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Re: A strange problem with excel2016

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These are comments, right?
I see an issue about this problem has been raised. I don't use it myself, but a poke around in github might tell you why its happening if nothing else.
I suspect its another UIA bug in Windows.
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From: "abdul muhamin" <abdulmuhamin600@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2018 12:19 AM
Subject: [nvda] A strange problem with excel2016


Hi all. Hope all are doing well, I’m using NVDA2017.4, the problem is that. When I open excel sheet, and type something in the cells. The NVDA getting stucked all the time. I tried uninstalling windows and office, but nothing happens. What could be the problem? It disturbs me specially in the class. Whating for your valuable replys, thanks

Regards, Chief content officer at BlindHelp.net


Re: usable torrent client recommendations?

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I have to say, on my working machine I will not use a torrent client. I keep mine on an old xp machine and only let it on the net after fully checking what has come down when its finished.
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From: "JM Casey" <crystallogic@ca.inter.net>
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Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] usable torrent client recommendations?


Thanks, Chris. I did used to have a much better time with uTorrent when I was using XP. Can’t remember what version I had then, but it had no ads and almost never crashed. So, if noone else has any ideas, I guess I will just take the version downgrade. I know there are a lot of other clients out there but I don’t really want to waste too much time fiddling around trying to find one I like and which is properly accessible.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris via Groups.Io
Sent: February 16, 2018 5:13 PM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] usable torrent client recommendations?



Use an older version of utorrent

I use 1.8.5 and it works fine no problem no ads

Just disable updates and you good to go





From: JM Casey <mailto:crystallogic@ca.inter.net>
Sent: 16 February 2018 21:56
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] usable torrent client recommendations?



Hello everyone.



I have been using Utorrent, or Mu-torrent, as it is sometimes called. I ended up with some build of 3.5 on this Windows 10 machine. It is not totally unusable, but the ads have a tendency to get stuck and crash the program. It also causes firefox to crash on a semi-regular basis. I was even willing to “upgrade to pro”, to get rid of the ads, but clicking on the link takes me to some silly games page, and while I’m sure it’s possible to get to the correct page from there, I got this inexplicable impression that the developers did not actually want me to upgrade the software at all, since they make the path so cryptic. In short, I think I would feel more comfortable with a different client altogether. Of course, I am looking for one that is very configurable and which plays nice with NVDA. Have you fine folks any suggestions? Thanks in advance.


Re: Phasing out of 7

Gene
 

What do you mean by an overview?  If you mean someone has to tell you what to look for and how to find and take actions, that is a real overgeneralization.  It depends on your level of knowledge, and on your ability to figure things out.  Many people don'tg have good training in Windows and Windows programs so change is much more difficult for them to deal with.  They learn things largely by rote and don't know how to find things well in a new interface.  Some people have problems conceptualizing interfaces.  But to speak in broad generalizaqtions such as that we need these things, as though it is necessary just because it is is not accurate and may encourage some people not to aspire to develop or even know the sk9ills I'm talking about exist.
 
Gene

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Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2018 4:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

I think sometimes it really does take us longer to get to grips with change,
as we need an overview to know what we are dealing with. its a bit like
returning to an old familiar place only to find all the landmarks are gone
or moved. First of all you have no idea of whether to look for something
being moved or just taken away, and since you have no overview, you really
need some explanation or a tactile map first. So it is with new interfaces
to familiar programs or webmail interfaces.
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From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7


Hi, Gene,



I was talking about people who resist change. I do understand that in some
cases, change might not be good. For instance, I did try the Walmart site
but found it very hard to work with. I tried it with object navigation and
couldn't get it to work. I called the people in charge and they really
weren't too helpful. I should have made myself clearer by saying that I was
talking about people who don't want to try to learn new things.



Rosemarie

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 12:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7



How do you adapt to change if a program becomes inaccessible or largely so,
and you can't use other methods, such as object navigation to access it?
That has been happening increasingly frequently.   Your faith in writing to
developers is by no means going to accomplish anything.  Of course people
should write to developers.  Don't you think that if it were more effective
than on a hit and miss basis, that a lot of programs that are now
inaccessible wouldn't be?



You said we all must adapt to change.  What does that mean and under what
circumstances should or must we adapt?  these are broad unexplained and
undefined statements.



If something someone uses meets their needs, then they don't have to change
anything.  If someone has nees that aren't being met, then, if they want to
meet those needs, they have to adapt to change if useable or accessible
programs or operating systems are available.



A lot of blind people receive poor instruction in Windows and in Windows
programs.  They learn by rote so that changes that could be either easily or
rather easily accomodated by others who are well taught are major problems
for them.



Gene

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From: Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>

Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 2:01 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7



Hi,



Maybe what I said is a bit harsh but I can understand why some people can't
change. Maybe for financial reasons they're not able to upgrade to windows 7
or 10 and I do get it. As far as people who are afraid of change, no, that
doesn't make them less valuable than the rest of us. All I'm getting at is
that one should write to a developer whether it's microsoft or some other
company about trying to make something more accessible. I realize change can
be hard but we do have to eventually adapt to it. I didn't mean to come off
as being harsh.



Rosemarie



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[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 10:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7



Hi!

Wow, makes me feel glad to be working in an environment where nobody gets
fired right on the spot for voicing a valid complaint.

What makes you assume that someone pointing out accessibility flaws doesn't
have a life? That's a pretty generalizing statement from my standpoint, and
I'd love to understand the underlying logic before dismissing it as
simplistic and/or impolite.

Also, is it valid at this point to assume that if someone is afraid of
losing access to something, they are automatically afraid of change in
general? I don't see how that follows. Even if someone were afraid of
change, would that disqualify them as a valuable human being?

Finally, you mention the paradigm of shaping up or shipping out. Let's say
some software gets replaced and the new version has serious accessibility
flaws making it impossible for someone to be as productive as before, what
exactly would shaping up consist of?

Looking forward to some fruitful discourse.
Best regards,

Felix



Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...
<mailto:knitqueen2007@...> > schrieb am Fr., 16. Feb. 2018 um 18:43
Uhr:

Hi, Michael,



You're darn right that no employer would put up with whining and complaining
from any employee whether blind or sighted. They'd be fired right on the
spot! I don't know why some people are afraid of change. As I always say,
it's time to get a life. Like the old saying goes, shape up or ship out.



Rosemarie



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> ] On Behalf Of
Michael Capelle
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 6:45 AM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7



Hey there.

i do agree with a few things here.

we, blind or not, have to get used to change, whether we like it or not.

if we had a job, and they upgraded there systems, do you think whining and
complaining would get you anywhere?

no, it would get you fired.

we have to get with the times, it is just how life is.





From: Lino Morales <mailto:linomorales001@...>

Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 7:40 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7



Clare I’ll have to break it to you gently as a good favorite country song of
mine is called. You are going to have to upgrade to WIN 10 32 or 64 bit in
the future. I don’t think its cute that other blind people etc. are putting
up Skype V 7.x on Dropbox etc. Folks get a life and get a grip. This version
of Skype will die and you must move forward like or lump it. Yeah MS didn’t
ask us about how we feel about this and they never will. And for the record
this tread is getting old like sour milk. So with that being said put up or
shut up and send feedback to MS to make the current iderations of Skype on
all platforms accessible. Peace out and I’m done. Grow up folks!



Lino Morales



From: Clare Page <mailto:clare.page@...>
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7



Hi!
I've been reading this thread about the phasing out of Skype 7, which is
already getting quite long, with interest, as I've been using Skype for
nearly ten year snow, and I don't want to give up on it if I don't
absolutely have to.
As I write this, Skype 7.40 still works on my 64-bit Windows 7 PC, but,
judging from what I've read lately, it is hard to guess how much longer
Skype 7 will still exist. Some people say Skype 7's days are numbered,
others say there has been a glitch which caused problems with Skype 7 and
made it impossible for some of its users to log in for a while, but I'm not
totally sure which to believe: both might be true, for all I know.
It's great that there are accessible alternatives to Skype out there, and
that Windows 10 users also have the option of using Skype UWP, the Skype
version from the Windows Store. But what will the rest of us NVDA users do,
those who don't have Windows 10 and want to stick with Skype for whatever
reason, when Skype 7 no longer works? That is bound to happen one day.
I'm sad to say I have not yet heard any word from the NVDA developers about
any work on Skype 8 to make it more accessible with NVDA in the future. Will
future versions of NVDA support Skype 8 without the need for add-ons, or is
there the possibility of an add-on being produced for Skype 8 to help us
until the stable version of NVDA fully supports the new Skype for desktop?
If there are any developers reading this who can answer the above questions,
or tell us anything else about the current situation where Skype 8 and NVDA
are concerned, I'm sure I am not the only one who would be happy to hear
from them on this list.
Thanks in advance for any answers to my questions, whatever they say.
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: vendredi 16 février 2018 06:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7


This is the link I got from the net
http://download.skyprivate.com/skype/win/SkypeSetupFull.exe
Weather this is the latest version is unknown though.
filehipo has a version of skype classic to.
I have backups on my dropbox which is fine however if I share my links
dropbox is only a free account.

On 16/02/2018 5:52 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
> Dear friend, can you share the link for us?
> As far as my self is concern, only ninite does have Skype classic!
> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
> Charlsdarwin1
>
>
> Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
> At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
> You can contact me via gmail:
> inamuddin09@... <mailto:inamuddin09@...>
> Inamuddin.ronaque@... <mailto:Inamuddin.ronaque@...>
> outlook:
> inam092@... <mailto:inam092@...>
> yahoo:
> inamuddin2010@... <mailto:inamuddin2010@...>
> Add my Skype ID:
> charlsdarwin1
> Meet me on facebook:
> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786 <http://www.facebook.com/inamuddin786>
> Follow me on my twitter ID:
> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1 <http://www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1>
> Call me on my cell numbers:
> +92-300-2227598 <tel:+92%20300%202227598>
> +92-334-3348409 <tel:+92%20334%203348409>
>
> From: Shaun Everiss
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:38 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>
> Well if they would improve skype 8 to be more accessible or improve
> skype app so that some of the good features of skype 7 are ported over
> thats all we ask.
>
> Now it does appear that the download links for skype classic have
> changed, I have found 1 link to get skype classic, but to be honest,
> its really not skype classic users want, I don't really want skype
> classic, I just want to use the latest skype in an accessible way.
>
> Hmmm, there is a thought I wander if I was a skype insider, I wander
> if that would change things some.
>
>
>
>
> On 16/02/2018 2:14 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
>> Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I did talk with the team of
>> Skype support and I expressed all of my concerns regarding accessibility
>> and screen reader related things and He told me that Microsoft is not
>> forcing people to use modern Skype as long as they will remove all of our
>> concerns.
>> Further more He said that we can use Skype classic as long as that
>> version is installed in our machines.
>> He said that if anyone of you is facing any kind of problem using Skype
>> classic, feel free to contact Skype support and they will always be
>> reading to fix the issue whatever you people have regarding the use of
>> Skype classic.
>> That’s what the result of conversation between me and Skype support team
>> but as far as my opinion is concern, Microsoft is secretly forcing us to
>> switch over from Skype classic to either Skype 8 for those who are using
>> less than windows 10 or Skype app for windows 10 for those who are using
>> windows 10.
>> To my best knowledge if we all screen reader users regardless of what
>> screen reader we are using continue to connect to Microsoft disability
>> answer desk and with the help of them if we continue to connect to Skype
>> support team and if we continue to voice our concern, at the end of the
>> day our concerns will be heard and will be removed as well!
>> There is a need of unity among users of screen reader users.
>> It is not the time to argue a screen reader against a screen reader that
>> which one is better, it is the time to show solidarity and unity of
>> visually challenged people to Microsoft in order to rescue Skype from
>> dying!
>> HTH
>> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
>> Charlsdarwin1
>>
>>
>> Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
>> At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
>> You can contact me via gmail:
>> inamuddin09@... <mailto:inamuddin09@...>
>> Inamuddin.ronaque@... <mailto:Inamuddin.ronaque@...>
>> outlook:
>> inam092@... <mailto:inam092@...>
>> yahoo:
>> inamuddin2010@... <mailto:inamuddin2010@...>
>> Add my Skype ID:
>> charlsdarwin1
>> Meet me on facebook:
>> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786 <http://www.facebook.com/inamuddin786>
>> Follow me on my twitter ID:
>> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1 <http://www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1>
>> Call me on my cell numbers:
>> +92-300-2227598 <tel:+92%20300%202227598>
>> +92-334-3348409 <tel:+92%20334%203348409>
>>
>> From: Shaun Everiss
>> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 4:26 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>
>> What bar skype chatting services are usefull on pc that my family can
>> use, can google hangouts work for pc, or what.
>>
>> I have 1 friend on zello but I havn't really used it.
>>
>> Everyone I know have whats app skype or facetime but well for me
>> skype is used a lot and the family well.
>>
>> When is skype to not nolonger be supported as a valid version of skype?
>>
>> If it goes I guess I will have to try to use 8 and the universal app.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16/02/2018 4:23 a.m., Michael Capelle wrote:
>>> I don’t blame you, now with facetime, google hangouts, etc, skype really
>>> has died.
>>>
>>> From: Damien Garwood
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 9:22 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I’ll be abandoning Skype when 7 dies as well. I’ve had a mess with 8,
>>> and as far as I’m concerned, it stinks.
>>> It’s a shame though. While I also have a TeamTalk server, and while the
>>> quality is indeed a lot better, TeamTalk is meant, A, for teams, and B,
>>> not for telephony. To use TeamTalk as a substitute for Skype would be a
>>> pain, since someone would first have to contact you by other means to
>>> ask you to come on TT, something which obviously isn’t necessary with
>>> Skype.
>>> Not only that, but perhaps the biggest issue is that Skype was my
>>> primary telephone.
>>> So yeah. Going Skypeless will indeed take a lot of getting used to.
>>> I can’t ever see me going back to Skype. Crashes, accessibility
>>> shortfalls and process hogging are only the primary issues. And there’s
>>> me thinking Skype could never be any slower and broken than it already
>>> was in 7.
>>> Cheers.
>>> Damien.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Michael Capelle
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:17 PM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> i agree, i only use team talk, as i have my own server, and the quality
>>> is much better.
>>> e-mail me off list if you wish to join my server.
>>>
>>> From: Robert Kingett
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:15 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> Subject: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> The below page from Doug lee explains the phasing out of Skype 7 in
>>> favor of Skype 8 or the Universal App on windows 10. I have no idea what
>>> you folks on XP will do, but I stopped using Skype in favor of team talk
>>> anyway.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.dlee.org/skype/skype7phaseout.htm#what
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>












Re: usable torrent client recommendations?

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Yes indeed. The problem though is that torrents generally are laden with malware. One needs to be very careful. Obviously we cannot condone breaking copyright with this mode of distributing software, but like everywhere else on the internet there are villains out there.
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Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] usable torrent client recommendations?


Use an older version of utorrent
I use 1.8.5 and it works fine no problem no ads
Just disable updates and you good to go


From: JM Casey
Sent: 16 February 2018 21:56
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] usable torrent client recommendations?

Hello everyone.

I have been using Utorrent, or Mu-torrent, as it is sometimes called. I ended up with some build of 3.5 on this Windows 10 machine. It is not totally unusable, but the ads have a tendency to get stuck and crash the program. It also causes firefox to crash on a semi-regular basis. I was even willing to “upgrade to pro”, to get rid of the ads, but clicking on the link takes me to some silly games page, and while I’m sure it’s possible to get to the correct page from there, I got this inexplicable impression that the developers did not actually want me to upgrade the software at all, since they make the path so cryptic. In short, I think I would feel more comfortable with a different client altogether. Of course, I am looking for one that is very configurable and which plays nice with NVDA. Have you fine folks any suggestions? Thanks in advance.


Re: python development

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I think mostly in text editors but of course they write in several languages and sometimes the built in tools are accessible and good so why not use them?
The best place to ask is the list where the devs are.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Hernandez" <juanhernandez98@gmail.com>
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Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 9:50 PM
Subject: [nvda] python development


HI All,



What do the nvda devs use to develop NVDA? Do they do their work in visual
studio, eclipse w/ pydev, text editors, the old fassioned way?



Best,



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Re: Earlier version working

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Well go back to before the update. That is often the only way, as failed updates can fail to register or even update some files and if one of them is used by nvda, then its broken and no knowledge of how to fix it means either a reinstall or to go back. I always take it back, then watch the update and see what its doing.
I never leave computers on when I'm not using them either too easy to get a drive by probe and a break in attempt by some nasty person.
Over the internet connection of course not in real life!

A friend of mine once set up a honey pot and got several attempts a night. dodgy. Brian

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Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Earlier version working


Well I am having an issue in certain apps that only started after I
upgraded my version of win 10 with NVDA. Switching to the snap shot of
NVDA didn't fix it. I can't see the menus in apps like TW blu,
goldwave, or reaper and teamtalk.

On 2/15/18, Debra Gardner <dgardner18@satx.rr.com> wrote:
Well, nothing I do since the windows update seems to work. Version 17.04 of

NVDA doesn't work. Windows updated itsle in the middle of the night and
evidently ran into a snag because NVDA started saying pause pause pause
pause pause and I couldn't get out of it and had to turn it off and reboot

manually. Very strange.

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Earlier version working

It used to be the second Tuesday in the month here but more recently they

are arriving on any old day even though its still set for Tuesday.
I seriously am suggesting that a feature in nvda to alert one of this
condition would be most appreciated.
Brian

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From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Earlier version working


Brian, I do know that wednesdays are at least for me in new zealand the
days updates happen.

So I usually get up at 6 am, turn on all the systems I can, and remote
into all the systems that are active, and update them all with all the
updates, by 7-7.30 updates come from ms and I update before I use the
system.




On 15/02/2018 5:14 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Windows did an update today, at least windows 7 did and itt was very
insistant, every time I told it to defer it it came back so I had to
close umpteen windows down after saving contents so it could restart.
One annoying thing about the restart of windows is that the window
opened that has the countdown is not opened in the forground, so very
often I've had the thing shut down while I was working on a document
meaning I had to recover it from a list afterwarrds.

Its a pity that nvda could not spot update windows and alert one to
their presence.
Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Earlier version working


I spoke too soon! I was enjoying having NVDA back and then windows did
an update and things are back to the way they were before. (frown)


From: Debra Gardner
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Earlier version working


Well, in frustration, I uninstalled the latest version of NVDA and
installed one from 2015. Voila! Everything is working. I don't know why.

No more unknowns and silences. Since it's an earlier version perhaps the

finer tunings don't work as well, but it's nice to have it back!










--
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Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762


Re: Phasing out of 7

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I think sometimes it really does take us longer to get to grips with change, as we need an overview to know what we are dealing with. its a bit like returning to an old familiar place only to find all the landmarks are gone or moved. First of all you have no idea of whether to look for something being moved or just taken away, and since you have no overview, you really need some explanation or a tactile map first. So it is with new interfaces to familiar programs or webmail interfaces.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7


Hi, Gene,



I was talking about people who resist change. I do understand that in some cases, change might not be good. For instance, I did try the Walmart site but found it very hard to work with. I tried it with object navigation and couldn't get it to work. I called the people in charge and they really weren't too helpful. I should have made myself clearer by saying that I was talking about people who don't want to try to learn new things.



Rosemarie

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 12:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7



How do you adapt to change if a program becomes inaccessible or largely so, and you can't use other methods, such as object navigation to access it? That has been happening increasingly frequently. Your faith in writing to developers is by no means going to accomplish anything. Of course people should write to developers. Don't you think that if it were more effective than on a hit and miss basis, that a lot of programs that are now inaccessible wouldn't be?



You said we all must adapt to change. What does that mean and under what circumstances should or must we adapt? these are broad unexplained and undefined statements.



If something someone uses meets their needs, then they don't have to change anything. If someone has nees that aren't being met, then, if they want to meet those needs, they have to adapt to change if useable or accessible programs or operating systems are available.



A lot of blind people receive poor instruction in Windows and in Windows programs. They learn by rote so that changes that could be either easily or rather easily accomodated by others who are well taught are major problems for them.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>

Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 2:01 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7



Hi,



Maybe what I said is a bit harsh but I can understand why some people can't change. Maybe for financial reasons they're not able to upgrade to windows 7 or 10 and I do get it. As far as people who are afraid of change, no, that doesn't make them less valuable than the rest of us. All I'm getting at is that one should write to a developer whether it's microsoft or some other company about trying to make something more accessible. I realize change can be hard but we do have to eventually adapt to it. I didn't mean to come off as being harsh.



Rosemarie



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 10:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7



Hi!

Wow, makes me feel glad to be working in an environment where nobody gets fired right on the spot for voicing a valid complaint.

What makes you assume that someone pointing out accessibility flaws doesn't have a life? That's a pretty generalizing statement from my standpoint, and I'd love to understand the underlying logic before dismissing it as simplistic and/or impolite.

Also, is it valid at this point to assume that if someone is afraid of losing access to something, they are automatically afraid of change in general? I don't see how that follows. Even if someone were afraid of change, would that disqualify them as a valuable human being?

Finally, you mention the paradigm of shaping up or shipping out. Let's say some software gets replaced and the new version has serious accessibility flaws making it impossible for someone to be as productive as before, what exactly would shaping up consist of?

Looking forward to some fruitful discourse.
Best regards,

Felix



Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com> > schrieb am Fr., 16. Feb. 2018 um 18:43 Uhr:

Hi, Michael,



You're darn right that no employer would put up with whining and complaining from any employee whether blind or sighted. They'd be fired right on the spot! I don't know why some people are afraid of change. As I always say, it's time to get a life. Like the old saying goes, shape up or ship out.



Rosemarie



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> ] On Behalf Of Michael Capelle
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 6:45 AM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7



Hey there.

i do agree with a few things here.

we, blind or not, have to get used to change, whether we like it or not.

if we had a job, and they upgraded there systems, do you think whining and complaining would get you anywhere?

no, it would get you fired.

we have to get with the times, it is just how life is.





From: Lino Morales <mailto:linomorales001@gmail.com>

Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 7:40 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7



Clare I’ll have to break it to you gently as a good favorite country song of mine is called. You are going to have to upgrade to WIN 10 32 or 64 bit in the future. I don’t think its cute that other blind people etc. are putting up Skype V 7.x on Dropbox etc. Folks get a life and get a grip. This version of Skype will die and you must move forward like or lump it. Yeah MS didn’t ask us about how we feel about this and they never will. And for the record this tread is getting old like sour milk. So with that being said put up or shut up and send feedback to MS to make the current iderations of Skype on all platforms accessible. Peace out and I’m done. Grow up folks!



Lino Morales



From: Clare Page <mailto:clare.page@wanadoo.fr>
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7



Hi!
I've been reading this thread about the phasing out of Skype 7, which is already getting quite long, with interest, as I've been using Skype for nearly ten year snow, and I don't want to give up on it if I don't absolutely have to.
As I write this, Skype 7.40 still works on my 64-bit Windows 7 PC, but, judging from what I've read lately, it is hard to guess how much longer Skype 7 will still exist. Some people say Skype 7's days are numbered, others say there has been a glitch which caused problems with Skype 7 and made it impossible for some of its users to log in for a while, but I'm not totally sure which to believe: both might be true, for all I know.
It's great that there are accessible alternatives to Skype out there, and that Windows 10 users also have the option of using Skype UWP, the Skype version from the Windows Store. But what will the rest of us NVDA users do, those who don't have Windows 10 and want to stick with Skype for whatever reason, when Skype 7 no longer works? That is bound to happen one day.
I'm sad to say I have not yet heard any word from the NVDA developers about any work on Skype 8 to make it more accessible with NVDA in the future. Will future versions of NVDA support Skype 8 without the need for add-ons, or is there the possibility of an add-on being produced for Skype 8 to help us until the stable version of NVDA fully supports the new Skype for desktop?
If there are any developers reading this who can answer the above questions, or tell us anything else about the current situation where Skype 8 and NVDA are concerned, I'm sure I am not the only one who would be happy to hear from them on this list.
Thanks in advance for any answers to my questions, whatever they say.
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: vendredi 16 février 2018 06:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7


This is the link I got from the net
http://download.skyprivate.com/skype/win/SkypeSetupFull.exe
Weather this is the latest version is unknown though.
filehipo has a version of skype classic to.
I have backups on my dropbox which is fine however if I share my links dropbox is only a free account.

On 16/02/2018 5:52 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
Dear friend, can you share the link for us?
As far as my self is concern, only ninite does have Skype classic!
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@gmail.com <mailto:inamuddin09@gmail.com>
Inamuddin.ronaque@gmail.com <mailto:Inamuddin.ronaque@gmail.com>
outlook:
inam092@outlook.com <mailto:inam092@outlook.com>
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@yahoo.ca <mailto:inamuddin2010@yahoo.ca>
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786 <http://www.facebook.com/inamuddin786>
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1 <http://www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1>
Call me on my cell numbers:
+92-300-2227598 <tel:+92%20300%202227598>
+92-334-3348409 <tel:+92%20334%203348409>

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Well if they would improve skype 8 to be more accessible or improve
skype app so that some of the good features of skype 7 are ported over
thats all we ask.

Now it does appear that the download links for skype classic have
changed, I have found 1 link to get skype classic, but to be honest,
its really not skype classic users want, I don't really want skype
classic, I just want to use the latest skype in an accessible way.

Hmmm, there is a thought I wander if I was a skype insider, I wander
if that would change things some.




On 16/02/2018 2:14 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I did talk with the team of Skype support and I expressed all of my concerns regarding accessibility and screen reader related things and He told me that Microsoft is not forcing people to use modern Skype as long as they will remove all of our concerns.
Further more He said that we can use Skype classic as long as that version is installed in our machines.
He said that if anyone of you is facing any kind of problem using Skype classic, feel free to contact Skype support and they will always be reading to fix the issue whatever you people have regarding the use of Skype classic.
That’s what the result of conversation between me and Skype support team but as far as my opinion is concern, Microsoft is secretly forcing us to switch over from Skype classic to either Skype 8 for those who are using less than windows 10 or Skype app for windows 10 for those who are using windows 10.
To my best knowledge if we all screen reader users regardless of what screen reader we are using continue to connect to Microsoft disability answer desk and with the help of them if we continue to connect to Skype support team and if we continue to voice our concern, at the end of the day our concerns will be heard and will be removed as well!
There is a need of unity among users of screen reader users.
It is not the time to argue a screen reader against a screen reader that which one is better, it is the time to show solidarity and unity of visually challenged people to Microsoft in order to rescue Skype from dying!
HTH
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@gmail.com <mailto:inamuddin09@gmail.com>
Inamuddin.ronaque@gmail.com <mailto:Inamuddin.ronaque@gmail.com>
outlook:
inam092@outlook.com <mailto:inam092@outlook.com>
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@yahoo.ca <mailto:inamuddin2010@yahoo.ca>
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786 <http://www.facebook.com/inamuddin786>
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1 <http://www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1>
Call me on my cell numbers:
+92-300-2227598 <tel:+92%20300%202227598>
+92-334-3348409 <tel:+92%20334%203348409>

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 4:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

What bar skype chatting services are usefull on pc that my family can
use, can google hangouts work for pc, or what.

I have 1 friend on zello but I havn't really used it.

Everyone I know have whats app skype or facetime but well for me
skype is used a lot and the family well.

When is skype to not nolonger be supported as a valid version of skype?

If it goes I guess I will have to try to use 8 and the universal app.




On 16/02/2018 4:23 a.m., Michael Capelle wrote:
I don’t blame you, now with facetime, google hangouts, etc, skype really has died.

From: Damien Garwood
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 9:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Hi,
I’ll be abandoning Skype when 7 dies as well. I’ve had a mess with 8, and as far as I’m concerned, it stinks.
It’s a shame though. While I also have a TeamTalk server, and while the quality is indeed a lot better, TeamTalk is meant, A, for teams, and B, not for telephony. To use TeamTalk as a substitute for Skype would be a pain, since someone would first have to contact you by other means to ask you to come on TT, something which obviously isn’t necessary with Skype.
Not only that, but perhaps the biggest issue is that Skype was my primary telephone.
So yeah. Going Skypeless will indeed take a lot of getting used to.
I can’t ever see me going back to Skype. Crashes, accessibility shortfalls and process hogging are only the primary issues. And there’s me thinking Skype could never be any slower and broken than it already was in 7.
Cheers.
Damien.


From: Michael Capelle
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

i agree, i only use team talk, as i have my own server, and the quality is much better.
e-mail me off list if you wish to join my server.

From: Robert Kingett
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

The below page from Doug lee explains the phasing out of Skype 7 in favor of Skype 8 or the Universal App on windows 10. I have no idea what you folks on XP will do, but I stopped using Skype in favor of team talk anyway.




http://www.dlee.org/skype/skype7phaseout.htm#what








locked Thanks Bob!

Maheen <thejohnnymathisfanatic@...>
 

I am hoping to learn a little bit about NVDA and it’s features. Thanks for allowing me to join!
Maheen


Re: Phasing out of 7

Clare Page <clare.page@...>
 

Hi!

I never said that I will never get Windows 10, I simply don’t have it yet: Windows 10 will be on my next computer, I’m sure of that, but in the meantime I am still using Windows 7, and I’ll get another computer when I’m ready to do so.

Please remember, Lino, that many of us started using NVDA because we couldn’t afford commercial screenreaders. Many NVDA users also cannot easily afford new computers as well. I still use a supported version of Windows, but I expect to be on Windows 10 before support for Windows 7 ends in 2020.

In the meantime, while NVDA still also supports Windows versions lower than 10, it seems right to me that we should still want accessibility for programs, if that is possible, in Windows 7 and 8 with NVDA.

For this reason, I can understand people wanting to stick with Skype 7 while it still exists, since they know it is accessible. It’s true that we should be able to update our Skype to 8 if we can and if we don’t yet have access to Skype UWP, so asking what will happen with NVDA and Skype 8 is quite a legitimate question, which I will still be grateful for an answer to. And I’m sure I’m not the only one.

Bye for now!

From Clare

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: vendredi 16 février 2018 14:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

Clare I’ll have to break it to you gently as a good favorite country song of mine is called. You are going to have to upgrade to WIN 10 32 or 64 bit in the future. I don’t think its cute that other blind people etc. are putting up Skype V 7.x on Dropbox etc. Folks get a life and get a grip. This version of Skype will die and you must move forward like or lump it. Yeah MS didn’t ask us about how we feel about this and they never will. And for the record this tread is getting old like sour milk. So with that being said put up or shut up and send feedback to MS to make the current iderations of Skype on all platforms accessible. Peace out and I’m done. Grow up folks!

 

Lino Morales

 

From: Clare Page
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

Hi!
I've been reading this thread about the phasing out of Skype 7, which is already getting quite long, with interest, as I've been using Skype for nearly ten year snow, and I don't want to give up on it if I don't absolutely have to.
As I write this, Skype 7.40 still works on my 64-bit Windows 7 PC, but, judging from what I've read lately, it is hard to guess how much longer Skype 7 will still exist. Some people say Skype 7's days are numbered, others say there has been a glitch which caused problems with Skype 7 and made it impossible for some of its users to log in for a while, but I'm not totally sure which to believe: both might be true, for all I know.
It's great that there are accessible alternatives to Skype out there, and that Windows 10 users also have the option of using Skype UWP, the Skype version from the Windows Store. But what will the rest of us NVDA users do, those who don't have Windows 10 and want to stick with Skype for whatever reason, when Skype 7 no longer works? That is bound to happen one day.
I'm sad to say I have not yet heard any word from the NVDA developers about any work on Skype 8 to make it more accessible with NVDA in the future. Will future versions of NVDA support Skype 8 without the need for add-ons, or is there the possibility of an add-on being produced for Skype 8 to help us until the stable version of NVDA fully supports the new Skype for desktop?
If there are any developers reading this who can answer the above questions, or tell us anything else about the current situation where Skype 8 and NVDA are concerned, I'm sure I am not the only one who would be happy to hear from them on this list.
Thanks in advance for any answers to my questions, whatever they say.
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: vendredi 16 février 2018 06:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7


This is the link I got from the net
http://download.skyprivate.com/skype/win/SkypeSetupFull.exe
Weather this is the latest version is unknown though.
filehipo has a version of skype classic to.
I have backups on my dropbox which is fine however if I share my links dropbox is only a free account.

On 16/02/2018 5:52 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
> Dear friend, can you share the link for us?
> As far as my self is concern, only ninite does have Skype classic!
> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
> Charlsdarwin1
>
>
> Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
> At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
> You can contact me via gmail:
> inamuddin09@...
> Inamuddin.ronaque@...
> outlook:
> inam092@...
> yahoo:
> inamuddin2010@...
> Add my Skype ID:
> charlsdarwin1
> Meet me on facebook:
> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
> Follow me on my twitter ID:
> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
> Call me on my cell numbers:
> +92-300-2227598
> +92-334-3348409
>
> From: Shaun Everiss
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:38 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>
> Well if they would improve skype 8 to be more accessible or improve
> skype app so that some of the good features of skype 7 are ported over
> thats all we ask.
>
> Now it does appear that the download links for skype classic have
> changed, I have found 1 link to get skype classic, but to be honest,
> its really not skype classic users want, I don't really want skype
> classic, I just want to use the latest skype in an accessible way.
>
> Hmmm, there is a thought I wander if I was a skype insider, I wander
> if that would change things some.
>
>
>
>
> On 16/02/2018 2:14 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:
>> Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I did talk with the team of Skype support and I expressed all of my concerns regarding accessibility and screen reader related things and He told me that Microsoft is not forcing people to use modern Skype as long as they will remove all of our concerns.
>> Further more He said that we can use Skype classic as long as that version is installed in our machines.
>> He said that if anyone of you is facing any kind of problem using Skype classic, feel free to contact Skype support and they will always be reading to fix the issue whatever you people have regarding the use of Skype classic.
>> That’s what the result of conversation between me and Skype support team but as far as my opinion is concern, Microsoft is secretly forcing us to switch over from Skype classic to either Skype 8 for those who are using less than windows 10 or Skype app for windows 10 for those who are using windows 10.
>> To my best knowledge if we all screen reader users regardless of what screen reader we are using continue to connect to Microsoft disability answer desk and with the help of them if we continue to connect to Skype support team and if we continue to voice our concern, at the end of the day our concerns will be heard and will be removed as well!
>> There is a need of unity among users of screen reader users.
>> It is not the time to argue a screen reader against a screen reader that which one is better, it is the time to show solidarity and unity of visually challenged people to Microsoft in order to rescue Skype from dying!
>> HTH
>> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
>> Charlsdarwin1
>>
>>
>> Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
>> At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
>> You can contact me via gmail:
>> inamuddin09@...
>> Inamuddin.ronaque@...
>> outlook:
>> inam092@...
>> yahoo:
>> inamuddin2010@...
>> Add my Skype ID:
>> charlsdarwin1
>> Meet me on facebook:
>> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
>> Follow me on my twitter ID:
>> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
>> Call me on my cell numbers:
>> +92-300-2227598
>> +92-334-3348409
>>
>> From: Shaun Everiss
>> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 4:26 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>
>> What bar skype chatting services are usefull on pc that my family can
>> use, can google hangouts work for pc, or what.
>>
>> I have 1 friend on zello but I havn't really used it.
>>
>> Everyone I know have whats app skype or facetime but well for me
>> skype is used a lot and the family well.
>>
>> When is skype to not nolonger be supported as a valid version of skype?
>>
>> If it goes I guess I will have to try to use 8 and the universal app.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16/02/2018 4:23 a.m., Michael Capelle wrote:
>>> I don’t blame you, now with facetime, google hangouts, etc, skype really has died.
>>>
>>> From: Damien Garwood
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 9:22 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I’ll be abandoning Skype when 7 dies as well. I’ve had a mess with 8, and as far as I’m concerned, it stinks.
>>> It’s a shame though. While I also have a TeamTalk server, and while the quality is indeed a lot better, TeamTalk is meant, A, for teams, and B, not for telephony. To use TeamTalk as a substitute for Skype would be a pain, since someone would first have to contact you by other means to ask you to come on TT, something which obviously isn’t necessary with Skype.
>>> Not only that, but perhaps the biggest issue is that Skype was my primary telephone.
>>> So yeah. Going Skypeless will indeed take a lot of getting used to.
>>> I can’t ever see me going back to Skype. Crashes, accessibility shortfalls and process hogging are only the primary issues. And there’s me thinking Skype could never be any slower and broken than it already was in 7.
>>> Cheers.
>>> Damien.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Michael Capelle
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:17 PM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> i agree, i only use team talk, as i have my own server, and the quality is much better.
>>> e-mail me off list if you wish to join my server.
>>>
>>> From: Robert Kingett
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:15 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: [nvda] Phasing out of 7
>>>
>>> The below page from Doug lee explains the phasing out of Skype 7 in favor of Skype 8 or the Universal App on windows 10. I have no idea what you folks on XP will do, but I stopped using Skype in favor of team talk anyway.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.dlee.org/skype/skype7phaseout.htm#what
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>




 


Re: NVDA Says too much

Chris Bezant <chrisbezant999@...>
 

​​
Hello Quentin

That's perfect, thank you, that will make life so much better. I am relying more and more on NVDA.
Thanks again for your help.

Regards
Chris Bezant

On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 11:11 AM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Hi Chris,

No problem at all re asking the question - if you don't ask, you'll never know :)

Many people use NVDA in different ways, and different people need different information read out.  In NVDA's Document formatting dialog - press NVDA+control+d to open it (or press NVDA+n for the NVDA menu, then choose "Preferences" then "Document formatting"), you can select which elements and information get read out, including list information.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 9:55 PM, Chris Bezant <chrisbezant999@...> wrote:
Hello
I just joined today. I am partially sighted and have been using NVDA for a while now and would be lost without it.
My question is: How can I stop it saying Menu Item, List Item etc?
Looking down a list of menu items I would like it to just say the item.
I hope this makes sense and hope it's not too trivial.
Thanks for any help.
Regards
Chris Bezant

Virus-free. www.avg.com




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Re: NVDA Says too much

Chris Bezant <chrisbezant999@...>
 

Thank you, Adriana

Regards
Chris Bezant

On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 11:26 AM, Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@...> wrote:
Hello,

welcome in our community.

To stop reporting menu item, list item and so on, you can also try to use this addon, Audiotheme. You can assign your own sounds or you can just delete them and put mute sounds in there to avoid NVDA speaking the elements you don't Need to be reported.

You can download it here:

Best
Adriani



2018-02-16 11:55 GMT+01:00 Chris Bezant <chrisbezant999@...>:
Hello
I just joined today. I am partially sighted and have been using NVDA for a while now and would be lost without it.
My question is: How can I stop it saying Menu Item, List Item etc?
Looking down a list of menu items I would like it to just say the item.
I hope this makes sense and hope it's not too trivial.
Thanks for any help.
Regards
Chris Bezant

Virus-free. www.avg.com




Re: python development

Felix G.
 

Hi!
I use an editor called Notepad++ (that's Notepad with two plus signs after it, for those with punctuation turned off). It's a simple but powerful text editor with some bells and whistles but nothing that gets on your nerves.
Then again, I'm only the most occasional NVDA developer if I can even be called that.
Best regards,
Felix

Juan Hernandez <juanhernandez98@...> schrieb am Fr., 16. Feb. 2018 um 22:50 Uhr:

HI All,

 

What do the nvda devs use to develop NVDA? Do they do their work in visual studio, eclipse w/ pydev, text editors, the old fassioned way?

 

Best,

 

Juan Hernandez

Juanhernandez98@...

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My WebSite | Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn

 


Re: Phasing out of 7

 

I don't have a clue, or can't recall if I did ever hear what they use.





On 2/16/2018 11:46 PM, The Wolf wrote:

do you have any idea on what codeck and bitrate that they use?


On 2/16/2018 1:48 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Oh Zoom’s audio quality rocks!

 

Lino Morales

 

From: Governor staten
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 3:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

I think that JM is talking about Zoom, and audio quality with that program.

On 2/16/2018 3:40 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

I beg to differ. The audio is crap! It was a lot better when Skype 6 and older was around.

 

Lino Morales

 

From: JM Casey
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 3:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

The audio quality is quite good. I’ve had a couple of moments of distortion and break-up, but that could just be my internet connection. The screen-sharing feature also lets you share your computer’s audio output, which is kind of neat.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: February 16, 2018 2:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

is the audo quality good?

Hank

On 2/16/2018 11:01 AM, Governor staten wrote:

Zoom is accessible, as far as the interface goes. NVDA is missing something that enables it to speak messages, such as someone shares their screen, or someone left a room, or someone typed a message and what the message was. Narrator does this, however.

 

You can have meetings with two people, and you can speak with voice for free and time is unlimited. If you have more than 2 people in a meeting, your time is limited to 40 minutes. If you were to pay for a pro license, everything is unlimited.

 

I use the program regularly. They cover iPhone, Android, Windows, and Linux.

 

 

 

On 2/16/2018 10:09 AM, jazzyjennifer wrote:

i never messed with zoom,


 

 

 



Re: Phasing out of 7

 

do you have any idea on what codeck and bitrate that they use?


On 2/16/2018 1:48 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Oh Zoom’s audio quality rocks!

 

Lino Morales

 

From: Governor staten
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 3:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

I think that JM is talking about Zoom, and audio quality with that program.

On 2/16/2018 3:40 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

I beg to differ. The audio is crap! It was a lot better when Skype 6 and older was around.

 

Lino Morales

 

From: JM Casey
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 3:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

The audio quality is quite good. I’ve had a couple of moments of distortion and break-up, but that could just be my internet connection. The screen-sharing feature also lets you share your computer’s audio output, which is kind of neat.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: February 16, 2018 2:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

is the audo quality good?

Hank

On 2/16/2018 11:01 AM, Governor staten wrote:

Zoom is accessible, as far as the interface goes. NVDA is missing something that enables it to speak messages, such as someone shares their screen, or someone left a room, or someone typed a message and what the message was. Narrator does this, however.

 

You can have meetings with two people, and you can speak with voice for free and time is unlimited. If you have more than 2 people in a meeting, your time is limited to 40 minutes. If you were to pay for a pro license, everything is unlimited.

 

I use the program regularly. They cover iPhone, Android, Windows, and Linux.

 

 

 

On 2/16/2018 10:09 AM, jazzyjennifer wrote:

i never messed with zoom,


 

 

 



Re: Phasing out of 7

inamuddinInam Uddin
 

Dear friend if you are facing problem signing in to skype 7, feel free to Skype support.

Go to disability answer desk they will connect you to Skype Technical Support and they will fix it.

I did talk with them and at least they told me the thing which I have told you!

With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:

Charlsdarwin1

 

 

Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@...
Inamuddin.ronaque@...
outlook:
inam092@...
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@...
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
Call me on my cell numbers:
+92-300-2227598
+92-334-3348409

 

From: The Wolf
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 11:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

 

last time I tried skype 7 it didn't work it said that error connecting

 

when I got version 8 it connected with out a hitch

 

 

On 2/16/2018 6:21 AM, Clare Page wrote:

> Hi!

> I've been reading this thread about the phasing out of Skype 7, which is already getting quite long, with interest, as I've been using Skype for nearly ten year snow, and I don't want to give up on it if I don't absolutely have to.

> As I write this, Skype 7.40 still works on my 64-bit Windows 7 PC, but, judging from what I've read lately, it is hard to guess how much longer Skype 7 will still exist. Some people say Skype 7's days are numbered, others say there has been a glitch which caused problems with Skype 7 and made it impossible for some of its users to log in for a while, but I'm not totally sure which to believe: both might be true, for all I know.

> It's great that there are accessible alternatives to Skype out there, and that Windows 10 users also have the option of using Skype UWP, the Skype version from the Windows Store. But what will the rest of us NVDA users do, those who don't have Windows 10 and want to stick with Skype for whatever reason, when Skype 7 no longer works? That is bound to happen one day.

> I'm sad to say I have not yet heard any word from the NVDA developers about any work on Skype 8 to make it more accessible with NVDA in the future. Will future versions of NVDA support Skype 8 without the need for add-ons, or is there the possibility of an add-on being produced for Skype 8 to help us until the stable version of NVDA fully supports the new Skype for desktop?

> If there are any developers reading this who can answer the above questions, or tell us anything else about the current situation where Skype 8 and NVDA are concerned, I'm sure I am not the only one who would be happy to hear from them on this list.

> Thanks in advance for any answers to my questions, whatever they say.

> Bye for now!

> >From Clare

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss

> Sent: vendredi 16 février 2018 06:04

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

> This is the link I got from the net

> http://download.skyprivate.com/skype/win/SkypeSetupFull.exe

> Weather this is the latest version is unknown though.

> filehipo has a version of skype classic to.

> I have backups on my dropbox which is fine however if I share my links dropbox is only a free account.

> On 16/02/2018 5:52 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:

>> Dear friend, can you share the link for us?

>> As far as my self is concern, only ninite does have Skype classic!

>> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:

>> Charlsdarwin1

>> 

>> 

>> Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.

>> At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.

>> You can contact me via gmail:

>> inamuddin09@...

>> Inamuddin.ronaque@...

>> outlook:

>> inam092@...

>> yahoo:

>> inamuddin2010@...

>> Add my Skype ID:

>> charlsdarwin1

>> Meet me on facebook:

>> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786

>> Follow me on my twitter ID:

>> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1

>> Call me on my cell numbers:

>> +92-300-2227598

>> +92-334-3348409

>> 

>> From: Shaun Everiss

>> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:38 AM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

>> 

>> Well if they would improve skype 8 to be more accessible or improve

>> skype app so that some of the good features of skype 7 are ported over

>> thats all we ask.

>> 

>> Now it does appear that the download links for skype classic have

>> changed, I have found 1 link to get skype classic, but to be honest,

>> its really not skype classic users want, I don't really want skype

>> classic, I just want to use the latest skype in an accessible way.

>> 

>> Hmmm, there is a thought I wander if I was a skype insider, I wander

>> if that would change things some.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> On 16/02/2018 2:14 p.m., inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:

>>> Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I did talk with the team of Skype support and I expressed all of my concerns regarding accessibility and screen reader related things and He told me that Microsoft is not forcing people to use modern Skype as long as they will remove all of our concerns.

>>> Further more He said that we can use Skype classic as long as that version is installed in our machines.

>>> He said that if anyone of you is facing any kind of problem using Skype classic, feel free to contact Skype support and they will always be reading to fix the issue whatever you people have regarding the use of Skype classic.

>>> That’s what the result of conversation between me and Skype support team but as far as my opinion is concern, Microsoft is secretly forcing us to switch over from Skype classic to either Skype 8 for those who are using less than windows 10 or Skype app for windows 10 for those who are using windows 10.

>>> To my best knowledge if we all screen reader users regardless of what screen reader we are using continue to connect to Microsoft disability answer desk and with the help of them if we continue to connect to Skype support team and if we continue to voice our concern, at the end of the day our concerns will be heard and will be removed as well!

>>> There is a need of unity among users of screen reader users.

>>> It is not the time to argue a screen reader against a screen reader that which one is better, it is the time to show solidarity and unity of visually challenged people to Microsoft in order to rescue Skype from dying!

>>> HTH

>>> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:

>>> Charlsdarwin1

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.

>>> At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.

>>> You can contact me via gmail:

>>> inamuddin09@...

>>> Inamuddin.ronaque@...

>>> outlook:

>>> inam092@...

>>> yahoo:

>>> inamuddin2010@...

>>> Add my Skype ID:

>>> charlsdarwin1

>>> Meet me on facebook:

>>> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786

>>> Follow me on my twitter ID:

>>> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1

>>> Call me on my cell numbers:

>>> +92-300-2227598

>>> +92-334-3348409

>>> 

>>> From: Shaun Everiss

>>> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 4:26 AM

>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

>>> 

>>> What bar skype chatting services are usefull on pc that my family can

>>> use, can google hangouts work for pc, or what.

>>> 

>>> I have 1 friend on zello but I havn't really used it.

>>> 

>>> Everyone I know have whats app skype or facetime but well for me

>>> skype is used a lot and the family well.

>>> 

>>> When is skype to not nolonger be supported as a valid version of skype?

>>> 

>>> If it goes I guess I will have to try to use 8 and the universal app.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> On 16/02/2018 4:23 a.m., Michael Capelle wrote:

>>>> I don’t blame you, now with facetime, google hangouts, etc, skype really has died.

>>>> 

>>>> From: Damien Garwood

>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 9:22 AM

>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

>>>> 

>>>> Hi,

>>>> I’ll be abandoning Skype when 7 dies as well. I’ve had a mess with 8, and as far as I’m concerned, it stinks.

>>>> It’s a shame though. While I also have a TeamTalk server, and while the quality is indeed a lot better, TeamTalk is meant, A, for teams, and B, not for telephony. To use TeamTalk as a substitute for Skype would be a pain, since someone would first have to contact you by other means to ask you to come on TT, something which obviously isn’t necessary with Skype.

>>>> Not only that, but perhaps the biggest issue is that Skype was my primary telephone.

>>>> So yeah. Going Skypeless will indeed take a lot of getting used to.

>>>> I can’t ever see me going back to Skype. Crashes, accessibility shortfalls and process hogging are only the primary issues. And there’s me thinking Skype could never be any slower and broken than it already was in 7.

>>>> Cheers.

>>>> Damien.

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> From: Michael Capelle

>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:17 PM

>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

>>>> 

>>>> i agree, i only use team talk, as i have my own server, and the quality is much better.

>>>> e-mail me off list if you wish to join my server.

>>>> 

>>>> From: Robert Kingett

>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:15 AM

>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>>>> Subject: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

>>>> 

>>>> The below page from Doug lee explains the phasing out of Skype 7 in favor of Skype 8 or the Universal App on windows 10. I have no idea what you folks on XP will do, but I stopped using Skype in favor of team talk anyway.

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> http://www.dlee.org/skype/skype7phaseout.htm#what

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

> .

 

 

 

 


Re: skype phase out

inamuddinInam Uddin
 

Dear I have added you now its up to you if you will accept my friendship request!

 

 

Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@...
Inamuddin.ronaque@...
outlook:
inam092@...
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@...
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
Call me on my cell numbers:
+92-300-2227598
+92-334-3348409

 

From: Michael Capelle
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 7:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] skype phase out

 

that is the only bad thing with skype.

for those who do have have skype feel free to add me:

note, this is not my e-mail, but an old e mail i had, not going to change all my skype to my current one.

 

Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 7:42 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] skype phase out

 

Me too Mike. Only drawback is the crap audio, but that’s on all platforms of Skype.

 

Lino Morales

 

From: Michael Capelle
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] skype phase out

 

I have been using the win 10 version of skype with NVDA, and am having no issues.

I honestly prefer this version over 7.x.

 

Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 7:32 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] skype phase out

 

Why can’t you tell them Sean? Someone this. Someone that bla bla bla. You can them feedback as easy as anybody else if you have WIN 10 which I know via Feedback Hub. This is what sickens me about you blind people! How about that someone be you for crying out loud! Now back to NVDA all ready in progress. Good golly miss Molly!

 

Lino Morales

 

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 6:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] skype phase out

 

Hi.

Yeah we can no longer get skype classic anymore people have put it out
on dropbox, technically you can still get it if you have a tablet but still.

Someone needs to tell microsoft that skype 8 is not really that
accessible, and as well as that maybe the classic desktop interface at
least some of it should become part of the skype app.

For now, skyprivate seems to have the file.

http://download.skyprivate.com/skype/win/SkypeSetupFull.exe

The article I got from it was updated on the 15th and explains how to
get skype going and I found it with skype classic on google search.

I am going to have to backup my skype classic to my dropbox though its a
real shame ms is killing skype for its users now.

I still use it off and on if skype is becomming inaccessible, well that
will become a problem.

I used it to help family members get a job, if it goes away I will have
to say I can no longer help anymore.

 

 

 


Re: Phasing out of 7

John Isige
 

On 2/16/2018 18:49, Karim Lakhani wrote:

Which article was this?



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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John
Isige
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 3:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Have you checked the article posted about skype that started this whole
thread? There are keyboard commands in the new skype, they might not be
super logical, but they're there, at least.


On 2/16/2018 15:47, JM Casey wrote:
I like that there are logical keyboard commands for everything. You
don’t have to sit there going tab, tab, tab, tab, tab, which is one of
my biggest peeves about using some programs.

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Juan Hernandez
*Sent:* February 16, 2018 4:46 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Zoom Video and Audio are fantastic.  Also, Zoom developers have really
gone way way above to make their platform accessible.

We use it at my work for conferencing. And we do a lot of it.

Juan Hernandez

Juanhernandez98@gmail.com <mailto:Juanhernandez98@gmail.com>

619-750-9431 (M)         |  858-777-3311 (F)

My WebSite <http://www.juanhernandez.me/> | Twitter | FaceBook
<https://www.facebook.com/blindwiz> | LinkedIn
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/juanmhernandez>

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Lino
Morales
*Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 12:48 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Oh Zoom’s audio quality rocks!

Lino Morales

*From: *Governor staten <mailto:govsta@gmail.com>
*Sent: *Friday, February 16, 2018 3:47 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

I think that JM is talking about Zoom, and audio quality with that
program.

On 2/16/2018 3:40 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

I beg to differ. The audio is crap! It was a lot better when Skype
6 and older was around.

Lino Morales

*From: *JM Casey <mailto:crystallogic@ca.inter.net>
*Sent: *Friday, February 16, 2018 3:39 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

The audio quality is quite good. I’ve had a couple of moments of
distortion and break-up, but that could just be my internet
connection. The screen-sharing feature also lets you share your
computer’s audio output, which is kind of neat.

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *The Wolf
*Sent:* February 16, 2018 2:04 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

is the audo quality good?

Hank

On 2/16/2018 11:01 AM, Governor staten wrote:

Zoom is accessible, as far as the interface goes. NVDA is
missing something that enables it to speak messages, such as
someone shares their screen, or someone left a room, or
someone typed a message and what the message was. Narrator
does this, however.

You can have meetings with two people, and you can speak with
voice for free and time is unlimited. If you have more than 2
people in a meeting, your time is limited to 40 minutes. If
you were to pay for a pro license, everything is unlimited.

I use the program regularly. They cover iPhone, Android,
Windows, and Linux.

cid:image003.png@01D3A73C.86D8FC40

On 2/16/2018 10:09 AM, jazzyjennifer wrote:

i never messed with zoom,





Re: A strange problem with excel2016

Rick
 

Hello Abdul:

 

I assume that you are running the native client of Excel 2016 and not the web version. Is your version up to date and not an Office Insider build? You can check for updates in the file menu. Press ALT+F, D, R and tab around the opened menu to the link to check for updates.

 

What do you mean by getting stuck? There are several ways to end editing in one cell and moving to the next (Tab key, Enter key and arrow keys). You need to make sure browse mode is off in order to edit cells (NVDA+Spacebar will toggle browse mode on and off).

 

Hth

 

Rick

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of abdul muhamin
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 7:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A strange problem with excel2016

 

Hi all. Hope all are doing well, I’m using NVDA2017.4, the problem is that. When I open excel sheet, and type something in the cells. The NVDA getting stucked all the time. I tried uninstalling windows and office, but nothing happens. What could be the problem? It disturbs me specially in the class. Whating for your valuable replys, thanks

 

Regards, Chief content officer at BlindHelp.net

 


Re: Phasing out of 7

Karim Lakhani <karim.lakhani@...>
 

Which article was this?



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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John
Isige
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 3:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Have you checked the article posted about skype that started this whole
thread? There are keyboard commands in the new skype, they might not be
super logical, but they're there, at least.


On 2/16/2018 15:47, JM Casey wrote:

I like that there are logical keyboard commands for everything. You
don’t have to sit there going tab, tab, tab, tab, tab, which is one of
my biggest peeves about using some programs.

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Juan Hernandez
*Sent:* February 16, 2018 4:46 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Zoom Video and Audio are fantastic.  Also, Zoom developers have really
gone way way above to make their platform accessible.

We use it at my work for conferencing. And we do a lot of it.

Juan Hernandez

Juanhernandez98@gmail.com <mailto:Juanhernandez98@gmail.com>

619-750-9431 (M)         |  858-777-3311 (F)

My WebSite <http://www.juanhernandez.me/> | Twitter | FaceBook
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*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Lino
Morales
*Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2018 12:48 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

Oh Zoom’s audio quality rocks!

Lino Morales

*From: *Governor staten <mailto:govsta@gmail.com>
*Sent: *Friday, February 16, 2018 3:47 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

I think that JM is talking about Zoom, and audio quality with that
program.

On 2/16/2018 3:40 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

I beg to differ. The audio is crap! It was a lot better when Skype
6 and older was around.

Lino Morales

*From: *JM Casey <mailto:crystallogic@ca.inter.net>
*Sent: *Friday, February 16, 2018 3:39 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

The audio quality is quite good. I’ve had a couple of moments of
distortion and break-up, but that could just be my internet
connection. The screen-sharing feature also lets you share your
computer’s audio output, which is kind of neat.

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *The Wolf
*Sent:* February 16, 2018 2:04 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Phasing out of 7

is the audo quality good?

Hank

On 2/16/2018 11:01 AM, Governor staten wrote:

Zoom is accessible, as far as the interface goes. NVDA is
missing something that enables it to speak messages, such as
someone shares their screen, or someone left a room, or
someone typed a message and what the message was. Narrator
does this, however.

You can have meetings with two people, and you can speak with
voice for free and time is unlimited. If you have more than 2
people in a meeting, your time is limited to 40 minutes. If
you were to pay for a pro license, everything is unlimited.

I use the program regularly. They cover iPhone, Android,
Windows, and Linux.

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On 2/16/2018 10:09 AM, jazzyjennifer wrote:

i never messed with zoom,


A strange problem with excel2016

abdul muhamin
 

Hi all. Hope all are doing well, I’m using NVDA2017.4, the problem is that. When I open excel sheet, and type something in the cells. The NVDA getting stucked all the time. I tried uninstalling windows and office, but nothing happens. What could be the problem? It disturbs me specially in the class. Whating for your valuable replys, thanks

 

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