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Re: NVDA question

Kerryn Gunness <k_gunness@...>
 


hi quentin
thank u very much
with regards to the mouse arrow and NVDA, i was talking about can NVDA be used to operate the mouse cursor?
 
kerryn
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 10:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

Hi Kerryn,

I copied this from last October's In-Process re using OCR.  Basically:

To do OCR with NVDA 2017.4 on Windows 10:
1. Open the PDF file in Adobe Reader.
2. Press NVDA+r. NVDA reports “Recognising”. After a pause, NVDA reports “Result document”.
3. Although visually, the screen hasn’t changed, NVDA has placed the text recognised in the image in a “virtual document”. You can navigate around this just like a document in WordPad. Press NVDA+down arrow (laptop: NVDA+a) to read the whole document from the current point.
4. Press control+home to move to the top of the virtual document.
5. Press down arrow to move through and read the text line by line.
6. When finished, press escape to exit the virtual document.

Or, using Windows 7 or 8 OR NVDA earlier than 2017.3:
1. Open the PDF file in Adobe Reader.
2. Press NVDA+r. NVDA reports “Recognising”. After a pause, NVDA reports “Done”.
3. Although visually, the screen hasn’t changed, NVDA has placed the text recognised in the image in a “virtual document”. You can navigate around this using the review cursor. Press numpad plus (laptop: NVDA+shift+a) to read the whole document from the current point.
4. Press shift+numpad 7 (laptop: NVDA+control+home) to move to the top of the virtual document.
5. Press numpad 9 (laptop: NVDA+down arrow) to move through and read the text line by line.


With regard to "utilising the mouse arrow", could you please clarify exactly what you are trying to do?  Yes it is possible to do several things either with the mouse, or to the mouse and with further information, I can give you steps for that also.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:17 AM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io <k_gunness@...> wrote:
1 how to use NVDA to do OCR? say for pdf documents
2 with jaws the mouse arrow is utilised, could the mouse arrow be used with NVDA?
hey devin could u contact me privately?
email is
thanks
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

I like the idea too, along with voice changes or sounds to denote different attributes, such as style changes in word and email, or HTML elements on the web.
Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor

, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified by World Services for the Blind

On Feb 4, 2018, at 2:21 PM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

This actually reminds me of JFW in that an attachment was detected and for me I had a sliding tone play so I could know what was going on very quickly. I like the idea actually.

On Feb 4, 2018, at 3:12 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

You are assuming a sound would be wanted for every punctuation sign.  And at least in Engglish and many languages, there aren't that many.  Period, question mark, colon, semicolon quotation marks and you might want a sound for ellipsis.  You could have more sounds as well.  You could have sounds in the pronunciation dictionary so you can assign sounds for whatever you want.  The user could even put sound files in the program if he/she doesn't like what is provided.  Now let's see what kinds of sounds we might have  Bell, whistle, door close, door open, chime, and all sorts of variations such as high pitch bell, low pitch bell, car dor, a door such as in a house, and other people may come up with all sorts of other examples.  The world is full of distinctive sounds.  And JAWS has had such a feature for probably over a dedcade so this is not at all a novel idea.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 2:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

No maybe not but this would need a lot of sounds and I question how easy it 
might be to come up with enough of them to be easy to recognise.
 Brian

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


The user would select the sound for the specific punctuation.  There 
wouldn't be preassigned sounds.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 5:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


I'm sure you were aware that there was a now dead comedian who made a lot of
money with his monologues where he substituted sounds for Punctuation!
Victor Borge'

Now my one problem with having a mode like this is, given the number of
different marks and their meaning in different circumstances in different
languages, it could need one heck of a  lot of individual sounds to cover
them all. I do know what you are getting at different sorts of brackets and
colons etc, are main candidates, with underscores being also useful.

Maybe this is add on territory ie a programmers version as most of us prefer
not to hear these greater thans etc all over the place, but obviously such
things are important in programming as are brackets and indents etc.
 Brian

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Malykh" <anton.malykh@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 10:16 PM
Subject: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


> Hello all,
>
> Is there a way to substitute punctuation marks with custom sounds? I am a
> developer and often times I have to listen to tongue twisters of
> punctuation marks, like "left bracket right brace left paren .." I wish
> to replace all these parens and brackets with sounds. Is there a way to do
> so in NVDA?
>
> Thanks
> Tony
>
>
>
>











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Re: my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

Chris
 

What I’m trying to get at is what is the behaviour you are experienceing?

Does it say nothing at all or says gibberish or unknown or something else  etc

 

I’m sorry but saying doesn’t work does not compute with me

 

One thing you could try is to delete/move/rename the profile folder in your c:\users\profile name\appdata\roaming\nvda

 

Then restart nvda which will create anew profile

With defaults see if that helps

 

And of course you did try a reboot firs rightt?

 

Other than that its a guess without further information

 

 

 

From: Moty Azrad
Sent: 06 February 2018 10:16
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

 

Chris,

 

I am using NVDA for some years and now my NVDA DOES NOT WORK PROPERLY.

I CAN USE IT LITTLE BIT FOR READING DOCUMENTS WITH ms word but many other programs do't work.

 

I see that no one may help and I will have to go to reset my PC to solve that problem.

 

Thanks

 

Moti

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 11:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

 

What does or doesnt nvda do specifically?

 

 

From: Moty Azrad
Sent: 06 February 2018 07:18
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

 

Chris,

 

I worte here some times that NVDA does not work with, google chrome, or firefox.esr, or MS Outlook 2010 Etc.

Again, I hope some one helps me. Gene worte here that this problem had been discussed here and the solution was written here but up to now, I didn't get any solution.

Thanks and hope for more support.

 

Thanks much again.

 

Moti

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 12:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

 

What is not working properly???

Without further information its all going to be a guess

 

 

 

 

From: Arlene
Sent: 05 February 2018 22:01
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

 

Hi, this person's having this problem with win ten.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra

Sent: February-05-18 6:47 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

 

hello.

just disk clean up does not cause problem for nvda.

i use disk clean up on windows xp, c drive only and have no issue with nvda.

 

On 2/5/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

> You have evidently removed a program that unregistered some dll files.

> How to reregister them has been discussed on the list before.  I

> didn't keep the information and I'll leave it to others to tell you

> where to find it, as to how to reregister them.  It's a simple

> procedure and it will probably solve your problem.

> Gene

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Moty Azrad

> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 6:07 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN

> WINDOWS10

> Dear all,

> I have windows10 home edition 64 bits.

> Jaws 2018 works very well.

> Nvda, 2017.4 or any snapshot, don't work properly.

> My question:

> Every month, I am doing disk cleanup and use the file system cleaning too.

> I delete it and  make after that defrag or optimize my SSD C: drive.

> can NVDA be damaged with this action I'm doing monthly?

> Again, Jaws is not damaged and works very well but NVDA, does not work

> properly with some programs as: firefox, google chrome, ms outlook

> 2010 Etc.

> I use to delete my restore points and create manually one.

> Thanks for any explanation or help for my isuue with NVDA.

> Moti

 

 

--

we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.

holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.

in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:

indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.

best website for studying islamic book in different languages www.al-islam.org

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: important to read before installing CCleaner

 

Well the reason there is so much add ware is that a lot of stuff is free but aint really.

Some stuff is subscription based, some stuff you need to buy.

It will not totally solve the malware issue but if someone is loading loads of adds and stuff in their programs, chances are that they actually do need your cash so if you can I would try to support said dev rather than leach from them.

This may or may not get you out of all the malware, on the other hand you may just get a little more and they may even be happy to talk to you over email.

I have had to buy a few programs to avoid malware, some opensource stuff is full of malware and adds.

The thing is that resources and dev programs are not cheap.

Developers if they can try to keep their stuff free, but they need addware to keep it so and only do it for convenience.

I doubt that anyone actually uses adds for proffit, they don't get them that much but enough.

So if you can afford it grab it.

I do this for 1 offs.

I am not a subscription kind of guy though.

Its a shame adds can't be customised to things we could get in our local countries and then down to what we would hear and read normally in tv  the radio and news paper.

If all the adds that appeared on my system were like this it wouldn't be a problem because I am exposed to these and more on the radio and tv.

The issue is that most adds are for you to get drugs or something or well dodgy programs to fix issues that don't exist and more scams.

I think if we can smarten up the add industry all the spyware issue at least some of it will not be as bad.

On 6/02/2018 8:56 p.m., wayne wrote:
Gene has some good precortionary information about installing c cleaner. I would like to add a little more to this information. Many of these free programs, whether they be slim versions, light versions, or portable,in recent times are coming loaded with mal ware. This wasn't always the case and there may be still some that are free of malware but now this depends on how the programmer compiles the installer.Here's what you can do, use an unzipping program, I like 7 zip, try to unzip the installer of the program that you want to install. If that works out, you'll have a folder with all the files including the main executable. Most of the time you could just run the program, there won't be any malware to worry about because you didn't use the installer to install the program.When you run the program this way, in most cases it will create a settings/data folder for it's operation, letting you know about the folder that there's nothing to worry about. In fact it could be a good thing if there's setting files such as i n i files that you might want to edit.I don't want to get to far a field, but I want to say something else. Just this last week, Roger was having problem with cdex to run in windows 10. Well it was either that day or the next day, I did a little looking around and found the latest version of cdex, it is v1.99, at the time had been out less than 24 hours. I donloded both versions, the main and portable versions, and both versions are loaded with malware, however if you can't uncheck the box of which there's 2 or 3, if you can't uncheck them using your screen reader, The good news is you could just unzip this one and run it. It runs very fast and smooth, under the very latest windows 10 64 bit. When you first run it, it will create that settings/data folder, and the great news is that you can edit the i n i files to your liking.This is very good if your main drive is ssd and you want your music folder to be on the drive, that's not your main drive. The only other thing I think and Roger has probably checked this is, is to go in the settings and make sure the burner you want to rip from is the one that is selected. If not selected, go ahead and select it.In closing if I can help in any way with any of this. Just let us know. If anyone wants it, I can zip up my copy and put it up on sendspace. Thanks for reading and happy safe computing.
Wayne
greenwood33@cox.net


Re: google chrome: problem only in the first page, can you try?

Simone Dal Maso
 

Hello,
as a work around I suggest:
1. don't use a blank webpage. I put google.com and now this problem is gone.
2. gmail is not accessible if you use adblocker or ublock. As a work around, I found this extension that block ads and allow NVDA to use gmail correctly. The only problem now is that must find an antisocial extension in order to hide facebook buttons. The extension for blocking ads is here:

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/stop-ads-full-ad-blocking/mmpljmegdkddjkklnheaaldbcblcpjpb?utm_source=chrome-app-launcher-info-dialog

Il 06/02/2018 11:32, P. Otter ha scritto:
yes, what you say is correct, i've the same problem with gmail.google.com.
but there are more things wrong with chrome.
it is very quick, but sometimes .......
cheers
paul otter
Op 6-2-2018 om 11:01 schreef Simone Dal Maso:
Hello,
I'm using google chrome with a blank page as main page.
When I open Chrome, then I press alt-d to go to address bar and then I search something.
As a result, I see the page loaded into the screen, but NVDA is not able to read the content, it says busy document.
I should open another page, for example m.facebook.com, then return to address bar and search something again, and now it works.
Do you have the same issues?





Re: google chrome: problem only in the first page, can you try?

P. Otter
 

yes, what you say is correct, i've the same problem with gmail.google.com.
but there are more things wrong with chrome.
it is very quick, but sometimes .......
cheers
paul otter


Op 6-2-2018 om 11:01 schreef Simone Dal Maso:

Hello,
I'm using google chrome with a blank page as main page.
When I open Chrome, then I press alt-d to go to address bar and then  I search something.
As a result, I see the page loaded into the screen, but NVDA is not able to read the content, it says busy document.
I should open another page, for example m.facebook.com, then return to address bar and search something again, and now it works.
Do you have the same issues?




Re: my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

Moty Azrad
 

Chris,

 

I am using NVDA for some years and now my NVDA DOES NOT WORK PROPERLY.

I CAN USE IT LITTLE BIT FOR READING DOCUMENTS WITH ms word but many other programs do't work.

 

I see that no one may help and I will have to go to reset my PC to solve that problem.

 

Thanks

 

Moti

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 11:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

 

What does or doesnt nvda do specifically?

 

 

From: Moty Azrad
Sent: 06 February 2018 07:18
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

 

Chris,

 

I worte here some times that NVDA does not work with, google chrome, or firefox.esr, or MS Outlook 2010 Etc.

Again, I hope some one helps me. Gene worte here that this problem had been discussed here and the solution was written here but up to now, I didn't get any solution.

Thanks and hope for more support.

 

Thanks much again.

 

Moti

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 12:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

 

What is not working properly???

Without further information its all going to be a guess

 

 

 

 

From: Arlene
Sent: 05 February 2018 22:01
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

 

Hi, this person's having this problem with win ten.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra

Sent: February-05-18 6:47 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

 

hello.

just disk clean up does not cause problem for nvda.

i use disk clean up on windows xp, c drive only and have no issue with nvda.

 

On 2/5/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

> You have evidently removed a program that unregistered some dll files.

> How to reregister them has been discussed on the list before.  I

> didn't keep the information and I'll leave it to others to tell you

> where to find it, as to how to reregister them.  It's a simple

> procedure and it will probably solve your problem.

> Gene

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Moty Azrad

> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 6:07 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN

> WINDOWS10

> Dear all,

> I have windows10 home edition 64 bits.

> Jaws 2018 works very well.

> Nvda, 2017.4 or any snapshot, don't work properly.

> My question:

> Every month, I am doing disk cleanup and use the file system cleaning too.

> I delete it and  make after that defrag or optimize my SSD C: drive.

> can NVDA be damaged with this action I'm doing monthly?

> Again, Jaws is not damaged and works very well but NVDA, does not work

> properly with some programs as: firefox, google chrome, ms outlook

> 2010 Etc.

> I use to delete my restore points and create manually one.

> Thanks for any explanation or help for my isuue with NVDA.

> Moti

 

 

--

we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.

holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.

in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:

indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.

best website for studying islamic book in different languages www.al-islam.org

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


google chrome: problem only in the first page, can you try?

Simone Dal Maso
 

Hello,
I'm using google chrome with a blank page as main page.
When I open Chrome, then I press alt-d to go to address bar and then I search something.
As a result, I see the page loaded into the screen, but NVDA is not able to read the content, it says busy document.
I should open another page, for example m.facebook.com, then return to address bar and search something again, and now it works.
Do you have the same issues?


Re: my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

Chris
 

What does or doesnt nvda do specifically?

 

 

From: Moty Azrad
Sent: 06 February 2018 07:18
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

 

Chris,

 

I worte here some times that NVDA does not work with, google chrome, or firefox.esr, or MS Outlook 2010 Etc.

Again, I hope some one helps me. Gene worte here that this problem had been discussed here and the solution was written here but up to now, I didn't get any solution.

Thanks and hope for more support.

 

Thanks much again.

 

Moti

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 12:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

 

What is not working properly???

Without further information its all going to be a guess

 

 

 

 

From: Arlene
Sent: 05 February 2018 22:01
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

 

Hi, this person's having this problem with win ten.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra

Sent: February-05-18 6:47 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

 

hello.

just disk clean up does not cause problem for nvda.

i use disk clean up on windows xp, c drive only and have no issue with nvda.

 

On 2/5/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

> You have evidently removed a program that unregistered some dll files.

> How to reregister them has been discussed on the list before.  I

> didn't keep the information and I'll leave it to others to tell you

> where to find it, as to how to reregister them.  It's a simple

> procedure and it will probably solve your problem.

> Gene

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Moty Azrad

> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 6:07 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN

> WINDOWS10

> Dear all,

> I have windows10 home edition 64 bits.

> Jaws 2018 works very well.

> Nvda, 2017.4 or any snapshot, don't work properly.

> My question:

> Every month, I am doing disk cleanup and use the file system cleaning too.

> I delete it and  make after that defrag or optimize my SSD C: drive.

> can NVDA be damaged with this action I'm doing monthly?

> Again, Jaws is not damaged and works very well but NVDA, does not work

> properly with some programs as: firefox, google chrome, ms outlook

> 2010 Etc.

> I use to delete my restore points and create manually one.

> Thanks for any explanation or help for my isuue with NVDA.

> Moti

 

 

--

we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.

holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.

in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:

indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.

best website for studying islamic book in different languages www.al-islam.org

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: important to read before installing CCleaner

Gene
 

I didn't keep the message from the person who discussed potentially unwanted programs In portable versions because I didn't think I would have any comments.  However, after reading the message, I looked at information on the portable apps page for portable CDEX.  The following statement appears:
Online Installer: This is installer will download CDex during setup.
Local Version Warning: The local version installer uses what is considered a malicious bundleware add-on that will be detected as such by several antivirus engines. The portable version downloads the local version installer but extracts the files from it without running the installer, protecting you from bundleware. The download may trigger a detection in your antivirus, however.
 
If that is true for this portable program, then I consider the danger of running installers for other portable versions of programs to be unresolved.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] important to read before installing CCleaner

Avast shouldn't be installed and run if you are already using another antivirus program.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] important to read before installing CCleaner

Well avast you don't want, google toolbar you probably don't want.

But chrome, to be honest when does stuff become unwanted if you use it.

Like for example if you use avast, and or chrome, if it was bundled, its
1 less thing to load.

Avast and chrome are not the issue, its all this opencandy stuff.

Windows defender is supposed next month to be able to be more aggressive
with scareware etc which sadly seems to be more false positives nad
probably more targeting of the disabled, for games and other programs.




On 6/02/2018 11:57 a.m., Arlene wrote:
> I should say the unwanted stuff like google chrome or other stuff.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin
> Cussick via Groups.Io
> Sent: February-05-18 2:46 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] important to read before installing CCleaner
>
> sorry no.
>
> On 05/02/2018 21:44, Arlene wrote:
>> Can you get it off ninite?
>>
>> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
>> *Gene
>> *Sent:* February-05-18 10:11 AM
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> *Subject:* [nvda] important to read before installing CCleaner
>>
>> I didn't keep the messages in the current CCleaner thread but I
>> thought I should raise this very important point.
>>
>> CCleaner, as do so many free programs now comes bundled with one or
>> more programs you probably don't want. Some of these programs cause
>> people problems as well.
>>
>> Don't download and install the regular version of CCleaner.  Use
>> either the portable version or the version that is called something
>> like the slim version.
>>
>> Gene
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>




important to read before installing c cleaner

wayne <greenwood33@...>
 

 Gene has some good precortionary information about installing c cleaner. I would like to add a little more to this information. Many of these free programs, whether they be slim versions, light versions, or portable,in recent times are coming loaded with mal ware. This wasn't always the case and there may be still some that are free of malware but now this depends on how the programmer compiles the installer.Here's what you can do, use an unzipping program, I like 7 zip, try to unzip the installer of the program that you want to install. If that works out, you'll have a folder with all the files including the main executable. Most of the time you could just run the program, there won't be any malware to worry about because you didn't use the installer to install  the program.When you run the program this way, in most cases it will create a settings/data folder for it's operation, letting you know about the folder that there's nothing to worry about. In fact it could be a good thing if there's setting files such as i n i files that you might want to edit.I don't want to get to far a field, but I want to say something else. Just this last week, Roger was having problem with cdex to run in windows 10. Well it was either that day or the next day, I did a little looking around and found the latest version of cdex, it is v1.99,  at the time had been out less than 24 hours. I donloded both versions, the main and portable versions,  and both versions  are loaded with malware, however if you can't uncheck the box of which there's 2 or 3, if you can't uncheck them using your screen reader, The good news is you could just unzip this one and run it. It runs very fast and smooth, under the very latest windows 10 64 bit. When you first run it, it will create that settings/data folder, and the great news is that you can edit the i n i files to your liking.This is very good if your main drive is ssd and you want your music folder  to be on the drive, that's not your main drive. The only other thing I think and Roger has probably checked this is, is to go in the settings and make  sure the burner you want to rip from is the one that is selected. If not selected, go ahead and select it.In closing if I can help in any way with any of this. Just let us know. If anyone wants it, I can zip up my copy and put it up on sendspace. Thanks for reading and happy safe computing.
Wayne
 
 
 


Re: important to read before installing CCleaner

wayne <greenwood33@...>
 

Gene has some good precortionary information about installing c cleaner. I would like to add a little more to this information. Many of these free programs, whether they be slim versions, light versions, or portable,in recent times are coming loaded with mal ware. This wasn't always the case and there may be still some that are free of malware but now this depends on how the programmer compiles the installer.Here's what you can do, use an unzipping program, I like 7 zip, try to unzip the installer of the program that you want to install. If that works out, you'll have a folder with all the files including the main executable. Most of the time you could just run the program, there won't be any malware to worry about because you didn't use the installer to install  the program.When you run the program this way, in most cases it will create a settings/data folder for it's operation, letting you know about the folder that there's nothing to worry about. In fact it could be a good thing if there's setting files such as i n i files that you might want to edit.I don't want to get to far a field, but I want to say something else. Just this last week, Roger was having problem with cdex to run in windows 10. Well it was either that day or the next day, I did a little looking around and found the latest version of cdex, it is v1.99,  at the time had been out less than 24 hours. I donloded both versions, the main and portable versions,  and both versions  are loaded with malware, however if you can't uncheck the box of which there's 2 or 3, if you can't uncheck them using your screen reader, The good news is you could just unzip this one and run it. It runs very fast and smooth, under the very latest windows 10 64 bit. When you first run it, it will create that settings/data folder, and the great news is that you can edit the i n i files to your liking.This is very good if your main drive is ssd and you want your music folder  to be on the drive, that's not your main drive. The only other thing I think and Roger has probably checked this is, is to go in the settings and make  sure the burner you want to rip from is the one that is selected. If not selected, go ahead and select it.In closing if I can help in any way with any of this. Just let us know. If anyone wants it, I can zip up my copy and put it up on sendspace. Thanks for reading and happy safe computing.
Wayne
 


Re: important to read before installing CCleaner

Felix G.
 

I actually got my first installation of Chrome from installing CCleaner, and then I thought, since it's there now, might as well have a look at it. That was the only time I installed something by accident and then actually kept it around because I liked it.

Gene <gsasner@...> schrieb am Di., 6. Feb. 2018 um 02:03 Uhr:

Avast shouldn't be installed and run if you are already using another antivirus program.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] important to read before installing CCleaner

Well avast you don't want, google toolbar you probably don't want.

But chrome, to be honest when does stuff become unwanted if you use it.

Like for example if you use avast, and or chrome, if it was bundled, its
1 less thing to load.

Avast and chrome are not the issue, its all this opencandy stuff.

Windows defender is supposed next month to be able to be more aggressive
with scareware etc which sadly seems to be more false positives nad
probably more targeting of the disabled, for games and other programs.




On 6/02/2018 11:57 a.m., Arlene wrote:
> I should say the unwanted stuff like google chrome or other stuff.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin
> Cussick via Groups.Io
> Sent: February-05-18 2:46 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] important to read before installing CCleaner
>
> sorry no.
>
> On 05/02/2018 21:44, Arlene wrote:
>> Can you get it off ninite?
>>
>> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
>> *Gene
>> *Sent:* February-05-18 10:11 AM
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> *Subject:* [nvda] important to read before installing CCleaner
>>
>> I didn't keep the messages in the current CCleaner thread but I
>> thought I should raise this very important point.
>>
>> CCleaner, as do so many free programs now comes bundled with one or
>> more programs you probably don't want. Some of these programs cause
>> people problems as well.
>>
>> Don't download and install the regular version of CCleaner.  Use
>> either the portable version or the version that is called something
>> like the slim version.
>>
>> Gene
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>




Re: my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

Moty Azrad
 

Chris,

 

I worte here some times that NVDA does not work with, google chrome, or firefox.esr, or MS Outlook 2010 Etc.

Again, I hope some one helps me. Gene worte here that this problem had been discussed here and the solution was written here but up to now, I didn't get any solution.

Thanks and hope for more support.

 

Thanks much again.

 

Moti

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 12:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

 

What is not working properly???

Without further information its all going to be a guess

 

 

 

 

From: Arlene
Sent: 05 February 2018 22:01
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

 

Hi, this person's having this problem with win ten.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra

Sent: February-05-18 6:47 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

 

hello.

just disk clean up does not cause problem for nvda.

i use disk clean up on windows xp, c drive only and have no issue with nvda.

 

On 2/5/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

> You have evidently removed a program that unregistered some dll files.

> How to reregister them has been discussed on the list before.  I

> didn't keep the information and I'll leave it to others to tell you

> where to find it, as to how to reregister them.  It's a simple

> procedure and it will probably solve your problem.

> Gene

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Moty Azrad

> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 6:07 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN

> WINDOWS10

> Dear all,

> I have windows10 home edition 64 bits.

> Jaws 2018 works very well.

> Nvda, 2017.4 or any snapshot, don't work properly.

> My question:

> Every month, I am doing disk cleanup and use the file system cleaning too.

> I delete it and  make after that defrag or optimize my SSD C: drive.

> can NVDA be damaged with this action I'm doing monthly?

> Again, Jaws is not damaged and works very well but NVDA, does not work

> properly with some programs as: firefox, google chrome, ms outlook

> 2010 Etc.

> I use to delete my restore points and create manually one.

> Thanks for any explanation or help for my isuue with NVDA.

> Moti

 

 

--

we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.

holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.

in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:

indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.

best website for studying islamic book in different languages www.al-islam.org

 

 

 

 

 

 


Advice for using the dictionary in CodeFactory

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Hi,
I thought I'd post this in case it might help someone.
When changing words in Vocalizer Expressive or Eloquence for CodeFactory, it would be best to use the speach dictionary built into NVDA as apposed to the dictionary CodeFactory provides.
The reason for this is two fold.
1. If you need to remove the addon for anyreason, you will lose any words you have added to CodeFactory's dictionary. You can export a copy, but if you make the changes in NVDA's speach dictionary, you don't have to worry.
2. CodeFactory's dictionary does not change the plural of the word only the singular.
For example, if you have read the Harry Potter books, the vocalizer UK voices pronounce Weasley as Weesly and the plural as Wealyes. If you correct this using CodeFactories dictionary, it will only correct the singular pronunciation not the plural. However, if you correct the word using NVDA's speach dictionary it adjusts the singular and the plural.
I hope this helps someone.
Chris


Re: Outlook 2013 and NVDA locking on password prompt

Gene
 

You can try using the object navigator commands and you can use the route and click mouse command.  If you don't know how to do these things, you can see explanations in Joseph Lee's NVDA tutorial, a very highly thought of work. 
 
I won't go into how to do these things in this message because I don't know what you know and how to use the object navigator can't practicablly be taught in an e-mail message. 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Pranav Lal
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 6:47 PM
Subject: [nvda] Outlook 2013 and NVDA locking on password prompt

Hi all,

I use Outlook 2013 at work on Windows 10.  If I connect to my work e-mail
from a network other than my work network, I am asked for a password. This
window comes up as a separate window on the computer. If I switch focus to
that window using alt+tab, NVDA tells me that it is not responding. I am
unable to enter any text in it but I can read the window title using nvda
key + t.

If someone clicks with the mouse to get focus to that window, I am able to
enter my password.

Has anyone else encountered this? I am using NVDA 2017.4.

Pranav




Re: NVDA question

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Kerryn,

I copied this from last October's In-Process re using OCR.  Basically:

To do OCR with NVDA 2017.4 on Windows 10:
1. Open the PDF file in Adobe Reader.
2. Press NVDA+r. NVDA reports “Recognising”. After a pause, NVDA reports “Result document”.
3. Although visually, the screen hasn’t changed, NVDA has placed the text recognised in the image in a “virtual document”. You can navigate around this just like a document in WordPad. Press NVDA+down arrow (laptop: NVDA+a) to read the whole document from the current point.
4. Press control+home to move to the top of the virtual document.
5. Press down arrow to move through and read the text line by line.
6. When finished, press escape to exit the virtual document.

Or, using Windows 7 or 8 OR NVDA earlier than 2017.3:
1. Open the PDF file in Adobe Reader.
2. Press NVDA+r. NVDA reports “Recognising”. After a pause, NVDA reports “Done”.
3. Although visually, the screen hasn’t changed, NVDA has placed the text recognised in the image in a “virtual document”. You can navigate around this using the review cursor. Press numpad plus (laptop: NVDA+shift+a) to read the whole document from the current point.
4. Press shift+numpad 7 (laptop: NVDA+control+home) to move to the top of the virtual document.
5. Press numpad 9 (laptop: NVDA+down arrow) to move through and read the text line by line.


With regard to "utilising the mouse arrow", could you please clarify exactly what you are trying to do?  Yes it is possible to do several things either with the mouse, or to the mouse and with further information, I can give you steps for that also.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:17 AM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io <k_gunness@...> wrote:
1 how to use NVDA to do OCR? say for pdf documents
2 with jaws the mouse arrow is utilised, could the mouse arrow be used with NVDA?
hey devin could u contact me privately?
email is
thanks
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

I like the idea too, along with voice changes or sounds to denote different attributes, such as style changes in word and email, or HTML elements on the web.
Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor

, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified by World Services for the Blind

On Feb 4, 2018, at 2:21 PM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

This actually reminds me of JFW in that an attachment was detected and for me I had a sliding tone play so I could know what was going on very quickly. I like the idea actually.

On Feb 4, 2018, at 3:12 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

You are assuming a sound would be wanted for every punctuation sign.  And at least in Engglish and many languages, there aren't that many.  Period, question mark, colon, semicolon quotation marks and you might want a sound for ellipsis.  You could have more sounds as well.  You could have sounds in the pronunciation dictionary so you can assign sounds for whatever you want.  The user could even put sound files in the program if he/she doesn't like what is provided.  Now let's see what kinds of sounds we might have.  Bell, whistle, door close, door open, chime, and all sorts of variations such as high pitch bell, low pitch bell, car dor, a door such as in a house, and other people may come up with all sorts of other examples.  The world is full of distinctive sounds.  And JAWS has had such a feature for probably over a dedcade so this is not at all a novel idea.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 2:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

No maybe not but this would need a lot of sounds and I question how easy it 
might be to come up with enough of them to be easy to recognise.
 Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


The user would select the sound for the specific punctuation.  There 
wouldn't be preassigned sounds.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 5:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


I'm sure you were aware that there was a now dead comedian who made a lot of
money with his monologues where he substituted sounds for Punctuation!
Victor Borge'

Now my one problem with having a mode like this is, given the number of
different marks and their meaning in different circumstances in different
languages, it could need one heck of a  lot of individual sounds to cover
them all. I do know what you are getting at different sorts of brackets and
colons etc, are main candidates, with underscores being also useful.

Maybe this is add on territory ie a programmers version as most of us prefer
not to hear these greater thans etc all over the place, but obviously such
things are important in programming as are brackets and indents etc.
 Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Malykh" <anton.malykh@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 10:16 PM
Subject: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


> Hello all,
>
> Is there a way to substitute punctuation marks with custom sounds? I am a
> developer and often times I have to listen to tongue twisters of
> punctuation marks, like "left bracket right brace left paren ..." I wish
> to replace all these parens and brackets with sounds. Is there a way to do
> so in NVDA?
>
> Thanks
> Tony
>
>
>
>











--
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Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

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NVDA question

Kerryn Gunness <k_gunness@...>
 

1 how to use NVDA to do OCR? say for pdf documents
2 with jaws the mouse arrow is utilised, could the mouse arrow be used with NVDA?
hey devin could u contact me privately?
email is
thanks

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

I like the idea too, along with voice changes or sounds to denote different attributes, such as style changes in word and email, or HTML elements on the web.
Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor

, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified by World Services for the Blind

On Feb 4, 2018, at 2:21 PM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

This actually reminds me of JFW in that an attachment was detected and for me I had a sliding tone play so I could know what was going on very quickly. I like the idea actually.

On Feb 4, 2018, at 3:12 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

You are assuming a sound would be wanted for every punctuation sign.  And at least in Engglish and many languages, there aren't that many.  Period, question mark, colon, semicolon quotation marks and you might want a sound for ellipsis.  You could have more sounds as well.  You could have sounds in the pronunciation dictionary so you can assign sounds for whatever you want.  The user could even put sound files in the program if he/she doesn't like what is provided.  Now let's see what kinds of sounds we might have.  Bell, whistle, door close, door open, chime, and all sorts of variations such as high pitch bell, low pitch bell, car dor, a door such as in a house, and other people may come up with all sorts of other examples.  The world is full of distinctive sounds.  And JAWS has had such a feature for probably over a dedcade so this is not at all a novel idea.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 2:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

No maybe not but this would need a lot of sounds and I question how easy it 
might be to come up with enough of them to be easy to recognise.
 Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


The user would select the sound for the specific punctuation.  There 
wouldn't be preassigned sounds.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 5:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


I'm sure you were aware that there was a now dead comedian who made a lot of
money with his monologues where he substituted sounds for Punctuation!
Victor Borge'

Now my one problem with having a mode like this is, given the number of
different marks and their meaning in different circumstances in different
languages, it could need one heck of a  lot of individual sounds to cover
them all. I do know what you are getting at different sorts of brackets and
colons etc, are main candidates, with underscores being also useful.

Maybe this is add on territory ie a programmers version as most of us prefer
not to hear these greater thans etc all over the place, but obviously such
things are important in programming as are brackets and indents etc.
 Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Malykh" <anton.malykh@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 10:16 PM
Subject: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


> Hello all,
>
> Is there a way to substitute punctuation marks with custom sounds? I am a
> developer and often times I have to listen to tongue twisters of
> punctuation marks, like "left bracket right brace left paren ..." I wish
> to replace all these parens and brackets with sounds. Is there a way to do
> so in NVDA?
>
> Thanks
> Tony
>
>
>
>









Re: Outlook 2013 and NVDA locking on password prompt

Jacob Kruger
 

Hi Pranav,


Something to try may be to switch to window using alt + tab, route mouse cursor there using NVDA + numpad /, and then use just numpad / to carry out a mouse click yourself?


Alternatively, you could use golden cursor add-on to set a standard mouse location that requires being clicked on at a later stage?


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2/6/2018 2:47 AM, Pranav Lal wrote:
Hi all,

I use Outlook 2013 at work on Windows 10. If I connect to my work e-mail
from a network other than my work network, I am asked for a password. This
window comes up as a separate window on the computer. If I switch focus to
that window using alt+tab, NVDA tells me that it is not responding. I am
unable to enter any text in it but I can read the window title using nvda
key + t.

If someone clicks with the mouse to get focus to that window, I am able to
enter my password.

Has anyone else encountered this? I am using NVDA 2017.4.

Pranav





Re: important to read before installing CCleaner

Gene
 

Avast shouldn't be installed and run if you are already using another antivirus program.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] important to read before installing CCleaner

Well avast you don't want, google toolbar you probably don't want.

But chrome, to be honest when does stuff become unwanted if you use it.

Like for example if you use avast, and or chrome, if it was bundled, its
1 less thing to load.

Avast and chrome are not the issue, its all this opencandy stuff.

Windows defender is supposed next month to be able to be more aggressive
with scareware etc which sadly seems to be more false positives nad
probably more targeting of the disabled, for games and other programs.




On 6/02/2018 11:57 a.m., Arlene wrote:
> I should say the unwanted stuff like google chrome or other stuff.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin
> Cussick via Groups.Io
> Sent: February-05-18 2:46 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] important to read before installing CCleaner
>
> sorry no.
>
> On 05/02/2018 21:44, Arlene wrote:
>> Can you get it off ninite?
>>
>> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
>> *Gene
>> *Sent:* February-05-18 10:11 AM
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> *Subject:* [nvda] important to read before installing CCleaner
>>
>> I didn't keep the messages in the current CCleaner thread but I
>> thought I should raise this very important point.
>>
>> CCleaner, as do so many free programs now comes bundled with one or
>> more programs you probably don't want. Some of these programs cause
>> people problems as well.
>>
>> Don't download and install the regular version of CCleaner.  Use
>> either the portable version or the version that is called something
>> like the slim version.
>>
>> Gene
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>




Outlook 2013 and NVDA locking on password prompt

Pranav Lal
 

Hi all,

I use Outlook 2013 at work on Windows 10. If I connect to my work e-mail
from a network other than my work network, I am asked for a password. This
window comes up as a separate window on the computer. If I switch focus to
that window using alt+tab, NVDA tells me that it is not responding. I am
unable to enter any text in it but I can read the window title using nvda
key + t.

If someone clicks with the mouse to get focus to that window, I am able to
enter my password.

Has anyone else encountered this? I am using NVDA 2017.4.

Pranav