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Re: Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA

Luke Scholey <l.scholey.lists@...>
 

Even small little updates seem to annoy the licensing system. I have a Windows 10 machine and I upgraded it to a later version of Windows 10 and their system seemed to think it was a new computer. This meant I had to contact them and ask them to reset all my license keys, as I had used them all at this point, to then go round and activate them again on all my machines.
Luke

On 19 Feb 2018, at 19:49, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

But this is much worse.  In this system, the program continues to contact the server to check that it is authorized.  I don't know if it does this every time its run or maybe once every few days but it just never ends.  And what is going to happen to all the users if the company ever goes out of business?  this is a ludicrous license system.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA

Not in my experience.  I don't know how many jaws you've authorised, but
I've done at least 50 over the years.

It's tied to your computer hardware.  I've deactivated jaws by installing a
new hard drive or optical drive, upgrading video card drivers, and more. 
There was even a run of dell vostro laptops that had two video cards, one
for high performance when plugged in and the other for power conservation
when on battery.  Guess what happened when customers plugged and unplugged
their laptops?  You got it.  And don't get me started on what happens to
jaws licences in virtual environments.

Now maybe they have relaxed the licencing to account for some of these
issues.  It has been at least four years.  Still, it's an issue that cost
vast amounts of time and money in the past.

Best,

Erik


On February 19, 2018 1:42:15 PM "Andy" <wq6r@...> wrote:

I've never seen this licensing scheme before. If you buy a license for JAWS,
it's yours no matter how often you use the program.

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: "James Robinson" <jardatalearningcenter@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Cc: <blindtech@groups.io>; <win10@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:06 AM
Subject: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA


> Hello!
>
> You know, I have had it with this CodeFactory thing of deactivating
> constantly.  I checked out one of the Microsoft voices they have in NVDA
> and
> this voice is not too bad; it is not as clear as Eloquence or the
> Vocalizer
> Expressive voices, but it is a little better than the standard NVDA voice
> in
> my opinion.  I think CodeFactory could make this program permanent with
> NVDA
> as it is with other screen readers.  They end up making the program far
> too
> much trouble to use in NVDA than it is worth.  I'll just eat the cost
> because I don't expect them to do anything about the crazy requirements
> for
> using the voices.  I'll thkink twice before I purchase such software in
> the
> future.
>
> Can we use any other Microsoft voices that windows offers?  If so, how do
> we
> do it?
>
> James Robinson
>
>
>
>










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Re: Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA

Gene
 

But this is much worse.  In this system, the program continues to contact the server to check that it is authorized.  I don't know if it does this every time its run or maybe once every few days but it just never ends.  And what is going to happen to all the users if the company ever goes out of business?  this is a ludicrous license system.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA

Not in my experience.  I don't know how many jaws you've authorised, but
I've done at least 50 over the years.

It's tied to your computer hardware.  I've deactivated jaws by installing a
new hard drive or optical drive, upgrading video card drivers, and more. 
There was even a run of dell vostro laptops that had two video cards, one
for high performance when plugged in and the other for power conservation
when on battery.  Guess what happened when customers plugged and unplugged
their laptops?  You got it.  And don't get me started on what happens to
jaws licences in virtual environments.

Now maybe they have relaxed the licencing to account for some of these
issues.  It has been at least four years.  Still, it's an issue that cost
vast amounts of time and money in the past.

Best,

Erik


On February 19, 2018 1:42:15 PM "Andy" <wq6r@...> wrote:

I've never seen this licensing scheme before. If you buy a license for JAWS,
it's yours no matter how often you use the program.

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: "James Robinson" <jardatalearningcenter@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Cc: <blindtech@groups.io>; <win10@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:06 AM
Subject: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA


> Hello!
>
> You know, I have had it with this CodeFactory thing of deactivating
> constantly.  I checked out one of the Microsoft voices they have in NVDA
> and
> this voice is not too bad; it is not as clear as Eloquence or the
> Vocalizer
> Expressive voices, but it is a little better than the standard NVDA voice
> in
> my opinion.  I think CodeFactory could make this program permanent with
> NVDA
> as it is with other screen readers.  They end up making the program far
> too
> much trouble to use in NVDA than it is worth.  I'll just eat the cost
> because I don't expect them to do anything about the crazy requirements
> for
> using the voices.  I'll thkink twice before I purchase such software in
> the
> future.
>
> Can we use any other Microsoft voices that windows offers?  If so, how do
> we
> do it?
>
> James Robinson
>
>
>
>









google search was Re: qbittorrent was Re: [nvda] usable torrent client recommendations?

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

I didn't really mean to get sidetracked, on this, but the case in point is only one example.

When I go looking for taxis in Welland, it gives me everything but welland taxi.  Just another case in point.  This morning I went looking for info on a Train bootleg, and all I got was Bob Dillan, Pearl Jam, and... well... not train.

Google also stripped the headings out of it's mobile search, and I'm sure the number of adds is double what it was even last year.

Best,

Erik

On February 19, 2018 1:04:21 PM "Gene" <gsasner@...> wrote:

A search of the archives shows this page with lots of messages shown from this thread.  You may follow the link to the one you think might take you closest to the part you are interested in.
I haven't looked extensively but this appears to be about where you might find what you want in the thread:
 
Gene
----- Original message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: qbittorrent was Re: [nvda] usable torrent client recommendations?

I'd have to do more checking.  perhaps, for some reason, this thread isn't known to google yet.  I did a search for the previous subject line, which was usable torrent client recommendation followed by nvda and another search for the same subject line followed by nvdagroups.io to make it more likely that archive searches would show up early in the results.  I found nothing.  but there has been no decline in Google.  I use it almost every day and I've seen no decline.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 11:24 AM
Subject: qbittorrent was Re: [nvda] usable torrent client recommendations?

I just installed qbittorrent.  Unfortunately, I didn't keep the email about
how to make the transfer treeview accessible.  I googled it, but only got a
page full of sponsored content and forum posts about nvidia stuff.  Google
seems to be less now than it once was.  IE, NVDA and NVidia are not the
same thing, sighs.

I can use object navigation to see what's in the tree, but given hundreds
of torrents, looking at each piece of info individually for each one is
possibly not the most efficient way.

Thanks.

Erik


On February 19, 2018 5:47:43 AM "Simone Dal Maso"
<simone.dalmaso@...> wrote:

Hello,
I use qBitTorrent.
The problem is landing in the download area to check what is happening,
but it is free without ads and after having configured it one time it works.



Il 16/02/2018 22:55, JM Casey ha scritto:
> Hello everyone.
>
> I have been using Utorrent, or Mu-torrent, as it is sometimes called. I
> ended up with some build of 3.5 on this Windows 10 machine. It is not
> totally unusable, but the ads have a tendency to get stuck and crash the
> program. It also causes firefox to crash on a semi-regular basis. I was
> even willing to “upgrade to pro”, to get rid of the ads, but clicking on
> the link takes me to some silly games page, and while I’m sure it’s
> possible to get to the correct page from there, I got this inexplicable
> impression that the developers did not actually want me to upgrade the
> software at all, since they make the path so cryptic. In short, I think
> I would feel more comfortable with a different client altogether. Of
> course, I am looking for one that is very configurable and which plays
> nice with NVDA. Have you fine folks any suggestions? Thanks in advance.
>
>









Re: Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

Not in my experience. I don't know how many jaws you've authorised, but I've done at least 50 over the years.

It's tied to your computer hardware. I've deactivated jaws by installing a new hard drive or optical drive, upgrading video card drivers, and more. There was even a run of dell vostro laptops that had two video cards, one for high performance when plugged in and the other for power conservation when on battery. Guess what happened when customers plugged and unplugged their laptops? You got it. And don't get me started on what happens to jaws licences in virtual environments.

Now maybe they have relaxed the licencing to account for some of these issues. It has been at least four years. Still, it's an issue that cost vast amounts of time and money in the past.

Best,

Erik

On February 19, 2018 1:42:15 PM "Andy" <wq6r@socal.rr.com> wrote:

I've never seen this licensing scheme before. If you buy a license for JAWS,
it's yours no matter how often you use the program.

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: "James Robinson" <jardatalearningcenter@jardata.biz>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Cc: <blindtech@groups.io>; <win10@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:06 AM
Subject: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA


Hello!

You know, I have had it with this CodeFactory thing of deactivating
constantly. I checked out one of the Microsoft voices they have in NVDA
and
this voice is not too bad; it is not as clear as Eloquence or the
Vocalizer
Expressive voices, but it is a little better than the standard NVDA voice
in
my opinion. I think CodeFactory could make this program permanent with
NVDA
as it is with other screen readers. They end up making the program far
too
much trouble to use in NVDA than it is worth. I'll just eat the cost
because I don't expect them to do anything about the crazy requirements
for
using the voices. I'll thkink twice before I purchase such software in
the
future.

Can we use any other Microsoft voices that windows offers? If so, how do
we
do it?

James Robinson




Re: accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:

Sarah k Alawami
 

Yeah chrome is very  accessible. If you are not beeing clear you are of no help, so if it is not too  hard, please give us step by step what you are trying to do. This way we can help troubleshoot.

Take care

On Feb 19, 2018, at 10:49 AM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:

dude what are you trying to get to in the chrome settings?

your not giving us the proper detail

chrome is accessible I know several people who use it as there default browser myself included
On 2/19/2018 10:11 AM, zahra wrote:
okay,
i downloaded and tested slimjet,
but its not accessible unfortunately.
only some menus are accessible, but reading web pages and using
navigation quick keys is impossible.
only i could use tab and nvda reads link!
when i press enter on a link, it opens, but nvda cant read the content.
i found another browser which based on chrome titled vivaldi.
is it accessible?
sorry, its based on chromium engine.
has anyone experience using these browsers?

On 2/19/18, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
gene,
when for example: i want to download nvda or any other software in
firefox, it asks me whether i want to open this file, run or save it.
but about multimedia files, new browser open them by default without
asking whether i want to open them or download them.
this problem can be resolved completely by changing about:config
settings of firefox,
but about google chrome, it has not complete solution unfortunately
and wished that test other chrome based browser like slimjet or
chromium.

On 2/19/18, zahra a <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
adobe acrobat does not support persian very well, moreover, its not
free and for the sanctions against iran and reading license of adobe,
i realy dont trust this company!

On 2/19/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I haven't tried those versions of Chrome, but why not ask if such
settings
are available in Chrome?  I don't know if they are or not but they
either
may be or there may be another way to do what you want in Chrome.
That's
true for Firefox as well.  Also, I'm not sure what you want to do. You
appear to want to be able to save multimedia files without them opening
in
Chrome or Firefox.  As I said, there may be ways to do these things you
don't know about in both browsers even if there are no settings.  I
can't
discuss multimedia files in part because I'm not sure just what kinds of
files you are discussing and I may not have tried to save those
filetypes..
But in terms of files such as audio files like MP3s, in Firefox, once
the
file starts to play in the browser, you can save it by issuing the
command
control s, then using the save as dialog that opens.  I wouldn't be
surprised if that is true in Chrome as well.

Please explain what you want to do in detail so people can address it.

You may want to live in the technological past indefinitely but you
can't
unless you want to be increasingly unable to do things you do now and
limited in things you may want to do in future.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:


i did not say that chrome is not accessible, reading web pages and for
example gmail, is completely accessible and the quick navigation keys
are like firefox.
but its not very accessible for my need in customization and changing
settings!
in firefox is about:config
which has thousands of options and i could easily set firefox
according to my desire,
i searched google and found hidden options in chrome.
but could not find anything that wished to find!
about automatic openning multimedia files, its not just happen on my
system,
even this feature is on by default and by the grace of God, i could
find it in about:config
if i could not find this option for my firefox, i kept firefox 25
forever without update!
because this problem happened since firefox 26 that does not allow
downloading multimedia files without changing settings in about:config
by the way, did you try chromium and slimjet which i asked about them?

On 2/19/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Please don't assume that because you can't do something, that it can't
be
done and that, if you don't fully understand an unfamiliar interface,
that
it is inaccessible or can't be worked with.  As far as updates are
concerned, you can't avoid updates because Chrome automatically
updates.
But
that doesn't matter in your case.  You use XP and Google Chrome, the
browser, hasn't been updated for XP for perhaps almost a year.  In
addition,
the settings, or almost all of them, I haven't checked every one, are
accessible, or at least can be worked with.  You have to do certain
things
to be able to work with some of them such as manually turn off and on
browse
mode.  The program isn't as accessible as it should be but there is a
difference between accessibility and usability and a lot of programs
are
very usable, even though not fully accessible.  Chrome is largely
accessible
and is very usable, though not completely everything is.  But it's
usable
enough so that almost everything desired can be done except in the case
of
add ons which may not be accessible, but that's the fault of the add on
designer.

I'm going into all this mainly because your message may, if not
discussed,
mslead others into believing Chrome is not usable and is not reasonably
accessible.  I don't particularly like the interface but the program is
reasonably accessible and quite usable.

As far as playing audio files, Chrome does play audio.  I don't know if
it
plays what you are trying to play.  I don't know what you are having
problems with but please don't state things as though they are facts
based
on only your experience with an unfamiliar program.  It's perfectly
alright
to say, I couldn't get it to do this or that.  That doesn't mean it
can't
be
done.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 8:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:


hello every one.
as my language is persian
and did not find and there is no one offline program for reading pdf
files in persian language except chrome, i decided to download chrome.
i realy did not like it,
its less accessible than firefox in using settings.
i could not change it to not update automaticly,
dont play audio and video files which i want to download.
openning files after download etc.
so, i wished to try other browsers based on chrome like chromium and
slimjet.
did any of you test these browsers?
are they supported screen readers?
do they the problems that i mentioned for those, i dont like chrome or
not.
i appreciate any of your help, sincerely pray for you and God bless you
all!

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org




--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org




--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org









Re: accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:

 

dude what are you trying to get to in the chrome settings?

your not giving us the proper detail

chrome is accessible I know several people who use it as there default browser myself included

On 2/19/2018 10:11 AM, zahra wrote:
okay,
i downloaded and tested slimjet,
but its not accessible unfortunately.
only some menus are accessible, but reading web pages and using
navigation quick keys is impossible.
only i could use tab and nvda reads link!
when i press enter on a link, it opens, but nvda cant read the content.
i found another browser which based on chrome titled vivaldi.
is it accessible?
sorry, its based on chromium engine.
has anyone experience using these browsers?

On 2/19/18, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
gene,
when for example: i want to download nvda or any other software in
firefox, it asks me whether i want to open this file, run or save it.
but about multimedia files, new browser open them by default without
asking whether i want to open them or download them.
this problem can be resolved completely by changing about:config
settings of firefox,
but about google chrome, it has not complete solution unfortunately
and wished that test other chrome based browser like slimjet or
chromium.

On 2/19/18, zahra a <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
adobe acrobat does not support persian very well, moreover, its not
free and for the sanctions against iran and reading license of adobe,
i realy dont trust this company!

On 2/19/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I haven't tried those versions of Chrome, but why not ask if such
settings
are available in Chrome? I don't know if they are or not but they
either
may be or there may be another way to do what you want in Chrome.
That's
true for Firefox as well. Also, I'm not sure what you want to do. You
appear to want to be able to save multimedia files without them opening
in
Chrome or Firefox. As I said, there may be ways to do these things you
don't know about in both browsers even if there are no settings. I
can't
discuss multimedia files in part because I'm not sure just what kinds of
files you are discussing and I may not have tried to save those
filetypes..
But in terms of files such as audio files like MP3s, in Firefox, once
the
file starts to play in the browser, you can save it by issuing the
command
control s, then using the save as dialog that opens. I wouldn't be
surprised if that is true in Chrome as well.

Please explain what you want to do in detail so people can address it.

You may want to live in the technological past indefinitely but you
can't
unless you want to be increasingly unable to do things you do now and
limited in things you may want to do in future.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:


i did not say that chrome is not accessible, reading web pages and for
example gmail, is completely accessible and the quick navigation keys
are like firefox.
but its not very accessible for my need in customization and changing
settings!
in firefox is about:config
which has thousands of options and i could easily set firefox
according to my desire,
i searched google and found hidden options in chrome.
but could not find anything that wished to find!
about automatic openning multimedia files, its not just happen on my
system,
even this feature is on by default and by the grace of God, i could
find it in about:config
if i could not find this option for my firefox, i kept firefox 25
forever without update!
because this problem happened since firefox 26 that does not allow
downloading multimedia files without changing settings in about:config
by the way, did you try chromium and slimjet which i asked about them?

On 2/19/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
Please don't assume that because you can't do something, that it can't
be
done and that, if you don't fully understand an unfamiliar interface,
that
it is inaccessible or can't be worked with. As far as updates are
concerned, you can't avoid updates because Chrome automatically
updates.
But
that doesn't matter in your case. You use XP and Google Chrome, the
browser, hasn't been updated for XP for perhaps almost a year. In
addition,
the settings, or almost all of them, I haven't checked every one, are
accessible, or at least can be worked with. You have to do certain
things
to be able to work with some of them such as manually turn off and on
browse
mode. The program isn't as accessible as it should be but there is a
difference between accessibility and usability and a lot of programs
are
very usable, even though not fully accessible. Chrome is largely
accessible
and is very usable, though not completely everything is. But it's
usable
enough so that almost everything desired can be done except in the case
of
add ons which may not be accessible, but that's the fault of the add on
designer.

I'm going into all this mainly because your message may, if not
discussed,
mslead others into believing Chrome is not usable and is not reasonably
accessible. I don't particularly like the interface but the program is
reasonably accessible and quite usable.

As far as playing audio files, Chrome does play audio. I don't know if
it
plays what you are trying to play. I don't know what you are having
problems with but please don't state things as though they are facts
based
on only your experience with an unfamiliar program. It's perfectly
alright
to say, I couldn't get it to do this or that. That doesn't mean it
can't
be
done.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 8:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:


hello every one.
as my language is persian
and did not find and there is no one offline program for reading pdf
files in persian language except chrome, i decided to download chrome.
i realy did not like it,
its less accessible than firefox in using settings.
i could not change it to not update automaticly,
dont play audio and video files which i want to download.
openning files after download etc.
so, i wished to try other browsers based on chrome like chromium and
slimjet.
did any of you test these browsers?
are they supported screen readers?
do they the problems that i mentioned for those, i dont like chrome or
not.
i appreciate any of your help, sincerely pray for you and God bless you
all!

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org




Re: Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA

Andy
 

I've never seen this licensing scheme before. If you buy a license for JAWS, it's yours no matter how often you use the program.

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: "James Robinson" <jardatalearningcenter@jardata.biz>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Cc: <blindtech@groups.io>; <win10@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:06 AM
Subject: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA


Hello!

You know, I have had it with this CodeFactory thing of deactivating
constantly. I checked out one of the Microsoft voices they have in NVDA and
this voice is not too bad; it is not as clear as Eloquence or the Vocalizer
Expressive voices, but it is a little better than the standard NVDA voice in
my opinion. I think CodeFactory could make this program permanent with NVDA
as it is with other screen readers. They end up making the program far too
much trouble to use in NVDA than it is worth. I'll just eat the cost
because I don't expect them to do anything about the crazy requirements for
using the voices. I'll thkink twice before I purchase such software in the
future.

Can we use any other Microsoft voices that windows offers? If so, how do we
do it?

James Robinson



Re: Phasing out of 7

Sarah k Alawami
 

zoom is a conferencing system that allows for people on the hone to call in. If you look  at their accessibility page you will see shortcuts for windows and mac and their mobile app is very accessible as well I love zoom and love everything it can do. And yes I am on the paid plan.

Take care

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Zoom is a conferencing system I think, not looked at it recently but it used to be able to run on xp. It was not very accessible, as it only seemed to work with Jaws then. it also has a paid for version.
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gene,
i agree with your comment that mentioned we should use anything that
meet our need.
about zoom,
does it support windows xp?
does it have voice call like skype and telephone?
i dont want voice message, i need voice call and text message only.

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What you need is a cheap stereo mixer then.
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Yeah I might have to do that. For my class though, I have to send links from

websites and text from my computer to a student so this in fact will not
work for my job, at least i don't think so. They  are  not aloud to hear my

screen reader as I type and I'm not waring two pairs of headphones.

On Feb 17, 2018, at 7:43 AM, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:

if you want to use skype, just use it on an iPhone or android device. its

very very accessible on iPhone and androids, and you can get a good RCA
android tablet with keyboard for $60 or so and put skype onto it.









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Re: a bit of help before I go in for job training: question about dragon and NVDA

Sarah k Alawami
 

Yeah they told me that. But their systems right now are 32 bit They think that switching to 64 bit will help. I really hope that they can some time use computers that are not processer intensive like mine. Mine is an i7 or maybe an i5 with speeds of I think 6ghz. I would think dragon could run smoothly on that with nvda, maybe. Although lugging that to work would be a pain in the back side, not somethingn I would infact enjoy as this thign is about 8 pounds.

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I think Dragon is quite processor intensive. I could never get it to work well in xp.

Not tried it of late myself though.
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Subject: [nvda] a bit of help before I go in for job training: question about dragon and NVDA


Hello. I applied for and almost got the job for being a caption call agent. The problem is this. what ever tools they use once dragon starts to read back what I said, the system chokes and the screen readers start to stutter and the computers freeze. I suggested NVDA but I believe this even happens there. is there someone with dragon that would be able to test all of this? maybe someone who could work with me and caption call as I'm working with their HR department. They said they have to go according to what goes with the memory of their systems which right now are 32 bit. what should I tell them in order for them to be on the right track. I even recommended some non nvda tools such as Jaws and JSay but I want to promote NVDA at my job in case they don't want to or can't use jaws. Is there someone who might be able to do an add on, or something I can do to make dragon work better than it is now? I know the issues they are talking about as I'be seen this happen on all the platforms. if need be I can ask them to contact who ever would be able to help. For those interested go to captioncall.com and maybe contact their HR department. See if you can get in touch with them and explain what to do as I want to give this a try and see if this can indeed be done.

Take care all.





Re: nvda as windows 10 app

Sarah k Alawami
 

Well, that' might be good for those of us who don't want to run the snaps, so I'd say this is a good move for those of us in restricted use cases etc. I'd say, go for it.

Take care

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At the moment though this version seems to not be able to run snaps if used as the universal app in 10.
I don't have 10 here myself so really, I'd not have access to the store would I.
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I agree. I'm personally for this, even snaps can be in the store as part of a beta program, or  what not. It would just be easier in my humble opinion.


Take care

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I think it depends on what you want to do. if you are in a locked down environment where you can only use the apps in the store, then you have an extra plus if you are blind.
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Brian are only negative..

Skickades från E-post för Windows 10

Från: Shaun Everiss
Skickat: den 17 februari 2018 21:13
Till: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Ämne: Re: [nvda] nvda as windows 10 app

Well for students and some enterprise businesses I think its to stop
people unknowingly load a virus on your system.

And if nothing can install itself hopefully no one can get in.

An admin probably could but even so.

For standard users that control things that hopefully will not be a problem.




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I mean that the environment of universal apps is very restrictive on
what any program can do when its being used. IE add ons in nvda would
only be usable if that add on was also approved for the store.
I can understand that in some very paranoid environments, this is a
good thing, but for the rest of us it seems a step too far and I might
even say, a situation where you are lulled into thinking your system
is impenetrable by naughty people when in fact there is no such
environment in existence.
Brian

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And what do you meen?
What wrong with apps?

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I thought it was already there should you be foolhardy enough to want it.
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Subject: [nvda] nvda as windows 10 app


anny progress?













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Re: Master snapshot is only 540k

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi Brian


it does not even do that. I will give it another whirl today may be even a restart f the modem etc it is really weird.  The only anti virus is windows defender and i am using windows 10 version 1709.


Gene nz



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Go and download it manually from the page then run that and either create a new instance somewhere as a portable or overwrite an existing portable.
The copy can then be used if you get trouble installing the master over a next.

I'm not sure if this thread subject name is still part of the same actual problem reported.
The issue with next updates is that the download and install code changed meaning that the only way to continue to get updates that will work is to manually update it so the new code is in the working version.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Master snapshot is only 540k


Can you explain how you'd revert back from a portable copy? my copy of the next snap failed to update yesterday. Thanks.

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My answer nowadays is to use the next snap, and use master as my installed copy. As long as you have a portable copy of the release version you can always revert back.
That way the updates arrive automatically via the snap internal downloader for both versions as Next now no longer uses the browser to download new versions.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene New Zealand" <hurrikennyandopo@...>
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Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 7:32 AM
Subject: [nvda] Master snapshot is only 540k


Hi guys


is the servers playing up? For the last couple of days i have been trying to download a master snapshot and each time it comes down it is only about 540k. Is the server playing up? for when i go to click on it up comes a security smart screen I think it is the windows one.


I am also wondering if things have changed like it is a stub then it gets the main file? I am guessing not.


I usually like once a week to see what might of gone into it each week.


Has any one else had the same problems?


This was doing it from inside of the master snapshot under the help section.


I have also tried it from the main page and still got the same results.


This was again on feb 18th and also tried on the 17th


Gene nz


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Re: qbittorrent was Re: [nvda] usable torrent client recommendations?

Gene
 

A search of the archives shows this page with lots of messages shown from this thread.  You may follow the link to the one you think might take you closest to the part you are interested in.
I haven't looked extensively but this appears to be about where you might find what you want in the thread:
 
Gene
----- Original message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: qbittorrent was Re: [nvda] usable torrent client recommendations?

I'd have to do more checking.  perhaps, for some reason, this thread isn't known to google yet.  I did a search for the previous subject line, which was usable torrent client recommendation followed by nvda and another search for the same subject line followed by nvdagroups.io to make it more likely that archive searches would show up early in the results.  I found nothing.  but there has been no decline in Google.  I use it almost every day and I've seen no decline.
 
Gene
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Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 11:24 AM
Subject: qbittorrent was Re: [nvda] usable torrent client recommendations?

I just installed qbittorrent.  Unfortunately, I didn't keep the email about
how to make the transfer treeview accessible.  I googled it, but only got a
page full of sponsored content and forum posts about nvidia stuff.  Google
seems to be less now than it once was.  IE, NVDA and NVidia are not the
same thing, sighs.

I can use object navigation to see what's in the tree, but given hundreds
of torrents, looking at each piece of info individually for each one is
possibly not the most efficient way.

Thanks.

Erik


On February 19, 2018 5:47:43 AM "Simone Dal Maso"
<simone.dalmaso@...> wrote:

Hello,
I use qBitTorrent.
The problem is landing in the download area to check what is happening,
but it is free without ads and after having configured it one time it works.



Il 16/02/2018 22:55, JM Casey ha scritto:
> Hello everyone.
>
> I have been using Utorrent, or Mu-torrent, as it is sometimes called. I
> ended up with some build of 3.5 on this Windows 10 machine. It is not
> totally unusable, but the ads have a tendency to get stuck and crash the
> program. It also causes firefox to crash on a semi-regular basis. I was
> even willing to “upgrade to pro”, to get rid of the ads, but clicking on
> the link takes me to some silly games page, and while I’m sure it’s
> possible to get to the correct page from there, I got this inexplicable
> impression that the developers did not actually want me to upgrade the
> software at all, since they make the path so cryptic. In short, I think
> I would feel more comfortable with a different client altogether. Of
> course, I am looking for one that is very configurable and which plays
> nice with NVDA. Have you fine folks any suggestions? Thanks in advance.
>
>









Re: qbittorrent was Re: [nvda] usable torrent client recommendations?

Gene
 

I'd have to do more checking.  perhaps, for some reason, this thread isn't known to google yet.  I did a search for the previous subject line, which was usable torrent client recommendation followed by nvda and another search for the same subject line followed by nvdagroups.io to make it more likely that archive searches would show up early in the results.  I found nothing.  but there has been no decline in Google.  I use it almost every day and I've seen no decline.
 
Gene

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Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 11:24 AM
Subject: qbittorrent was Re: [nvda] usable torrent client recommendations?

I just installed qbittorrent.  Unfortunately, I didn't keep the email about
how to make the transfer treeview accessible.  I googled it, but only got a
page full of sponsored content and forum posts about nvidia stuff.  Google
seems to be less now than it once was.  IE, NVDA and NVidia are not the
same thing, sighs.

I can use object navigation to see what's in the tree, but given hundreds
of torrents, looking at each piece of info individually for each one is
possibly not the most efficient way.

Thanks.

Erik


On February 19, 2018 5:47:43 AM "Simone Dal Maso"
<simone.dalmaso@...> wrote:

Hello,
I use qBitTorrent.
The problem is landing in the download area to check what is happening,
but it is free without ads and after having configured it one time it works.



Il 16/02/2018 22:55, JM Casey ha scritto:
> Hello everyone.
>
> I have been using Utorrent, or Mu-torrent, as it is sometimes called. I
> ended up with some build of 3.5 on this Windows 10 machine. It is not
> totally unusable, but the ads have a tendency to get stuck and crash the
> program. It also causes firefox to crash on a semi-regular basis. I was
> even willing to “upgrade to pro”, to get rid of the ads, but clicking on
> the link takes me to some silly games page, and while I’m sure it’s
> possible to get to the correct page from there, I got this inexplicable
> impression that the developers did not actually want me to upgrade the
> software at all, since they make the path so cryptic. In short, I think
> I would feel more comfortable with a different client altogether. Of
> course, I am looking for one that is very configurable and which plays
> nice with NVDA. Have you fine folks any suggestions? Thanks in advance.
>
>









Re: qbittorrent was Re: [nvda] usable torrent client recommendations?

Gene
 

Google isn't less than it was.  I don't know what you searched for or how, nor what results might be available on the topic, but speculating about a decline in quality based on one search has no basis. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 11:24 AM
Subject: qbittorrent was Re: [nvda] usable torrent client recommendations?

I just installed qbittorrent.  Unfortunately, I didn't keep the email about
how to make the transfer treeview accessible.  I googled it, but only got a
page full of sponsored content and forum posts about nvidia stuff.  Google
seems to be less now than it once was.  IE, NVDA and NVidia are not the
same thing, sighs.

I can use object navigation to see what's in the tree, but given hundreds
of torrents, looking at each piece of info individually for each one is
possibly not the most efficient way.

Thanks.

Erik


On February 19, 2018 5:47:43 AM "Simone Dal Maso"
<simone.dalmaso@...> wrote:

Hello,
I use qBitTorrent.
The problem is landing in the download area to check what is happening,
but it is free without ads and after having configured it one time it works.



Il 16/02/2018 22:55, JM Casey ha scritto:
> Hello everyone.
>
> I have been using Utorrent, or Mu-torrent, as it is sometimes called. I
> ended up with some build of 3.5 on this Windows 10 machine. It is not
> totally unusable, but the ads have a tendency to get stuck and crash the
> program. It also causes firefox to crash on a semi-regular basis. I was
> even willing to “upgrade to pro”, to get rid of the ads, but clicking on
> the link takes me to some silly games page, and while I’m sure it’s
> possible to get to the correct page from there, I got this inexplicable
> impression that the developers did not actually want me to upgrade the
> software at all, since they make the path so cryptic. In short, I think
> I would feel more comfortable with a different client altogether. Of
> course, I am looking for one that is very configurable and which plays
> nice with NVDA. Have you fine folks any suggestions? Thanks in advance.
>
>









qbittorrent was Re: [nvda] usable torrent client recommendations?

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

I just installed qbittorrent. Unfortunately, I didn't keep the email about how to make the transfer treeview accessible. I googled it, but only got a page full of sponsored content and forum posts about nvidia stuff. Google seems to be less now than it once was. IE, NVDA and NVidia are not the same thing, sighs.

I can use object navigation to see what's in the tree, but given hundreds of torrents, looking at each piece of info individually for each one is possibly not the most efficient way.

Thanks.

Erik

On February 19, 2018 5:47:43 AM "Simone Dal Maso" <simone.dalmaso@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello,
I use qBitTorrent.
The problem is landing in the download area to check what is happening,
but it is free without ads and after having configured it one time it works.



Il 16/02/2018 22:55, JM Casey ha scritto:
Hello everyone.

I have been using Utorrent, or Mu-torrent, as it is sometimes called. I
ended up with some build of 3.5 on this Windows 10 machine. It is not
totally unusable, but the ads have a tendency to get stuck and crash the
program. It also causes firefox to crash on a semi-regular basis. I was
even willing to “upgrade to pro”, to get rid of the ads, but clicking on
the link takes me to some silly games page, and while I’m sure it’s
possible to get to the correct page from there, I got this inexplicable
impression that the developers did not actually want me to upgrade the
software at all, since they make the path so cryptic. In short, I think
I would feel more comfortable with a different client altogether. Of
course, I am looking for one that is very configurable and which plays
nice with NVDA. Have you fine folks any suggestions? Thanks in advance.


Re: Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, David,

Microsoft David's pretty good. I like the Mark voice too.

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of James
Robinson
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: blindtech@groups.io; win10@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA

Hello!

You know, I have had it with this CodeFactory thing of deactivating
constantly. I checked out one of the Microsoft voices they have in NVDA and
this voice is not too bad; it is not as clear as Eloquence or the Vocalizer
Expressive voices, but it is a little better than the standard NVDA voice in
my opinion. I think CodeFactory could make this program permanent with NVDA
as it is with other screen readers. They end up making the program far too
much trouble to use in NVDA than it is worth. I'll just eat the cost
because I don't expect them to do anything about the crazy requirements for
using the voices. I'll thkink twice before I purchase such software in the
future.

Can we use any other Microsoft voices that windows offers? If so, how do we
do it?

James Robinson


Re: accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:

 

okay,
i downloaded and tested slimjet,
but its not accessible unfortunately.
only some menus are accessible, but reading web pages and using
navigation quick keys is impossible.
only i could use tab and nvda reads link!
when i press enter on a link, it opens, but nvda cant read the content.
i found another browser which based on chrome titled vivaldi.
is it accessible?
sorry, its based on chromium engine.
has anyone experience using these browsers?

On 2/19/18, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
gene,
when for example: i want to download nvda or any other software in
firefox, it asks me whether i want to open this file, run or save it.
but about multimedia files, new browser open them by default without
asking whether i want to open them or download them.
this problem can be resolved completely by changing about:config
settings of firefox,
but about google chrome, it has not complete solution unfortunately
and wished that test other chrome based browser like slimjet or
chromium.

On 2/19/18, zahra a <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
adobe acrobat does not support persian very well, moreover, its not
free and for the sanctions against iran and reading license of adobe,
i realy dont trust this company!

On 2/19/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I haven't tried those versions of Chrome, but why not ask if such
settings
are available in Chrome? I don't know if they are or not but they
either
may be or there may be another way to do what you want in Chrome.
That's
true for Firefox as well. Also, I'm not sure what you want to do. You
appear to want to be able to save multimedia files without them opening
in
Chrome or Firefox. As I said, there may be ways to do these things you
don't know about in both browsers even if there are no settings. I
can't
discuss multimedia files in part because I'm not sure just what kinds of
files you are discussing and I may not have tried to save those
filetypes..
But in terms of files such as audio files like MP3s, in Firefox, once
the
file starts to play in the browser, you can save it by issuing the
command
control s, then using the save as dialog that opens. I wouldn't be
surprised if that is true in Chrome as well.

Please explain what you want to do in detail so people can address it.

You may want to live in the technological past indefinitely but you
can't
unless you want to be increasingly unable to do things you do now and
limited in things you may want to do in future.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:


i did not say that chrome is not accessible, reading web pages and for
example gmail, is completely accessible and the quick navigation keys
are like firefox.
but its not very accessible for my need in customization and changing
settings!
in firefox is about:config
which has thousands of options and i could easily set firefox
according to my desire,
i searched google and found hidden options in chrome.
but could not find anything that wished to find!
about automatic openning multimedia files, its not just happen on my
system,
even this feature is on by default and by the grace of God, i could
find it in about:config
if i could not find this option for my firefox, i kept firefox 25
forever without update!
because this problem happened since firefox 26 that does not allow
downloading multimedia files without changing settings in about:config
by the way, did you try chromium and slimjet which i asked about them?

On 2/19/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
Please don't assume that because you can't do something, that it can't
be
done and that, if you don't fully understand an unfamiliar interface,
that
it is inaccessible or can't be worked with. As far as updates are
concerned, you can't avoid updates because Chrome automatically
updates.
But
that doesn't matter in your case. You use XP and Google Chrome, the
browser, hasn't been updated for XP for perhaps almost a year. In
addition,
the settings, or almost all of them, I haven't checked every one, are
accessible, or at least can be worked with. You have to do certain
things
to be able to work with some of them such as manually turn off and on
browse
mode. The program isn't as accessible as it should be but there is a
difference between accessibility and usability and a lot of programs
are
very usable, even though not fully accessible. Chrome is largely
accessible
and is very usable, though not completely everything is. But it's
usable
enough so that almost everything desired can be done except in the case
of
add ons which may not be accessible, but that's the fault of the add on
designer.

I'm going into all this mainly because your message may, if not
discussed,
mslead others into believing Chrome is not usable and is not reasonably
accessible. I don't particularly like the interface but the program is
reasonably accessible and quite usable.

As far as playing audio files, Chrome does play audio. I don't know if
it
plays what you are trying to play. I don't know what you are having
problems with but please don't state things as though they are facts
based
on only your experience with an unfamiliar program. It's perfectly
alright
to say, I couldn't get it to do this or that. That doesn't mean it
can't
be
done.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 8:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:


hello every one.
as my language is persian
and did not find and there is no one offline program for reading pdf
files in persian language except chrome, i decided to download chrome.
i realy did not like it,
its less accessible than firefox in using settings.
i could not change it to not update automaticly,
dont play audio and video files which i want to download.
openning files after download etc.
so, i wished to try other browsers based on chrome like chromium and
slimjet.
did any of you test these browsers?
are they supported screen readers?
do they the problems that i mentioned for those, i dont like chrome or
not.
i appreciate any of your help, sincerely pray for you and God bless you
all!

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org


Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA

James Robinson
 

Hello!

You know, I have had it with this CodeFactory thing of deactivating
constantly. I checked out one of the Microsoft voices they have in NVDA and
this voice is not too bad; it is not as clear as Eloquence or the Vocalizer
Expressive voices, but it is a little better than the standard NVDA voice in
my opinion. I think CodeFactory could make this program permanent with NVDA
as it is with other screen readers. They end up making the program far too
much trouble to use in NVDA than it is worth. I'll just eat the cost
because I don't expect them to do anything about the crazy requirements for
using the voices. I'll thkink twice before I purchase such software in the
future.

Can we use any other Microsoft voices that windows offers? If so, how do we
do it?

James Robinson


Re: accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:

 

gene,
when for example: i want to download nvda or any other software in
firefox, it asks me whether i want to open this file, run or save it.
but about multimedia files, new browser open them by default without
asking whether i want to open them or download them.
this problem can be resolved completely by changing about:config
settings of firefox,
but about google chrome, it has not complete solution unfortunately
and wished that test other chrome based browser like slimjet or
chromium.

On 2/19/18, zahra a <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
adobe acrobat does not support persian very well, moreover, its not
free and for the sanctions against iran and reading license of adobe,
i realy dont trust this company!

On 2/19/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I haven't tried those versions of Chrome, but why not ask if such
settings
are available in Chrome? I don't know if they are or not but they either
may be or there may be another way to do what you want in Chrome. That's
true for Firefox as well. Also, I'm not sure what you want to do. You
appear to want to be able to save multimedia files without them opening
in
Chrome or Firefox. As I said, there may be ways to do these things you
don't know about in both browsers even if there are no settings. I can't
discuss multimedia files in part because I'm not sure just what kinds of
files you are discussing and I may not have tried to save those
filetypes..
But in terms of files such as audio files like MP3s, in Firefox, once the
file starts to play in the browser, you can save it by issuing the
command
control s, then using the save as dialog that opens. I wouldn't be
surprised if that is true in Chrome as well.

Please explain what you want to do in detail so people can address it.

You may want to live in the technological past indefinitely but you can't
unless you want to be increasingly unable to do things you do now and
limited in things you may want to do in future.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:


i did not say that chrome is not accessible, reading web pages and for
example gmail, is completely accessible and the quick navigation keys
are like firefox.
but its not very accessible for my need in customization and changing
settings!
in firefox is about:config
which has thousands of options and i could easily set firefox
according to my desire,
i searched google and found hidden options in chrome.
but could not find anything that wished to find!
about automatic openning multimedia files, its not just happen on my
system,
even this feature is on by default and by the grace of God, i could
find it in about:config
if i could not find this option for my firefox, i kept firefox 25
forever without update!
because this problem happened since firefox 26 that does not allow
downloading multimedia files without changing settings in about:config
by the way, did you try chromium and slimjet which i asked about them?

On 2/19/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
Please don't assume that because you can't do something, that it can't
be
done and that, if you don't fully understand an unfamiliar interface,
that
it is inaccessible or can't be worked with. As far as updates are
concerned, you can't avoid updates because Chrome automatically updates.
But
that doesn't matter in your case. You use XP and Google Chrome, the
browser, hasn't been updated for XP for perhaps almost a year. In
addition,
the settings, or almost all of them, I haven't checked every one, are
accessible, or at least can be worked with. You have to do certain
things
to be able to work with some of them such as manually turn off and on
browse
mode. The program isn't as accessible as it should be but there is a
difference between accessibility and usability and a lot of programs are
very usable, even though not fully accessible. Chrome is largely
accessible
and is very usable, though not completely everything is. But it's
usable
enough so that almost everything desired can be done except in the case
of
add ons which may not be accessible, but that's the fault of the add on
designer.

I'm going into all this mainly because your message may, if not
discussed,
mslead others into believing Chrome is not usable and is not reasonably
accessible. I don't particularly like the interface but the program is
reasonably accessible and quite usable.

As far as playing audio files, Chrome does play audio. I don't know if
it
plays what you are trying to play. I don't know what you are having
problems with but please don't state things as though they are facts
based
on only your experience with an unfamiliar program. It's perfectly
alright
to say, I couldn't get it to do this or that. That doesn't mean it
can't
be
done.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 8:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:


hello every one.
as my language is persian
and did not find and there is no one offline program for reading pdf
files in persian language except chrome, i decided to download chrome.
i realy did not like it,
its less accessible than firefox in using settings.
i could not change it to not update automaticly,
dont play audio and video files which i want to download.
openning files after download etc.
so, i wished to try other browsers based on chrome like chromium and
slimjet.
did any of you test these browsers?
are they supported screen readers?
do they the problems that i mentioned for those, i dont like chrome or
not.
i appreciate any of your help, sincerely pray for you and God bless you
all!

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org


Re: accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:

 

adobe acrobat does not support persian very well, moreover, its not
free and for the sanctions against iran and reading license of adobe,
i realy dont trust this company!

On 2/19/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I haven't tried those versions of Chrome, but why not ask if such settings
are available in Chrome? I don't know if they are or not but they either
may be or there may be another way to do what you want in Chrome. That's
true for Firefox as well. Also, I'm not sure what you want to do. You
appear to want to be able to save multimedia files without them opening in
Chrome or Firefox. As I said, there may be ways to do these things you
don't know about in both browsers even if there are no settings. I can't
discuss multimedia files in part because I'm not sure just what kinds of
files you are discussing and I may not have tried to save those filetypes..
But in terms of files such as audio files like MP3s, in Firefox, once the
file starts to play in the browser, you can save it by issuing the command
control s, then using the save as dialog that opens. I wouldn't be
surprised if that is true in Chrome as well.

Please explain what you want to do in detail so people can address it.

You may want to live in the technological past indefinitely but you can't
unless you want to be increasingly unable to do things you do now and
limited in things you may want to do in future.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:


i did not say that chrome is not accessible, reading web pages and for
example gmail, is completely accessible and the quick navigation keys
are like firefox.
but its not very accessible for my need in customization and changing
settings!
in firefox is about:config
which has thousands of options and i could easily set firefox
according to my desire,
i searched google and found hidden options in chrome.
but could not find anything that wished to find!
about automatic openning multimedia files, its not just happen on my
system,
even this feature is on by default and by the grace of God, i could
find it in about:config
if i could not find this option for my firefox, i kept firefox 25
forever without update!
because this problem happened since firefox 26 that does not allow
downloading multimedia files without changing settings in about:config
by the way, did you try chromium and slimjet which i asked about them?

On 2/19/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
Please don't assume that because you can't do something, that it can't be
done and that, if you don't fully understand an unfamiliar interface,
that
it is inaccessible or can't be worked with. As far as updates are
concerned, you can't avoid updates because Chrome automatically updates.
But
that doesn't matter in your case. You use XP and Google Chrome, the
browser, hasn't been updated for XP for perhaps almost a year. In
addition,
the settings, or almost all of them, I haven't checked every one, are
accessible, or at least can be worked with. You have to do certain
things
to be able to work with some of them such as manually turn off and on
browse
mode. The program isn't as accessible as it should be but there is a
difference between accessibility and usability and a lot of programs are
very usable, even though not fully accessible. Chrome is largely
accessible
and is very usable, though not completely everything is. But it's usable
enough so that almost everything desired can be done except in the case
of
add ons which may not be accessible, but that's the fault of the add on
designer.

I'm going into all this mainly because your message may, if not
discussed,
mslead others into believing Chrome is not usable and is not reasonably
accessible. I don't particularly like the interface but the program is
reasonably accessible and quite usable.

As far as playing audio files, Chrome does play audio. I don't know if
it
plays what you are trying to play. I don't know what you are having
problems with but please don't state things as though they are facts
based
on only your experience with an unfamiliar program. It's perfectly
alright
to say, I couldn't get it to do this or that. That doesn't mean it can't
be
done.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 8:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] accessibility of other browsers for nvda users:


hello every one.
as my language is persian
and did not find and there is no one offline program for reading pdf
files in persian language except chrome, i decided to download chrome.
i realy did not like it,
its less accessible than firefox in using settings.
i could not change it to not update automaticly,
dont play audio and video files which i want to download.
openning files after download etc.
so, i wished to try other browsers based on chrome like chromium and
slimjet.
did any of you test these browsers?
are they supported screen readers?
do they the problems that i mentioned for those, i dont like chrome or
not.
i appreciate any of your help, sincerely pray for you and God bless you
all!

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org