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Re: can nvda read shared screen in Zoom?
No, you cannot read slides the teacher shows, at least I could not do it on any platform in zoom. Good luck. -- Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. Check out my adventures with a shadow machine. to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there. For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there. Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here
On 11 Aug 2020, at 17:05, soloman s wrote:
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Re: can nvda read shared screen in Zoom?
CARLOS-ESTEBAN <carlosestebanpianista@...>
Hello.
You can use the OCR in share contend Window with NVDA+R. Is possible use the addon Lion with the Window of Zoom maximiced, but in some cases don’t work good. Regards. -----Mensaje original----- De: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> En nombre de soloman s Enviado el: martes, 11 de agosto de 2020 19:05 Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io Asunto: Re: [nvda] can nvda read shared screen in Zoom? Hi, I would be grateful for tips on this as well. Meanwhile, you can capture images with the assistance of someone which, can later be scanned using Envision for instance. But when you do screenshare, you are in full control of your content. Please remember to protect the ears of your sighted students by using headset. On 8/12/20, Aschalew Byness <gakidan.ashagre235@gmail.com> wrote: Hi All? -- With warm regards Solomon S teachsolo@gmail.com
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Windows 10 App Essentials 20.08, an important note for dev snapshot users
#addonrelease
Hello all,
Windows 10 App Essentials 20.08 (fifth anniversary edition) is now available. Among many changes in this release (majority of which took place last week), the add-on now supports upcoming Windows 10 Version 20H2 and significant usability enhancements were made to modern input facility support (emoji panel, clipboard history, hardware input suggestions, dictation, and on newer feature updates, CJK IME candidate reading), the latter for braille users. It also includes Calculator improvements, Open With dialog fix is now available for Version 1909 users, and some workarounds for 20H2. As always, the new add-on release is available via community add-ons website and via Add-on Updater.
As for the subtitle: it’s been five years since the release of first test release of Windows 10 App Essentials in August 2015. The official release didn’t happen until December 2015, but for all record-keeping purposes, August 2015 (15.08 preview) is the first release.
A note on modern input facility support changes: modern input facility improvements came from an unlikely source: a speech presented by a blind high school student at this year’s National Federation of the Blind virtual convention, detailing her experiences as she and other blind high school students sued College Board over lack of Advanced Placement (AP) braille tests this year (perhaps I’ll describe the shock I felt while watching this speech and the follow-up actions taken in detail at another time); since modern input facility wasn’t quite optimized for braille users, this speech gave me the courage to revisit design decisions I made regarding emoji panel support three years ago and make extensive rewrites to improve user experience. Although emoji descriptions will not be brailed in human-readable languages (it only prints hexadecimal values unless Braille Extender is installed), WinTenApps 20.08 improves other aspects of emoji panel support, the most notable being that NVDA will no longer jump all over emoji panel when People emoji group is selected, which should make braille users more happy.
Several announcements:
Enjoy. Cheers, Joseph
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Re: can nvda read shared screen in Zoom?
soloman s
Hi,
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I would be grateful for tips on this as well. Meanwhile, you can capture images with the assistance of someone which, can later be scanned using Envision for instance. But when you do screenshare, you are in full control of your content. Please remember to protect the ears of your sighted students by using headset.
On 8/12/20, Aschalew Byness <gakidan.ashagre235@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All? --
With warm regards Solomon S teachsolo@gmail.com
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can nvda read shared screen in Zoom?
Aschalew Byness
Hi All?
I want to read the slydes shared by a host in a Zoom meeting. Can NVDA read the shared screen by the zoom host to me? if yes, How?
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Re: problem with search edit box in folders
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I think I know why this is happening. But just to verify, from File Explorer, press Control+E to focus to search field. Wait about ten seconds then press Control+NVDA+F1. If it says "searchui" or "searchapp", then yes, this is Windows Search interface, not File Explorer. I look forward to a day when I can sleep better at nights knowing that folks don't have to install Windows 10 App Essentials add-on to use many features. Cheers, Joseph
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 3:34 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with search edit box in folders Very strange. I can't really comment on the window not refreshing (I'm guessing visually the info is there but NVDA doesn't "see it" til you return to the window) But to me there doesn't seem a huge difference between pressing enter and down arrow. Unfortunately I can't totally recall how things seemed to work before, but I seem to recall search populating as I was typing into the box. So for example in my "films" folder I could start typing "holocaust" into the search box and after a few letters "cannibal holocaust" would be there, etc. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of seb naudet Sent: August 11, 2020 4:35 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with search edit box in folders yes i have to refresh the window with alt tab. if i don't, folder list is not filtered, and sometimes i'm stuck in anempty window. in previous windows version i only had to down arrow to display search results. like in start menu. Le 11/08/2020 à 21:57, JM Casey a écrit : I've had to press enter for a while now. Not sure when it started but maybe an update or so ago for me (and I'm still on 1909). But alt-tab? That is strange. You mean there is a separate window coming up? Or are results not showing up until you return to your initial file explorer window..maybe not being recognised by nVDA?
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Re: problem with search edit box in folders
JM Casey
Very strange.
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I can't really comment on the window not refreshing (I'm guessing visually the info is there but NVDA doesn't "see it" til you return to the window) But to me there doesn't seem a huge difference between pressing enter and down arrow. Unfortunately I can't totally recall how things seemed to work before, but I seem to recall search populating as I was typing into the box. So for example in my "films" folder I could start typing "holocaust" into the search box and after a few letters "cannibal holocaust" would be there, etc.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of seb naudet Sent: August 11, 2020 4:35 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with search edit box in folders yes i have to refresh the window with alt tab. if i don't, folder list is not filtered, and sometimes i'm stuck in anempty window. in previous windows version i only had to down arrow to display search results. like in start menu. Le 11/08/2020 à 21:57, JM Casey a écrit : I've had to press enter for a while now. Not sure when it started but maybe an update or so ago for me (and I'm still on 1909). But alt-tab? That is strange. You mean there is a separate window coming up? Or are results not showing up until you return to your initial file explorer window..maybe not being recognised by nVDA?
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Re: problem with search edit box in folders
Chris Mullins
Hi Using the folder search box has not been something I have used very much because I can usually find the file I want by quickly typing the first 1, 2 or 3 letters of the file name whilst focused in the list view, and arrowing to the required file if it’s not the one moved to immediately. When I saw this post, I had a dig around, first in the File, Options menu item available when in File Explorer. Move to the View tab then arrow through the Advanced Settings treeview and there are a couple of settings related to searching. Find the entry entitled “When typing into Listview...” and expand it. There are 2 mutually exclusive options “Automatically type into the Search box” and “ Select the typed item in the view”.
I set mine to “Select item in the View” to On which means the other option is off. This allows me to access files as described above but I can also backtab from the listview into the search box type in my search criteria and then use down arrow to access the results. I hadn’t much success with this in the past but I also checked out the Search category in the main Windows Settings dialog (Windows+I). In the “Searching Windows” sub-category, yu can set what you want to search (I chose Classic), index your folders and also troubleshoot indexing. After I used the Advanced Search Indexing performance” link, searching using the Search Box in File Explorer became much easier.
Cheers Chris
From: JM Casey
Sent: 11 August 2020 20:57 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with search edit box in folders
I've had to press enter for a while now. Not sure when it started but maybe an update or so ago for me (and I'm still on 1909). But alt-tab? That is strange. You mean there is a separate window coming up? Or are results not showing up until you return to your initial file explorer window..maybe not being recognised by nVDA?
-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of seb naudet Sent: August 11, 2020 6:27 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] problem with search edit box in folders
Hello list,
i've recently updated my windows 10 pro (64-bit) Version 2004 (10.0.19041)
and last NVDA available.
when i search for a file in a folder i now have to press enter after typing the name, and alt tab to see the result of my search.
quite complicate compared with previous version of windows.
any idea to simplify access to search results?
thank you
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Re: Thunderbird quick key folder nav extension
Dan Beaver
Just after a TB update I often can't get NVDA to read the list of folders. However, if I shut down TB and bring it back up then NVDA reads them just fine so I think it is just a quirky thing with the updates.
The extension thing is separate from the update issue.
Dan Beaver On 8/11/2020 5:16 PM, David Goldfield
wrote:
-- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)
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Re: Thunderbird quick key folder nav extension
David Goldfield
I have noticed that the treeview of email folders isn't always
accessible right after a Thunderbird update. I'm not certain if
that is related to the problem but just wondering if closing and
then restarting Thunderbird restores normal functionality. David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019 www.davidgoldfield.org On 8/11/2020 3:05 PM, Dan Beaver wrote:
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Re: Protonmail
Jesse Farquharson
Hello Marco, Sadly I haven't been able to access the code that is needed to run the bridge successfully. You may need sighted assistance if you can get it. Alternatively, I would try e-mailing ProtonMail support. Explain what a screenreader is and why you use it if you can, and maybe they can help you somehow. Good luck.
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Re: problem with search edit box in folders
seb naudet
yes i have to refresh the window with alt tab.
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if i don't, folder list is not filtered, and sometimes i'm stuck in anempty window. in previous windows version i only had to down arrow to display search results. like in start menu.
Le 11/08/2020 à 21:57, JM Casey a écrit :
I've had to press enter for a while now. Not sure when it started but maybe an update or so ago for me (and I'm still on 1909). But alt-tab? That is strange. You mean there is a separate window coming up? Or are results not showing up until you return to your initial file explorer window..maybe not being recognised by nVDA?
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Protonmail
Hello.
Have You use Protonmail with NVDA and Thunderbird? Please, how to use NVDA with bridge client? I would like to use my protonmail address with Thunderbird. Have You somebody some experiences with that? Thank You. Marco
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Re: problem with search edit box in folders
JM Casey
I've had to press enter for a while now. Not sure when it started but maybe an update or so ago for me (and I'm still on 1909). But alt-tab? That is strange. You mean there is a separate window coming up? Or are results not showing up until you return to your initial file explorer window..maybe not being recognised by nVDA?
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of seb naudet Sent: August 11, 2020 6:27 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] problem with search edit box in folders Hello list, i've recently updated my windows 10 pro (64-bit) Version 2004 (10.0.19041) and last NVDA available. when i search for a file in a folder i now have to press enter after typing the name, and alt tab to see the result of my search. quite complicate compared with previous version of windows. any idea to simplify access to search results? thank you
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Re: More help: Selecting text with the caret without losing selection
Jonathan Milam
That's correct, and I think that is where the disconnect is with this
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 3:02 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] More help: Selecting text with the caret without losing selection I see that in general, that's what the command does. I've almost never used it and I didn't recall it. But in doing what you are doing, it doesn't work properly. If I am in forms mode and use carret browsing to select text on a web page the NVDA shift up arrow command doesn't read the text. It has something to do with how text is presented to the screen-reader. If I select text with browse mode off, then copy it to the clipboard and use the read clipboard command, the text is read. Going into browse mode again after selecting text with caret browsing doesn't cause the command to work to tell you what you selected. You selected text directly on the web page. When you go back into browse mode, no text is selected in the browse mode buffer, which is where you select text in browse mode. In other words, browse mode doesn't know anything about text you have selected on the page. it only knows about text you select while in browse mode from the browse mode buffer. Gene -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Milam Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 1:41 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] More help: Selecting text with the caret without losing selection Thanks, Gene. Sorry if I wasn't clear. I was actually using NVDA+Shift+UpArrow to read text that was selected at the caret. The problem with this web application is that it has a frame that NVDA is supposed to see to allow navigation in Focus mode. I think the company is saying that the Caret browsing method allows this navigation, but in fact it doesn't. It goes back to what you are saying in that Screen-readers are completely unaware of the virtual caret. I would need to know what I am selecting so that I can activate the annotate button. This is similar to making comments on certain strings of text in Google Docs. This is unfortunately a lost cause unless the vendor actually makes their document frame a focusable environment. Jonathan -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 11:24 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] More help: Selecting text with the caret without losing selection I'm not at all sure you can do what you want, at least not without a lot of time consuming, frustrating work. First, the command you are using to select text, NVDA shift up arrow doesn't select text. It may read the current line but it doesn't move you through anything. Except for control ak, which selects all text, you must always move through what you are selecting. As for doing what you want to do, if you turn on caret browsing while in browse mode, you can turn it on later but its probably most convenient then, and then move in browse mode to what you want to select, then turn browse mode off and move with the left and right arrows, you evidently can select what you want. If you want to start selecting at the beginning of the line, moving with home may put you there and you can then use shift right arrow to move and select. But you will hear nothing. Screen-readers are completely unaware of the virtual caret the browser places on the screen. The only way I know to determine what you have selected is to move without any feedback to where you think you want to be from where you are on a line, then use control c to copy what you have selected to the clipboard, then use the NVDA read clipboard command, NVDA key c. Aside from then finding the button, this method of selecting with no feedback may be so difficult that you will find it not worth it. You can change what you have selected. If, for example, you select a word too far, you can use shift left arrow and move by letter until you have unselected the word. The rest of what you selected will still be. So you can copy to the clipboard, hold shift and either move farther right or farther left. If you move in the opposite direction of what you have selected, what you move through will be unselected and the rest will still be selected. Gene -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Milam Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 9:35 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] More help: Selecting text with the caret without losing selection Hi All, To revisit this issue, what I am needing to do is to use the System Caret and be able to select text using the caret itself. With this application, whenever I select text with caret browsing on in Firefox, I am supposed to be able to find and select a button called "annotate" that appears when text is selected. However, when I select text, and use the caret desktop shortcut key NVDA+Shift+UpArrow, NVDA tells me that the text is selected, however, if I move away from the selection to search for the button that should appear, the selection is lost in browse mode. I am not getting any feedback when in Focus mode. How can I select text with the caret and then search for the annotate button without losing my selection while in browse mode? Is that possible? Originally, I thought object navigation would work here, but Object navigation isn't actually using the caret when selecting text. Thanks, Jonathan -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 10:18 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting text I don't know if this works in all browsers that support browse mode. it does work in some. I am using movement commands for the desktop keyboard layout. Be in object review. Use numpad 4 and 6 by themselves. 4 will move back and 6 will move forward. You are moving by word. To move by line, use 7 and 9. To move by letter, use 1 and 3. When you get to the beginning of what you want to select, issue the command NVDA f9. Move to the end of what you want to select and issue the command NVDA f10 quickly. You should hear something indicating that text was selected. To copy text to the clipboard, issue the command twice quickly, not once. Gene -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Milam Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2020 8:48 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Selecting text Hi All, I am testing a web application called “Hypothesis” and need to be able to select text while in browse mode, separate from the caret. Is there a way of selecting text with NVDA in one of its object modes so that I can have the main browser cursor elsewhere? Thanks, Jonathan
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Re: Thunderbird quick key folder nav extension
Dan Beaver
I have seen something like this but when I hit the letter I and it seems nothing happens if I wait several seconds it does finally go to the next folder starting with an I.
How long did you wait?
Dan Beaver On 8/11/2020 2:43 PM, Don H wrote:
Running Win 10 version 2004, NVDA 2020.2 and Thunderbird 68.11.0 32 bit. -- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)
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Re: More help: Selecting text with the caret without losing selection
Gene
I see that in general, that's what the command does. I've almost never used it and I didn't recall it. But in doing what you are doing, it doesn't work properly. If I am in forms mode and use carret browsing to select text on a web page the NVDA shift up arrow command doesn't read the text. It has something to do with how text is presented to the screen-reader. If I select text with browse mode off, then copy it to the clipboard and use the read clipboard command, the text is read. Going into browse mode again after selecting text with caret browsing doesn't cause the command to work to tell you what you selected. You selected text directly on the web page. When you go back into browse mode, no text is selected in the browse mode buffer, which is where you select text in browse mode.
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In other words, browse mode doesn't know anything about text you have selected on the page. it only knows about text you select while in browse mode from the browse mode buffer. Gene
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From: Jonathan Milam Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 1:41 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] More help: Selecting text with the caret without losing selection Thanks, Gene. Sorry if I wasn't clear. I was actually using NVDA+Shift+UpArrow to read text that was selected at the caret. The problem with this web application is that it has a frame that NVDA is supposed to see to allow navigation in Focus mode. I think the company is saying that the Caret browsing method allows this navigation, but in fact it doesn't. It goes back to what you are saying in that Screen-readers are completely unaware of the virtual caret. I would need to know what I am selecting so that I can activate the annotate button. This is similar to making comments on certain strings of text in Google Docs. This is unfortunately a lost cause unless the vendor actually makes their document frame a focusable environment. Jonathan -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 11:24 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] More help: Selecting text with the caret without losing selection I'm not at all sure you can do what you want, at least not without a lot of time consuming, frustrating work. First, the command you are using to select text, NVDA shift up arrow doesn't select text. It may read the current line but it doesn't move you through anything. Except for control ak, which selects all text, you must always move through what you are selecting. As for doing what you want to do, if you turn on caret browsing while in browse mode, you can turn it on later but its probably most convenient then, and then move in browse mode to what you want to select, then turn browse mode off and move with the left and right arrows, you evidently can select what you want. If you want to start selecting at the beginning of the line, moving with home may put you there and you can then use shift right arrow to move and select. But you will hear nothing. Screen-readers are completely unaware of the virtual caret the browser places on the screen. The only way I know to determine what you have selected is to move without any feedback to where you think you want to be from where you are on a line, then use control c to copy what you have selected to the clipboard, then use the NVDA read clipboard command, NVDA key c. Aside from then finding the button, this method of selecting with no feedback may be so difficult that you will find it not worth it. You can change what you have selected. If, for example, you select a word too far, you can use shift left arrow and move by letter until you have unselected the word. The rest of what you selected will still be. So you can copy to the clipboard, hold shift and either move farther right or farther left. If you move in the opposite direction of what you have selected, what you move through will be unselected and the rest will still be selected. Gene -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Milam Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 9:35 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] More help: Selecting text with the caret without losing selection Hi All, To revisit this issue, what I am needing to do is to use the System Caret and be able to select text using the caret itself. With this application, whenever I select text with caret browsing on in Firefox, I am supposed to be able to find and select a button called "annotate" that appears when text is selected. However, when I select text, and use the caret desktop shortcut key NVDA+Shift+UpArrow, NVDA tells me that the text is selected, however, if I move away from the selection to search for the button that should appear, the selection is lost in browse mode. I am not getting any feedback when in Focus mode. How can I select text with the caret and then search for the annotate button without losing my selection while in browse mode? Is that possible? Originally, I thought object navigation would work here, but Object navigation isn't actually using the caret when selecting text. Thanks, Jonathan -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 10:18 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting text I don't know if this works in all browsers that support browse mode. it does work in some. I am using movement commands for the desktop keyboard layout. Be in object review. Use numpad 4 and 6 by themselves. 4 will move back and 6 will move forward. You are moving by word. To move by line, use 7 and 9. To move by letter, use 1 and 3. When you get to the beginning of what you want to select, issue the command NVDA f9. Move to the end of what you want to select and issue the command NVDA f10 quickly. You should hear something indicating that text was selected. To copy text to the clipboard, issue the command twice quickly, not once. Gene -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Milam Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2020 8:48 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Selecting text Hi All, I am testing a web application called “Hypothesis” and need to be able to select text while in browse mode, separate from the caret. Is there a way of selecting text with NVDA in one of its object modes so that I can have the main browser cursor elsewhere? Thanks, Jonathan
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Re: Thunderbird quick key folder nav extension
brice Mijares
Today was the first time I had a problem with this extension. I think I'm running TB 68.1. Got it working. Went to tools, to ad ons, to extensions, made sure single letter navigation was enabled, got out of there and it started working again.
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Running Win 10 version 2004, NVDA 2020.2 and Thunderbird 68.11.0 32 bit.
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Thunderbird quick key folder nav extension
Don H
Running Win 10 version 2004, NVDA 2020.2 and Thunderbird 68.11.0 32 bit.
The Quick key folder navigation extension is not working consistently. For example sometimes when i hit the letter i key it will take me to the in box folders and other times it does nothing. Tried uninstalling and reinstalling the extension and it did not fix the issue. Anyone else seeing this problem? I know that the quick key folder navigation extension does not work with Thunderbird version 78 but thought it still worked with veersion 68.
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Re: More help: Selecting text with the caret without losing selection
Jonathan Milam
Thanks, Gene. Sorry if I wasn't clear. I was actually using
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NVDA+Shift+UpArrow to read text that was selected at the caret. The problem with this web application is that it has a frame that NVDA is supposed to see to allow navigation in Focus mode. I think the company is saying that the Caret browsing method allows this navigation, but in fact it doesn't. It goes back to what you are saying in that Screen-readers are completely unaware of the virtual caret. I would need to know what I am selecting so that I can activate the annotate button. This is similar to making comments on certain strings of text in Google Docs. This is unfortunately a lost cause unless the vendor actually makes their document frame a focusable environment. Jonathan
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 11:24 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] More help: Selecting text with the caret without losing selection I'm not at all sure you can do what you want, at least not without a lot of time consuming, frustrating work. First, the command you are using to select text, NVDA shift up arrow doesn't select text. It may read the current line but it doesn't move you through anything. Except for control ak, which selects all text, you must always move through what you are selecting. As for doing what you want to do, if you turn on caret browsing while in browse mode, you can turn it on later but its probably most convenient then, and then move in browse mode to what you want to select, then turn browse mode off and move with the left and right arrows, you evidently can select what you want. If you want to start selecting at the beginning of the line, moving with home may put you there and you can then use shift right arrow to move and select. But you will hear nothing. Screen-readers are completely unaware of the virtual caret the browser places on the screen. The only way I know to determine what you have selected is to move without any feedback to where you think you want to be from where you are on a line, then use control c to copy what you have selected to the clipboard, then use the NVDA read clipboard command, NVDA key c. Aside from then finding the button, this method of selecting with no feedback may be so difficult that you will find it not worth it. You can change what you have selected. If, for example, you select a word too far, you can use shift left arrow and move by letter until you have unselected the word. The rest of what you selected will still be. So you can copy to the clipboard, hold shift and either move farther right or farther left. If you move in the opposite direction of what you have selected, what you move through will be unselected and the rest will still be selected. Gene -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Milam Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 9:35 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] More help: Selecting text with the caret without losing selection Hi All, To revisit this issue, what I am needing to do is to use the System Caret and be able to select text using the caret itself. With this application, whenever I select text with caret browsing on in Firefox, I am supposed to be able to find and select a button called "annotate" that appears when text is selected. However, when I select text, and use the caret desktop shortcut key NVDA+Shift+UpArrow, NVDA tells me that the text is selected, however, if I move away from the selection to search for the button that should appear, the selection is lost in browse mode. I am not getting any feedback when in Focus mode. How can I select text with the caret and then search for the annotate button without losing my selection while in browse mode? Is that possible? Originally, I thought object navigation would work here, but Object navigation isn't actually using the caret when selecting text. Thanks, Jonathan -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 10:18 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting text I don't know if this works in all browsers that support browse mode. it does work in some. I am using movement commands for the desktop keyboard layout. Be in object review. Use numpad 4 and 6 by themselves. 4 will move back and 6 will move forward. You are moving by word. To move by line, use 7 and 9. To move by letter, use 1 and 3. When you get to the beginning of what you want to select, issue the command NVDA f9. Move to the end of what you want to select and issue the command NVDA f10 quickly. You should hear something indicating that text was selected. To copy text to the clipboard, issue the command twice quickly, not once. Gene -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Milam Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2020 8:48 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Selecting text Hi All, I am testing a web application called “Hypothesis” and need to be able to select text while in browse mode, separate from the caret. Is there a way of selecting text with NVDA in one of its object modes so that I can have the main browser cursor elsewhere? Thanks, Jonathan
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