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Re: Other tool for solving the Verification Image

Giles Turnbull
 

The only Captcha tool I ever used was included with an early Twitter client for the blind, called Qwitter. Sadly that vanished and there was no equivalent when Qwitter evolved into The Qube. But what I do use now is the iPhone and Android app Be My Eyes. It calls a human volunteer who uses the rear camera on the phone to tell you whatever you want ... such as the colour of a tshirt or what a Captcha image says. I've used Be My Eyes twice today to assist when Windows was doing an update and I didn't hear anything further (I realise that I'd somehow turned the NVDA setting to start automatically when logged in to Windows off). Obviously common sense applies - not having any files open with login details to any accounts visible, but you'd get an answer to your random letters test within the minute! ... And BME is free to install and use :) 


Problem with old versions of Portable firefox

David Griffith
 

Following suggestions on this list to use portable versions of Firefox, potentially with Webvisum, I downloaded and installed first of all the portable versions of Firefox 52 and then Firefox 51.

It was surprising that even for Portable versions there was an installation process though the result  was a  folder labelled Firefox Portable with a portable executable in it.

I was more surprised after both installs that a message came up saying that accessibility features had been disable , despite these being older versions  of Firefox.

Sure enough  after running the programs I found these installs unusable both with NVDA and Jaws 2018.

I downloaded these portable versions of Firefox from the Mozilla site but it appears that they are not genuine older versions as they all appear to have the accessibility problem.

Is there an alternative source of portable versions  that are accessible?

David Griffith

 

How have people got  around this?

 

 

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 


Re: Focused mode

Chris
 

If you don’t want focus mode then turn off automatic focus mode under browse mode settings in NVDA

That will fix it 😃

 

 


Re: Focused mode

Jonathan COHN
 

I tested this out briefly on my Windows 7 machine with NVDA 2018.1

 

  1. Open Firefox 59  to www.google.com
  2. 2turned off focus mode.
  3. Opened up Outlook 365.
  4. Enabled sleep mode with nvda-shift-s
  5. Quit outlook  with alt-f4

At this point my firefox returned to focus and browse mode was still enabled.

 

So, sorry I can’t reproduce with the guidance provided.

 

Best Wishes,

 

Jonathan

 

 

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Gene <gsasner@...>
Reply-To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 4:34 PM
To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Focused mode

 


Re: Focused mode

Caleb Neyenhuis
 

Nvda 18.1


Re: Focused mode

Caleb Neyenhuis
 

Yes it happens on audeo games which is what i play


Re: Focused mode

Gene
 

But most programs don't use browse mode and forms mode.  Are you saying that if you are in Wordpad, for example, this happens?  If you are in a browser or an e-mail program, reading mail as HTML, or in Adobe Reader, I can see that this might happen.  But are you saying it happens in other programs that don't use browse and forms mode?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Focused mode

Its pritty much every program i leave if i leave sleep mode on while leaving the program



Re: Focused mode

Gene
 

Also, what program are you entering and leaving sleep mode in and what version of NVDA are you using?  On further thought, you may be saying you are stuck in forms mode.  That may be the problem that was discussed here perhaps two or three months ago where, if you shut down NVDA while a browser is opened, then run it again, you will be stuck in forms mode unless you close and open the browser again.  My recollection is that this problem was corrected in a recent update of NVDA.

From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Focused mode

Exit sleep mode in what program?  Are you describing what happens when you use sleep in a browser and turn it off when in the browser?  I don't know why that is but just pressing escape should return you to browse mode.  I didn't understand exactly what you were asking in your first question but if escape works, it's probably the easiest way to deal with the problem.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Focused mode

I am enabling sleep mode on application and when I exit the application focus mode turns on without me touching



Re: Focused mode

Caleb Neyenhuis
 

Its pritty much every program i leave if i leave sleep mode on while leaving the program


Re: Focused mode

Gene
 

Exit sleep mode in what program?  Are you describing what happens when you use sleep in a browser and turn it off when in the browser?  I don't know why that is but just pressing escape should return you to browse mode.  I didn't understand exactly what you were asking in your first question but if escape works, it's probably the easiest way to deal with the problem.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Focused mode

I am enabling sleep mode on application and when I exit the application focus mode turns on without me touching



Re: firefox 59 64 bit

Bobby Vinton <vinton.bobby5277@...>
 

Fire fox is a lot faster than 57 was.  Just give it a try and I bet you like a lot.


On 3/14/2018 4:15 PM, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:

Actually its a lot faster than the old esr you like so much

 

 

From: Felix G.
Sent: 14 March 2018 20:02
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox 59 64 bit

 

Hi!

If you can live with a slight speed penalty compared to the ESR, then yes, it's the way to go. It's just been officially released and shouldn't give you much trouble.

Greetings,

Felix

 

Chris via Groups.Io <chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io> schrieb am Mi., 14. März 2018 um 19:18 Uhr:

Best version of firefox so far 😃

 

 

 

From: Don H
Sent: 14 March 2018 18:12
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] firefox 59 64 bit

 

My firefox just updated itself to version 59 64 bit.  I am running NVDA

2018-1 on my Win10 64 bit laptop.  Is this best firefox to be using with

NVDA?  Are there any firefox settings that should be changed to work

best with NVDA 2018-1?

Thanks

 

 

 

 

 



Re: Focused mode

Caleb Neyenhuis
 

I am enabling sleep mode on application and when I exit the application focus mode turns on without me touching


Re: firefox 59 64 bit

Chris
 

Actually its a lot faster than the old esr you like so much

 

 

From: Felix G.
Sent: 14 March 2018 20:02
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox 59 64 bit

 

Hi!

If you can live with a slight speed penalty compared to the ESR, then yes, it's the way to go. It's just been officially released and shouldn't give you much trouble.

Greetings,

Felix

 

Chris via Groups.Io <chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io> schrieb am Mi., 14. März 2018 um 19:18 Uhr:

Best version of firefox so far 😃

 

 

 

From: Don H
Sent: 14 March 2018 18:12
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] firefox 59 64 bit

 

My firefox just updated itself to version 59 64 bit.  I am running NVDA

2018-1 on my Win10 64 bit laptop.  Is this best firefox to be using with

NVDA?  Are there any firefox settings that should be changed to work

best with NVDA 2018-1?

Thanks

 

 

 

 

 


Re: firefox 59 64 bit

Felix G.
 

Hi!
If you can live with a slight speed penalty compared to the ESR, then yes, it's the way to go. It's just been officially released and shouldn't give you much trouble.
Greetings,
Felix

Chris via Groups.Io <chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io> schrieb am Mi., 14. März 2018 um 19:18 Uhr:

Best version of firefox so far 😃

 

 

 

From: Don H
Sent: 14 March 2018 18:12
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] firefox 59 64 bit

 

My firefox just updated itself to version 59 64 bit.  I am running NVDA

2018-1 on my Win10 64 bit laptop.  Is this best firefox to be using with

NVDA?  Are there any firefox settings that should be changed to work

best with NVDA 2018-1?

Thanks

 

 

 

 


Re: firefox 59 64 bit

Chris
 

Best version of firefox so far 😃

 

 

 

From: Don H
Sent: 14 March 2018 18:12
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] firefox 59 64 bit

 

My firefox just updated itself to version 59 64 bit.  I am running NVDA

2018-1 on my Win10 64 bit laptop.  Is this best firefox to be using with

NVDA?  Are there any firefox settings that should be changed to work

best with NVDA 2018-1?

Thanks

 

 

 

 


firefox 59 64 bit

Don H
 

My firefox just updated itself to version 59 64 bit. I am running NVDA 2018-1 on my Win10 64 bit laptop. Is this best firefox to be using with NVDA? Are there any firefox settings that should be changed to work best with NVDA 2018-1?
Thanks


Re: Wordpress alert

 

Well brian I hope not.

This is a new engine that wordpress is working to replace their old classic version.

Sadly wordpress.com really could be better, m.wordpress.com is ofcause fine but to be honest I am unsure.

At least wordpress has an access team that unlike microsoft actually communicate properly with each team and they all talk.

I wouldn't say ms access doesn't care but there is an obvious coms gap between all the teams which is a bit of a shame, not bad but a shame so we get skype which well isn't as good as we would like etc.

In this case, gutenberg had a few issues initially but it was more of a long winded chore rather than anything else.

Now its completely crap though it has a few extra nice features.

However it does appear after my damning report I and the rest of the test team or at least its leaders gave to the dev teams that they are taking this seriously, I got an email stating yesterday quite quickly that they are handling this  and are trying to fix.

We are at 4.9. something, so 5 is going to have to be released at some point sooner or later with or without accessibility so we need to get it right if we can.

If we can't I am going to load classic editor on sites I admin, I will wait to see if the new engine is however accessible.

But if its not a stop gap measure is this classic editor, which is not updated for at least 3 months, so it may be that way for a while.

However ofcause eventually it could become incompatible given enough time.

I would prefur if we got it right but worse case scenario is we don't.

For those using wordpress on your site the classic editor should work I have not tried it yet.

For those on wordpress.com, login and then go to m.wordpress.com which has seemed to keep the same interface since wordpress has started at least for general blogs.

If you have a server using wordpress.com, it may be time to switch to a coppy of the engine from wordpress.org so you can load the classic editor on it.

My hope is that wordpress actually get it right, we have a reputation to uphold, I mean I am an avid user thats why I went on the test team.

On 15/03/2018 5:00 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Will this affect the end result, ie will sites made with this new tool also be worse for access?
seems to me as I'm encountering lots of sites written with this, problems occur mainly due to the programmers not understanding the way to actually produce screenreader friendly apps etc.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 8:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] Wordpress alert


Hi.

I usually don't post as a tester of the wordpress team, however, this is an important message about wordpress accessibility.

As you may or may not know wordpress is making a new engine called gutenberg.

The thing is that its still not accessible even after a lot of testing and attempts to make it accessible.

So its possible that wordpress may become inaccessible in v5 Messages from the devs to access team have been good so far, and final testing for access was underway, I found it really bad though and so did the access team leader.

Currently we have been assured that nothing will be done till it works, but each test has gotten worse and worse navigation well its no good.

Anyway, while we can't change wordpress.com for those with wordpress there is a plugin called classic editor which should be installed to stop gutenberg being run, I mean we will give them the benefit of the doubt, but reguardless I am installing the classic editor on the blogs I admin, at least we are seeing these on the test group, even though they are in a word awefull.

Please post this at other lists you may want to or that would be good for this.







Re: Firefox seems slower?

Gene
 

There are sites where you have to use JAVA scripts, as I said.  That's how you deal with the problem.  You will have to enable JAVA scripts before loading the page.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox seems slower?

gene,
i did not have this problem in quora previously.
did you work with it until now?
i cant sign in my account or answer any question when javascript is disabled.
also, it has not edit box for writing answer to be found by e key.
when javascript is enabled, when i press enter on answer link, the
form writing answer is activated automaticly..
what can i do to prevent this problem?

On 3/14/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> There are many pages where you have to use JAVA scripts to do things such as
> submit forms, play audio, and do other things.  But a lot of pages where you
> are just reading don't require JAVA scripts, and I have not seen any
> degredation of layout on pages if JAVA script support is disabled.  Indeed,
> it often improves the layout because a lot of advertisements aren't shown
> when JAVA scripts are disabled.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 11:29 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox seems slower?
>
>
> The problem is that if you disable scripts running on pages, though many
> work some end up as a bit of a muddled mess.
>
>
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal E-mail to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 12:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox seems slower?
>
>
>> its because javascript is activate by default.
>> i have this problem in any version of firefox and any version of nvda
>> that i tested until now!
>> i did not work with chrome, but activating javascript and refresh and
>> redirect of pages, also dynamic pages, make me very confused and sad.
>>
>> On 3/14/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
>> <bglists@...> wrote:
>>> Even 52 now loads slower than it did at least the first time its run.
>>>  I'm not sure what is the cause for this. Is it the patch to windows for
>>> that 10 year old bug, or something Firefox has added to all older and
>>> new
>>> versions??
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> bglists@...
>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>> Please address personal E-mail to:-
>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>> in the display name field.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Matt Turner" <meturner2214@...>
>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 12:12 PM
>>> Subject: [nvda] Firefox seems slower?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi folks.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone find that firefox is really slow?
>>>>
>>>> I'm using nvda 2018.1.
>>>>
>>>> As for firefox, I've tried all of the beta/ nightly channels, but
>>>> chrome,
>>>>
>>>> seems to run alot faster.
>>>>
>>>> Is it just the computer, or just me.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> By God,
>> were I given all the seven heavens
>> with all they contain
>> in order that
>> I may disobey God
>> by depriving an ant
>> from the husk of a grain of barley,
>> I would not do it.
>> imam ali
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali



Re: Firefox seems slower?

 

gene,
i did not have this problem in quora previously.
did you work with it until now?
i cant sign in my account or answer any question when javascript is disabled.
also, it has not edit box for writing answer to be found by e key.
when javascript is enabled, when i press enter on answer link, the
form writing answer is activated automaticly..
what can i do to prevent this problem?

On 3/14/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
There are many pages where you have to use JAVA scripts to do things such as
submit forms, play audio, and do other things. But a lot of pages where you
are just reading don't require JAVA scripts, and I have not seen any
degredation of layout on pages if JAVA script support is disabled. Indeed,
it often improves the layout because a lot of advertisements aren't shown
when JAVA scripts are disabled.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 11:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox seems slower?


The problem is that if you disable scripts running on pages, though many
work some end up as a bit of a muddled mess.


Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox seems slower?


its because javascript is activate by default.
i have this problem in any version of firefox and any version of nvda
that i tested until now!
i did not work with chrome, but activating javascript and refresh and
redirect of pages, also dynamic pages, make me very confused and sad.

On 3/14/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Even 52 now loads slower than it did at least the first time its run.
I'm not sure what is the cause for this. Is it the patch to windows for
that 10 year old bug, or something Firefox has added to all older and
new
versions??

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Turner" <meturner2214@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 12:12 PM
Subject: [nvda] Firefox seems slower?


Hi folks.

Does anyone find that firefox is really slow?

I'm using nvda 2018.1.

As for firefox, I've tried all of the beta/ nightly channels, but
chrome,

seems to run alot faster.

Is it just the computer, or just me.







--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: Firefox seems slower?

Gene
 

There are many pages where you have to use JAVA scripts to do things such as submit forms, play audio, and do other things.  But a lot of pages where you are just reading don't require JAVA scripts, and I have not seen any degredation of layout on pages if JAVA script support is disabled.  Indeed, it often improves the layout because a lot of advertisements aren't shown when JAVA scripts are disabled. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox seems slower?

The problem is that if you disable scripts running on pages, though many
work some end up as a bit of a muddled mess.


Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox seems slower?


> its because javascript is activate by default.
> i have this problem in any version of firefox and any version of nvda
> that i tested until now!
> i did not work with chrome, but activating javascript and refresh and
> redirect of pages, also dynamic pages, make me very confused and sad.
>
> On 3/14/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
> <bglists@...> wrote:
>> Even 52 now loads slower than it did at least the first time its run.
>>  I'm not sure what is the cause for this. Is it the patch to windows for
>> that 10 year old bug, or something Firefox has added to all older and new
>> versions??
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal E-mail to:-
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>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Matt Turner" <meturner2214@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 12:12 PM
>> Subject: [nvda] Firefox seems slower?
>>
>>
>>> Hi folks.
>>>
>>> Does anyone find that firefox is really slow?
>>>
>>> I'm using nvda 2018.1.
>>>
>>> As for firefox, I've tried all of the beta/ nightly channels, but
>>> chrome,
>>>
>>> seems to run alot faster.
>>>
>>> Is it just the computer, or just me.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> By God,
> were I given all the seven heavens
> with all they contain
> in order that
> I may disobey God
> by depriving an ant
> from the husk of a grain of barley,
> I would not do it.
> imam ali
>
>
>