impossible to determine what the most recent drivers Asus has for a given computer are.

The only way I know of that you might be able to get the model number, as what's provided varies by maker, is using the DXDIAG command.  Hit Winkey+R, enter DXDIAG in the open edit box, then hit Enter.  You'll get a message about needing to connect to the internet to check certain things which it's fine to OK, then after about 15-30 seconds a window will pop up with the title DirectX Diagnostic Tool and it is open to its System tab.  In that tab, what's shown to the right of the label System model is the model.  There is also an Sound tab where the driver information for your sound device (usually output device, e.g., speakers/headphones) is shown.  What's important is the Date shown for the sound driver since you'd be checking on your computer's Drivers & Software page to see if the driver they offer is newer than what you have (also make a note of the version number, too, as there are times when an updated package is released, but the driver in it is the same version as an earlier package).

 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 3:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

 

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 12:11 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

One context where I use object navigation is Windows 10 Settings (Windows+I) where you must use object navigation to read certain information.

-
Joseph, would you mind offering a little bit more detail?  I can tab out of the search box in Settings then use the arrow keys to move around the grid of the various settings.  I can use right arrow to go from beginning to end and when I hit the end (Update & Security) right arrow stops working and left arrow works backward.  I can also use down/up arrow if there is an item below/above the one I'm on.  If I use object navigation to traverse the list (as it's treated as a list in object navigation) what I'm hearing is exactly what I'm hearing if I'm arrowing around.

I'm trying to figure out what I'm missing, as in what the "certain information" you've made reference to.  In my case, when moving about, I'm getting the title of the specific setting as well as its numeric position in the list.  This is a perfect example of where I think I may be missing something that can be achieved via object navigation.  For each item in the list of settings, after its title is a bit of descriptive text, e.g., for System, the first settings list item, it reads, "Display, sound, notifications, power," in small text afterward.  I virtually never actually read these, as it's the title of the settings I'm about to open that interests me, but it is there.  I'm wondering if that may be what you're talking about.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 3:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

You are describing screen review mode or the JAWS cursor. Object navigation is a very different system of movement.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Jackie
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 5:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

Brian, perhaps the easiest way to talk about object navigation is to think about what you do w/your mouse. You move around the screen, point at an object you want to interact with, & then click.

If a program's funtions are accessible w/tab, shift-tab, & arrow keys, then object navigation isn't necessary. But what if they're not? (& often they aren't). This is when object navigation can become a real lifesaver. So it's basically accessing programatic elements when the customary keyboard commands can't.

Does that help you at all?

On 8/6/20, David Goldfield <david.goldfield@outlook.com> wrote:

I often use object navigation when navigating through the screens in
Kaspersky Antivirus.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 8/6/2020 5:16 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Thank you to all who have offered their experiences and to all who
may have yet to do so. This is exactly what I was hoping to get when
I made the initial post, and I really, really appreciate the input.

--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

/A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings
unintentionally./

~ Oscar Wilde

--
Subscribe to a WordPress for Newbies Mailing List by sending a message to:
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On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 05:56 PM, Gene wrote:

Before making changes such as installing a different driver, if there is no sighted help available in a reasonable time, should anything be done without an external USB sound card, speaker, or headphones?

-
A very reasonable question, that's for sure, and if it were my only computer, and I'd be completely "dead in the water" without it, then I'd definitely not be doing major updates to audio device drivers in particular if I didn't have emergency sighted assistance, and that assistant has to have an idea of dealing with rolling back updates to drivers, before doing so.

All of the above being said, and meant, I have never had a driver update that was supplied by the computer's manufacturer (or the sound card's manufacturer) that killed a device when applied.  The same cannot be said of third-party sources, which is why I warn people that there are only three sources from which drivers should be sourced and updates be accepted:  Windows Update, the support page from your computer's manufacturer, the support page from the device's manufacturer.

 
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A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jackie
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 5:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

Brian, perhaps the easiest way to talk about object navigation is to
think about what you do w/your mouse. You move around the screen,
point at an object you want to interact with, & then click.

If a program's funtions are accessible w/tab, shift-tab, & arrow keys,
then object navigation isn't necessary. But what if they're not? (&
often they aren't). This is when object navigation can become a real
lifesaver. So it's basically accessing programatic elements when the
customary keyboard commands can't.

Does that help you at all?

On 8/6/20, David Goldfield <david.goldfield@outlook.com> wrote:

I often use object navigation when navigating through the screens in
Kaspersky Antivirus.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 8/6/2020 5:16 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Thank you to all who have offered their experiences and to all who may
have yet to do so. This is exactly what I was hoping to get when I
made the initial post, and I really, really appreciate the input.

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Hi,

That’s the information we’ve been waiting for. At least it helps us narrow down the culprit a bit further.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharni-Lee Ward
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 2:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA

 

The make is Asus and I don't know off the top of my head what the model is. I do know I have Realtec drivers, and that they were responsible for the internal mike on my laptop being as godawful as it is, but I couldn't find the enhancements for that. My USB mike is far superior so I don't care about it any more.

 

It should be noted that this never happens with audio from other sources.

On 7/08/2020 7:29 am, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 05:24 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

I don't know how to check this or how to update the driver without assistance.

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Which I'm happy to provide, but more information is necessary.  As a starting point, what is the make and model of your computer?
 
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