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Re: Admin's Note: Moderator Feedback, Leaving List #adminnotice

Jackie
 
Edited

Yes, of course. I was only referring to moderators/owners being called out publicly while performing list administration duties.


Re: Admin's Note: Moderator Feedback, Leaving List #adminnotice

 

On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 10:40 PM, Jackie wrote:
I just think it's a matter of courtesy & respect not to call a list moderator &/or owner out in public
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Absolutely, but I will note that this only applies when a moderator or owner is acting in that role and enforcing rules or setting expectations.

When we post new topics, or responses in ongoing topics, we as individuals deserve the same treatment as any other member.  No additional deference is asked for nor expected.

Any good moderator or group owner is able to understand the difference between being challenged for doing what they're supposed to be doing and being challenged about ideas, techniques, etc.  Our "special status" is strictly limited to when we are actively exercising our administrative roles.
 
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Re: Admin's Note: Moderator Feedback, Leaving List #adminnotice

Michael Munn
 
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On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 10:40 PM Jackie <abletec@...> wrote:
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Re: Admin's Note: Moderator Feedback, Leaving List #adminnotice

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I just think it's a matter of courtesy & respect not to call a list moderator &/or owner out in public

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Re: Accessible Video Editor

William
 

Andrew

good luck.

If you just use ffmpeg, you do not have to learn python.

Because you just have to learn those ffmpeg command line arguement


Whereas if you want to start with moviepy, then you should start learning about python.

program-l is one of the mailing list that you can join to seek help in nacse you come across issue with python, though they may not be familiar with moviepy.





AKH AKH 於 11/2/2021 0:45 寫道:

Hi Brian


I appreciate your perspective. I'll get on with studying Python. Cheers.


Andrew


On 10/02/2021 16:33, Brian Vogel wrote:
Andrew,

I know nothing about moviepy or ffmpeg, specifically.  The observations I've made are general truisms.

Very often I've seen people set up plain text files with "skeleton commands" where they copy and paste those over and over and over again, tweaking the bits that need to be tweaked. If you do a lot of scripting, and repetitive scripting, no matter how you automate or semi-automate the process you're definitely not going to want to be typing everything out by hand every time.  You'll likely have to edit the template material after pasting it in, but once you're familiar with the various commands, their arguments, etc., that's quite easy.  It's the learning curve for any new piece of software, whether accessed via the command line or GUI, that's the hard part.
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Re: Accessible Video Editor

William
 

Hi,

This is a complex question that I could not answer in an easy way.

But I can put it this way,

if you can come up with a little script that trim your video into small parts, and combine themtogether in a final video,

you can reuse the same script in a later time, by simply changing the input video file name, and the value indicating the start and end of each trimed video.AKH 於 10/2/2021 21:04 寫道:

Hi William


Thanks. So does that mean I have to write code each time I want to mark the start and end of a video clip I want to cut and paste?


Andrew


On 10/02/2021 10:44, William wrote:
Hi,

I think you have two options.

1. download the ffmpeg and run the codes in cmd window.

you can learn all those codes from ffmpeg official site.


2. download python, learn python basic and download moviepy

moviepy do provide a not very comprehensive document on the web.




AKH AKH 於 10/2/2021 17:54 寫道:
Hi Luke and Brian


Sounds very useful. How do I loearn the code for basic trimming of video, please?

Keen to learn.

Andrew


On 10/02/2021 00:38, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 07:33 PM, William wrote:

Doing stuff like this through code,we donot have to deal with all those
inaccessible or problematic gui issues.
-
One of the great tragedies of the rise of the GUIs was the virtual disappearance of understanding and use of command line interfaces (or certain interpreted code interfaces) by a large number of computer users.

There are really times when a CLI is vastly superior to a GUI for doing certain things.  And they're generally as close to 100% accessible as you can get.

I commend you for mentioning one of these options, as what you say is true whether one has sight or does not.
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Re: Detecting misalignment in Microsoft Word tables

 

More detail on step one is needed.  Using the Insert Table command (ALT+N,T,I), what is in the combo box next to the radio button you've chosen for fixed width?

My guess is that you want a tidy table where the column width for a given column is that of the widest item in that column (provided you're not dealing with text that is very long), and the easiest way to get that is to choose Autofit to contents rather than fixed width.

After doing the above, you may still want or need to apply a table design to it so that you have things like header rows, banded color or shading for rows, etc., and that's done using the table design ribbon, ALT+JT.  Once you down arrow you are in the ribbon, and I can't get into all of the details of a given control group here because:

a) that's MS-Word, not NVDA.

b) you have to have explored around a bit to gain a bit of familiarity before it would mean anything.

If you have in-depth questions about formatting tables in MS-Word, regardless of the screen reader you're using, I'd ask that on the Microsoft Office Accessibility Discussion Group, which is dedicated to all things MS-Office and accessibility:

There are lots of folks who know MS-Word, and the other office suite programs, very well who are active there and can answer these kinds of questions and participate in the correct kind of "back and forth" to ask you the right questions so they can figure out what is, and is not, working in the technique(s) you're currently employing.

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Detecting misalignment in Microsoft Word tables

Pranav Lal
 

Hi all,

Whenever I write text in a table, in Microsoft Word (any version including
word in office 365) I find that the table cell widths are misaligned that
is, some cells are too small, some are too big.
In addition, the text within these cells is not aligned correctly, Sighted
users seem to use the mouse to fix this.
Is there any way in NVDA to first detect a badly formatted table?
To reproduce this problem, do the following.

1. Create a table in Microsoft Word using the insert table menu.
I have selected to use fixed cell widths.
2. Type the contents of your table.
3. Be sure to insert a row into the table.
4. Type some more text.

Check with a sighted user, the table's formatting does not look right.

I realize I should be more specific but cannot be because my sighted
colleagues are unable to give me better descriptions.

Pranav


Re: I could use the following NVDA help please

Tony Ballou
 

Hi Ron,

 

Since I’m not sure of how familiar you are with NVDA I’ll give you all the steps in as orderly a fashion as I can. 

 

Both of the changes that you want to make are in the settings menu of NVDA.

 

To get there, press insert-N, the NVDA menu comes up and from there arrow down once for preferences sub-menu. Then press the right arrow and NVDA will say Settings. 

Press enter then from the list of categories arrow down once to the speech option and press tab which will take you into the speech properties dialog box.  The first control in there is an edit box which tells you what synthesizer you’re currently using.  If you tab once, NVDA will say change button.  Hit space on that and when the dialog box opens choose the synthesizer you want from the combo box then tab to ok. The change will take effect and from this point, you can then customize the voice settings. As you tab through the fields, you’ll see options to adjust the voice that you want, it’s speech rate, pitch, and volume, etc.  Once you have those controls set the way that you want, you can tab through the fields to the say capitals checkbox and check that. Once that’s checked, tab to apply then from there shift tab to ok and that’s it. 

 

Hope this helps.

Tony   

 

From: Ron Kolesar
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 2:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] I could use the following NVDA help please

 

.               Hello, from Ron Kolesar.

I had to have my pc formatted.

How can I do the following two things within NVDA?

  1. How can I have NVDA say cap when I do a uppercased letter?
  2. How can I change the voice to a female voice?

Many thanks.

Ron KR3DOG

 


Admin's Note: Moderator Feedback, Leaving List #adminnotice

Nimer Jaber
 

Hello everyone,

Imagine my shock when I look through list emails today, to see a number of individuals posting messages regarding the moderator. Imagine my shock when one thread was closed, and another was reopened to do the exact same thing. Let me make a few things clear.
  • This list is not a democracy. Even democracies have rules, so even if it was, I would be saying the same thing. A few years ago, we tried the democratic thing, but we got no engagement from people on the list. When I asked people for recommendations of moderators, I received very few, and when asking people to vote, nobody did. Therefore, I am list owner, Brian is moderator, and we both are volunteers and try our best to make sure that this list is run in a consistent way in accordance with the NVAccess code of conduct, with Groups.io rules, and with general list netiquette.
  • I love receiving feedback from list members. Some of you have sent feedback, and it is truly appreciated, no matter whether if it is good or bad, no matter whether I agree with it or not. I will respond to your feedback, we can engage in a dialog, and even if we disagree, I hope you will walk away with the reasoning as to why, and we can understand one another. I will hear you out though, and Brian does the same.
  • It is a list rule that feedback is to be sent to the owner, nvda+owner@nvda.groups.io and not to the list. Why? Because the purpose of this list is to discuss NVDA, to help out new users and existing ones alike, to provide a space for anyone wishing to discuss NVDA, as do over 1,300 members. If lots of people start sending off-topic messages, this list would not be serving its intended purpose.
  • If you wish to leave, leave. I don't care. You won't hurt my feelings. If you wish to talk out your grievances before leaving, reach out to the owner address. If you wish to leave and wish to complain, I don't care, and your comments aren't welcome on list. I will put the entire list under lock-down if necessary, but I hope I don't have to.
  • If you don't like me or Brian, again, I don't care. I am not on this list to be liked. If you don't agree with something, please let us know so we can discuss it. If we mess up, as we are bound to do as humans, please let us know, and we will rectify any mistake, with public apologies as needed, as we have done in the past.
  • If you are going to be a child, violate the rules, complain publicly, your posting privileges will be moderated. 

Let me be clear. Brian has my support. If you wish to leave and disagree with what I've said here, or with the list rules, please do so.

Now, let's get back to NVDA discussion, shall we?

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Re: NVDA and Outlook messages

David Goldfield
 

Hi, Steve.
In no way do I wish to invalidate your experiences with NVDA and Outlook. In some respects NVDA's access to Outlook messages could be improved. However, I just received an email newsletter from AIRA with headings separating each announcement. NVDA identified the headings as I would expect. How did you add headings to your test email? For reference I'm using Outlook 365 with RC 1 of NVDA 2020.4.
David Goldfield,
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On 2/10/2021 6:25 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi all,

 

I am testing an Email marketing platform called EmailOctopus for use in my business.

 

One thing I noticed about NVDA, having been a JAWS user for years, but now moving over more to NVDA, is that it doesn’t render HTML Emails correctly.

 

For example, you never see headings in Emails.  If I send myself a test message and read it in JAWS, I can jump with H to all the headings and know that the formatting is correct.  With NVDA, I just get No Next Heading.  In fact, all the formatting is completely shot.

 

Is there any way we could get NVDA to render Outlook HTML messages as they should be rendered, with headings intact?

 

Thanks for any help.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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NVDA and Kryterion

Janet Brandly
 

Hello all,

 

I have just received permission to try NVDA with Kryterion which is a global testing platform used by many educational institutions for their [program tests/exams. Until now, blind students needing to take exams through Kryterion either had to use an in-person reader or use a laptop especially provided for them with JAWS installed on it. Also, blind students have had to take tests at a specified testing center. Sighted students, on the other hand, are able to test at home and are proctered buy using a webcam. I understand that, this past summer, the NFB brought issues of unequal access to Kryterion forward ant the results were not satisfactory. If Kryterion can be used with NVDA, this will remove barriers to blind people who cannot afford, or don’t want to use JAWS. Has anyone else had similar experiences with Kryterion or other global testing platforms?

 

Janet


Re: I could use the following NVDA help please

Ron Kolesar
 

To Gene and to all who tried to help me out.
I have now been able to make the changes that I wanted within NVDA.
Many thanks to all.
Ron

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 14:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I could use the following NVDA help please

It is specific to the voice you are using. If you change voices, you asked
about a female voice, you will have to do this again.
Open the voice settings dialog with control NVDA key v.
Tab a lot of times. You will find a check box that says something like say
cap for capital letters. Check it with the space bar, then press enter.
The dialog will close and the setting will be on.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Kolesar
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 1:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] I could use the following NVDA help please



. Hello, from Ron Kolesar.

I had to have my pc formatted.

How can I do the following two things within NVDA?

How can I have NVDA say cap when I do a uppercased letter?
How can I change the voice to a female voice?

Many thanks.

Ron KR3DOG


Re: annoying behavior with speak word

Gene
 

There is no setting in keyboard to do what is requested. the desired behavior is to read an entire word if you type a wordd, space, badckspace to make a correction, make it, then space again.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Afik Souffir
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 2:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] annoying behavior with speak word



Yes, go to Preferences, and then settings, in that search for Keyboard.





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 10:50:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] annoying behavior with speak word


Hi all,
Is there any way to change the way NVDA speaks when you tell it to
speak words after they are typed? In my last message to the list, I
accidentally typed Outll a couple of times when I meant to type
Outlook. When backspacing to correct my error then finished typing the
word, instead of saying Outlook, it says "ook." Is there any way to
change this?
Bob


Re: annoying behavior with speak word

Gene
 

I really doubt it. It speaks what you have typed since the last time. It isn't programmed to speak the full unit, nor is it aware of it. It only speaks what you typed since you started typing and spaced.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 2:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] annoying behavior with speak word

Hi all,
Is there any way to change the way NVDA speaks when you tell it to
speak words after they are typed? In my last message to the list, I
accidentally typed Outll a couple of times when I meant to type
Outlook. When backspacing to correct my error then finished typing the
word, instead of saying Outlook, it says "ook." Is there any way to
change this?
Bob


Re: annoying behavior with speak word

Afik Souffir <afik.souffir@...>
 


Yes, go to Preferences, and then settings, in that search for Keyboard.




From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 10:50:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] annoying behavior with speak word
 
Hi all,
Is there any way to change the way NVDA speaks when you tell it to
speak words after they are typed? In my last message to the list, I
accidentally typed Outll a couple of times when I meant to type
Outlook. When backspacing to correct my error then finished typing the
word, instead of saying Outlook, it says "ook." Is there any way to
change this?
Bob






annoying behavior with speak word

Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
 

Hi all,
Is there any way to change the way NVDA speaks when you tell it to
speak words after they are typed? In my last message to the list, I
accidentally typed Outll a couple of times when I meant to type
Outlook. When backspacing to correct my error then finished typing the
word, instead of saying Outlook, it says "ook." Is there any way to
change this?
Bob


Re: NVDA and Outlook messages

Afik Souffir <afik.souffir@...>
 


Hi,

No, you don’t need UI automation to navigate by headings, links, etc.
Make sure that browse mode is active, when you are in email message, press caps lock and space.
Hopes this helps

Afik


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 10:40:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Outlook messages
 
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this is what the UI
Automation checkbox under advanced in settings is for. I can't
remember what it was I was reading recently when I decided to try to
navigate by heading just for the heck of it and it actually worked.
Outlook seems to be a program where using UI Automation is a must, as
this has solved most of my problems with it. I do, however, think NVDA
does need a bit of improvement in the following areas when working
with Outlook:
1. When changing navigation methods, NVDA is quite slow to respond in
emails containing lots of graphics. For instance, I've talked a lot
about emails I get from Groupon on this list. When navigating those in
Outlook, I usually use NVDA+down arrow to read initially, then stop
it, and use tab to navigate. In some of those emails though, tab just
presents unlabeled links though, so I have to use NVDA+down to read
again. When doing this, there's a half second or so delay between the
time I give the read command and the time it actually starts reading.
2. When deleting an email from your deleted items folder, NVDA
sometimes reads the subject line of the just deleted message instead
of the subject line of the message you're currently viewing. When
deleting a message from the Inbox or a saved folder, NVDA says nothing
until you give it another command.
3. As discussed a month or so ago on this list, with certain versions
of Outlook, you have to use your down arrow key to read a suggestion
when typing an address in the to field of an email.
Hope this helps, and hope someone can correct me if I have the name of
that checkbox wrong, but I think it's use UI Automation.

On 2/10/21, Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I am testing an Email marketing platform called EmailOctopus for use in my
> business.
>
>
>
> One thing I noticed about NVDA, having been a JAWS user for years, but now
> moving over more to NVDA, is that it doesn't render HTML Emails correctly.
>
>
>
> For example, you never see headings in Emails.  If I send myself a test
> message and read it in JAWS, I can jump with H to all the headings and know
> that the formatting is correct.  With NVDA, I just get No Next Heading.  In
> fact, all the formatting is completely shot.
>
>
>
> Is there any way we could get NVDA to render Outlook HTML messages as they
> should be rendered, with headings intact?
>
>
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
>
>
> All the best
>
>
> Steve
>
>
>
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Re: NVDA and Outlook messages

Gene
 

What are you trying to find with tab? If the purpose is to skip from link to link, use the letter k. That is the move by link command and often solves problems in cases where moving by tab through links doesn't work well.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 2:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Outlook messages

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this is what the UI
Automation checkbox under advanced in settings is for. I can't
remember what it was I was reading recently when I decided to try to
navigate by heading just for the heck of it and it actually worked.
Outlook seems to be a program where using UI Automation is a must, as
this has solved most of my problems with it. I do, however, think NVDA
does need a bit of improvement in the following areas when working
with Outlook:
1. When changing navigation methods, NVDA is quite slow to respond in
emails containing lots of graphics. For instance, I've talked a lot
about emails I get from Groupon on this list. When navigating those in
Outlook, I usually use NVDA+down arrow to read initially, then stop
it, and use tab to navigate. In some of those emails though, tab just
presents unlabeled links though, so I have to use NVDA+down to read
again. When doing this, there's a half second or so delay between the
time I give the read command and the time it actually starts reading.
2. When deleting an email from your deleted items folder, NVDA
sometimes reads the subject line of the just deleted message instead
of the subject line of the message you're currently viewing. When
deleting a message from the Inbox or a saved folder, NVDA says nothing
until you give it another command.
3. As discussed a month or so ago on this list, with certain versions
of Outlook, you have to use your down arrow key to read a suggestion
when typing an address in the to field of an email.
Hope this helps, and hope someone can correct me if I have the name of
that checkbox wrong, but I think it's use UI Automation.

On 2/10/21, Steve Nutt <steve@comproom.co.uk> wrote:
Hi all,



I am testing an Email marketing platform called EmailOctopus for use in my
business.



One thing I noticed about NVDA, having been a JAWS user for years, but now
moving over more to NVDA, is that it doesn't render HTML Emails correctly.



For example, you never see headings in Emails. If I send myself a test
message and read it in JAWS, I can jump with H to all the headings and know
that the formatting is correct. With NVDA, I just get No Next Heading. In
fact, all the formatting is completely shot.



Is there any way we could get NVDA to render Outlook HTML messages as they
should be rendered, with headings intact?



Thanks for any help.



All the best


Steve



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Re: NVDA and Outlook messages

Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
 

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this is what the UI
Automation checkbox under advanced in settings is for. I can't
remember what it was I was reading recently when I decided to try to
navigate by heading just for the heck of it and it actually worked.
Outlook seems to be a program where using UI Automation is a must, as
this has solved most of my problems with it. I do, however, think NVDA
does need a bit of improvement in the following areas when working
with Outlook:
1. When changing navigation methods, NVDA is quite slow to respond in
emails containing lots of graphics. For instance, I've talked a lot
about emails I get from Groupon on this list. When navigating those in
Outlook, I usually use NVDA+down arrow to read initially, then stop
it, and use tab to navigate. In some of those emails though, tab just
presents unlabeled links though, so I have to use NVDA+down to read
again. When doing this, there's a half second or so delay between the
time I give the read command and the time it actually starts reading.
2. When deleting an email from your deleted items folder, NVDA
sometimes reads the subject line of the just deleted message instead
of the subject line of the message you're currently viewing. When
deleting a message from the Inbox or a saved folder, NVDA says nothing
until you give it another command.
3. As discussed a month or so ago on this list, with certain versions
of Outlook, you have to use your down arrow key to read a suggestion
when typing an address in the to field of an email.
Hope this helps, and hope someone can correct me if I have the name of
that checkbox wrong, but I think it's use UI Automation.

On 2/10/21, Steve Nutt <steve@comproom.co.uk> wrote:
Hi all,



I am testing an Email marketing platform called EmailOctopus for use in my
business.



One thing I noticed about NVDA, having been a JAWS user for years, but now
moving over more to NVDA, is that it doesn't render HTML Emails correctly.



For example, you never see headings in Emails. If I send myself a test
message and read it in JAWS, I can jump with H to all the headings and know
that the formatting is correct. With NVDA, I just get No Next Heading. In
fact, all the formatting is completely shot.



Is there any way we could get NVDA to render Outlook HTML messages as they
should be rendered, with headings intact?



Thanks for any help.



All the best


Steve



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