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Re: where can I get an older version of NVDA?

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It is still there.
However from what I've read if its Braille driver related you will need to remove the driver that comes with the new version manually first before reinstalling the old one.
Brian

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From: "Lino Morales" <linomorales001@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] where can I get an older version of NVDA?


Why do you want an older version? Just curious. If you still want it I hope someone can give the URL on the NV Access site assuming that 2017.4 is still up their.

Lino Morales

From: Chris Judd<mailto:chrischas0805@charter.net>
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 12:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] where can I get an older version of NVDA?

Hi all,

Today, I accidently updated to the latest version of NVDA. Is there a place I can go to download the version before this one?
Chris


Re: Email clients for windows 7 32 bits, anny recommendation?

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Well if it means anything to anyone, and without installing it we get the below details. However bit worried about the web suffix as this implies it may well be a stub loader and the data is no longer on line. If I had a look around I might find an old version on an xp machine though.
Name: wlunpacker.exe
Size: 65 896
Modified: 2010-05-11 11:21:28
Attributes: A
Method: LZX:21
Block: 0
----------------------------
Size: 65 896
Packed Size: 0
Folders: 0
Files: 1
----------------------------
Path: .rsrc\0\WLUNPACKER\CAB
Type: Cab
Warnings: There are some data after the end of the payload data
Physical Size: 33 907
Tail Size: 5 976
Method: LZX:21
Blocks: 1
Volumes: 1
Volume Index: 0
ID: 0
----
Path: .rsrc\0\WLUNPACKER\CAB
Size: 39 883
Packed Size: 39 883
----------------------------
Path: C:\Users\Brian\Downloads\wlsetup-web.exe
Type: PE
Physical Size: 1 290 088
CPU: x86
Characteristics: Executable 32-bit
Created: 2012-03-09 02:14:00
Headers Size: 1 024
Checksum: 1353773
Name: wlsres.dll.mui
Image Size: 1314816
Section Alignment: 4096
File Alignment: 512
Code Size: 945152
Initialized Data Size: 337920
Uninitialized Data Size: 0
Linker Version: 9.0
OS Version: 6.0
Image Version: 6.0
Subsystem Version: 6.0
Subsystem: Windows GUI
DLL Characteristics: Relocated NX-Compatible TerminalServerAware
Stack Reserve: 262144
Stack Commit: 8192
Heap Reserve: 1048576
Heap Commit: 4096
Image Base: 4194304
Comment: FileVersion: 15.4.3555.308
FileVersion: 15.4.3555.0308
ProductVersion: 15.4.3555.308
ProductVersion: 15.4.3555.0308
CompanyName: Microsoft Corporation
FileDescription: Windows Live Installer
InternalName: wlsres
LegalCopyright: © Microsoft Corporation. Toate drepturile rezervate.
OriginalFilename: wlsres.dll.mui
ProductName: Windows Live


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From: "Florian Ionașcu" <florianionascu@hotmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email clients for windows 7 32 bits, anny recommendation?


Hello Gene! Sincerely, I don't remember what version is. I haven't used this client for a long time.


Re: Braille support in Google Sheets with NVDA 2018.1 change release notes

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The problem is that fro all sorts of reasons, things can work for some and not for others.
The diversity of possible combinations really does need a large group of users to test things.
I do not use Braille, so it would be nice if more of those who do, tested the rc releases.
I personally find it a wee bit of a paradox that Braille support is priority 1, when these devices cost more than the computer to buy.
I'm not suggesting this is elitist, but .....

On the Google front, their statements on this are a we bit vague, it says it works with their own chromevox etc, but it does not actually say that the facility won't work with a screenreader, implying perhaps that its built in on the web site side, and only needs screenreaders to implement it, which Suspect is what nvda is attempting to do.
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From: "Adriani Botez" <adriani.botez@gmail.com>
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Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille support in Google Sheets with NVDA 2018.1 change release notes


I am with you Brian, I have just got the question if diagrams in MS Word would properly work with NVDA. If not, support for diagrams would not have been integrated in final release. If someone doubts that a function dows not work, than the user should test it before final release.


Best
Adriani


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Gesendet: Freitag, 9. März 2018 17:07
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Braille support in Google Sheets with NVDA 2018.1 change
release notes

I find it quite funny that there are RC builds out there much advertised here,
and nobody spots problems, but due no doubt to Murphy's law, they all get
noticed on the release version. Both in this case on brailed support by the
looks of it.

You can't win really, can you? :-)

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From: "Davy Cuppens" <davycuppens@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille support in Google Sheets with NVDA 2018.1 change
release notes


So please delete the sentence in the release notes about early support while
users are reporting there is no support.
Otherwise users get wrong expectations.
Regards
Davy

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone

Op 9 mrt. 2018 om 09:56 heeft Sylvie Duchateau
<sduchateau@access42.net> het volgende geschreven:

Hello Quentin and all,
I have screen reader support enabled, braille support enabled in
Google docs.
Unfortunately, I still cannot find any option in the Google Sheets
settings, to enable Braille Support.
In their help section Google say:
"Turn on Braille support
1. Open a Docs file on your computer:
•Docs, Slides, or Drawings: Open the file in Google Chrome, Firefox,
Safari, or Internet Explorer.
•Sheets: Braille support in Sheets is available on Chrome OS with the
ChromeVox screen reader. Please make sure that you have the latest
versions of Chrome OS and ChromeVox. We’re working to add support for
other platforms and screen readers.
2. If you haven't already turned on screen reader support for the Docs
editors, press Ctrl + Alt + z (Windows) or ⌘ + Option + z (Mac).
3. In the Accessibility menu, select Settings.
4. Select Enable Braille support.
If you turn Braille support on in Docs, Sheets, Slides, or Drawings,
the setting applies whenever you sign in to any of these editors."
See:
https://support.google.com/docs/answer/6057417?co=GENIE.Platform%3DD
es
ktop&hl=en
On this page,
https://venturebeat.com/2018/01/09/google-adds-braille-support-to-shee
ts-magnifier-tool-to-slides-and-drawings/
they say:
"Braille displays can already be used to read and edit texts in Docs,
Slides, and Drawings. With the added support for Sheets, users will
now be able to read and edit cell contents, as well as navigate
between cells on a sheet. According to Google’s blog post, this will
only be available on Chrome OS with the ChromeVox screen reader, for
now. The company says it is working to add support for other platforms and
screen readers."
So I thought that with this announcement on what's new in NVDA, the
support would work, but it still does not here.
Thank you for any information you can find.
Best
Sylvie
Le 09/03/2018 à 06:16, Quentin Christensen a écrit :
Hi Sylvie,

I must admit I need to test this more myself, but reading:
https://support.google.com/docs/answer/6057417?co=GENIE.Platform%3DD
e
sktop&hl=en it indicates you need to enable screen reader support,
and then enable braille support as well in Google sheets itself. It
also gives a little info on using the routing keys on the display to
navigate.

Let me know whether that does or doesn't help!

Quentin.

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 3:22 AM, Sylvie Duchateau
<sduchateau@access42.net> wrote:
Hello Quentin and all,

Thanks for the good news on NVDA 2018.1.

While reading "what's new" in this version, I saw the following
statement:

"Early support for Google Sheets with Braille mode enabled. (#7935)"

What does it mean?
I could not get Braille to work in Google Sheets with this new version.
Thank you for your response.

Best

Sylvie
Le 08/03/2018 à 06:23, Quentin Christensen a écrit :
Hi everyone,

The first release of #NVDASR for 2018 is finally here. Links to
download and what's new in this release found at:

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2018-1-now-available-for-
downloa
d/

While downloading, please consider helping us to continue our work
by making a single donation or becoming a monthly donor at
http://nvaccess.org/donate

NVDA is empowering the blind across the world. Check out how in our
recent video: https://youtu.be/Ks7AwV_uxO0 The first release of
#NVDASR for 2018 is finally here. Links to download and what's new
in this release found at:

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2018-1-now-available-for-
downloa
d/

While downloading, please consider helping us to continue our work
by making a single donation or becoming a monthly donor at
http://nvaccess.org/donate

NVDA is empowering the blind across the world. Check out how in our
recent video: https://youtu.be/Ks7AwV_uxO0


--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess


--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

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Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess


Re: not seeing my newest message now

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It happens to me all the time then it sneaks in later on. this is unfortunately the way the email systems are nowadays. Its why often you see replies before the original posts and why people have to leave more than one reply.
I'm assuming it has to do with spam checking and the like.

It might have helped if you had mentioned what the message was though, as there is one here right before yours.
Brian

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Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 11:26 PM
Subject: [nvda] not seeing my newest message now


Hi, everyone,



I'm not seeing the newest message I wrote now. I wonder if there could be
something wrong with the list serve or something.



Rosemarie






Re: can't get the download button to work on this website

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I'm sorry. That was my mistake. I should have paid more attention to the original subject.

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Subject: Re: [nvda] can't get the download button to work on this website

Yes as I pointed out earlier, somebody hijacked the thread from another subject altogether. probably in error.
Brian

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From: "Governor staten" <govsta@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2018 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't get the download button to work on this website


We have lots of confusion going on here. The original post had nothing
to do with NVDA, and how to download it.



------------------------------------------------------------------------


On 3/8/2018 2:29 PM, Casey wrote:
hi I would like to down load this as well.

So how do you once you find the down load button get it to start down
loading?


On 3/8/2018 12:57 PM, Brice Mijares wrote:
I remember this happening in the past, I think the download link said
bullet before the link to download. I hit NVDA f-7 for the list of
links and found the download link, and hit enter and it worked.
Easier to go innto NVDA and check for updates.




Re: Didtation Bridge is now available for all

Sky Mundell
 

Hello. To answer your question, yes, you have to use a mike with dictation bridge.  Thanks, Sky.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of richard kurlander
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 9:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Didtation Bridge is now available for all

 

do you have to use a mike with dictation bridge when you are using a pc?At 02:07 PM 3/8/2018, you wrote:

I can't help you, express yoru interest, be stirn wiht them, call hr if you need to. The more of us that apply that will be good. I passed the tests with flying colors by the way. It was too easy. I hope this will work with what ever system they use.

Take care and be blessed.


On Mar 8, 2018, at 10:33 AM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@... > wrote:

Hello we have one in tucson

can you please keep me posted?

I am thinking about applying
please email me off list.
Hank

On 3/8/2018 10:32 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

They are using dragon and other softwares but dragon choaks on all of their systems when it comes to reading back   what was spoken. Basically  I need to hear as I talk what was spoken and I have 5 seconds to edit any istakes out  and send it to the deaf person. Look up captioncall.com I think I spelled that right. I am trying to contac their hr department for a follow up as I passed the tests but those are the issues they are runnig into. It's ben a month by the way since I passed the tests. I shoudl be in training by now, I think?

Take care


On Mar 8, 2018, at 6:27 AM, Pranav Lal <pranav.lal@...> wrote:

Sarah,
 
DictationBridge is released. What program do you need to use with speech-recognition?
 
Pranav


Re: Didtation Bridge is now available for all

richard kurlander <r.kurlander@...>
 

do you have to use a mike with dictation bridge when you are using a pc?At 02:07 PM 3/8/2018, you wrote:

I can't help you, express yoru interest, be stirn wiht them, call hr if you need to. The more of us that apply that will be good. I passed the tests with flying colors by the way. It was too easy. I hope this will work with what ever system they use.

Take care and be blessed.

On Mar 8, 2018, at 10:33 AM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@... > wrote:

Hello we have one in tucson

can you please keep me posted?

I am thinking about applying
please email me off list.
Hank

On 3/8/2018 10:32 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
They are using dragon and other softwares but dragon choaks on all of their systems when it comes to reading back   what was spoken. Basically  I need to hear as I talk what was spoken and I have 5 seconds to edit any istakes out  and send it to the deaf person. Look up captioncall.com I think I spelled that right. I am trying to contac their hr department for a follow up as I passed the tests but those are the issues they are runnig into. It's ben a month by the way since I passed the tests. I shoudl be in training by now, I think?

Take care

On Mar 8, 2018, at 6:27 AM, Pranav Lal <pranav.lal@...> wrote:

Sarah,
 
DictationBridge is released. What program do you need to use with speech-recognition?
 
Pranav


Re: Anti Virus Program

Sarah k Alawami
 

I am also tempted to just turn off defender as it also gives me a lot of faulse stuff. And if the user is careful they shoudl be fine.

Take care

On Mar 9, 2018, at 7:40 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

Well for me its not, to be honest its detecting so many things I'd prefur if I didn't have any antivirus at all because basically most of what it detects are false alarms.

I really want to keep that to a minimum.




On 10/03/2018 3:50 p.m., Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hello, Nimer,

 
I use windows defender and it works well for me.

 
Rosemarie

 
 
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 8:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program

 
Hello,

 
Many tech experts now suggest that anti-virus programs should not be used, that Windows Security is good enough for most users, and that using other security software actually could leave your machine more vulnerable to attack. this is for home users, not for enterprise users, but for the average home user, the built-in security software is good enough, along with a router firewall and the one built into the OS, and proper surfing habbits such as not clicking on links and opening attachments in e-mails you do not know and trust. I don't know if I am ready to adopt this advice yet, but this is what many tech experts are recommending now.

 
As for me, I recommend Sophos. Sophos is focused on the enterprise market, and they have a very robust home version at this time that is nearly fully accessible from their web interface. it is a program i recommend highly. It has also been rated pretty highly by independent lab testing methodologies.

 
Thanks.

 
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:18 AM Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...<mailto:blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> > wrote:

Actually, I was being sarcastic about the only way to stop getting infected.
A never used machine is very safe indeed.

Brian

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Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program


Turn the machine off?  When?  When you go to a web site with hacked
advertising and your machine has already been infected with no indication of
it to the user?  Or if you absentmindedly do something you shouldn't do?
I'm not infallible.  Once, I wasn't thinking about what I was doing and I
followed a link that came in a message that looked as though it came from
someone I knew.  I just wasn't thinking at the moment.  Avast wouldn't let
me connect with the web site.  What would have happened if I wasn't running
an antivirus program?  Who knows?  I don't recall ever doing something like
that before or since.  But I just wasn't thinking one time in a lot of years
of computer use.

You have to take actions to be infected in many cases, but there are cases,
and their number is growing, where you don't.  You can greatly reduce the
danger by using a JAVA script blocker or by turning scripts off except on
sites where they are necessary.  But just saying turn the computer off only
works in cases where malware wants you to click something like a yes or ok
button or no button on a web page.  It doesn't matter what button you click.
Clicking any button will cause the malware to install.  So, in those cases,
just shutting down the computer will stop you from being infected. But if
it were that easy not to become infected, these antimalware companies
wouldn't exist.

Gene
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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program


Yes take the cheap route, just tirm he computer off and leave it off, very
safe and costs nothing.. grin
 I do feel we are losing our way. Most of the exploits are aimed at people
not exploits.
 Obviously they will need to patch holes, but expecting anti virus systems
to protect from everything is really impossible in my view. The more they
try to find everything the more they slow the computer down and trigger
false positives, and of course since everyone except Microsoft seem to have
designed their front ends inaccessibly, there is no hope for us.
 That is my reading of the current situation. I'll let you know when my
completely unprotected  amd chipped xp machines get clobbered. Probably not
for a long while unless I'm very unlucky.
 Brian

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Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 4:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program


You know this has popped up so much and I have decided that there just
isn't anymore.

Avast could have been a great program.

Nod32 was accessible up to a point, it aint now, vipre maybe, panda
antivirus maybe.

Sophos.

To be honest the fact so many lagit programs are being mistargeted,
forcing users like me to have to basically leave vast parts of the os open
to attack is a problem.

Some users have gone so far to exclude their drives from scanning and that
does in deed fix things.

On my new system I am just going to have to exclude my backup drive from
scanning because I just don't trust what windows defender will do.

As for the rest, I will have to restructure my drive, and exclude all
audio games, all portable apps, all apps, all user installed programs the
only things I will leave with programs in it are windows and ms programs
and my downloads folder and maybe make a folder for unprocessed files and
exclude that.

Basically to use my system securely I will have to exclude pritty much
half my c drive in order to not run into problems.

I may as well not use antivirus alltogether, but I have no choice, there
are just to many false positives to handle.




On 9/03/2018 3:14 p.m., Andrea Sherry wrote:
tried free version of AVG. Setup was difficult and I was not able to
control anything the program did after installation.

Is there anything better I could try?

Andrea















Re: Anti Virus Program

 

Well for me its not, to be honest its detecting so many things I'd prefur if I didn't have any antivirus at all because basically most of what it detects are false alarms.

I really want to keep that to a minimum.

On 10/03/2018 3:50 p.m., Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hello, Nimer,


I use windows defender and it works well for me.


Rosemarie




From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 8:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program


Hello,


Many tech experts now suggest that anti-virus programs should not be used, that Windows Security is good enough for most users, and that using other security software actually could leave your machine more vulnerable to attack. this is for home users, not for enterprise users, but for the average home user, the built-in security software is good enough, along with a router firewall and the one built into the OS, and proper surfing habbits such as not clicking on links and opening attachments in e-mails you do not know and trust. I don't know if I am ready to adopt this advice yet, but this is what many tech experts are recommending now.


As for me, I recommend Sophos. Sophos is focused on the enterprise market, and they have a very robust home version at this time that is nearly fully accessible from their web interface. it is a program i recommend highly. It has also been rated pretty highly by independent lab testing methodologies.


Thanks.


On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:18 AM Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io <mailto:blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> > wrote:

Actually, I was being sarcastic about the only way to stop getting infected.
A never used machine is very safe indeed.

Brian

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Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program


Turn the machine off? When? When you go to a web site with hacked
advertising and your machine has already been infected with no indication of
it to the user? Or if you absentmindedly do something you shouldn't do?
I'm not infallible. Once, I wasn't thinking about what I was doing and I
followed a link that came in a message that looked as though it came from
someone I knew. I just wasn't thinking at the moment. Avast wouldn't let
me connect with the web site. What would have happened if I wasn't running
an antivirus program? Who knows? I don't recall ever doing something like
that before or since. But I just wasn't thinking one time in a lot of years
of computer use.

You have to take actions to be infected in many cases, but there are cases,
and their number is growing, where you don't. You can greatly reduce the
danger by using a JAVA script blocker or by turning scripts off except on
sites where they are necessary. But just saying turn the computer off only
works in cases where malware wants you to click something like a yes or ok
button or no button on a web page. It doesn't matter what button you click.
Clicking any button will cause the malware to install. So, in those cases,
just shutting down the computer will stop you from being infected. But if
it were that easy not to become infected, these antimalware companies
wouldn't exist.

Gene
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Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 4:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program


Yes take the cheap route, just tirm he computer off and leave it off, very
safe and costs nothing.. grin
I do feel we are losing our way. Most of the exploits are aimed at people
not exploits.
Obviously they will need to patch holes, but expecting anti virus systems
to protect from everything is really impossible in my view. The more they
try to find everything the more they slow the computer down and trigger
false positives, and of course since everyone except Microsoft seem to have
designed their front ends inaccessibly, there is no hope for us.
That is my reading of the current situation. I'll let you know when my
completely unprotected amd chipped xp machines get clobbered. Probably not
for a long while unless I'm very unlucky.
Brian

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From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com <mailto:sm.everiss@gmail.com> >
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 4:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program


You know this has popped up so much and I have decided that there just
isn't anymore.

Avast could have been a great program.

Nod32 was accessible up to a point, it aint now, vipre maybe, panda
antivirus maybe.

Sophos.

To be honest the fact so many lagit programs are being mistargeted,
forcing users like me to have to basically leave vast parts of the os open
to attack is a problem.

Some users have gone so far to exclude their drives from scanning and that
does in deed fix things.

On my new system I am just going to have to exclude my backup drive from
scanning because I just don't trust what windows defender will do.

As for the rest, I will have to restructure my drive, and exclude all
audio games, all portable apps, all apps, all user installed programs the
only things I will leave with programs in it are windows and ms programs
and my downloads folder and maybe make a folder for unprocessed files and
exclude that.

Basically to use my system securely I will have to exclude pritty much
half my c drive in order to not run into problems.

I may as well not use antivirus alltogether, but I have no choice, there
are just to many false positives to handle.




On 9/03/2018 3:14 p.m., Andrea Sherry wrote:
tried free version of AVG. Setup was difficult and I was not able to
control anything the program did after installation.

Is there anything better I could try?

Andrea







Re: link for the older version of NVDA

 

hi antony.
thanks for your clarification.
but 2013 and 2014 are not available on nvaccess website.
they are on sourceforge and i realy dont know the reason.
the first version which is available on nvaccess websites, is nvda 2015.1

On 3/10/18, Antony Stone <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it> wrote:
Or, more generically, to download release number N (where N is between 1 and

4) from year YYYY (where YYYY is 2016, 2017, 2018 etc), the download link
is:

https://www.nvaccess.org/download/nvda/releases/YYYY.N/nvda_YYYY.N.exe

Simply substitute the year and release number you want into the above URL
and
you can download any version from 2013.1 onwards.

There might be a way of getting versions earlier than that, but I'm not
sure.


I hope that might help,


Antony.

On Saturday 10 March 2018 at 00:52:34, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

For the person who wanted an older version of NVDA the link is
https://www.nvaccess.org/download/

Look for the heading that says "download NVDA version 2017.3.

I hope this is what the person is looking for.

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Re: where can I get an older version of NVDA?

Ashley Coleman <amc05111@...>
 

Hello,

Here is the link for NVDA 17.4.

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nv-access-announces-availability-of-nvda-2017-4/

Remember to be mindful of how our messages come across to others.

 

Ashley

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 10:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] where can I get an older version of NVDA?

 

Its good practice and I’m sure Gene and Nimer would agree to read all list messages to see if someone responded to said question or questions. I know people have a life and can’t respond right away.

 

Lino Morales

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 9:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] where can I get an older version of NVDA?

 

Excuse me! I didn't know.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 4:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] where can I get an older version of NVDA?

 

Rose Marie that link was already posted earlier today so don’t reinvent the wheel as they say.

 

Lino Morales

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 6:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] where can I get an older version of NVDA?

 

I'll look for the link for that version of NVDA.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 10:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] where can I get an older version of NVDA?

 

Why do you want an older version? Just curious. If you still want it I hope someone can give the URL on the NV Access site assuming that 2017.4 is still up their.

 

Lino Morales

 

From: Chris Judd
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 12:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] where can I get an older version of NVDA?

 

Hi all,

 

Today, I accidently updated to the latest version of NVDA.  Is there a place I can go to download the version before this one?

Chris

 

 

 

 


Re: where can I get an older version of NVDA?

Lino Morales
 

Its good practice and I’m sure Gene and Nimer would agree to read all list messages to see if someone responded to said question or questions. I know people have a life and can’t respond right away.

 

Lino Morales

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 9:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] where can I get an older version of NVDA?

 

Excuse me! I didn't know.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 4:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] where can I get an older version of NVDA?

 

Rose Marie that link was already posted earlier today so don’t reinvent the wheel as they say.

 

Lino Morales

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 6:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] where can I get an older version of NVDA?

 

I'll look for the link for that version of NVDA.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 10:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] where can I get an older version of NVDA?

 

Why do you want an older version? Just curious. If you still want it I hope someone can give the URL on the NV Access site assuming that 2017.4 is still up their.

 

Lino Morales

 

From: Chris Judd
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 12:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] where can I get an older version of NVDA?

 

Hi all,

 

Today, I accidently updated to the latest version of NVDA.  Is there a place I can go to download the version before this one?

Chris

 

 

 

 


Re: Anti Virus Program

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hello, Nimer,

 

I use windows defender and it works well for me.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 8:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program

 

Hello,

 

Many tech experts now suggest that anti-virus programs should not be used, that Windows Security is good enough for most users, and that using other security software actually could leave your machine more vulnerable to attack. this is for home users, not for enterprise users, but for the average home user, the built-in security software is good enough, along with a router firewall and the one built into the OS, and proper surfing habbits such as not clicking on links and opening attachments in e-mails you do not know and trust. I don't know if I am ready to adopt this advice yet, but this is what many tech experts are recommending now.

 

As for me, I recommend Sophos. Sophos is focused on the enterprise market, and they have a very robust home version at this time that is nearly fully accessible from their web interface. it is a program i recommend highly. It has also been rated pretty highly by independent lab testing methodologies.

 

Thanks.

 

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:18 AM Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Actually, I was being sarcastic about the only way to stop getting infected.
A never used machine is very safe indeed.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program


Turn the machine off?  When?  When you go to a web site with hacked
advertising and your machine has already been infected with no indication of
it to the user?  Or if you absentmindedly do something you shouldn't do?
I'm not infallible.  Once, I wasn't thinking about what I was doing and I
followed a link that came in a message that looked as though it came from
someone I knew.  I just wasn't thinking at the moment.  Avast wouldn't let
me connect with the web site.  What would have happened if I wasn't running
an antivirus program?  Who knows?  I don't recall ever doing something like
that before or since.  But I just wasn't thinking one time in a lot of years
of computer use.

You have to take actions to be infected in many cases, but there are cases,
and their number is growing, where you don't.  You can greatly reduce the
danger by using a JAVA script blocker or by turning scripts off except on
sites where they are necessary.  But just saying turn the computer off only
works in cases where malware wants you to click something like a yes or ok
button or no button on a web page.  It doesn't matter what button you click.
Clicking any button will cause the malware to install.  So, in those cases,
just shutting down the computer will stop you from being infected.  But if
it were that easy not to become infected, these antimalware companies
wouldn't exist.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 4:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program


Yes take the cheap route, just tirm he computer off and leave it off, very
safe and costs nothing.. grin
 I do feel we are losing our way. Most of the exploits are aimed at people
not exploits.
 Obviously they will need to patch holes, but expecting anti virus systems
to protect from everything is really impossible in my view. The more they
try to find everything the more they slow the computer down and trigger
false positives, and of course since everyone except Microsoft seem to have
designed their front ends inaccessibly, there is no hope for us.
 That is my reading of the current situation. I'll let you know when my
completely unprotected  amd chipped xp machines get clobbered. Probably not
for a long while unless I'm very unlucky.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 4:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program


> You know this has popped up so much and I have decided that there just
> isn't anymore.
>
> Avast could have been a great program.
>
> Nod32 was accessible up to a point, it aint now, vipre maybe, panda
> antivirus maybe.
>
> Sophos.
>
> To be honest the fact so many lagit programs are being mistargeted,
> forcing users like me to have to basically leave vast parts of the os open
> to attack is a problem.
>
> Some users have gone so far to exclude their drives from scanning and that
> does in deed fix things.
>
> On my new system I am just going to have to exclude my backup drive from
> scanning because I just don't trust what windows defender will do.
>
> As for the rest, I will have to restructure my drive, and exclude all
> audio games, all portable apps, all apps, all user installed programs the
> only things I will leave with programs in it are windows and ms programs
> and my downloads folder and maybe make a folder for unprocessed files and
> exclude that.
>
> Basically to use my system securely I will have to exclude pritty much
> half my c drive in order to not run into problems.
>
> I may as well not use antivirus alltogether, but I have no choice, there
> are just to many false positives to handle.
>
>
>
>
> On 9/03/2018 3:14 p.m., Andrea Sherry wrote:
>> tried free version of AVG. Setup was difficult and I was not able to
>> control anything the program did after installation.
>>
>> Is there anything better I could try?
>>
>> Andrea
>>
>
>
>
>






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Re: where can I get an older version of NVDA?

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Excuse me! I didn't know.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 4:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] where can I get an older version of NVDA?

 

Rose Marie that link was already posted earlier today so don’t reinvent the wheel as they say.

 

Lino Morales

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 6:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] where can I get an older version of NVDA?

 

I'll look for the link for that version of NVDA.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 10:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] where can I get an older version of NVDA?

 

Why do you want an older version? Just curious. If you still want it I hope someone can give the URL on the NV Access site assuming that 2017.4 is still up their.

 

Lino Morales

 

From: Chris Judd
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 12:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] where can I get an older version of NVDA?

 

Hi all,

 

Today, I accidently updated to the latest version of NVDA.  Is there a place I can go to download the version before this one?

Chris

 

 

 


Re: not seeing my newest message now

Gene
 

Just because you don't see one message doesn't mean anything.  Every now and then, messages get lost from anywhere to anywhere. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 5:26 PM
Subject: [nvda] not seeing my newest message now

Hi, everyone,

 

I'm not seeing the newest message I wrote now. I wonder if there could be something wrong with the list serve or something.

 

Rosemarie

 

 


Re: Anti Virus Program

Gene
 

I would suggest you read something about the growing problem of even the most reputable sites having hacked malicious advertising at times.  If it was just a question of the user being careful, then careful users wouldn't need antimalware programs.  It just isn't that simple.
 
Here is one article on the subject. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program

I agree. It's up to the user to be careful about what sites he or she goes on.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 3:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program

To be honest in my view while security software is there to protect the user from someone or something getting in,

The software can't protect the user from the user itself.
So if the user is stupid, the software can't really do much about that.
If the user messes up the same.
If the user hangs round dodgy places it may yell at them but hmmm.
Now for that to some extent there are security devices that will intercept things from the user for extra home network protection but nothing is full proof.
With the false ararms all over the place we can assume a lot of users are simply just dumb and thas gotten worse with the fact our oses are so easy to learnthat if they need someone serious to handle then there is a problem.
Worse it can lul those serius guys into thinking things are fine even if like me you have needed to fiddle with the guts of an os its just not like it used to be.

On 10/03/2018 5:47 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
> I think the main issue here is that every anti virus solution lulls
> the user into thinking, I don't care, the anti virus will protect me,
> but it wont as all of them are reactive. they cannot protect you from
> something unknown unless it uses obvious code to do it and it is this
> last fact, ie they look for common hacks that causes all the false
> positives, particularly on access software.
> I am really surprised at Mozilla falling for this one, by attempting
> to sandbox almost all of the inner workings of Firefox and having to
> re invent the wheel for access software. This in my view simply
> stimulates people to hack the code, or use access software as the
> vector, but then that would only infect a very small number of machines.
> Most malware needs to be able to compromise your machine unknown to
> you so you can pass it on, and also not let you see it so they have
> time to exploit the control or snooping they have.
> If you presume you have very little protection you will I hope not be
> so cavalier about what sites you go to in case they are infected. Its
> nearly always the user who is the vector. We are entering a time where
> most of the good exploits are known and patched, so the user is the
> only part of a system you cannot install anti virus on!
>
> Sorry but that is my view. All those people I have seen who have got a
> mangled unusable system have done it to themselves, maybe not
> knowingly, but we do need to educate people  that if you store your
> life online, its just as bad to go to dodgy neighbourhoods virtually
> on your machine as it is to walk into a no go area of a city at night
> and wonder why some moped riding dork nicks your phone.
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nimer Jaber"
> <nimerjaber1@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 4:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program
>
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Many tech experts now suggest that anti-virus programs should not be
>> used, that Windows Security is good enough for most users, and that
>> using other security software actually could leave your machine more
>> vulnerable to attack. this is for home users, not for enterprise
>> users, but for the average home user, the built-in security software
>> is good enough, along with a router firewall and the one built into
>> the OS, and proper surfing habbits such as not clicking on links and
>> opening attachments in e-mails you do not know and trust. I don't
>> know if I am ready to adopt this advice yet, but this is what many
>> tech experts are recommending now.
>>
>> As for me, I recommend Sophos. Sophos is focused on the enterprise
>> market, and they have a very robust home version at this time that is
>> nearly fully accessible from their web interface. it is a program i
>> recommend highly. It has also been rated pretty highly by independent
>> lab testing methodologies.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:18 AM Brian's Mail list account via
>> Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:
>>
>>> Actually, I was being sarcastic about the only way to stop getting
>>> infected.
>>> A never used machine is very safe indeed.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> bglists@...
>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>> Please address personal email to:-
>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>> in the display name field.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 12:48 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program
>>>
>>>
>>> Turn the machine off?  When?  When you go to a web site with hacked
>>> advertising and your machine has already been infected with no
>>> indication of it to the user?  Or if you absentmindedly do something
>>> you shouldn't do?
>>> I'm not infallible.  Once, I wasn't thinking about what I was doing
>>> and I followed a link that came in a message that looked as though
>>> it came from someone I knew.  I just wasn't thinking at the moment.
>>> Avast wouldn't let me connect with the web site.  What would have
>>> happened if I wasn't running an antivirus program?  Who knows?  I
>>> don't recall ever doing something like that before or since.  But I
>>> just wasn't thinking one time in a lot of years of computer use.
>>>
>>> You have to take actions to be infected in many cases, but there are
>>> cases, and their number is growing, where you don't.  You can
>>> greatly reduce the danger by using a JAVA script blocker or by
>>> turning scripts off except on sites where they are necessary.  But
>>> just saying turn the computer off only works in cases where malware
>>> wants you to click something like a yes or ok button or no button on
>>> a web page.  It doesn't matter what button you click.
>>> Clicking any button will cause the malware to install.  So, in those
>>> cases, just shutting down the computer will stop you from being
>>> infected.
>>> But if
>>> it were that easy not to become infected, these antimalware
>>> companies wouldn't exist.
>>>
>>> Gene
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
>>> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 4:05 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes take the cheap route, just tirm he computer off and leave it
>>> off, very safe and costs nothing.. grin
>>>  I do feel we are losing our way. Most of the exploits are aimed at
>>> people not exploits.
>>>  Obviously they will need to patch holes, but expecting anti virus
>>> systems to protect from everything is really impossible in my view.
>>> The more they try to find everything the more they slow the computer
>>> down and trigger false positives, and of course since everyone
>>> except Microsoft seem to have designed their front ends
>>> inaccessibly, there is no hope for us.
>>>  That is my reading of the current situation. I'll let you know when
>>> my completely unprotected  amd chipped xp machines get clobbered.
>>> Probably not
>>> for a long while unless I'm very unlucky.
>>>  Brian
>>>
>>> bglists@...
>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>> Please address personal email to:-
>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>> in the display name field.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 4:20 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus Program
>>>
>>>
>>> > You know this has popped up so much and I have decided that there
>>> just
>>> > isn't anymore.
>>> >
>>> > Avast could have been a great program.
>>> >
>>> > Nod32 was accessible up to a point, it aint now, vipre maybe,
>>> > panda antivirus maybe.
>>> >
>>> > Sophos.
>>> >
>>> > To be honest the fact so many lagit programs are being
>>> > mistargeted, forcing users like me to have to basically leave vast
>>> > parts of the os
>>> open
>>> > to attack is a problem.
>>> >
>>> > Some users have gone so far to exclude their drives from scanning
>>> > and
>>> that
>>> > does in deed fix things.
>>> >
>>> > On my new system I am just going to have to exclude my backup
>>> drive > from
>>> > scanning because I just don't trust what windows defender will do.
>>> >
>>> > As for the rest, I will have to restructure my drive, and exclude
>>> > all audio games, all portable apps, all apps, all user installed
>>> programs > the
>>> > only things I will leave with programs in it are windows and ms >
>>> programs
>>> > and my downloads folder and maybe make a folder for unprocessed
>>> files > and
>>> > exclude that.
>>> >
>>> > Basically to use my system securely I will have to exclude pritty
>>> much
>>> > half my c drive in order to not run into problems.
>>> >
>>> > I may as well not use antivirus alltogether, but I have no choice,
>>> > there are just to many false positives to handle.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 9/03/2018 3:14 p.m., Andrea Sherry wrote:
>>> >> tried free version of AVG. Setup was difficult and I was not able to
>>> >> control anything the program did after installation.
>>> >>
>>> >> Is there anything better I could try?
>>> >>
>>> >> Andrea
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>> Cordially,
>>
>> Nimer Jaber
>>
>> My mission is to bring love and peace to everyone around me with all
>> tools
>> available to me.
>> My core values are integrity, innovation, loyalty, excellence, and 100%
>> personal responsibility.
>>
>> The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
>> addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
>> please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
>> correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents
>> by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) may result in civil or
>> criminal charges. I have checked this email and all corresponding
>> attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is
>> up to you. Thanks.
>>
>> Registered Linux User 529141.
>> http://counter.li.org/
>>
>> To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP
>> and above, please click here:
>> http://www.nvda-project.org
>>
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Re: Email clients for windows 7 32 bits, anny recommendation?

Gene
 

You already said that GMail works with Thunderbird on one computer.  You don't have to do anything in your account.  Just put the identical parameters and information in the thunderbird on your other computer. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email clients for windows 7 32 bits, anny recommendation?

Hi all.

First, thanks for all your responces.

What actually happens with my gmail account and thunderbird in my 32 bit machine, is that I can not even sign in to my account. When I compleet the whole proces of configuring my account, it redirect me to the gmail page where I should sign in and authorise thunderbird as my Email client, but when I heat enter in the website where it says continue button, nothing happens. The website says something like: give your gmail credentials and sign in to your gmail account to authorise thunderbird.

On the other hand, when I read my gmail imbox from my iPhone I get a message that says something like: revew this sign in that was locked for your own safety. So, what I asume is that gMaile is not letting thunderbird to acces my account, don't know why, because as I sayd, in my windows 7 64 machine is still possible.

What are your suggestions?

Thanks in advance.


Fernando Apan.


El 09/03/2018 a las 03:13 p.m., Gene escribió:

You can find the version with alt h, then type a.  If the version automatically updates, it is, presumably the latest one.  If you don't have it set to automatically update, then it could be an old version. 
 
But I don't know why the program doesn't connect.  What happens when you try to send and receive messages?  Do you get error messages?  What do they say?  If the program works on one machine, it should work on the other machine.  there may be something wrong with your installation or there may be some other problem.  You could try other programs but it might first be best to try to see if we can solve the problems you are having with this program.  I'm not sure how to go about that.  Those with the program may have suggestions.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email clients for windows 7 32 bits, anny recommendation?

Hello Gene! Sincerely, I don't remember what version is. I haven't used this client for a long time.


Re: where can I get an older version of NVDA?

Lino Morales
 

Rose Marie that link was already posted earlier today so don’t reinvent the wheel as they say.

 

Lino Morales

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 6:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] where can I get an older version of NVDA?

 

I'll look for the link for that version of NVDA.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 10:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] where can I get an older version of NVDA?

 

Why do you want an older version? Just curious. If you still want it I hope someone can give the URL on the NV Access site assuming that 2017.4 is still up their.

 

Lino Morales

 

From: Chris Judd
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 12:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] where can I get an older version of NVDA?

 

Hi all,

 

Today, I accidently updated to the latest version of NVDA.  Is there a place I can go to download the version before this one?

Chris

 

 

 


Re: Alternatives to wordpress.com?

Lino Morales
 

If you are asking a general question about blogging software this ain’t the place. You should ask if any work with NVDA.

 

Lino Morales

 

From: Robert Kingett
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 6:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Alternatives to wordpress.com?

 

I know about Dreamwidth and how accessible it is. Very, in fact, but I was wondering what other options do I have with web hosts that offer free options? Wordpress.com is fantastic but I want to explore a little.

I'm not looking to host my own server or wordpress.org install. I;m not looking to buy a domain or to maintain updates and everything myself. That's why I use wordpress.com instead of wordpress.org but Are there accessible versions of weebly?

Freewebs is an option, but I hosted a site years ago on it back when I had some vision. Has it gotten better or worse?

Weebly, Wix, and otherwise were very captivating to me. None of them are fully accessible. They are littered with unlabeled forms and buttons and frames that, for some reason, NVDA can't see. Squarespace is bad too!

So if anyone has any suggestions, reply! Or is wordpress.com the best option for now?

I never looked into droopal because I don't have my own domain.

If I ever wanted to look at a domain host though, any of you have any host suggestions?

 


Re: link for the older version of NVDA

Antony Stone
 

Or, more generically, to download release number N (where N is between 1 and
4) from year YYYY (where YYYY is 2016, 2017, 2018 etc), the download link is:

https://www.nvaccess.org/download/nvda/releases/YYYY.N/nvda_YYYY.N.exe

Simply substitute the year and release number you want into the above URL and
you can download any version from 2013.1 onwards.

There might be a way of getting versions earlier than that, but I'm not sure.


I hope that might help,


Antony.

On Saturday 10 March 2018 at 00:52:34, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

For the person who wanted an older version of NVDA the link is
https://www.nvaccess.org/download/

Look for the heading that says "download NVDA version 2017.3.

I hope this is what the person is looking for.

Rosemarie
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