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Re: Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA

 

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 05:56 PM, Gene wrote:
Before making changes such as installing a different driver, if there is no sighted help available in a reasonable time, should anything be done without an external USB sound card, speaker, or headphones?
-
A very reasonable question, that's for sure, and if it were my only computer, and I'd be completely "dead in the water" without it, then I'd definitely not be doing major updates to audio device drivers in particular if I didn't have emergency sighted assistance, and that assistant has to have an idea of dealing with rolling back updates to drivers, before doing so.

All of the above being said, and meant, I have never had a driver update that was supplied by the computer's manufacturer (or the sound card's manufacturer) that killed a device when applied.  The same cannot be said of third-party sources, which is why I warn people that there are only three sources from which drivers should be sourced and updates be accepted:  Windows Update, the support page from your computer's manufacturer, the support page from the device's manufacturer.

 
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Re: Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

Jackie
 

Brian, perhaps the easiest way to talk about object navigation is to
think about what you do w/your mouse. You move around the screen,
point at an object you want to interact with, & then click.

If a program's funtions are accessible w/tab, shift-tab, & arrow keys,
then object navigation isn't necessary. But what if they're not? (&
often they aren't). This is when object navigation can become a real
lifesaver. So it's basically accessing programatic elements when the
customary keyboard commands can't.

Does that help you at all?

On 8/6/20, David Goldfield <david.goldfield@outlook.com> wrote:
I often use object navigation when navigating through the screens in
Kaspersky Antivirus.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 8/6/2020 5:16 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Thank you to all who have offered their experiences and to all who may
have yet to do so.  This is exactly what I was hoping to get when I
made the initial post, and I really, really appreciate the input.

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Re: Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA

Gene
 

Before making changes such as installing a different driver, if there is no sighted help available in a reasonable time, should anything be done without an external USB sound card, speaker, or headphones? For myself, it might be a number of days before sighted help might come and I would be very reluctant to try things if I didn't have an external sound card that I can connect to standard headphones or to my receiver for sound.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 4:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 05:38 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
The make is Asus and I don't know off the top of my head what the model is.-
Unfortunately, then, I'm stuck. There are, literally, thousands of Asus computer models, and without the specific model it's impossible to determine what the most recent drivers Asus has for a given computer are.

The only way I know of that you might be able to get the model number, as what's provided varies by maker, is using the DXDIAG command. Hit Winkey+R, enter DXDIAG in the open edit box, then hit Enter. You'll get a message about needing to connect to the internet to check certain things which it's fine to OK, then after about 15-30 seconds a window will pop up with the title DirectX Diagnostic Tool and it is open to its System tab. In that tab, what's shown to the right of the label System model is the model. There is also an Sound tab where the driver information for your sound device (usually output device, e.g., speakers/headphones) is shown. What's important is the Date shown for the sound driver since you'd be checking on your computer's Drivers & Software page to see if the driver they offer is newer than what you have (also make a note of the version number, too, as there are times when an updated package is released, but the driver in it is the same version as an earlier package).


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Re: Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA

 

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 05:38 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
The make is Asus and I don't know off the top of my head what the model is.
-
Unfortunately, then, I'm stuck.  There are, literally, thousands of Asus computer models, and without the specific model it's impossible to determine what the most recent drivers Asus has for a given computer are.

The only way I know of that you might be able to get the model number, as what's provided varies by maker, is using the DXDIAG command.  Hit Winkey+R, enter DXDIAG in the open edit box, then hit Enter.  You'll get a message about needing to connect to the internet to check certain things which it's fine to OK, then after about 15-30 seconds a window will pop up with the title DirectX Diagnostic Tool and it is open to its System tab.  In that tab, what's shown to the right of the label System model is the model.  There is also an Sound tab where the driver information for your sound device (usually output device, e.g., speakers/headphones) is shown.  What's important is the Date shown for the sound driver since you'd be checking on your computer's Drivers & Software page to see if the driver they offer is newer than what you have (also make a note of the version number, too, as there are times when an updated package is released, but the driver in it is the same version as an earlier package).

 
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Re: Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA

 

Hi,
I know you may have tried it, but does this happen if you switch to a different synthesizer? If it doesn’t, it would be better to talk to Espeak NG folks. My guess is that it is across synthesizers, and if yes, it is something we do need to think about.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharni-Lee Ward
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 2:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA

I don't want to have to roll back. I went to the trouble of updating everything, and I don't have 2019.3 because I didn't download any updates between then and now.

On 7/08/2020 7:38 am, Tyler Spivey wrote:
It's perfectly fine to run 2019.2.1. It should keep working for a while.
If it works for you, then great. One thing you might have a problem
with is finding copies of addons that work with it.
The core functionality of NVDA is to speak, so this seems pretty
important to get right.
See the comment I made to #11061 this morning for an easily
reproduceable test case.


On 8/6/2020 2:31 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,

It’s up to you, but at this time, I advise not going to anything
earlier than 2019.3.

Cheers,

Joseph



*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Sharni-Lee Ward
*Sent:* Thursday, August 6, 2020 2:30 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA



Would it be better for me to roll back my NVDA then? Or should I
stick this out and hope improvements come along eventually? I can
assure you I didn't have this problem before I updated, but I was
concerned the minor accessibility issues I was having might be due to
my having an outdated version of NVDA on my system.

On 7/08/2020 2:36 am, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Part of these have to do with speech refactor. Python 3.7 did
contribute somewhat, but we’re basically talking about multiple
changes at once. At the moment NV Access folks are working hard on
improving performance and fixing outstanding Office usability bugs.

Cheers,

Joseph



*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Sean
*Sent:* Thursday, August 6, 2020 9:31 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Speech crackling/breaking up in latest
NVDA



Unfortunately, the old stability disappeared with the move to Python3.

I have an Issue about this. But the NVDA team said this would be a
difficult / complex process.
Nothing can be done right now.

1. https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/11061
2. https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/10971

On 06/08/2020 07:49, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

So I just finally decided to brave the Python 3 hurdle, and
updated from 2019.2.1 to 2020.2. I've updated the addons I could
and wanted to keep, and they're both working fine.


I am, however, having an odd little issue with the synth's
speech. I'm using ESpeak NG, and the latest NVDA. I'm on Windows
10.

My issue is that occasionally, most often at the ends of
sentences and on the word image in the context of that being an
object, the speech will break up slightly, for a brief but
noticeable fraction of a second. It happens irregularly, and I
don't know what to do to fix it. I asked on a Discord server I'm
a member of, and someone there told me to switch audio output
from Microsoft Sound Mapper to my speakers/headphones. I did
this, but it hasn't helped.


I've also noticed a slight but noticeable lag when deleting
characters, and in single-letter navigation. In the latter, It
takes most of a second before NVDA announces the item the cursor
has moved to after the letter was pressed.


Any help regarding these issues would be sincerely appreciated.




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Re: Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA

 

Hi,

That’s the information we’ve been waiting for. At least it helps us narrow down the culprit a bit further.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharni-Lee Ward
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 2:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA

 

The make is Asus and I don't know off the top of my head what the model is. I do know I have Realtec drivers, and that they were responsible for the internal mike on my laptop being as godawful as it is, but I couldn't find the enhancements for that. My USB mike is far superior so I don't care about it any more.

 

It should be noted that this never happens with audio from other sources.

On 7/08/2020 7:29 am, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 05:24 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

I don't know how to check this or how to update the driver without assistance.

-
Which I'm happy to provide, but more information is necessary.  As a starting point, what is the make and model of your computer?
 
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Re: Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA

Sharni-Lee Ward
 

I don't want to have to roll back. I went to the trouble of updating everything, and I don't have 2019.3 because I didn't download any updates between then and now.

On 7/08/2020 7:38 am, Tyler Spivey wrote:
It's perfectly fine to run 2019.2.1. It should keep working for a while.
If it works for you, then great. One thing you might have a problem with
is finding copies of addons that work with it.
The core functionality of NVDA is to speak, so this seems pretty
important to get right.
See the comment I made to #11061 this morning for an easily
reproduceable test case.


On 8/6/2020 2:31 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,

It’s up to you, but at this time, I advise not going to anything earlier
than 2019.3.

Cheers,

Joseph


*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Sharni-Lee Ward
*Sent:* Thursday, August 6, 2020 2:30 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA


Would it be better for me to roll back my NVDA then? Or should I stick
this out and hope improvements come along eventually? I can assure you I
didn't have this problem before I updated, but I was concerned the minor
accessibility issues I was having might be due to my having an outdated
version of NVDA on my system.

On 7/08/2020 2:36 am, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Part of these have to do with speech refactor. Python 3.7 did
contribute somewhat, but we’re basically talking about multiple
changes at once. At the moment NV Access folks are working hard on
improving performance and fixing outstanding Office usability bugs.

Cheers,

Joseph


*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Sean
*Sent:* Thursday, August 6, 2020 9:31 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA


Unfortunately, the old stability disappeared with the move to Python3.

I have an Issue about this. But the NVDA team said this would be a
difficult / complex process.
Nothing can be done right now.

1. https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/11061
2. https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/10971

On 06/08/2020 07:49, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

So I just finally decided to brave the Python 3 hurdle, and
updated from 2019.2.1 to 2020.2. I've updated the addons I could
and wanted to keep, and they're both working fine.


I am, however, having an odd little issue with the synth's
speech. I'm using ESpeak NG, and the latest NVDA. I'm on Windows
10.

My issue is that occasionally, most often at the ends of
sentences and on the word image in the context of that being an
object, the speech will break up slightly, for a brief but
noticeable fraction of a second. It happens irregularly, and I
don't know what to do to fix it. I asked on a Discord server I'm
a member of, and someone there told me to switch audio output
from Microsoft Sound Mapper to my speakers/headphones. I did
this, but it hasn't helped.


I've also noticed a slight but noticeable lag when deleting
characters, and in single-letter navigation. In the latter, It
takes most of a second before NVDA announces the item the cursor
has moved to after the letter was pressed.


Any help regarding these issues would be sincerely appreciated.




--


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C++.


Re: Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA

 

Hi,
Speech output is one of the major components of NVDA. However, I would say that interpretation is a slightly higher priority, along with responsiveness in how it is carried out. Not that I don't value speech issues as something to be ignored - it is a major priority. I wrote the below statement, recognizing that Python Software Foundation itself no longer supports Python 2.7, which has huge implications even for NVDA at some point. Older NVDA releases will work fine, but we cannot ignore the speed on which we drive the highway.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Spivey
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 2:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA

It's perfectly fine to run 2019.2.1. It should keep working for a while.
If it works for you, then great. One thing you might have a problem with is finding copies of addons that work with it.
The core functionality of NVDA is to speak, so this seems pretty important to get right.
See the comment I made to #11061 this morning for an easily reproduceable test case.


On 8/6/2020 2:31 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,

It’s up to you, but at this time, I advise not going to anything
earlier than 2019.3.

Cheers,

Joseph



*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Sharni-Lee Ward
*Sent:* Thursday, August 6, 2020 2:30 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA



Would it be better for me to roll back my NVDA then? Or should I stick
this out and hope improvements come along eventually? I can assure you
I didn't have this problem before I updated, but I was concerned the
minor accessibility issues I was having might be due to my having an
outdated version of NVDA on my system.

On 7/08/2020 2:36 am, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Part of these have to do with speech refactor. Python 3.7 did
contribute somewhat, but we’re basically talking about multiple
changes at once. At the moment NV Access folks are working hard on
improving performance and fixing outstanding Office usability bugs.

Cheers,

Joseph



*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Sean
*Sent:* Thursday, August 6, 2020 9:31 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA



Unfortunately, the old stability disappeared with the move to Python3.

I have an Issue about this. But the NVDA team said this would be a
difficult / complex process.
Nothing can be done right now.

1. https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/11061
2. https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/10971

On 06/08/2020 07:49, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

So I just finally decided to brave the Python 3 hurdle, and
updated from 2019.2.1 to 2020.2. I've updated the addons I could
and wanted to keep, and they're both working fine.


I am, however, having an odd little issue with the synth's
speech. I'm using ESpeak NG, and the latest NVDA. I'm on Windows
10.

My issue is that occasionally, most often at the ends of
sentences and on the word image in the context of that being an
object, the speech will break up slightly, for a brief but
noticeable fraction of a second. It happens irregularly, and I
don't know what to do to fix it. I asked on a Discord server I'm
a member of, and someone there told me to switch audio output
from Microsoft Sound Mapper to my speakers/headphones. I did
this, but it hasn't helped.


I've also noticed a slight but noticeable lag when deleting
characters, and in single-letter navigation. In the latter, It
takes most of a second before NVDA announces the item the cursor
has moved to after the letter was pressed.


Any help regarding these issues would be sincerely appreciated.




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Re: Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA

Tyler Spivey
 

It's perfectly fine to run 2019.2.1. It should keep working for a while.
If it works for you, then great. One thing you might have a problem with
is finding copies of addons that work with it.
The core functionality of NVDA is to speak, so this seems pretty
important to get right.
See the comment I made to #11061 this morning for an easily
reproduceable test case.

On 8/6/2020 2:31 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,

It’s up to you, but at this time, I advise not going to anything earlier
than 2019.3.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Sharni-Lee Ward
*Sent:* Thursday, August 6, 2020 2:30 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA

 

Would it be better for me to roll back my NVDA then? Or should I stick
this out and hope improvements come along eventually? I can assure you I
didn't have this problem before I updated, but I was concerned the minor
accessibility issues I was having might be due to my having an outdated
version of NVDA on my system.

On 7/08/2020 2:36 am, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Part of these have to do with speech refactor. Python 3.7 did
contribute somewhat, but we’re basically talking about multiple
changes at once. At the moment NV Access folks are working hard on
improving performance and fixing outstanding Office usability bugs.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Sean
*Sent:* Thursday, August 6, 2020 9:31 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA

 

Unfortunately, the old stability disappeared with the move to Python3.

I have an Issue about this. But the NVDA team said this would be a
difficult / complex process.
Nothing can be done right now.

1. https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/11061
2. https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/10971

On 06/08/2020 07:49, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

So I just finally decided to brave the Python 3 hurdle, and
updated from 2019.2.1 to 2020.2. I've updated the addons I could
and wanted to keep, and they're both working fine.


I am, however, having an odd little issue with the synth's
speech. I'm using ESpeak NG, and the latest NVDA. I'm on Windows
10.

My issue is that occasionally, most often at the ends of
sentences and on the word image in the context of that being an
object, the speech will break up slightly, for a brief but
noticeable fraction of a second. It happens irregularly, and I
don't know what to do to fix it. I asked on a Discord server I'm
a member of, and someone there told me to switch audio output
from Microsoft Sound Mapper to my speakers/headphones. I did
this, but it hasn't helped.


I've also noticed a slight but noticeable lag when deleting
characters, and in single-letter navigation. In the latter, It
takes most of a second before NVDA announces the item the cursor
has moved to after the letter was pressed.


Any help regarding these issues would be sincerely appreciated.




--


Sean

* Email: seantolstoyevski@protonmail.com
<mailto:seantolstoyevski@protonmail.com>
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C++.


Re: Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA

Sharni-Lee Ward
 

The make is Asus and I don't know off the top of my head what the model is. I do know I have Realtec drivers, and that they were responsible for the internal mike on my laptop being as godawful as it is, but I couldn't find the enhancements for that. My USB mike is far superior so I don't care about it any more.


It should be noted that this never happens with audio from other sources.

On 7/08/2020 7:29 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 05:24 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
I don't know how to check this or how to update the driver without assistance.
-
Which I'm happy to provide, but more information is necessary.  As a starting point, what is the make and model of your computer?
 
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Re: Issue With Windows Security And Monitoring Virus Scan Progress

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Sarah and Gene,

That works perfectly. I don't know how I missed that one. 

On 8/6/2020 11:09 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Have you considered using object navigation instead of screen review? This is actually what I do and it works beautifully. Simply in laptop mode (I don't use desktop mode ever) do an nvda shift left and right to move between objects, and nvda down and up to interact and not interact with each object. You do not in my experience need to switch modes.

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On 6 Aug 2020, at 4:37, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hello Group,

Until recently (I am not sure when this started) when I would manually run a Virus scan for Windows security, I could switch to the screen review cursor and look at the dialogue including the progress and setting.  Now when I try this during a scan, all NVDA says is 'blandk.'  Now if I use the read dialogue keystroke insert + B, after reading through a bunch of superfluous items such as the tool bars and system items, I do get the scan progress information read correctly.  This means that it must be recognizable by NVDA at some level.

Has anyone else seen this issue?  If so, is there some way of rectifying the situation?  If NVDA sees it in the read dialogue context, shouldn't it be available in some form so that it can be read more easily?

Thanks for any help.

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Re: Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA

 

Hi,

It’s up to you, but at this time, I advise not going to anything earlier than 2019.3.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharni-Lee Ward
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 2:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA

 

Would it be better for me to roll back my NVDA then? Or should I stick this out and hope improvements come along eventually? I can assure you I didn't have this problem before I updated, but I was concerned the minor accessibility issues I was having might be due to my having an outdated version of NVDA on my system.

On 7/08/2020 2:36 am, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Part of these have to do with speech refactor. Python 3.7 did contribute somewhat, but we’re basically talking about multiple changes at once. At the moment NV Access folks are working hard on improving performance and fixing outstanding Office usability bugs.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sean
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 9:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA

 

Unfortunately, the old stability disappeared with the move to Python3.

I have an Issue about this. But the NVDA team said this would be a difficult / complex process.
Nothing can be done right now.

1. https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/11061
2. https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/10971

On 06/08/2020 07:49, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

So I just finally decided to brave the Python 3 hurdle, and updated from 2019.2.1 to 2020.2. I've updated the addons I could and wanted to keep, and they're both working fine.


I am, however, having an odd little issue with the synth's speech. I'm using ESpeak NG, and the latest NVDA. I'm on Windows 10.

My issue is that occasionally, most often at the ends of sentences and on the word image in the context of that being an object, the speech will break up slightly, for a brief but noticeable fraction of a second. It happens irregularly, and I don't know what to do to fix it. I asked on a Discord server I'm a member of, and someone there told me to switch audio output from Microsoft Sound Mapper to my speakers/headphones. I did this, but it hasn't helped.


I've also noticed a slight but noticeable lag when deleting characters, and in single-letter navigation. In the latter, It takes most of a second before NVDA announces the item the cursor has moved to after the letter was pressed.


Any help regarding these issues would be sincerely appreciated.




--

Sean

👨🦯 I’m programmer. I coding often Python, sometimes Go and rarely C++.


Re: Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA

Sharni-Lee Ward
 

Would it be better for me to roll back my NVDA then? Or should I stick this out and hope improvements come along eventually? I can assure you I didn't have this problem before I updated, but I was concerned the minor accessibility issues I was having might be due to my having an outdated version of NVDA on my system.

On 7/08/2020 2:36 am, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Part of these have to do with speech refactor. Python 3.7 did contribute somewhat, but we’re basically talking about multiple changes at once. At the moment NV Access folks are working hard on improving performance and fixing outstanding Office usability bugs.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sean
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 9:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA

 

Unfortunately, the old stability disappeared with the move to Python3.

I have an Issue about this. But the NVDA team said this would be a difficult / complex process.
Nothing can be done right now.

1. https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/11061
2. https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/10971

On 06/08/2020 07:49, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

So I just finally decided to brave the Python 3 hurdle, and updated from 2019.2.1 to 2020.2. I've updated the addons I could and wanted to keep, and they're both working fine.


I am, however, having an odd little issue with the synth's speech. I'm using ESpeak NG, and the latest NVDA. I'm on Windows 10.

My issue is that occasionally, most often at the ends of sentences and on the word image in the context of that being an object, the speech will break up slightly, for a brief but noticeable fraction of a second. It happens irregularly, and I don't know what to do to fix it. I asked on a Discord server I'm a member of, and someone there told me to switch audio output from Microsoft Sound Mapper to my speakers/headphones. I did this, but it hasn't helped.


I've also noticed a slight but noticeable lag when deleting characters, and in single-letter navigation. In the latter, It takes most of a second before NVDA announces the item the cursor has moved to after the letter was pressed.


Any help regarding these issues would be sincerely appreciated.



--

Sean

👨🦯 I’m programmer. I coding often Python, sometimes Go and rarely C++.


Re: Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA

 

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 05:24 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
I don't know how to check this or how to update the driver without assistance.
-
Which I'm happy to provide, but more information is necessary.  As a starting point, what is the make and model of your computer?
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Re: Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA

Gene
 

Which is a good example of why people should have an extra USB sound card or UsB headphones or speakers. If you lose sound on your main sound card for some reason, and you don't have one of these things, you may be in trouble without sighted help.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Sharni-Lee Ward
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 4:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA



I don't know how to check this or how to update the driver without assistance. If I mess something up and lose sound, I will have far bigger problems than this. And will also be down a computer. Which would be bad.


On 7/08/2020 2:12 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
Also be certain that the device drivers for your sound device(s) are completely up to date. I see more complaints coming across the general purpose Windows 10 technical support groups about pops, cracks, and other audio irregularities that I ever have with any prior version of Windows. It can almost always be traced back to the drivers, whether that's because the ones installed are old and from the OEM (whether of your computer or sound card), or are newer but Microsoft issued generic ones where the latest OEM drivers are really needed.

--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

~ Oscar Wilde


Re: Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

David Goldfield
 

I often use object navigation when navigating through the screens in Kaspersky Antivirus.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 8/6/2020 5:16 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Thank you to all who have offered their experiences and to all who may have yet to do so.  This is exactly what I was hoping to get when I made the initial post, and I really, really appreciate the input.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Re: Issue With Windows Security And Monitoring Virus Scan Progress

Ron Canazzi
 

Malware bytes is not an anti virus program.  Windows Security in Windows 10 includes firewall,anti spyware, anti malware and anti virus elements.


On 8/6/2020 8:42 AM, Daniel Damacena wrote:
Which antivirus  are you talking about?
I am using malwarebytes. It is not totally accessible. Whenever I need to activate an option I need to bring the mouse to it and click on it, but it is really effective!


Em qui., 6 de ago. de 2020 às 08:37, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> escreveu:
Hello Group,

Until recently (I am not sure when this started) when I would manually
run a Virus scan for Windows security, I could switch to the screen
review cursor and look at the dialogue including the progress and
setting.  Now when I try this during a scan, all NVDA says is 'blandk.' 
Now if I use the read dialogue keystroke insert + B, after reading
through a bunch of superfluous items such as the tool bars and system
items, I do get the scan progress information read correctly.  This
means that it must be recognizable by NVDA at some level.

Has anyone else seen this issue?  If so, is there some way of rectifying
the situation?  If NVDA sees it in the read dialogue context, shouldn't
it be available in some form so that it can be read more easily?

Thanks for any help.



--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"






--
Daniel Damacena

-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Speech crackling/breaking up in latest NVDA

Sharni-Lee Ward
 

I don't know how to check this or how to update the driver without assistance. If I mess something up and lose sound, I will have far bigger problems than this. And will also be down a computer. Which would be bad.

On 7/08/2020 2:12 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
Also be certain that the device drivers for your sound device(s) are completely up to date.  I see more complaints coming across the general purpose Windows 10 technical support groups about pops, cracks, and other audio irregularities that I ever have with any prior version of Windows.   It can almost always be traced back to the drivers, whether that's because the ones installed are old and from the OEM (whether of your computer or sound card), or are newer but Microsoft issued generic ones where the latest OEM drivers are really needed.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Re: Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

 

Thank you to all who have offered their experiences and to all who may have yet to do so.  This is exactly what I was hoping to get when I made the initial post, and I really, really appreciate the input.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Re: Nvda and Thunderbird

 

I'm sorry. Wrong version number, 78.1.0.





On 8/6/2020 1:17 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:

Sorry, but why don't you update Thunderbird?

Mine is in version 68.11.0...


Rui Fontes


Às 17:42 de 06/08/2020, Governor staten escreveu:

I'm hearing the same things. I'm using Thunderbird 8.1.0. You could see if turning off the status bar under toolbars might help you.


This was supposed to be addressed. However, it seems to be an imperfect fix on my end.





On 8/6/2020 12:11 PM, Jarek.Krcmar wrote:
Hello everyone,
In Thunderbird, Nvda tells me: Moved a message from the Inbox, Copying a message to the Drafts folder, and tells me something about the account. He also wants to say something when sending the message.
Can it be turned off somewhere?
Regards

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