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Re: Master snapshot is only 540k

ChrisLeo
 

Hi,

I tried to get the last master snapshot yesterday and today, but the download still failed from Rome Italy.

Thanks.

Chris.

Quentin Christensen, 20/02/2018 00:58:

Hi everyone,

Since this problem seemed to happen to some users and not others (and some
intermittently), our best guess is that the file gets distributed across
several servers to make it a faster download for people in different parts
of the world, and one of these copies may have got corrupt during copying.

In any case, Mick has pushed an update this morning which is live now and
certainly at least for me, seems to download ok:

Version 14868,48743675 Mon Feb 19 23:22:15 2018

I expect the same problem will remain for anyone trying to download the
previous master build, but if you have problems with this new one, please
let us know.

Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 9:18 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <
bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

OK you are all not going mad.

C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Local\Temp\4KBLiS3A.exe.part could not be saved,
because the source file could not be read. Try again later, or contact the
server administrator. C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Local\Temp\4KBLiS3A.exe.part
could not be saved, because the source file
It looks to me like sometimes the file name is being messed up somewhere
along the line as the actual address I see it looking at is.
https://ci.appveyor.com/api/buildjobs/oqsba9xk3349p6v7/artif
acts/output/nvda_snapshot_master-14865,769e09f1.exe

Its not doing it every time though, and indeed not even often, but
sometimes.
Can anyone comment?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@gmail.com>
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Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 10:07 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Master snapshot is only 540k


I wonder failing all of that if there is a keep alive setting in WGet
where it will just keep trying and resuming until the download is gotten,
or you can try it from a remote box via ssh somewhere and then download
it from there later.

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That sounds like packet loss to me. Do you know the address of the server
its getting it from?
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Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Master snapshot is only 540k


Hi Brian


I just tried getting the snapshot with sea monkey and doing it manually
and i get the following message below.


C:\Users\hurri\AppData\Local\Temp\1yjDH9cM.exe.part could not be saved,
because the source file could not be read.

Try again later, or contact the server administrator.

Even if it does start downloading it dies shortly after.


It seems to do it in all the browsers not download but other sites will
let me download stuff.


It is weird how some can get it and not others.


so am guessing now do i contact nvaccess since it is there server?


Gene nz


On 2/19/2018 10:54 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
So downloading files like podcasts etc elsewhere is no issue, or maybe
programs?
If not then its a routing issue to the servers from your location by the
sounds of it, but its very odd. Anyone else you know in your area who can
also try it? Might be good to see if its your end or in fact a widespread
issue.
I guess you could try some pings to the server address and see if the
round trip time or packet loss is unacceptable.
Brian

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Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 11:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Master snapshot is only 540k


Hi Gene


No problems with the internet or going to the snapshots page etc it is
say when you go to either update the master snapshot through the help
section it goes up to the server and then you press the enter key on the
save one to download it it is just not downloading from there server that
way and even if you go to the main page where the snapshots are and click
on the file to download it you still get the same result. Some of the file
might come down maybe 400 k or so some times more but never the whole
program.


The anti virus is not stopping it either. I have also tried different
browsers still the same result.


It seems to be wanting me to retry the download all the time so is not
downloading from the snapshots page but no problems any where else for
downloading.


Gene nz

On 2/19/2018 11:39 AM, Gene wrote:
Also, does the page take noticeably longer to load when you go to the
download page?

Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Master snapshot is only 540k

I doubt it. There may some problem in your area or in your part of the
country that is interfering with Internet communications between there and
the server. there is no reason that different servers would be used.

Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Master snapshot is only 540k


Hi


Nar no matter which browser you use and which way it is just not coming
down. I even tried it on the next snapshot and the same results.


I also did it with either the save link thingy in mozilla fire fox and
what ever the others are called as well.


it is weird how you and some others can get it but not me. I used to be
able to get it every week apart from this weekend.


I am guessing maybe other servers are used for you guys?


Gene nz


On 2/19/2018 10:42 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I was actually able to dl it in about 2 seconds using safari. Did they
fix what ever was wrong this morning perhaps, I hope?

Take care all.

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<mailto:hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz><mailto:hur
rikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz>> wrote:

Hi brian

There is a problem in a couple of browsers that i have tried to get it
with. The download starts then dies some times at 400 k or so some times a
bit more. I have adsl and have even left it but still no go.

there is no anti virus blocking it either. I am guessing other should be
getting the same problem.. It is the version with 64 f on it it is the
latest one.


I wonder what is happening?

Gene nz

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I just downloaded it here using firefox 52 and its over 20 meg in size.

Did you perhaps get the old, this file is not one which is regualrly
downloaded error and then it aborts?
There is section in firefox to turn this warning off.
Brian

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Subject: [nvda] Master snapshot is only 540k


Hi guys


is the servers playing up? For the last couple of days i have been trying
to download a master snapshot and each time it comes down it is only about
540k. Is the server playing up? for when i go to click on it up comes a
security smart screen I think it is the windows one.


I am also wondering if things have changed like it is a stub then it gets
the main file? I am guessing not.


I usually like once a week to see what might of gone into it each week.


Has any one else had the same problems?


This was doing it from inside of the master snapshot under the help
section.


I have also tried it from the main page and still got the same results.


This was again on feb 18th and also tried on the 17th


Gene nz


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sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their
computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please
visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near
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are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy
of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which
locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near
you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/.
The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified
individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the
NVDA expert exam.


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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you
are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy
of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which
locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near
you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/.
The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified
individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the
NVDA expert exam.





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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you
are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy
of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which
locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near
you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/.
The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified
individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the
NVDA expert exam.










Re: accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:

 

hello.
i try it and share the result.
thanks so much for your sympathy and help and God bless you!

On 2/21/18, Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@elra-consulting.de> wrote:
Hello,
I fully understand your concerns about Adobe.
Following link points you to an open source PDF to Text converter, maybe
this one is from any help for you to read the converted PDF files. Hope it
can convert Farsi, give it a rtry.
http://www.colorpilot.com/extract-pdf-text.html

cheers,
Ralf

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Mittwoch, 21. Februar 2018 06:54
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:

the developers of adobe, dont answer us and support us.
i am from iran and my language is persian, so, i need supporting of my
native language.
for english, there is no problem.
because i just read religious books and save them as html very easy.
the only problem is for reading pdf books in arabic and persian language.

On 2/21/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
Well then, why not email the developers and ask them to support your
language, or just do the whole work in english or failing that, do
your work on another language you know even if it is not perfect.
Surely there are other ways, you are just failing to think outside the
box, and even I probably missed some ideas. But there are other ways
to skin a cat and get him to like it. Or, just use another browser or
pandoc to open and convert pdfs.

On Feb 20, 2018, at 7:54 PM, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:

but its a reality and because of sanctions against iran, adobe does
not support persian very well and i never use it.

On 2/20/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree, which is why I'm saying just use he software, you won't ir
at least should not get into trouble. And it would be less work for
you to convert everything into html anyway.

Take care

On Feb 20, 2018, at 11:08 AM, Pascal Lambert <rambeau68@gmail.com>
wrote:

Please refrain from making political or religious statements.
Otherwise,
this assistive technology forum will quickly turn into a forum for
polemics as I am sure there many who would disagree with you.
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
zahra
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 1:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:

adobe reader version 11 supports xp.
but due to sanctions against iran,
there support for persian is no Good and i dont use the software
that its producer said:
the iranian should not download and use our product in any way.
i think i should forget pdf and found a solution for my word and
html files.
since libreoffice and openoffice also are not very accessible, i
think that i should convert all of my files to html and find one html
editor!
do you know one html editor which is accessible?

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Yes but won't run on xp and I do not know if it does Persian
language.
You would need adobe reader of an earlier time.
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Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 2:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:


Adobereader dc is free.




On 20/02/2018 4:29 a.m., zahra wrote:
adobe acrobat does not support persian very well, moreover, its
not free and for the sanctions against iran and reading license
of adobe, i realy dont trust this company!

On 2/19/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I haven't tried those versions of Chrome, but why not ask if
such settings are available in Chrome? I don't know if they
are or not but they either may be or there may be another way
to do what you want in Chrome.
That's
true for Firefox as well. Also, I'm not sure what you want to do.
You appear to want to be able to save multimedia files without
them opening

in
Chrome or Firefox. As I said, there may be ways to do these
things you don't know about in both browsers even if there are
no settings. I can't discuss multimedia files in part because
I'm not sure just what kinds of files you are discussing and I
may not have tried to save those filetypes..
But in terms of files such as audio files like MP3s, in
Firefox, once the file starts to play in the browser, you can
save it by issuing the command control s, then using the save
as dialog that opens. I wouldn't be surprised if that is true in
Chrome as well.

Please explain what you want to do in detail so people can
address it.

You may want to live in the technological past indefinitely but
you can't unless you want to be increasingly unable to do
things you do now and limited in things you may want to do in
future.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessibility of other browsers for nvda
users:


i did not say that chrome is not accessible, reading web pages
and for example gmail, is completely accessible and the quick
navigation keys are like firefox.
but its not very accessible for my need in customization and
changing settings!
in firefox is about:config
which has thousands of options and i could easily set firefox
according to my desire, i searched google and found hidden
options in chrome.
but could not find anything that wished to find!
about automatic openning multimedia files, its not just happen
on my system, even this feature is on by default and by the
grace of God, i could find it in about:config if i could not
find this option for my firefox, i kept firefox 25 forever without
update!
because this problem happened since firefox 26 that does not
allow downloading multimedia files without changing settings in
about:config by the way, did you try chromium and slimjet which
i asked about them?

On 2/19/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
Please don't assume that because you can't do something, that
it can't

be
done and that, if you don't fully understand an unfamiliar
interface, that it is inaccessible or can't be worked with.
As far as updates are concerned, you can't avoid updates
because Chrome automatically updates.
But
that doesn't matter in your case. You use XP and Google
Chrome, the browser, hasn't been updated for XP for perhaps almost
a year.
In addition, the settings, or almost all of them, I haven't
checked every one, are accessible, or at least can be worked
with.
You have to do certain things to be able to work with some of
them such as manually turn off and on browse mode. The
program isn't as accessible as it should be but there is a
difference between accessibility and usability and a lot of
programs are very usable, even though not fully accessible.
Chrome is largely accessible and is very usable, though not
completely everything is. But it's usable enough so that
almost everything desired can be done except in the case of
add ons which may not be accessible, but that's the fault of the
add on designer.

I'm going into all this mainly because your message may, if
not discussed, mslead others into believing Chrome is not
usable and is not reasonably accessible. I don't particularly
like the interface but the program is reasonably accessible
and quite usable.

As far as playing audio files, Chrome does play audio. I
don't know if it plays what you are trying to play. I don't
know what you are having problems with but please don't state
things as though they are facts based on only your experience
with an unfamiliar program. It's perfectly alright to say, I
couldn't get it to do this or that. That doesn't mean it can't be
done.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 8:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:


hello every one.
as my language is persian
and did not find and there is no one offline program for
reading pdf files in persian language except chrome, i decided
to download chrome.
i realy did not like it,
its less accessible than firefox in using settings.
i could not change it to not update automaticly, dont play
audio and video files which i want to download.
openning files after download etc.
so, i wished to try other browsers based on chrome like
chromium and slimjet.
did any of you test these browsers?
are they supported screen readers?
do they the problems that i mentioned for those, i dont like
chrome or not.
i appreciate any of your help, sincerely pray for you and God
bless you all!

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salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
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we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of
salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org








--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of
salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org










--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org







--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Hello,
I fully understand your concerns about Adobe.
Following link points you to an open source PDF to Text converter, maybe this one is from any help for you to read the converted PDF files. Hope it can convert Farsi, give it a rtry.
http://www.colorpilot.com/extract-pdf-text.html

cheers,
Ralf

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Mittwoch, 21. Februar 2018 06:54
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:

the developers of adobe, dont answer us and support us.
i am from iran and my language is persian, so, i need supporting of my native language.
for english, there is no problem.
because i just read religious books and save them as html very easy.
the only problem is for reading pdf books in arabic and persian language.

On 2/21/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
Well then, why not email the developers and ask them to support your
language, or just do the whole work in english or failing that, do
your work on another language you know even if it is not perfect.
Surely there are other ways, you are just failing to think outside the
box, and even I probably missed some ideas. But there are other ways
to skin a cat and get him to like it. Or, just use another browser or
pandoc to open and convert pdfs.

On Feb 20, 2018, at 7:54 PM, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:

but its a reality and because of sanctions against iran, adobe does
not support persian very well and i never use it.

On 2/20/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree, which is why I'm saying just use he software, you won't ir
at least should not get into trouble. And it would be less work for
you to convert everything into html anyway.

Take care

On Feb 20, 2018, at 11:08 AM, Pascal Lambert <rambeau68@gmail.com>
wrote:

Please refrain from making political or religious statements.
Otherwise,
this assistive technology forum will quickly turn into a forum for
polemics as I am sure there many who would disagree with you.
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
zahra
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 1:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:

adobe reader version 11 supports xp.
but due to sanctions against iran,
there support for persian is no Good and i dont use the software
that its producer said:
the iranian should not download and use our product in any way.
i think i should forget pdf and found a solution for my word and
html files.
since libreoffice and openoffice also are not very accessible, i
think that i should convert all of my files to html and find one html editor!
do you know one html editor which is accessible?

On 2/20/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Yes but won't run on xp and I do not know if it does Persian language.
You would need adobe reader of an earlier time.
Brian

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From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 2:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:


Adobereader dc is free.




On 20/02/2018 4:29 a.m., zahra wrote:
adobe acrobat does not support persian very well, moreover, its
not free and for the sanctions against iran and reading license
of adobe, i realy dont trust this company!

On 2/19/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I haven't tried those versions of Chrome, but why not ask if
such settings are available in Chrome? I don't know if they
are or not but they either may be or there may be another way
to do what you want in Chrome.
That's
true for Firefox as well. Also, I'm not sure what you want to do.
You appear to want to be able to save multimedia files without
them opening

in
Chrome or Firefox. As I said, there may be ways to do these
things you don't know about in both browsers even if there are
no settings. I can't discuss multimedia files in part because
I'm not sure just what kinds of files you are discussing and I
may not have tried to save those filetypes..
But in terms of files such as audio files like MP3s, in
Firefox, once the file starts to play in the browser, you can
save it by issuing the command control s, then using the save
as dialog that opens. I wouldn't be surprised if that is true in Chrome as well.

Please explain what you want to do in detail so people can
address it.

You may want to live in the technological past indefinitely but
you can't unless you want to be increasingly unable to do
things you do now and limited in things you may want to do in future.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:


i did not say that chrome is not accessible, reading web pages
and for example gmail, is completely accessible and the quick
navigation keys are like firefox.
but its not very accessible for my need in customization and
changing settings!
in firefox is about:config
which has thousands of options and i could easily set firefox
according to my desire, i searched google and found hidden
options in chrome.
but could not find anything that wished to find!
about automatic openning multimedia files, its not just happen
on my system, even this feature is on by default and by the
grace of God, i could find it in about:config if i could not
find this option for my firefox, i kept firefox 25 forever without update!
because this problem happened since firefox 26 that does not
allow downloading multimedia files without changing settings in
about:config by the way, did you try chromium and slimjet which
i asked about them?

On 2/19/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
Please don't assume that because you can't do something, that
it can't

be
done and that, if you don't fully understand an unfamiliar
interface, that it is inaccessible or can't be worked with.
As far as updates are concerned, you can't avoid updates
because Chrome automatically updates.
But
that doesn't matter in your case. You use XP and Google
Chrome, the browser, hasn't been updated for XP for perhaps almost a year.
In addition, the settings, or almost all of them, I haven't
checked every one, are accessible, or at least can be worked with.
You have to do certain things to be able to work with some of
them such as manually turn off and on browse mode. The
program isn't as accessible as it should be but there is a
difference between accessibility and usability and a lot of
programs are very usable, even though not fully accessible.
Chrome is largely accessible and is very usable, though not
completely everything is. But it's usable enough so that
almost everything desired can be done except in the case of
add ons which may not be accessible, but that's the fault of the add on designer.

I'm going into all this mainly because your message may, if
not discussed, mslead others into believing Chrome is not
usable and is not reasonably accessible. I don't particularly
like the interface but the program is reasonably accessible
and quite usable.

As far as playing audio files, Chrome does play audio. I
don't know if it plays what you are trying to play. I don't
know what you are having problems with but please don't state
things as though they are facts based on only your experience
with an unfamiliar program. It's perfectly alright to say, I
couldn't get it to do this or that. That doesn't mean it can't be done.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 8:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:


hello every one.
as my language is persian
and did not find and there is no one offline program for
reading pdf files in persian language except chrome, i decided
to download chrome.
i realy did not like it,
its less accessible than firefox in using settings.
i could not change it to not update automaticly, dont play
audio and video files which i want to download.
openning files after download etc.
so, i wished to try other browsers based on chrome like
chromium and slimjet.
did any of you test these browsers?
are they supported screen readers?
do they the problems that i mentioned for those, i dont like
chrome or not.
i appreciate any of your help, sincerely pray for you and God
bless you all!

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of
salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of
salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org








--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org










--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages www.al-islam.org


Re: Recommendations of Win10 + NVDA Apps and Settings?

Gene
 

The quoted message asks the question.  If you didn't read the entire quoted message or just part of it, you won't see it.  It asks at the end, what other settings may improve Windows performance.
 
I don't use Windows 10.  But my impression is that, starting with Windows 7, very few settings need be changed.  I don't recall changing any settings other than show extensions and to use list or details for folders and files.  I don't know if screen-readers do this or if Windows is now smart enough to do this when it sees that a screen-reader is in use, but features that may cause problems such as using certain effects are automatically turned off when a screen-reader is used.  These sorts of things that blind people used to change have been automated and no longer need to be done.  and that has the further advantage that when a blind person unloads a screen-reader, sighted users can see Windows as they are accustomed to.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 12:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Recommendations of Win10 + NVDA Apps and Settings?

If there  actually was a question i can't see it, just a statement, unless cyber space ate the question or you hit send to early which I often do, about twice a day. Lol!  What questions  did you have re the windows  Settings? I do agree with you by the way, I didn't even change anything except for the settings under language and speech or what ever that setting was called under the windows I section

On Feb 20, 2018, at 8:52 PM, rowen brian <manchen0528@...> wrote:

      

I think the default setting of Win10 is very easy to use.

 

发件人: Kevin Chao
发送时间: 20171217 1:20
收件人: nvda@nvda.groups.io
主题: [nvda] Recommendations of Win10 + NVDA Apps and Settings?

 

It's been  a while since i've used Win10 and  NVDA, so I wanted to tap the wisdom of this group.

 

In addition to setting the default browser, Cortona hotword/keyboard shortcuts, setting folder views to detailed view, adjusting for performance, etc.

 

For the best and most accessible experience with Win10 and NVDA, what are the  must get apps and must configure settings?

Thanks!!


 



Re: Recommendations of Win10 + NVDA Apps and Settings?

Sarah k Alawami
 

If there  actually was a question i can't see it, just a statement, unless cyber space ate the question or you hit send to early which I often do, about twice a day. Lol!  What questions  did you have re the windows  Settings? I do agree with you by the way, I didn't even change anything except for the settings under language and speech or what ever that setting was called under the windows I section

On Feb 20, 2018, at 8:52 PM, rowen brian <manchen0528@...> wrote:

      

I think the default setting of Win10 is very easy to use.

 

发件人: Kevin Chao
发送时间: 20171217 1:20
收件人: nvda@nvda.groups.io
主题: [nvda] Recommendations of Win10 + NVDA Apps and Settings?

 

It's been  a while since i've used Win10 and  NVDA, so I wanted to tap the wisdom of this group.

 

In addition to setting the default browser, Cortona hotword/keyboard shortcuts, setting folder views to detailed view, adjusting for performance, etc.

 

For the best and most accessible experience with Win10 and NVDA, what are the  must get apps and must configure settings?

Thanks!!


 



Re: accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:

 

the developers of adobe, dont answer us and support us.
i am from iran and my language is persian,
so, i need supporting of my native language.
for english, there is no problem.
because i just read religious books and save them as html very easy.
the only problem is for reading pdf books in arabic and persian language.

On 2/21/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
Well then, why not email the developers and ask them to support your
language, or just do the whole work in english or failing that, do your
work on another language you know even if it is not perfect. Surely there
are other ways, you are just failing to think outside the box, and even I
probably missed some ideas. But there are other ways to skin a cat and get
him to like it. Or, just use another browser or pandoc to open and convert
pdfs.

On Feb 20, 2018, at 7:54 PM, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:

but its a reality and because of sanctions against iran,
adobe does not support persian very well and i never use it.

On 2/20/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree, which is why I'm saying just use he software, you won't ir at
least
should not get into trouble. And it would be less work for you to
convert
everything into html anyway.

Take care

On Feb 20, 2018, at 11:08 AM, Pascal Lambert <rambeau68@gmail.com>
wrote:

Please refrain from making political or religious statements.
Otherwise,
this assistive technology forum will quickly turn into a forum for
polemics as I am sure there many who would disagree with you.
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
zahra
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 1:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:

adobe reader version 11 supports xp.
but due to sanctions against iran,
there support for persian is no Good and i dont use the software that
its
producer said:
the iranian should not download and use our product in any way.
i think i should forget pdf and found a solution for my word and html
files.
since libreoffice and openoffice also are not very accessible, i think
that i should convert all of my files to html and find one html editor!
do you know one html editor which is accessible?

On 2/20/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Yes but won't run on xp and I do not know if it does Persian language.
You would need adobe reader of an earlier time.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 2:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:


Adobereader dc is free.




On 20/02/2018 4:29 a.m., zahra wrote:
adobe acrobat does not support persian very well, moreover, its not
free and for the sanctions against iran and reading license of
adobe, i realy dont trust this company!

On 2/19/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I haven't tried those versions of Chrome, but why not ask if such
settings are available in Chrome? I don't know if they are or not
but they either may be or there may be another way to do what you
want in Chrome.
That's
true for Firefox as well. Also, I'm not sure what you want to do.
You appear to want to be able to save multimedia files without them
opening

in
Chrome or Firefox. As I said, there may be ways to do these things
you don't know about in both browsers even if there are no
settings. I can't discuss multimedia files in part because I'm not
sure just what kinds of files you are discussing and I may not have
tried to save those filetypes..
But in terms of files such as audio files like MP3s, in Firefox,
once the file starts to play in the browser, you can save it by
issuing the command control s, then using the save as dialog that
opens. I wouldn't be surprised if that is true in Chrome as well.

Please explain what you want to do in detail so people can address
it.

You may want to live in the technological past indefinitely but you
can't unless you want to be increasingly unable to do things you do
now and limited in things you may want to do in future.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:


i did not say that chrome is not accessible, reading web pages and
for example gmail, is completely accessible and the quick
navigation keys are like firefox.
but its not very accessible for my need in customization and
changing settings!
in firefox is about:config
which has thousands of options and i could easily set firefox
according to my desire, i searched google and found hidden options
in chrome.
but could not find anything that wished to find!
about automatic openning multimedia files, its not just happen on
my system, even this feature is on by default and by the grace of
God, i could find it in about:config if i could not find this
option for my firefox, i kept firefox 25 forever without update!
because this problem happened since firefox 26 that does not allow
downloading multimedia files without changing settings in
about:config by the way, did you try chromium and slimjet which i
asked about them?

On 2/19/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
Please don't assume that because you can't do something, that it
can't

be
done and that, if you don't fully understand an unfamiliar
interface, that it is inaccessible or can't be worked with. As
far as updates are concerned, you can't avoid updates because
Chrome automatically updates.
But
that doesn't matter in your case. You use XP and Google Chrome,
the browser, hasn't been updated for XP for perhaps almost a year.
In addition, the settings, or almost all of them, I haven't
checked every one, are accessible, or at least can be worked with.
You have to do certain things to be able to work with some of them
such as manually turn off and on browse mode. The program isn't
as accessible as it should be but there is a difference between
accessibility and usability and a lot of programs are very usable,
even though not fully accessible. Chrome is largely accessible
and is very usable, though not completely everything is. But it's
usable enough so that almost everything desired can be done except
in the case of add ons which may not be accessible, but that's the
fault of the add on designer.

I'm going into all this mainly because your message may, if not
discussed, mslead others into believing Chrome is not usable and
is not reasonably accessible. I don't particularly like the
interface but the program is reasonably accessible and quite
usable.

As far as playing audio files, Chrome does play audio. I don't
know if it plays what you are trying to play. I don't know what
you are having problems with but please don't state things as
though they are facts based on only your experience with an
unfamiliar program. It's perfectly alright to say, I couldn't get
it to do this or that. That doesn't mean it can't be done.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 8:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:


hello every one.
as my language is persian
and did not find and there is no one offline program for reading
pdf files in persian language except chrome, i decided to download
chrome.
i realy did not like it,
its less accessible than firefox in using settings.
i could not change it to not update automaticly, dont play audio
and video files which i want to download.
openning files after download etc.
so, i wished to try other browsers based on chrome like chromium
and slimjet.
did any of you test these browsers?
are they supported screen readers?
do they the problems that i mentioned for those, i dont like
chrome or not.
i appreciate any of your help, sincerely pray for you and God
bless you all!

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of
salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of
salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org








--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org










--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org





--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org


Re: accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:

Sarah k Alawami
 

Well then, why not email the developers and ask them to support your language, or just do the whole work in english or failing that, do your work on another language you know even if it is not perfect. Surely there are other ways, you are just failing to think outside the box, and even I probably missed some ideas. But there are other ways to skin a cat and get him to like it. Or, just use another browser or pandoc to open and convert pdfs.

On Feb 20, 2018, at 7:54 PM, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:

but its a reality and because of sanctions against iran,
adobe does not support persian very well and i never use it.

On 2/20/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree, which is why I'm saying just use he software, you won't ir at least
should not get into trouble. And it would be less work for you to convert
everything into html anyway.

Take care

On Feb 20, 2018, at 11:08 AM, Pascal Lambert <rambeau68@gmail.com> wrote:

Please refrain from making political or religious statements. Otherwise,
this assistive technology forum will quickly turn into a forum for
polemics as I am sure there many who would disagree with you.
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 1:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:

adobe reader version 11 supports xp.
but due to sanctions against iran,
there support for persian is no Good and i dont use the software that its
producer said:
the iranian should not download and use our product in any way.
i think i should forget pdf and found a solution for my word and html
files.
since libreoffice and openoffice also are not very accessible, i think
that i should convert all of my files to html and find one html editor!
do you know one html editor which is accessible?

On 2/20/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Yes but won't run on xp and I do not know if it does Persian language.
You would need adobe reader of an earlier time.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 2:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:


Adobereader dc is free.




On 20/02/2018 4:29 a.m., zahra wrote:
adobe acrobat does not support persian very well, moreover, its not
free and for the sanctions against iran and reading license of
adobe, i realy dont trust this company!

On 2/19/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I haven't tried those versions of Chrome, but why not ask if such
settings are available in Chrome? I don't know if they are or not
but they either may be or there may be another way to do what you
want in Chrome.
That's
true for Firefox as well. Also, I'm not sure what you want to do.
You appear to want to be able to save multimedia files without them
opening

in
Chrome or Firefox. As I said, there may be ways to do these things
you don't know about in both browsers even if there are no
settings. I can't discuss multimedia files in part because I'm not
sure just what kinds of files you are discussing and I may not have
tried to save those filetypes..
But in terms of files such as audio files like MP3s, in Firefox,
once the file starts to play in the browser, you can save it by
issuing the command control s, then using the save as dialog that
opens. I wouldn't be surprised if that is true in Chrome as well.

Please explain what you want to do in detail so people can address
it.

You may want to live in the technological past indefinitely but you
can't unless you want to be increasingly unable to do things you do
now and limited in things you may want to do in future.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:


i did not say that chrome is not accessible, reading web pages and
for example gmail, is completely accessible and the quick
navigation keys are like firefox.
but its not very accessible for my need in customization and
changing settings!
in firefox is about:config
which has thousands of options and i could easily set firefox
according to my desire, i searched google and found hidden options
in chrome.
but could not find anything that wished to find!
about automatic openning multimedia files, its not just happen on
my system, even this feature is on by default and by the grace of
God, i could find it in about:config if i could not find this
option for my firefox, i kept firefox 25 forever without update!
because this problem happened since firefox 26 that does not allow
downloading multimedia files without changing settings in
about:config by the way, did you try chromium and slimjet which i
asked about them?

On 2/19/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
Please don't assume that because you can't do something, that it
can't

be
done and that, if you don't fully understand an unfamiliar
interface, that it is inaccessible or can't be worked with. As
far as updates are concerned, you can't avoid updates because
Chrome automatically updates.
But
that doesn't matter in your case. You use XP and Google Chrome,
the browser, hasn't been updated for XP for perhaps almost a year.
In addition, the settings, or almost all of them, I haven't
checked every one, are accessible, or at least can be worked with.
You have to do certain things to be able to work with some of them
such as manually turn off and on browse mode. The program isn't
as accessible as it should be but there is a difference between
accessibility and usability and a lot of programs are very usable,
even though not fully accessible. Chrome is largely accessible
and is very usable, though not completely everything is. But it's
usable enough so that almost everything desired can be done except
in the case of add ons which may not be accessible, but that's the
fault of the add on designer.

I'm going into all this mainly because your message may, if not
discussed, mslead others into believing Chrome is not usable and
is not reasonably accessible. I don't particularly like the
interface but the program is reasonably accessible and quite
usable.

As far as playing audio files, Chrome does play audio. I don't
know if it plays what you are trying to play. I don't know what
you are having problems with but please don't state things as
though they are facts based on only your experience with an
unfamiliar program. It's perfectly alright to say, I couldn't get
it to do this or that. That doesn't mean it can't be done.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 8:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:


hello every one.
as my language is persian
and did not find and there is no one offline program for reading
pdf files in persian language except chrome, i decided to download
chrome.
i realy did not like it,
its less accessible than firefox in using settings.
i could not change it to not update automaticly, dont play audio
and video files which i want to download.
openning files after download etc.
so, i wished to try other browsers based on chrome like chromium
and slimjet.
did any of you test these browsers?
are they supported screen readers?
do they the problems that i mentioned for those, i dont like
chrome or not.
i appreciate any of your help, sincerely pray for you and God
bless you all!

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of
salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of
salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org








--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org










--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org



答复: [nvda] Recommendations of Win10 + NVDA Apps and Settings?

rowen brian <manchen0528@...>
 

      

I think the default setting of Win10 is very easy to use.

 

发件人: Kevin Chao
发送时间: 20171217 1:20
收件人: nvda@nvda.groups.io
主题: [nvda] Recommendations of Win10 + NVDA Apps and Settings?

 

It's been  a while since i've used Win10 and  NVDA, so I wanted to tap the wisdom of this group.

 

In addition to setting the default browser, Cortona hotword/keyboard shortcuts, setting folder views to detailed view, adjusting for performance, etc.

 

For the best and most accessible experience with Win10 and NVDA, what are the  must get apps and must configure settings?

Thanks!!

 


Re: accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:

 

but its a reality and because of sanctions against iran,
adobe does not support persian very well and i never use it.

On 2/20/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree, which is why I'm saying just use he software, you won't ir at least
should not get into trouble. And it would be less work for you to convert
everything into html anyway.

Take care

On Feb 20, 2018, at 11:08 AM, Pascal Lambert <rambeau68@gmail.com> wrote:

Please refrain from making political or religious statements. Otherwise,
this assistive technology forum will quickly turn into a forum for
polemics as I am sure there many who would disagree with you.
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 1:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:

adobe reader version 11 supports xp.
but due to sanctions against iran,
there support for persian is no Good and i dont use the software that its
producer said:
the iranian should not download and use our product in any way.
i think i should forget pdf and found a solution for my word and html
files.
since libreoffice and openoffice also are not very accessible, i think
that i should convert all of my files to html and find one html editor!
do you know one html editor which is accessible?

On 2/20/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Yes but won't run on xp and I do not know if it does Persian language.
You would need adobe reader of an earlier time.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 2:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:


Adobereader dc is free.




On 20/02/2018 4:29 a.m., zahra wrote:
adobe acrobat does not support persian very well, moreover, its not
free and for the sanctions against iran and reading license of
adobe, i realy dont trust this company!

On 2/19/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I haven't tried those versions of Chrome, but why not ask if such
settings are available in Chrome? I don't know if they are or not
but they either may be or there may be another way to do what you
want in Chrome.
That's
true for Firefox as well. Also, I'm not sure what you want to do.
You appear to want to be able to save multimedia files without them
opening

in
Chrome or Firefox. As I said, there may be ways to do these things
you don't know about in both browsers even if there are no
settings. I can't discuss multimedia files in part because I'm not
sure just what kinds of files you are discussing and I may not have
tried to save those filetypes..
But in terms of files such as audio files like MP3s, in Firefox,
once the file starts to play in the browser, you can save it by
issuing the command control s, then using the save as dialog that
opens. I wouldn't be surprised if that is true in Chrome as well.

Please explain what you want to do in detail so people can address
it.

You may want to live in the technological past indefinitely but you
can't unless you want to be increasingly unable to do things you do
now and limited in things you may want to do in future.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:


i did not say that chrome is not accessible, reading web pages and
for example gmail, is completely accessible and the quick
navigation keys are like firefox.
but its not very accessible for my need in customization and
changing settings!
in firefox is about:config
which has thousands of options and i could easily set firefox
according to my desire, i searched google and found hidden options
in chrome.
but could not find anything that wished to find!
about automatic openning multimedia files, its not just happen on
my system, even this feature is on by default and by the grace of
God, i could find it in about:config if i could not find this
option for my firefox, i kept firefox 25 forever without update!
because this problem happened since firefox 26 that does not allow
downloading multimedia files without changing settings in
about:config by the way, did you try chromium and slimjet which i
asked about them?

On 2/19/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
Please don't assume that because you can't do something, that it
can't

be
done and that, if you don't fully understand an unfamiliar
interface, that it is inaccessible or can't be worked with. As
far as updates are concerned, you can't avoid updates because
Chrome automatically updates.
But
that doesn't matter in your case. You use XP and Google Chrome,
the browser, hasn't been updated for XP for perhaps almost a year.
In addition, the settings, or almost all of them, I haven't
checked every one, are accessible, or at least can be worked with.
You have to do certain things to be able to work with some of them
such as manually turn off and on browse mode. The program isn't
as accessible as it should be but there is a difference between
accessibility and usability and a lot of programs are very usable,
even though not fully accessible. Chrome is largely accessible
and is very usable, though not completely everything is. But it's
usable enough so that almost everything desired can be done except
in the case of add ons which may not be accessible, but that's the
fault of the add on designer.

I'm going into all this mainly because your message may, if not
discussed, mslead others into believing Chrome is not usable and
is not reasonably accessible. I don't particularly like the
interface but the program is reasonably accessible and quite
usable.

As far as playing audio files, Chrome does play audio. I don't
know if it plays what you are trying to play. I don't know what
you are having problems with but please don't state things as
though they are facts based on only your experience with an
unfamiliar program. It's perfectly alright to say, I couldn't get
it to do this or that. That doesn't mean it can't be done.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 8:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:


hello every one.
as my language is persian
and did not find and there is no one offline program for reading
pdf files in persian language except chrome, i decided to download
chrome.
i realy did not like it,
its less accessible than firefox in using settings.
i could not change it to not update automaticly, dont play audio
and video files which i want to download.
openning files after download etc.
so, i wished to try other browsers based on chrome like chromium
and slimjet.
did any of you test these browsers?
are they supported screen readers?
do they the problems that i mentioned for those, i dont like
chrome or not.
i appreciate any of your help, sincerely pray for you and God
bless you all!

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best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org


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we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of
salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org








--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org









--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org


Re: Vocalizer Expressive sapi voices

 

Hmmph.

Its another step, I guess what I would have to do then is when a feature update came about, or was on the cards, I'd have to defur the update so it didn't happen so I'd have enough time to deactivate the licence, then reactivate everything once I was updated.

I'd have thought that there could be a way to back it all up, then put it back without doodling about, but maybe there is a way to do all that.

On 21/02/2018 1:10 p.m., Chris Shook wrote:
If you are talking about the Eloquence and Vocalizer expressive for NVDA, the only time you would need to deactivate it is when you had a major update. FOr example, the creators updates like from Windows 10 1703 to Windows 10 version 1709. Otherwise, you don't have to deactivate it.
So long as the computer ID doesn't change, you'll be fine.



Re: issue NVDA VS office 2007.

Mário Navarro
 

Hi.
Yes you're right.
I only have problems because installation was corrupted.
some uninstallations left behind ...

and I had some serious issues to uninstall office 2007.
the solution was the microsoft fixed.
God, my NVDA does not read anything in the system menus. just saying unknown!
now it's all fixed!
no more office on my pc...
I'm going to try an open source solution.
thank you.
cheers.


Às 23:52 de 20/02/2018, Chris Mullins escreveu:

Hi
I use Office 2007 and have no issues with NVDA and the ribbon menus.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mário Navarro
Sent: 20 February 2018 22:29
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] issue NVDA VS office 2007.



Hello.

issue with NVDA in microsoft office 2007.
Yes I know this is an old version of office for windows 10, but I don't want to get the 2016.
or any other version ...
the only issue with NVDA is he not read menus.
with jaws everything works normal.
any of you that are using the 2007 having this issue with NVDA 2017.4?
Thanks!
Cheers.

--
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Re: Vocalizer Expressive sapi voices

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

If you are talking about the Eloquence and Vocalizer expressive for NVDA, the only time you would need to deactivate it is when you had a major update. FOr example, the creators updates like from Windows 10 1703 to Windows 10 version 1709. Otherwise, you don't have to deactivate it.
So long as the computer ID doesn't change, you'll be fine.


Re: issue NVDA VS office 2007.

Chris Mullins
 

Hi
I use Office 2007 and have no issues with NVDA and the ribbon menus.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mário Navarro
Sent: 20 February 2018 22:29
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] issue NVDA VS office 2007.



Hello.

issue with NVDA in microsoft office 2007.
Yes I know this is an old version of office for windows 10, but I don't want to get the 2016.
or any other version ...
the only issue with NVDA is he not read menus.
with jaws everything works normal.
any of you that are using the 2007 having this issue with NVDA 2017.4?
Thanks!
Cheers.

--
A acção pode nem sempre ser felicidade, mas não há felicidade sem acção...


Re: issue with google chrome 64 update.

 

I don't notice it except when transfering things to slower flash sticks or things.

I must say my new quad workstation has some slowdowns but the older i3 gen1 pc struggles and so does a server of the same breed.

On 21/02/2018 12:18 p.m., Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Mine has an intel and I suffer no slow downs. But my processor might be just taking on all the work and I can't feel it with 6 gigs to work with. Lol! At least, not yet.

On Feb 20, 2018, at 12:58 PM, Andy <wq6r@socal.rr.com> wrote:

Thank God my PC has an AMD processor.

Andy

----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com <mailto:sm.everiss@gmail.com>>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] issue with google chrome 64 update.


It causes slowness in just about everything, because intel screwed up majorly we won't get any piece till we get new chips so if you want to stay with intel I'd wait a couple years till they release another chip.

For me its one reason I am moving to the competition, amd while it to has to contend with some of this is more resilient to most of this.




On 21/02/2018 7:22 a.m., zahra wrote:
hi brian.
the issue for slowness in firefox 52.6 i think its because of spectre
bug fixed in this version.
i read in some websites that the patches for fixing spectre bug,
causes slowness in previous windows and older hardwares.

On 2/20/18, Mário Navarro <mario.gnv@gmail.com> wrote:
hi Quentin.

Yes I'm using Chrome Version 64.0.3282.167 (Official Build) (64-bit)
(Chrome says it's up to date), and with NVDA 2017.4 and I still can't
use these commands.
I have no idea what could be going on ...
no updates, only google chrome.
no Chrome extensions that might be playing funny

thank you friend.
cheers.


Às 23:30 de 19/02/2018, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
Which version of NVDA are you using?

I just tried with Chrome Version 64.0.3282.167 (Official Build)
(64-bit) (Chrome says it's up to date), and with NVDA 2017.4 and also
the latest Next snapshot and I can press alt+left and alt+right arrows
to move between pages. Possibly something else is interfering with
the keystroke?

If you've updated anything lately, maybe restart it, and even the
machine (you posted this three days ago so you possibly have since
then anyway). Otherwise, are you using any Chrome extensions that
might be playing funny?

Regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 11:53 PM, Mário Navarro <mario.gnv@gmail.com
<mailto:mario.gnv@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello.


for those who have updated google chrome for the 64 version.
When you enter a link on a website, and to go back with alt left
arrow chrome doesn't obey this command.
back and forward.
I don't know if it's a problem of NVDA cannot seem to update the
information, or if it is a bug of accessibility in chrome.
someone's come across this?
some tips?
thank you.
cheers.

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acção...







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Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
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Re: Vocalizer Expressive sapi voices

 

Hmmm I do wander what you do when windows 10 updates so often to the latest feature update, do you have to deactivate the product first?

But yeah I am seriously thinking of this to 60 bucks is better than the acapella ones and I have been using scansoft for ages and ages now.

On 21/02/2018 11:02 a.m., Chris Shook wrote:
Hi,
I recently found out CodeFactory is selling a package containing Vocalizer expressive sapi voices that will work with any screen reader.
I am using it right now and have tested it with both Narrator and NVDA. So far, everything is working great.
I especially like the User dictionary.
Unlike the Vocalizer expressive and eloquence for NVDA, from what I've read, you can supposedly transfer your license from your old computer to a new one if it updates.
If any of you are interested, ATGuys is the one selling the product. It's 115 dollars, but keep in mind, it does allow you to use the voices with any screen reader. When you compare it to the Sapi voices for Acapela that cost 299 dollars, it's a pretty good deal.
Chris



Re: a problem reading a pdf file

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

It sounds like perhaps the orientation is set wrong for that particular document. I have seen this happen before and I think switching manually to landscape fixed the problem. But it was years ago and I don't think I can replicate this, now. I had Adobe Reader then, an old version, and looking through various options in Acrobat quickly, now, I cannot figure out exactly how to do this, so I see through google that there are some threads about it. I don't know, if any case, if this really is the problem. But you could try experimenting with it....

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: February 20, 2018 6:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a problem reading a pdf file

I've seen this before and it drives me nuts. I have not tried this as of yet but what happens when you maximize the window? I just deal with it as I do very very little reading on my windows machine.

On Feb 20, 2018, at 1:18 PM, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@gmail.com> wrote:

hi,

I have this problem in nvda with this pdf, but have experienced it on other files. Nvda, for some wierd reason, startsspliting words into lines in parts of the document. For instance, the word the is split as follows.

th

e

This occurs with large paragraphs of text. However, when selecting those so called lines, and pasting into word, they read just fine. Also, spelling with the left and right arrow spell fine. How do I fix this?




Re: issue with google chrome 64 update.

Sarah k Alawami
 

Mine has an intel and I suffer no slow downs. But my processor might be just taking on all the work and I can't feel it with 6 gigs to work with. Lol! At least, not yet.

On Feb 20, 2018, at 12:58 PM, Andy <wq6r@...> wrote:

Thank God my PC has an AMD processor.

Andy

----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] issue with google chrome 64 update.


It causes slowness in just about everything, because intel screwed up majorly we won't get any piece till we get new chips so if you want to stay with intel I'd wait a couple years till they release another chip.

For me its one reason I am moving to the competition, amd while it to has to contend with some of this is more resilient to most of this.




On 21/02/2018 7:22 a.m., zahra wrote:
hi brian.
the issue for slowness in firefox 52.6 i think its because of spectre
bug fixed in this version.
i read in some websites that the patches for fixing spectre bug,
causes slowness in previous windows and older hardwares.

On 2/20/18, Mário Navarro <mario.gnv@...> wrote:

hi Quentin.

Yes I'm using Chrome Version 64.0.3282.167 (Official Build) (64-bit)
(Chrome says it's up to date), and with NVDA 2017.4 and I still can't
use these commands.
I have no idea what could be going on ...
no updates, only google chrome.
no Chrome extensions that might be playing funny

thank you friend.
cheers.


Às 23:30 de 19/02/2018, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
Which version of NVDA are you using?

I just tried with Chrome Version 64.0.3282.167 (Official Build)
(64-bit) (Chrome says it's up to date), and with NVDA 2017.4 and also
the latest Next snapshot and I can press alt+left and alt+right arrows
to move between pages. Possibly something else is interfering with
the keystroke?

If you've updated anything lately, maybe restart it, and even the
machine (you posted this three days ago so you possibly have since
then anyway). Otherwise, are you using any Chrome extensions that
might be playing funny?

Regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 11:53 PM, Mário Navarro <mario.gnv@...
<mailto:mario.gnv@...>> wrote:

    Hello.


    for those who have updated google chrome for the 64 version.
    When you enter a link on a website, and to go back with alt left
    arrow chrome doesn't obey this command.
    back and forward.
    I don't know if it's a problem of NVDA cannot seem to update the
    information, or if it is a bug of accessibility in chrome.
    someone's come across this?
    some tips?
    thank you.
    cheers.

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    acção...







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Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
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Twitter: @NVAccess

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Re: a problem reading a pdf file

Sarah k Alawami
 

I've seen this before and it drives me nuts. I have not tried this as of yet but what happens when you maximize the window? I just deal with it as I do very very little reading on my windows machine.

On Feb 20, 2018, at 1:18 PM, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@gmail.com> wrote:

hi,

I have this problem in nvda with this pdf, but have experienced it on other files. Nvda, for some wierd reason, startsspliting words into lines in parts of the document. For instance, the word the is split as follows.

th

e

This occurs with large paragraphs of text. However, when selecting those so called lines, and pasting into word, they read just fine. Also, spelling with the left and right arrow spell fine. How do I fix this?




issue NVDA VS office 2007.

Mário Navarro
 

Hello.

issue with NVDA in microsoft office 2007.
Yes I know this is an old version of office for windows 10, but I don't want to get the 2016.
or any other version ...
the only issue with NVDA is he not read menus.
with jaws everything works normal.
any of you that are using the 2007 having this issue with NVDA 2017.4?
Thanks!
Cheers.

--
A acção pode nem sempre ser felicidade, mas não há felicidade sem acção...


Re: OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility issues

Stephen
 

www.oeclassic.com

At 08:03 AM 2/21/2018, you wrote:
where do we find OE classic?



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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brice
Mijares
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 7:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more accessibility
issues

Okay, thanks for the clarification.

On 2/20/2018 5:44 AM, Gene wrote:
This is a different program.?? It's OE Classic.?? You are talking
about the original Outlook express.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Brice Mijares <mailto:bricemijares@att.net>
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 20, 2018 7:39 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] OEClassic gets an update fixing more
accessibility issues

Didn't I hear when windows 10 has a major update it removes OE?

On 2/20/2018 5:05 AM, Robert Kingett wrote:
> I did some web crawling. The pro version has identities, so not
sure if > that is something you want, but I would comb through all of
their news > section <https://www.oeclassic.com/news> to see what
features have been > added. The free version is on 27 now. 28, the
more accessible version, > will be free when the pro version shoots
up to 29. I can wait. No big > deal for me, but I think it is a one
time payment? And you get upgrades > for life? I'll have to look at the
website again though.
>