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Re: espeak and pronunciation of some words

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They have fixed a lot but seem in the way of things to have creates new ones recently. Have you tried speech player in Espeak add on and seen if you select the same voice as you now are using if the same thing happens. It seems better to me. This in effect loads an older version of Espeak in to use as a comparison.

Brian

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From: "Governor staten" <govsta@gmail.com>
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Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 6:54 AM
Subject: [nvda] espeak and pronunciation of some words


I'll try to describe this as best I can. Take the word "content". The stress in this word is wrong, or, very much off. This is the case with other words too. Nazarene should sound like Nazareen. I'm sure there are other words like this I, and others, could think of.


Any word with the letter "o" is likely to have the stress wrong. Monster is another example. This could just be me. Does anyone else hear what I'm hearing?



Re: Typing Echo Change with 2018.1

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Do all of you have Braille displays?
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From: "Gary" <ironmangary@gmail.com>
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Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 6:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Typing Echo Change with 2018.1


Ok, that's really odd. All of them were slow on the typing echo, including 2017.4, which is what I was running previously without issue. I'm confused to how that could be possible. :/


Re: Voice settings spontaneously resetting to eSpeak

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Could she be using the synth ring key combinations accidentally somehow?
Brian

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Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 1:45 AM
Subject: [nvda] Voice settings spontaneously resetting to eSpeak


I have been using N V D A for several years on behalf of a blind lady in Texas, who I now support remotely.

Recently, N V D A has been spontaneously returning to an eSpeak voice instead of her preference, which is the Microsoft Zira voice for the M S A P I 5. I have checked the "save settings on exit" but that doesn't seem to make any difference.

She has a slight hearing deficit that makes it more difficult to understand the "mechanical man" (her term), and has had to have me set it back to Zira several times in the last few weeks.

Is there a command sequence that I can put into a startup file that can force the choice of synth and voice?


Re: NVDA randumly crashing?

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I do not see this in Windows 7, but the other person has windows 8.1.
I'd expect all sorts of issues with 10, due to its numerous builds over its lifetime thus far.
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From: "Don H" <lmddh50@adams.net>
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Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA randumly crashing?


I am running NVDA on a Win 10 64 bit laptop and with the last two or three versions of NVDA including 2018-1 I get NVDA crashing randomly when I hit the windows key to open the start menu. I simply restart NVDA and everything seems fine again until the next random crash.



Re: NVDA randumly crashing?

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My first thought would be to check if I had the newest versions of the add ons.
If that is ok and it still goes away)you don't say what crashing actually means here), then turn them off and see what happens, turning one on one by one and see if it crashes. obviously if it is crashing with none on then its n NVD A or some other clash. If you mean it stops speaking check the profiles for a rogue one that goes to sleep mode. Check with Espeak and see if that also crashes.
I'm obviously not going to suggest the synth add on be disabled but it has been implicated in funny happenings before.
Brian

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From: "Matt Turner" <meturner2214@gmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 9:39 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA randumly crashing?


Hi folks, subject says it all.

I'm using windows 8.1, 64 bit, with 2018.1.

I never no when this will happen, but it sometimes seems to happen when I'm in file explorer.

The list of addons I have installed, are.


Installed Add-ons
Package Status Versi... Author
Clipspeak runni... 1.0 Damien Sykes-Lindley <damien@dcpendleton.plus.c...
Announce Dropbox state... runni... 4.3 Patrick ZAJDA <patrick@zajda.fr>, Filaos and other c...
NoBeepsSpeechMode runni... 2.3 Alberto Buffolino <a.buffolino@gmail.com>
OCR runni... 0.201... NV Access Limited & other contributors
Speak Passwords runni... 1.01 Tyler Spivey <tspivey@pcdesk.net>
sysTrayList - list sys tray ... runni... 2.2 Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>, Rui Batista ...
TeamTalk Classic Fixes runni... 0.98 Doug Lee with initial work by Tyler Spivey and others
Virtual Review runni... 2.2 Rui Batista <ruiandrebatista@gmail.com> and NVDA...

HTH.



Re: an app and a program question

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I thought it was for Dragon?

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From: "Lino Morales" <linomorales001@gmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] an app and a program question


Karren. Sound Scape is an IOS app. Dictation Bridge is an NVDA add-on and a executable for JAWS. For more INFO go to:
www.dictationbridge.com

Lino Morales

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Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 1:47 PM
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Subject: [nvda] an app and a program question

is microsoft soundscape available for downlode?
also is dictation bridge a full program, or an addon to assist another?
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From: Gene<mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>
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Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email clients for windows 7 32 bits, anny recommendation?

I don't know which link you are referring to. The link I sent is to a full version, not a stub. The program hasn't been available from Microsoft for some time. Also, if all they have is a stub, they should take the opportunity to download the full version from the link I or someone else provides and back it up. You may need the full installer at some point if the program needs to be reinstalled.

Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Email clients for windows 7 32 bits, anny recommendation?

Well if it means anything to anyone, and without installing it we get the
below details. However bit worried about the web suffix as this implies it
may well be a stub loader and the data is no longer on line If I had a look
around I might find an old version on an xp machine though.
Name: wlunpacker.exe
Size: 65 896
Modified: 2010-05-11 11:21:28
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Path: rsrc\0\WLUNPACKER\CAB
Type: Cab
Warnings: There are some data after the end of the payload data
Physical Size: 33 907
Tail Size: 5 976
Method: LZX:21
Blocks: 1
Volumes: 1
Volume Index: 0
ID: 0
----
Path: rsrc\0\WLUNPACKER\CAB
Size: 39 883
Packed Size: 39 883
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Path: C:\Users\Brian\Downloads\wlsetup-web.exe
Type: PE
Physical Size: 1 290 088
CPU: x86
Characteristics: Executable 32-bit
Created: 2012-03-09 02:14:00
Headers Size: 1 024
Checksum: 1353773
Name: wlsres.dll.mui
Image Size: 1314816
Section Alignment: 4096
File Alignment: 512
Code Size: 945152
Initialized Data Size: 337920
Uninitialized Data Size: 0
Linker Version: 9.0
OS Version: 6.0
Image Version: 6.0
Subsystem Version: 6.0
Subsystem: Windows GUI
DLL Characteristics: Relocated NX-Compatible TerminalServerAware
Stack Reserve: 262144
Stack Commit: 8192
Heap Reserve: 1048576
Heap Commit: 4096
Image Base: 4194304
Comment: FileVersion: 15.4.3555.308
FileVersion: 15.4.3555.0308
ProductVersion: 15.4.3555.308
ProductVersion: 15.4.3555.0308
CompanyName: Microsoft Corporation
FileDescription: Windows Live Installer
InternalName: wlsres
LegalCopyright: © Microsoft Corporation. Toate drepturile rezervate.
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ProductName: Windows Live


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From: "Florian Ionașcu" <florianionascu@hotmail.com<mailto:florianionascu@hotmail.com>>
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Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email clients for windows 7 32 bits, anny
recommendation?


Hello Gene! Sincerely, I don't remember what version is. I haven't used this
client for a long time.





Re: Typing Echo Change with 2018.1

 

garry,
you can uninstall nvda 2018.1 completely and try installation of nvda
17.4 fresh install.
try it and see can you use 2017.4 without problem that you described?

On 3/11/18, Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@gmail.com> wrote:
Garry,

Do the letters appear on the screen as fast as you type? Or are they
delayed?

Please run a CCleaner and clean your registry. Does the issue still occur?

Best
Adriani


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 11.03.2018 um 07:25 schrieb Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>:

Hi,
Hmmm, that’s really odd indeed. Do you have access to another computer
with a similar setup where you can test these builds? Also, if you are
comfortable installing beta software releases, do you mind installing
2017.4 back (and disable update checking via general settings dialog) and
see if it improves things a bit? If it does improve things, then please
install each of the beta builds (in sequence as described in my email) and
let us know if you notice any changes.
Also, an advanced warning for people really tempted to do the following
(and in order to avoid another instance of miscommunication like VS2017
runtime problem a few weeks back): just because you can’t reproduce a
problem DOES NOT MEAN you can close an issue or ignore it. Who knows if
the problem reported by a user might happen to you one day, or the
reporter found a solution that works for him or her that might or might
not apply to others. There are some in the community (who shall remain
nameless) who downplay the severity of a problem when they can’t reproduce
it or think their version of Windows is immune. No, a problem reported by
a user is still a problem if it negatively affects productivity for them,
potentially marring their NVDA experience. Some of you may think that what
Gary is going through is a minor anoyance, but if this problem affects his
productivity, then it should still be investigated to find out why, hence
my suggestion to let him try different beta builds. I’m saying all this
because I think we should change our attitudes about providing support for
newcomers and/or those who are experiencing problems we can’t reproduce
(easily).
Cheers,
Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 10:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Typing Echo Change with 2018.1

Ok, that's really odd. All of them were slow on the typing echo,
including 2017.4, which is what I was running previously without issue.
I'm confused to how that could be possible. :/
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Re: Typing Echo Change with 2018.1

Adriani Botez
 

Garry,

Do the letters appear on the screen as fast as you type? Or are they delayed?

Please run a CCleaner and clean your registry. Does the issue still occur?

Best
Adriani


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 11.03.2018 um 07:25 schrieb Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>:

Hi,

Hmmm, that’s really odd indeed. Do you have access to another computer with a similar setup where you can test these builds? Also, if you are comfortable installing beta software releases, do you mind installing 2017.4 back (and disable update checking via general settings dialog) and see if it improves things a bit? If it does improve things, then please install each of the beta builds (in sequence as described in my email) and let us know if you notice any changes.

Also, an advanced warning for people really tempted to do the following (and in order to avoid another instance of miscommunication like VS2017 runtime problem a few weeks back): just because you can’t reproduce a problem DOES NOT MEAN you can close an issue or ignore it. Who knows if the problem reported by a user might happen to you one day, or the reporter found a solution that works for him or her that might or might not apply to others. There are some in the community (who shall remain nameless) who downplay the severity of a problem when they can’t reproduce it or think their version of Windows is immune. No, a problem reported by a user is still a problem if it negatively affects productivity for them, potentially marring their NVDA experience. Some of you may think that what Gary is going through is a minor anoyance, but if this problem affects his productivity, then it should still be investigated to find out why, hence my suggestion to let him try different beta builds. I’m saying all this because I think we should change our attitudes about providing support for newcomers and/or those who are experiencing problems we can’t reproduce (easily).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 10:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Typing Echo Change with 2018.1

 

Ok, that's really odd.  All of them were slow on the typing echo, including 2017.4, which is what I was running previously without issue.  I'm confused to how that could be possible. :/


Re: espeak and pronunciation of some words

 

My voice is English America and variant is Max.





On 3/11/2018 3:15 AM, John Isige wrote:
Mine was Variant Max. Also shows up for all Ivans, John, and at least one of the Klats/Clats, I don't feel like checking them all. Voice is English America.


On 3/11/2018 1:10, John Isige wrote:
He was content with the content of the book. Both "contents" sound fine to me in that sentence. Nazarene is indeed wrong, it should sound like Nazareen but sounds like Nazaren, except the 'ren' part is accented. That would be a useful trick if you could reproduce it, but it's wrong here. Also, 'reproduce' sounds a bit more like 'riproduce' then 'reeproduce'.


On 3/11/2018 0:54, Governor staten wrote:
I'll try to describe this as best I can. Take the word "content". The stress in this word is wrong, or, very much off. This is the case with other words too. Nazarene should sound like Nazareen. I'm sure there are other words like this I, and others, could think of.


Any word with the letter "o" is likely to have the stress wrong. Monster is another example. This could just be me. Does anyone else hear what I'm hearing?













Re: espeak and pronunciation of some words

 

I'm using whichever version of ESpeak NG is in the latest Next snapshot.





On 3/11/2018 3:10 AM, Rob Hudson wrote:
Governor staten <govsta@...> wrote:
I'll try to describe this as best I can. Take the word "content". The
stress in this word is wrong, or, very much off. This is the case with
other words too. Nazarene should sound like Nazareen. I'm sure there are
other words like this I, and others, could think of.

What variant. There are a lot of espeak variants here.




Re: espeak and pronunciation of some words

John Isige
 

Mine was Variant Max. Also shows up for all Ivans, John, and at least one of the Klats/Clats, I don't feel like checking them all. Voice is English America.

On 3/11/2018 1:10, John Isige wrote:
He was content with the content of the book. Both "contents" sound fine to me in that sentence. Nazarene is indeed wrong, it should sound like Nazareen but sounds like Nazaren, except the 'ren' part is accented. That would be a useful trick if you could reproduce it, but it's wrong here. Also, 'reproduce' sounds a bit more like 'riproduce' then 'reeproduce'.


On 3/11/2018 0:54, Governor staten wrote:
I'll try to describe this as best I can. Take the word "content". The stress in this word is wrong, or, very much off. This is the case with other words too. Nazarene should sound like Nazareen. I'm sure there are other words like this I, and others, could think of.


Any word with the letter "o" is likely to have the stress wrong. Monster is another example. This could just be me. Does anyone else hear what I'm hearing?





Re: espeak and pronunciation of some words

Rob Hudson
 

Governor staten <govsta@gmail.com> wrote:
I'll try to describe this as best I can. Take the word "content". The
stress in this word is wrong, or, very much off. This is the case with
other words too. Nazarene should sound like Nazareen. I'm sure there are
other words like this I, and others, could think of.

What variant. There are a lot of espeak variants here.


Re: espeak and pronunciation of some words

John Isige
 

He was content with the content of the book. Both "contents" sound fine to me in that sentence. Nazarene is indeed wrong, it should sound like Nazareen but sounds like Nazaren, except the 'ren' part is accented. That would be a useful trick if you could reproduce it, but it's wrong here. Also, 'reproduce' sounds a bit more like 'riproduce' then 'reeproduce'.

On 3/11/2018 0:54, Governor staten wrote:
I'll try to describe this as best I can. Take the word "content". The stress in this word is wrong, or, very much off. This is the case with other words too. Nazarene should sound like Nazareen. I'm sure there are other words like this I, and others, could think of.


Any word with the letter "o" is likely to have the stress wrong. Monster is another example. This could just be me. Does anyone else hear what I'm hearing?



espeak and pronunciation of some words

 

I'll try to describe this as best I can. Take the word "content". The stress in this word is wrong, or, very much off. This is the case with other words too. Nazarene should sound like Nazareen. I'm sure there are other words like this I, and others, could think of.


Any word with the letter "o" is likely to have the stress wrong. Monster is another example. This could just be me. Does anyone else hear what I'm hearing?


Re: Typing Echo Change with 2018.1

 

Hi,

Hmmm, that’s really odd indeed. Do you have access to another computer with a similar setup where you can test these builds? Also, if you are comfortable installing beta software releases, do you mind installing 2017.4 back (and disable update checking via general settings dialog) and see if it improves things a bit? If it does improve things, then please install each of the beta builds (in sequence as described in my email) and let us know if you notice any changes.

Also, an advanced warning for people really tempted to do the following (and in order to avoid another instance of miscommunication like VS2017 runtime problem a few weeks back): just because you can’t reproduce a problem DOES NOT MEAN you can close an issue or ignore it. Who knows if the problem reported by a user might happen to you one day, or the reporter found a solution that works for him or her that might or might not apply to others. There are some in the community (who shall remain nameless) who downplay the severity of a problem when they can’t reproduce it or think their version of Windows is immune. No, a problem reported by a user is still a problem if it negatively affects productivity for them, potentially marring their NVDA experience. Some of you may think that what Gary is going through is a minor anoyance, but if this problem affects his productivity, then it should still be investigated to find out why, hence my suggestion to let him try different beta builds. I’m saying all this because I think we should change our attitudes about providing support for newcomers and/or those who are experiencing problems we can’t reproduce (easily).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 10:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Typing Echo Change with 2018.1

 

Ok, that's really odd.  All of them were slow on the typing echo, including 2017.4, which is what I was running previously without issue.  I'm confused to how that could be possible. :/


Re: Typing Echo Change with 2018.1

Gary
 

Ok, that's really odd.  All of them were slow on the typing echo, including 2017.4, which is what I was running previously without issue.  I'm confused to how that could be possible. :/


Re: NVDA randumly crashing?

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


What synth package are you using? It could be the synth package doing it like I remember the old viavoice synth package used to crash now and again.


Gene nz



On 3/11/2018 10:39 AM, Matt Turner wrote:
Hi folks, subject says it all.

I'm using windows 8.1, 64 bit, with 2018.1.

I never no when this will happen, but it sometimes seems to happen when I'm in file explorer.

The list of addons I have installed, are.


Installed Add-ons
Package Status Versi... Author
Clipspeak runni... 1.0 Damien Sykes-Lindley <damien@......
Announce Dropbox state... runni... 4.3 Patrick ZAJDA <patrick@...>, Filaos and other c...
NoBeepsSpeechMode runni... 2.3 Alberto Buffolino <a.buffolino@...>
OCR runni... 0.201... NV Access Limited & other contributors
Speak Passwords runni... 1.01 Tyler Spivey <tspivey@...>
sysTrayList - list sys tray ... runni... 2.2 Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...>, Rui Batista ...
TeamTalk Classic Fixes runni... 0.98 Doug Lee with initial work by Tyler Spivey and others
Virtual Review runni... 2.2 Rui Batista <ruiandrebatista@...> and NVDA...

HTH.





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Re: Typing Echo Change with 2018.1

 

Hi,

I see. Can you try the following for me:

  1. Download several beta builds (listed below).
  2. Run each one as an installer (do not install them, just run them) with NVDA set to speak typed characters.
  3. Tell me which beta build seems slower when announcing typed characters.

 

Beta build candidates to try:

  1. NVDA 2017.4.
  2. Build 14729 (December 14, 2017): https://ci.appveyor.com/api/buildjobs/ui46m9d93xvsn7rw/artifacts/output/nvda_snapshot_master-14729,3152eacc.exe
  3. Build 14767 (January 3, 2018): https://ci.appveyor.com/api/buildjobs/w1e53fm8wj1vwqvv/artifacts/output/nvda_snapshot_master-14767,f7853f34.exe
  4. Build 14825 (February 1, 2018): https://ci.appveyor.com/api/buildjobs/54881ddsb9906a9l/artifacts/output/nvda_snapshot_master-14825,2017d1f5.exe
  5. Build 14868 (February 19, 2018): https://ci.appveyor.com/api/buildjobs/tmfpypkc4fwuoqlw/artifacts/output/nvda_snapshot_master-14868,48743675.exe
  6. NVDA 2018.1.

 

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 9:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Typing Echo Change with 2018.1

 

I had tried restarting the PC earlier.  I just now tried two different syntehsizers, but no difference.


Re: Voice settings spontaneously resetting to eSpeak

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


Have you also just in case used the ctrl key + nvda key + the letter C to save the configuration just in case the setting was not saved.


Gene nz



On 3/11/2018 2:45 PM, Howard wrote:
I have been using N V D A for several years on behalf of a blind lady in Texas, who I now support remotely.
 
Recently, N V D A has been spontaneously returning to an eSpeak voice instead of her preference, which is the Microsoft Zira voice for the M S A P I 5. I have checked the "save settings on exit" but that doesn't seem to make any difference.

She has a slight hearing deficit that makes it more difficult to understand the "mechanical man" (her term), and has had to have me set it back to Zira several times in the last few weeks.

Is there a command sequence that I can put into a startup file that can force the choice of synth and voice?

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Re: Typing Echo Change with 2018.1

Gary
 

I had tried restarting the PC earlier.  I just now tried two different syntehsizers, but no difference.