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Re: Thunderbird will become a webbased application - What about accessibility?

Arlene
 

Well, if that’s the case. I’ll either stick to the windows mail app or just use Google’s site to check mail. I think Outlook is web based. I used outlook 2010.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Roger Stewart
Sent: February 8, 2021 7:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird will become a webbased application - What about accessibility?

 

Guess I'll be looking for another email program soon.  Too bad as

Thunderbird has worked great with nvda for many years.

Roger

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 2/8/2021 5:40 AM, William wrote:

> Oh, I am sad about this news.

> Christian Schoepplein 8/2/2021 18:37 寫道:

>> Hi,

>> 

>> regarding to a presentation at FOSDEM 2021 it is planed to make

>> Thunderbird more and more a webbased application based on Electron.

>> 

>> I wonder what that means regarding to accessibility in Thunderbird in

>> general and what other free graphical mailer will be available for

>> Windows if Thunderbird might become inaccessible or at least very

>> inefficient regarding to useability when it is a full webbased program.

>> 

>> Is anyone in touch with the Thunderbird developers and can find out

>> more about their plans and how much they will have accessibility in

>> mind?

>> 

>> I fear they do not care much about accessibility, so the next

>> question is what can we do to bring this isue more into the public?

>> 

>> It would be really sad to loose the only really free and good to use

>> graphical mailer for Windows. AFAIK there are not much alternatives

>> left then, which is a real shame for such a central and important

>> form of communication for blind people, especialy in this very

>> challenging times :-(.

>> 

>> Cheers,

>> 

>>   Schoepp

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

> .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Thunderbird will become a webbased application - What about accessibility?

Arlene
 

Hi, I tried to install thunderbird on this computer. But it would not allow gmail on it. So I am using the windows ten mail app.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Chris Smart
Sent: February 8, 2021 7:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird will become a webbased application - What about accessibility?

 

Why not wait and see how things turn out?

 

 

 

On 2021-02-08 10:25 a.m., Roger Stewart wrote:

> Guess I'll be looking for another email program soon.  Too bad as

> Thunderbird has worked great with nvda for many years.

> Roger

> On 2/8/2021 5:40 AM, William wrote:

>> Oh, I am sad about this news.

>> 

>> 

>> Christian Schoepplein 8/2/2021 18:37 寫道:

>>> Hi,

>>> 

>>> regarding to a presentation at FOSDEM 2021 it is planed to make

>>> Thunderbird more and more a webbased application based on Electron.

>>> 

>>> I wonder what that means regarding to accessibility in Thunderbird

>>> in general and what other free graphical mailer will be available

>>> for Windows if Thunderbird might become inaccessible or at least

>>> very inefficient regarding to useability when it is a full webbased

>>> program.

>>> 

>>> Is anyone in touch with the Thunderbird developers and can find out

>>> more about their plans and how much they will have accessibility in

>>> mind?

>>> 

>>> I fear they do not care much about accessibility, so the next

>>> question is what can we do to bring this isue more into the public?

>>> 

>>> It would be really sad to loose the only really free and good to use

>>> graphical mailer for Windows. AFAIK there are not much alternatives

>>> left then, which is a real shame for such a central and important

>>> form of communication for blind people, especialy in this very

>>> challenging times :-(.

>>> 

>>> Cheers,

>>> 

>>>   Schoepp

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> .

>

 

 

 

 

 


Re: windows essentials addon incompatible

 

Hi,

Yes. An alternative is Resource Monitor add-on, and if that’s installed, press NVDA+Shift+number row 6.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of mike mcglashon
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 2:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows essentials addon incompatible

 

OK,

So in order to find out my Windows version,

Do I first press windows and then press Winver to see?

 

 

contact information
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PH: 618-783-9331
Email: michael.mcglashon@...



On Feb 8, 2021, at 4:57 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:



Hi,

Which version of Windows 10 are you using? Windows 10 App Essentials 21.02 requires Version 2004 (May 2020 Update) or later.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of mike mcglashon
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 1:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows essentials addon incompatible

 

Okay,

Will do;

Can I just use the check for updates thing from the menu?

Or,

\must I use the link that came out earlier?

 

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 4:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows essentials addon incompatible

 

Well I ust installed it here and no problems. Try it again. Also down NVDA 2020 RC1 which came out today.

On 2/8/2021 4:30 PM, mike mcglashon wrote:

When I went into the help/about,

It says nvda version 2020.4 beta 4;

 

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 4:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows essentials addon incompatible

 

Well what version of NVDA qare you running? Remember Joseph has said time and time again what it is compatible with.

On 2/8/2021 4:24 PM, mike mcglashon wrote:

Hi guys:

 

When I launch nvda,

It asks me if I want to addons,

I say yes,

Then I get an error that windows essentials addon is incompatible, and,

Some other error;

 

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 


Re: windows essentials addon incompatible

Arlene
 

Hi, all you do is hold down the windows key. Hit R then you are asked what it is you want to run. Then you type w I n  v  e r  Then hit enter. You’ll hear NVDA chatter and he will tell you what version of windows you have on your computer.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: mike mcglashon
Sent: February 8, 2021 2:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows essentials addon incompatible

 

OK,

So in order to find out my Windows version,

Do I first press windows and then press Winver to see?

 

 

contact information
Mike McGlashon
PH: 618-783-9331
Email: michael.mcglashon@...



On Feb 8, 2021, at 4:57 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:



Hi,

Which version of Windows 10 are you using? Windows 10 App Essentials 21.02 requires Version 2004 (May 2020 Update) or later.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of mike mcglashon
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 1:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows essentials addon incompatible

 

Okay,

Will do;

Can I just use the check for updates thing from the menu?

Or,

\must I use the link that came out earlier?

 

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 4:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows essentials addon incompatible

 

Well I ust installed it here and no problems. Try it again. Also down NVDA 2020 RC1 which came out today.

On 2/8/2021 4:30 PM, mike mcglashon wrote:

When I went into the help/about,

It says nvda version 2020.4 beta 4;

 

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 4:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows essentials addon incompatible

 

Well what version of NVDA qare you running? Remember Joseph has said time and time again what it is compatible with.

On 2/8/2021 4:24 PM, mike mcglashon wrote:

Hi guys:

 

When I launch nvda,

It asks me if I want to addons,

I say yes,

Then I get an error that windows essentials addon is incompatible, and,

Some other error;

 

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

 


Re: NVDA 2020.4 Release Candidate now available

Kevin Cussick
 

Hi, thanks got it and seems to be running well, but will play with over the next day or so and if any problems will let You all know. thanks to the devs for all the hard work.

On 08/02/2021 10:17, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone
NVDA 2020.4rc1 has been released. This is a release candidate, and unless any critical issues are found, this will be identical to the 2020.4 release.
Highlights and download links can be found in the release blog post at: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2020-4rc1/ <https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2020-4rc1/>
We encourage ALL users to download and install this release candidate, and if you do encounter any issues, please do let us know.
Kind regards
Quentin.
--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ <https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/>
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/ <https://certification.nvaccess.org/>
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda <https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda>
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>


Re: windows essentials addon incompatible

mike mcglashon
 

OK,
So in order to find out my Windows version,
Do I first press windows and then press Winver to see?


contact information
Mike McGlashon
PH: 618-783-9331
Email: michael.mcglashon@...


On Feb 8, 2021, at 4:57 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:



Hi,

Which version of Windows 10 are you using? Windows 10 App Essentials 21.02 requires Version 2004 (May 2020 Update) or later.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of mike mcglashon
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 1:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows essentials addon incompatible

 

Okay,

Will do;

Can I just use the check for updates thing from the menu?

Or,

\must I use the link that came out earlier?

 

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 4:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows essentials addon incompatible

 

Well I ust installed it here and no problems. Try it again. Also down NVDA 2020 RC1 which came out today.

On 2/8/2021 4:30 PM, mike mcglashon wrote:

When I went into the help/about,

It says nvda version 2020.4 beta 4;

 

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 4:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows essentials addon incompatible

 

Well what version of NVDA qare you running? Remember Joseph has said time and time again what it is compatible with.

On 2/8/2021 4:24 PM, mike mcglashon wrote:

Hi guys:

 

When I launch nvda,

It asks me if I want to addons,

I say yes,

Then I get an error that windows essentials addon is incompatible, and,

Some other error;

 

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 


Re: When will the next NVDA be released?

Kevin Cussick
 

don't worry it will happen soon.

On 08/02/2021 08:32, John J. Boyer wrote:
Hello,
It's been a long time since there was an official release of NVDA that is available with the Check for Updates on the NVDA menu. Is there a problem?
Is nv-access short of funds? I made a donation recently.
Thanks,
John


Re: windows essentials addon incompatible

 

Hi,

Which version of Windows 10 are you using? Windows 10 App Essentials 21.02 requires Version 2004 (May 2020 Update) or later.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of mike mcglashon
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 1:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows essentials addon incompatible

 

Okay,

Will do;

Can I just use the check for updates thing from the menu?

Or,

\must I use the link that came out earlier?

 

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 4:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows essentials addon incompatible

 

Well I ust installed it here and no problems. Try it again. Also down NVDA 2020 RC1 which came out today.

On 2/8/2021 4:30 PM, mike mcglashon wrote:

When I went into the help/about,

It says nvda version 2020.4 beta 4;

 

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 4:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows essentials addon incompatible

 

Well what version of NVDA qare you running? Remember Joseph has said time and time again what it is compatible with.

On 2/8/2021 4:24 PM, mike mcglashon wrote:

Hi guys:

 

When I launch nvda,

It asks me if I want to addons,

I say yes,

Then I get an error that windows essentials addon is incompatible, and,

Some other error;

 

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 


Re: windows essentials addon incompatible

Lino Morales
 

Yeah I'd go ahead and use the check for updates option.

On 2/8/2021 4:39 PM, mike mcglashon wrote:

Okay,

Will do;

Can I just use the check for updates thing from the menu?

Or,

\must I use the link that came out earlier?

 

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 4:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows essentials addon incompatible

 

Well I ust installed it here and no problems. Try it again. Also down NVDA 2020 RC1 which came out today.

On 2/8/2021 4:30 PM, mike mcglashon wrote:

When I went into the help/about,

It says nvda version 2020.4 beta 4;

 

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 4:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows essentials addon incompatible

 

Well what version of NVDA qare you running? Remember Joseph has said time and time again what it is compatible with.

On 2/8/2021 4:24 PM, mike mcglashon wrote:

Hi guys:

 

When I launch nvda,

It asks me if I want to addons,

I say yes,

Then I get an error that windows essentials addon is incompatible, and,

Some other error;

 

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 


Re: windows essentials addon incompatible

mike mcglashon
 

Okay,

Will do;

Can I just use the check for updates thing from the menu?

Or,

\must I use the link that came out earlier?

 

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 4:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows essentials addon incompatible

 

Well I ust installed it here and no problems. Try it again. Also down NVDA 2020 RC1 which came out today.

On 2/8/2021 4:30 PM, mike mcglashon wrote:

When I went into the help/about,

It says nvda version 2020.4 beta 4;

 

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 4:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows essentials addon incompatible

 

Well what version of NVDA qare you running? Remember Joseph has said time and time again what it is compatible with.

On 2/8/2021 4:24 PM, mike mcglashon wrote:

Hi guys:

 

When I launch nvda,

It asks me if I want to addons,

I say yes,

Then I get an error that windows essentials addon is incompatible, and,

Some other error;

 

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 


Re: windows essentials addon incompatible

Lino Morales
 

Well I ust installed it here and no problems. Try it again. Also down NVDA 2020 RC1 which came out today.

On 2/8/2021 4:30 PM, mike mcglashon wrote:

When I went into the help/about,

It says nvda version 2020.4 beta 4;

 

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 4:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows essentials addon incompatible

 

Well what version of NVDA qare you running? Remember Joseph has said time and time again what it is compatible with.

On 2/8/2021 4:24 PM, mike mcglashon wrote:

Hi guys:

 

When I launch nvda,

It asks me if I want to addons,

I say yes,

Then I get an error that windows essentials addon is incompatible, and,

Some other error;

 

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 


Re: windows essentials addon incompatible

mike mcglashon
 

When I went into the help/about,

It says nvda version 2020.4 beta 4;

 

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 4:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows essentials addon incompatible

 

Well what version of NVDA qare you running? Remember Joseph has said time and time again what it is compatible with.

On 2/8/2021 4:24 PM, mike mcglashon wrote:

Hi guys:

 

When I launch nvda,

It asks me if I want to addons,

I say yes,

Then I get an error that windows essentials addon is incompatible, and,

Some other error;

 

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 


Re: windows essentials addon incompatible

Lino Morales
 

Well what version of NVDA qare you running? Remember Joseph has said time and time again what it is compatible with.

On 2/8/2021 4:24 PM, mike mcglashon wrote:

Hi guys:

 

When I launch nvda,

It asks me if I want to addons,

I say yes,

Then I get an error that windows essentials addon is incompatible, and,

Some other error;

 

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 


windows essentials addon incompatible

mike mcglashon
 

Hi guys:

 

When I launch nvda,

It asks me if I want to addons,

I say yes,

Then I get an error that windows essentials addon is incompatible, and,

Some other error;

 

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 


Re: NVDA 2020.4 Release Candidate now available

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  The message boxes for the update from the beta to the release candidate and NVDA add-on updater seem to block each other somehow.  After I'd updated my add-ons, I lost the update information for the release candidate.  I had to use the "check for updates" function to complete the process.

Thanks,

Louise


Re: Tech VB podcast: In-depth interview with NVDA contributor Joseph Lee

Mário Navarro
 


thank you, great Joseph.

cheers.

Às 02:03 de 08/02/2021, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hello NVDA community,

As we await NVDA 2020.4, I figured the following podcast would be educational for many of you:

I sat down with Vytautus from Tech VB for an in-depth interview about NVDA, add-ons, accessibility advocacy and many topics. The resulting podcast (about two hours in length) is now available for your enjoyment:

In-depth interview with NVDA contributor Joseph Lee, We talked about Screen readers, Education, and everything else accessibility related – techvb.net

 

Thanks to Vytautus from Tech VB for inviting me for this interview, and of course, special shout-out to Nv Access people for making NVDA possible and add-on authors for opening up possibilities for thousands. If you have any questions, comments, or concerns, feel free to reach out to me privately (not on NVDA users group please).

Cheers,

Joseph

-- 
A acção pode nem sempre ser felicidade, mas não há felicidade sem acção...


Re: Thunderbird will become a webbased application - What about accessibility?

Mike Capelle <mcap1000@...>
 

I love whats app, I hate web based apps, I love my outlook 365, I do not believe that is web based.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 12:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird will become a webbased application - What about accessibility?

Well its becoming web based right now.

Its why I like it.

As to a full web application, unsure, I still use xbox insider legacy
though I may have to opt out of xbox insider and then clear the xbox
stuff from my system, the web based universal xbox has no sfx and while
I can access it I don't like its layout.

Generally elektron stuff works but it depends how its programmed of course.

Skype is accessible, but I've never really gotten used to the interface
and to be utterly honest with everyone I know on whats app and such I
havn't needed to use it, in fact I am using zoom more, and these days I
make sure important stuff goes to email.

As for thunderbird becoming more inaccessible, as long as it keeps its
interface I don't mind.


Addons, yeah, if you rely on this for the quantom engine then yeah I
have issue with that but I don't and never have ever needed those.

I have the same love hate relationship with waterfox.

They have tried to modernise it, but classic and g3 crash a lot on
verious sites 20.08 just doesn't, with nvda interactions on my amd
system, and it doesn't render some pages right like resilio, hp support
and livejournal.

According to its support reddit, a lot of people have been having issues
with it and people are leaving in droves though maybe I just got the bad
posts.

Like in waterfox, I guess I could keep on an older version, version 52
no longer gets updates so if I need to I could drop back.

Security would be the main thing as in wanterfox I have noscript,
ublock, privacy badger and https everywhere so I am covered with passive
addons, so security is not as important as it could have been.

On the other side, if thunderbird version x stopped getting security
certs then it would be like eudora and manual cert getting.

However I wouldn't swet it yet.

It will be a gradual thing most likely anyway thunderbird is slow on
stable releases.

We are up to 86 now on betas and stable is still 68.7.1, before the 68
series that was 60, and before 60 it was 52.

So even if they do change if you are one of those like me that just
wants to get email and duck everything and everyone else, then I
wouldn't sweat it, they don't update their stables that fast.

In fact when I was manually getting the latest stable they were still
updating the previous one for a bit.

It also seems that once they are done with the last stable version in a
series they may or may not update you to the next stable.

So in the end you choose a stable version you like and most likely won't
get updates once its stopped.

For example thunderbird 52.9.1 is the last pre quantom versions and they
don't update to that.

v 60 may update to 68 or 62 I am not sure.



On 8/02/2021 11:37 pm, Christian Schoepplein wrote:
Hi,

regarding to a presentation at FOSDEM 2021 it is planed to make
Thunderbird more and more a webbased application based on Electron.

I wonder what that means regarding to accessibility in Thunderbird in
general and what other free graphical mailer will be available for
Windows if Thunderbird might become inaccessible or at least very
inefficient regarding to useability when it is a full webbased program.

Is anyone in touch with the Thunderbird developers and can find out
more about their plans and how much they will have accessibility in mind?

I fear they do not care much about accessibility, so the next question
is what can we do to bring this isue more into the public?

It would be really sad to loose the only really free and good to use
graphical mailer for Windows. AFAIK there are not much alternatives
left then, which is a real shame for such a central and important form
of communication for blind people, especialy in this very challenging
times :-(.

Cheers,

Schoepp





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Re: Thunderbird will become a webbased application - What about accessibility?

Gene
 

I've been making the same point for awhile. Some people still use Outlook Express. People still use Windows Live Mail.

E-mail is not the way malware or malicious content is generally spread now. The interest is in human engineering, getting people to think an e-mail is from a trusted source and taking actions such as going to fraudulent and malicious web sites or opening attachments. Another way is malicious web sites or hacking advertising on web sites, reputable or not.

Also, I don't recall ever seeing, on lists like this I've followed since about 1998, one report of someone being directly infected by opening an e-mail.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Smart
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 8:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird will become a webbased application - What about accessibility?

Another thought:

Why does anyone need to use the very latest version of Thunderbird, if
an older one still works just fine?


This is a ridiculous example, but I held on to Eudora 7 for almost a
decade, and only switched to Thunderbird in the past year. Why? Because
it still worked under Windows 10.

Perhaps that won't be possible this time around, but other than security
concerns, or the way email works being changed in a fundamental way, I
can't see much changing in how we create, send, and receive email any
time soon. Email is very very old.


On 2021-02-08 5:37 a.m., Christian Schoepplein wrote:
Hi,

regarding to a presentation at FOSDEM 2021 it is planed to make Thunderbird more and more a webbased application based on Electron.

I wonder what that means regarding to accessibility in Thunderbird in general and what other free graphical mailer will be available for Windows if Thunderbird might become inaccessible or at least very inefficient regarding to useability when it is a full webbased program.

Is anyone in touch with the Thunderbird developers and can find out more about their plans and how much they will have accessibility in mind?

I fear they do not care much about accessibility, so the next question is what can we do to bring this isue more into the public?

It would be really sad to loose the only really free and good to use graphical mailer for Windows. AFAIK there are not much alternatives left then, which is a real shame for such a central and important form of communication for blind people, especialy in this very challenging times :-(.

Cheers,

Schoepp





Re: Thunderbird will become a webbased application - What about accessibility?

Gene
 

It may be that the Thunderbird developers will do this, but I did a search and I found this being discussed as far back as 2017. Maybe they will finally do something like this, but I wonder if it is a topic that comes up now and then and may not be acted on, at least we don't know how long it may be.



Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 8:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird will become a webbased application - What about accessibility?

On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 05:37 AM, Christian Schoepplein wrote:
I wonder what that means regarding to accessibility in Thunderbird-
I can't imagine why, given Mozilla's track record, that anything they code would not be accessible (with the occasional bobble).

The conventions for accessible web coding are very well known, and supported by every screen reader I'm aware of. It's not that web applications cannot be accessible, it's that many are not coded with any consideration given to accessibility.

Provided any web coder is not determined to use "the very latest and greatest" new coding, which is far less likely on an email client than other things, I see no reason why it would not be entirely accessible. Only time will tell, though.
--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

~ Brian Vogel


Re: Thunderbird will become a webbased application - What about accessibility?

 

Well its becoming web based right now.

Its why I like it.

As to a full web application, unsure, I still use xbox insider legacy though I may have to opt out of xbox insider and then clear the xbox stuff from my system, the web based universal xbox has no sfx and while I can access it I don't like its layout.

Generally elektron stuff works but it depends how its programmed of course.

Skype is accessible, but I've never really gotten used to the interface and to be utterly honest with everyone I know on whats app and such I havn't needed to use it, in fact I am using zoom more, and these days I make sure important stuff goes to email.

As for thunderbird becoming more inaccessible, as long as it keeps its interface I don't mind.


Addons, yeah, if you rely on this for the quantom engine then yeah I have issue with that but I don't and never have ever needed those.

I have the same love hate relationship with waterfox.

They have tried to modernise it, but classic and g3 crash a lot on verious sites 20.08 just doesn't, with nvda interactions on my amd system, and it doesn't render some pages right like resilio, hp support and livejournal.

According to its support reddit, a lot of people have been having issues with it and people are leaving in droves though maybe I just got the bad posts.

Like in waterfox, I guess I could keep on an older version, version 52 no longer gets updates so if I need to I could drop back.

Security would be the main thing as in wanterfox I have noscript, ublock, privacy badger and https everywhere so I am covered with passive addons, so security is not as important as it could have been.

On the other side, if thunderbird version x stopped getting security certs then it would be like eudora and manual cert getting.

However I wouldn't swet it yet.

It will be a gradual thing most likely anyway thunderbird is slow on stable releases.

We are up to 86 now on betas and stable is still 68.7.1, before the 68 series that was 60, and before 60 it was 52.

So even if they do change if you are one of those like me that just wants to get email and duck everything and everyone else, then I wouldn't sweat it, they don't update their stables that fast.

In fact when I was manually getting the latest stable they were still updating the previous one for a bit.

It also seems that once they are done with the last stable version in a series they may or may not update you to the next stable.

So in the end you choose a stable version you like and most likely won't get updates once its stopped.

For example thunderbird 52.9.1 is the last pre quantom versions and they don't update to that.

v 60 may update to 68 or 62 I am not sure.

On 8/02/2021 11:37 pm, Christian Schoepplein wrote:
Hi,

regarding to a presentation at FOSDEM 2021 it is planed to make Thunderbird more and more a webbased application based on Electron.

I wonder what that means regarding to accessibility in Thunderbird in general and what other free graphical mailer will be available for Windows if Thunderbird might become inaccessible or at least very inefficient regarding to useability when it is a full webbased program.

Is anyone in touch with the Thunderbird developers and can find out more about their plans and how much they will have accessibility in mind?

I fear they do not care much about accessibility, so the next question is what can we do to bring this isue more into the public?

It would be really sad to loose the only really free and good to use graphical mailer for Windows. AFAIK there are not much alternatives left then, which is a real shame for such a central and important form of communication for blind people, especialy in this very challenging times :-(.

Cheers,

  Schoepp




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