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Re: programming question

Rick
 

Some additional resources:

 

Bart Busschots produces a podcast called “Programming by Stealth.” Starting with the basics of HTML and CSS, it gets into the intricacies of JavaScript and jQuery. It is entertaining and some episodes have homework with proposed solutions the next episode. This is an ongoing podcast, with 49 episodes so far. He even sometimes discusses accessibility.

 

https://www.bartbusschots.ie/s/blog/programming-by-stealth/

 

Another good resource is Deque University. They provide Comprehensive Web Accessibility courses. If you have a disability, you can qualify for free access to Deque University to learn web accessibility skills.

 

https://dequeuniversity.com/

 

Rick

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rayn Darren
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 9:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] programming question

 

May I suggest www.w3schools.com , it’s a wonderful resource and fully accessible. there are also several online schools that can be very helpful. You’re welcome to contact me off group if you want more info.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 6:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] programming question

 

rayn

it is abit challenging, i use

html.net

to read on how to build websites

 

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Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 10:00 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] programming question

 

You’re most welcome. May I ask how you’re going about learning web dev?

 

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Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 5:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] programming question

 

thank u rayn

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Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 8:25 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] programming question

 

Hi Kerryn,

 

NVDA works great with the following languages: HTML, CSS, PHP, JavaScript, Python, SQL. I know there are more that it probably works well with but those are the ones I can personally speak to. As to editors, Notepad++ is what I personally use and it’s wonderful as long as you remember to set up a profile to have all punctuation read. Hope this helps.

Rayn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 4:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] programming question

 

hi guys

1 does NVDA work with python or any popular programming language?

2 in developing websites, what software do you all use, note pad, note pad ++ or an external software like dream wever or fireworks?

is NVDA accessible with these?

thanks

 

kerryn

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Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 8:21 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

 

Hi everyone,

 

Sorry, I was out all day yesterday, so coming back in late to all the questions.  It looks like most have been answered.

 

Re the OCR, if you are using Windows 10 and NVDA 20173 or later, you don't need an addon for OCR.  If you are using an either version of either NVDA or Windows, then you will need the addon.  Basically, the OCR works on images, whether jpg graphic files or PDF documents etc.  It won't do the scanning of hardcopy documents itself - to do that you will need scanning software.  Any hardware scanner should come with software, and possibly also an OCR program, though how accessible and how good any of them are varies.  So the Windows 10 OCR, or the addon are really useful, but likely not a complete replacement for an OCR package like Omnipage or Abbyy Finereader, particularly for converting hardcopy documents into electronic text.

 

The other question was around using NVDA to control the mouse.  NVDA can click or lock either mouse button, make the focus jump to where the mouse pointer is, or jump the mouse pointer to the item with focus, see the User Guide for the keys for each: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#toc39

 

Windows has a "mousekeys" function which lets you move the mouse with the keyboard, and there is also an add-on for NVDA called "Golden Cursor" which has even more functionality: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/goldenCursor.en.html

 

The other thing to consider is why you want to move the mouse.  Depending on where you are and what you are trying to do, NVDA has a feature called "object navigation" which is very powerful although does take a little bit to get your head around.  Essentially object navigation lets you move through the objects in the current program (and out of the current program).  Microsoft Word for instance has objects for the ribbon, the scroll bars, ruler and main document.  When you go into an object (say the ribbon), you can move through the ribbon sections, then go down into a particular section to navigate through the ribbon items in that section.  Some people like it for navigating the ribbon, but another thing you can do with it, is get to features which you can't ordinarily get to with the keyboard and interact with it - it can be used to read, and copy read only text on a dialog box for instance.

 

Bonus tip: You can copy the text from a dialog box which has focus, by simply pressing CONTROL+C.  For instance, open Notepad, type something, press ALT+F4.  A dialog will appear asking "Do you want to save changes to untitled" with buttons for "save", "don't save" and "cancel".  To copy all that, simply press CONTROL+C.  It copies the following to the clipboard:

 

[Window Title]

Notepad

 

[Main Instruction]

Do you want to save changes to Untitled?

 

[Save] [Don't Save] [Cancel]

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 5:42 AM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi

If you look in the menus of nvda by pressing the nvda key + letter N then go down to preferences then right to general settings then down to windows 10 ocr there will be a menu there but is more to set your language. You must also have windows 10 as well at present i am using nvda 2017.4.

When you want to ocr say a photo with text etc in it make sure it is in focus then use the nvda key + letter R.

it will start recognizing it and rip the text out of it of which then you can arrow up and down to see what is there. It brings up a little windows where you can do that and even do it letter by letter and character by character. It can also be copied and pasted.

If you do not have a windows 10 machine that option will not be there.

Instead then you have to use the other ocr add on and it is slightly different to read the text. I can give directions to use that one and point you in the right direction if this is the case.

Gene nz


 

On 2/7/2018 9:02 PM, Alma wrote:

Hi Tina,

 

I’d like to know, too.      

 

Alma

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: tina sohl
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 8:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

 

I keep hearing that there is an OCR option for nvda is it true OCR? And that you can scan a piece of mail or a book with it? If that's true, how does it work and where do you get it I looked and can't find it and only see stuff about recognizing images on the screen like on Facebook or something but then I keep hearing that there is actual OCR so can someone tell me how to find it and if that's true or not thanks

sent from my android

 

On Feb 6, 2018 6:39 PM, "Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io" <k_gunness=yahoo.ca@groups.io> wrote:

thanks

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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

 

  1. NVDA-S
  2. 2) there will be an addin coming out soon doing exactley what you ask for

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

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Sent: Dienstag, 6. Februar 2018 19:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

 

1 how to turn off and on speach mode in NVDA

2 how to have numlock key be off when computer starts using NVDA and start it when u want

 

 

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Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 10:00 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

 

Hi Kerryn,

 

I copied this from last October's In-Process re using OCR.  Basically:

 

To do OCR with NVDA 2017.4 on Windows 10:

1. Open the PDF file in Adobe Reader.

2. Press NVDA+r. NVDA reports “Recognising”. After a pause, NVDA reports “Result document”.
3. Although visually, the screen hasn’t changed, NVDA has placed the text recognised in the image in a “virtual document”. You can navigate around this just like a document in WordPad. Press NVDA+down arrow (laptop: NVDA+a) to read the whole document from the current point.
4. Press control+home to move to the top of the virtual document.
5 Press down arrow to move through and read the text line by line.
6. When finished, press escape to exit the virtual document.

 

Or, using Windows 7 or 8 OR NVDA earlier than 2017.3:

1. Open the PDF file in Adobe Reader

2. Press NVDA+r. NVDA reports “Recognising”. After a pause, NVDA reports “Done”.
3. Although visually, the screen hasn’t changed, NVDA has placed the text recognised in the image in a “virtual document”. You can navigate around this using the review cursor. Press numpad plus (laptop: NVDA+shift+a) to read the whole document from the current point
4. Press shift+numpad 7 (laptop: NVDA+control+home) to move to the top of the virtual document.
5. Press numpad 9 (laptop: NVDA+down arrow) to move through and read the text line by line.

 

 

With regard to "utilising the mouse arrow", could you please clarify exactly what you are trying to do?  Yes it is possible to do several things either with the mouse, or to the mouse and with further information, I can give you steps for that also.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin

 

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:17 AM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io <k_gunness@...> wrote:

1 how to use NVDA to do OCR? say for pdf documents

2 with jaws the mouse arrow is utilised, could the mouse arrow be used with NVDA?

hey devin could u contact me privately?

email is

thanks

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 6:18 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

 

I like the idea too, along with voice changes or sounds to denote different attributes, such as style changes in word and email, or HTML elements on the web.

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor

Error! Filename not specified.
, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified by World Services for the Blind

 

On Feb 4, 2018, at 2:21 PM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

 

This actually reminds me of JFW in that an attachment was detected and for me I had a sliding tone play so I could know what was going on very quickly. I like the idea actually.

 

On Feb 4, 2018, at 3:12 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

 

You are assuming a sound would be wanted for every punctuation sign.  And at least in Engglish and many languages, there aren't that many.  Period, question mark, colon, semicolon quotation marks and you might want a sound for ellipsis.  You could have more sounds as well.  You could have sounds in the pronunciation dictionary so you can assign sounds for whatever you want.  The user could even put sound files in the program if he/she doesn't like what is provided.  Now let's see what kinds of sounds we might have  Bell, whistle, door close, door open, chime, and all sorts of variations such as high pitch bell, low pitch bell, car dor, a door such as in a house, and other people may come up with all sorts of other examples.  The world is full of distinctive sounds.  And JAWS has had such a feature for probably over a dedcade so this is not at all a novel idea.

 

Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

 

No maybe not but this would need a lot of sounds and I question how easy it 
might be to come up with enough of them to be easy to recognise.
 Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


The user would select the sound for the specific punctuation.  There 
wouldn't be preassigned sounds.

Gene
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I'm sure you were aware that there was a now dead comedian who made a lot of
money with his monologues where he substituted sounds for Punctuation!
Victor Borge'

Now my one problem with having a mode like this is, given the number of
different marks and their meaning in different circumstances in different
languages, it could need one heck of a  lot of individual sounds to cover
them all. I do know what you are getting at different sorts of brackets and
colons etc, are main candidates, with underscores being also useful.

Maybe this is add on territory ie a programmers version as most of us prefer
not to hear these greater thans etc all over the place, but obviously such
things are important in programming as are brackets and indents etc.
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Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 10:16 PM
Subject: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


> Hello all,
>
> Is there a way to substitute punctuation marks with custom sounds? I am a
> developer and often times I have to listen to tongue twisters of
> punctuation marks, like "left bracket right brace left paren .." I wish
> to replace all these parens and brackets with sounds. Is there a way to do
> so in NVDA?
>
> Thanks
> Tony
>
>
>
>




 

 



 

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Re: NVDA GOES SILENT SOMETIMES IN FIREFOX ON WIN10

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Ubloc origin seems not to have this issue, at least for me.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA GOES SILENT SOMETIMES IN FIREFOX ON WIN10



If you uninstall all FF addon and restart your FF, is it work fine?
I found "addblock" addon let my FF happened the same condition before some weeks.

thank you for much
Logo Kuo from Taiwan

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Hey folks,

For the past few weeks this has been getting progressively worse.
I bring up FF and hafter just a few minutes of reading a page, or
scrolling down in emails, NVDA goes silent. I wait for a few moments
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Re: NVDA And Automatic Update

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Normally auto updates are enabled, In fact I got one on the master branch this very morning, and it worked, though failed to restart the new copy and crashed, but hose who know me know this is a rare issue that can occur and is easily rectified. Now if you have a portable version, often one finds the update panel opens minimised. Indeed also the install or postpone dialogue does the same.

I don't think this is fixable as its been the case most of the time. All I can suggest for portable copies is now and then do an alt tab around the running processes and it will show up.
Be assured that when its installed, provided the box is checked for auto updates, it works ok for everyone I've spoken to.
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Subject: [nvda] NVDA And Automatic Update


Dear I have been using NVDA as a second option screen reader and wanted to use it as my first screen reader but before that I must learn how to use it just like I can use JAWS.
Today I’d like to talk about NVDA and automatic update.
Whenever an update of NVDA comes, my system is not telling me that the update is available.
I have started using NVDA snapshot which roughly updates every day but My NVDA doesn’t announce that an update is available.
Can anybody give me the solution?
I sincerely hope that my question will be entertained swiftly!
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Re: When posts contain email addresses

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Its total rubbish these days of course, kind of like the old proverb. shut the stable door after the horse has bolted?
Oh well.
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Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 12:53 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] When posts contain email addresses


I also noticed that Groups.io cuts out the full email address when viewing on the web. Not sure either why this has happened, probably something to do with antispam protection.


Re: Unable to Start Outlook 2016 While Running NVDA

Pranav Lal
 

Ralph,

 

Ctrl+tab also works. F6 is another key that also works to switch between panes.

 

Pranav


Re: Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

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Basically yes daisy which is purely audio is kind of arranged under headings. You can make the indexing as deep as you like, but it works a little like a tree does but on a player there are navigation controls to help you just listen to the bits you want by drilling down to them through the indexes.

Brian

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Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018


You need an mp3 player unless you can look and play the files separately. I haven't looked at the layout of Daisy books enough to know. the whole point of the daisy format is to be able to see material as you listen. JAWS has training material in the daisy format. You can listen to the text, listen to the audio, or skim or search the text to find something and then, listen to the audio. The two are synchronized. There is no additional benefit in listening to the mp3 files in the Daisy book as stand alone files in an mp3 player. You already can get the tutorial in that form..

I should also say that I have hardly used Daisy material. Perhaps there is just Daisy material that is almost all just recorded audio. If so, I would think there would be some sort of text you can look at that indicates the beginning of sections and perhaps gives names of the different sections so you can search for the section you want, then start listening to the audio at that point.

Gene
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From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 3:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018


Hi,

The audio recordings are in mp3 format, which may explain why this isn't working.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 1:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018



Hi, Joseph,



I'm not able to read the daisy format of the tutorial. Do you have to have a special player or is this a word document?



Rosemarie







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 9:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018



Hi everyone,



Thanks to AccessiDocs project from Pennsylvania Council of the Blind, an audio DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018 tutorial set is now available from:

http://www.josephsl.net/files/nvda18/DB-Welcome_to_NVDA_2018-by-Joseph_lee.zip



The DAISY book is a bit out of date, but for the most part, it is up to date.



Also, a UK-based charity named BCAB has offered to distribute this tutorial set on physical media for a fee.



Enjoy.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

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Normally they are mp3 files with control files that are basically indexing. Some may have text but not all. I know for example that some daisy stuff here are just indexed mp3 files. In fact if they are made correctly they normally play on an mp3 player if burned to a cd. Obviously not tested this specific one though.
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Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018


Hi, Joseph,



I'm not able to read the daisy format of the tutorial. Do you have to have a
special player or is this a word document?



Rosemarie







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph
Lee
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 9:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018



Hi everyone,



Thanks to AccessiDocs project from Pennsylvania Council of the Blind, an
audio DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018 tutorial set is now available
from:

http://www.josephsl.net/files/nvda18/DB-Welcome_to_NVDA_2018-by-Joseph_lee.z
ip



The DAISY book is a bit out of date, but for the most part, it is up to
date.



Also, a UK-based charity named BCAB has offered to distribute this tutorial
set on physical media for a fee.



Enjoy.

Cheers,

Joseph




Re: Unable to start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running

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Having asked around, I'm not convinced this an outlook fault at least not in the true sense of the word. its some kind of interaction going on. May well be specific to a certain build of office, or even windows itself. Not having it here I cannot say, but the last person I spoke to resolved it by taking the machine back a few days to before it started.
Brian

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Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unable to start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running


Hello Ralph,

This is quite strange. Try to reinstall Outlook. I assume power point, excel and word work perperly. Right? You can also do a repair so that you don't have to reinstall anything.


Best
Adriani


Best
Adriani

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von
Ralph Boersema
Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Februar 2018 21:52
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] Unable to start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running

Friends,

I guess I am dealing with two distinct problems. With regard to switching
folders, Ctrl-Shift + Tab does the job. Thanks for this!

The other problem is that if I turn off Outlook I cannot start it so long as NVDA
is running. I exit NVDA and ask a sighted person to start Outlook for me. This
problem arose only two days ago.

Any suggestions? I am running Windows 10.

Warmly,
Ralph



Re: Unable to start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running

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When you try to start it with nvda running are there any error messages generated or anything in the nvda debug log that shows something odd going on?
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralph Boersema" <ralph@refmail.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 8:52 PM
Subject: [nvda] Unable to start Outlook 2016 While NVDA Is Running


Friends,

I guess I am dealing with two distinct problems. With regard to switching folders, Ctrl-Shift + Tab does the job. Thanks for this!

The other problem is that if I turn off Outlook I cannot start it so long as NVDA is running. I exit NVDA and ask a sighted person to start Outlook for me. This problem arose only two days ago.

Any suggestions? I am running Windows 10.

Warmly,
Ralph


Re: about taskmanager

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Hmm so one is forced to wonder why they do not ship it as standard. I suspect we here have a situation where its only slow for us blind folk, and this is probably due to the usual issues of slow UI routines again then.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "JM Casey" <crystallogic@ca.inter.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager


Hi everyone.



I replaced Windows 10 Task Manager with Process Explorer from Sysinternals, because of the speed problem. The “fewer details” view in task manager isn’t that useful, and I found both NVDA and jAWS to be so sluggish in the detailed view that Task Manager was basically intolerable to use. Process Explorer has more capability, but also responds very quickly and works just as well with a screen-reader as Task manager really should. The program and all the others in the suite are owned by Microsoft now and there is an option within Process Explorer that enables you to replace the OS task manager. This means your ctrl-shift-esc keyboard command will activate it. Pretty neat.







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: February 9, 2018 10:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager



Hi,

It also depends on which view Task Manager is in, as it defaults to showing you fewer details.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 7:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager



I mormally find with Narrator Task Manager responds pretty much instantly.

Narrator does not interact with Task Manager in the same way as NVDA as you need to travel across all the eleements headings for each process rather than simply cursorring down the list of processes as you might expect with NVDA but as I say it is pretty instantaneous and you can get to where you want pretty easily. Just turn on scan mode with caps lock space bar and simply cursor down through the window. You will hear each process followed by the reading for each process like CPU etc but eventually you will reach the next process down. Continue down through the list to get to where you want to go.



David Griffith







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http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
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From: Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
Sent: 09 February 2018 14:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about taskmanager



Hi Paul,

Task Manager is a bit slow on Windows 10 due to the way it implements UIA. Make sure you got the Windows 10 Essentials add-on installed, and after opening Task Manager, give it some time to fully establish communication with NVDA. For me, anything up to a minute or even slightly more is unfortunately normal.

Greetings,

Felix



P. Otter <pam.otter@gmail.com> schrieb am Fr., 9. Feb. 2018 um 13:13 Uhr:

hello, a long, long time ago, it was possible for me to use the taskmanager.
so it was possible to stop a programm to run.
now, i've problems with my skype, i've updated it to 7.40 but there is
something wrong in this version.
i'm using windows 10 (newest version) and nvda2017.4
from the moment i'm running 7.40 of skype, and someone is calling me, i
hear skype ringing, that is as usual.
but when i accepted the call, skype keeps ringing, also when i've ended
the call, skype keeps ringing until i've stoped skype in the taskmanager
or i've reboot my computer.
what i wrote before, it was a long time ago possible to use the
taskmager but now i only hear list, list, list.
there is nothing i can do else than reboot my computer.
that is very annoing
is there a possibillity to use the taskmanager again or ofcaurse a
solution to use skype without false ringing problems?
i have 64 bit windows 10 running.
thank you in advance for your answer
regards
paul otter


Re: Making pauses durring say all?

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Do you mean, just to pause it manually or are you asking if there is some control character, you can embed to do this always?
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Turner" <meturner2214@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 8:37 PM
Subject: [nvda] Making pauses durring say all?


Hi folks.

Subject says it all.

Let's say I'm reading a book, or what ever, is there anyway to have the voice I'm using pause, while reading?



Re: Some issues

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If the person feels OK writing a short text file and placing it on the desktop or in the root with a shortcut on the desktop, I have found this batch file invaluable to get the last log safely. If done after the nvda F1 it contains the info that generated as well as rebooting nnvda.

Make a new text file as below.
Ie in notepad, not a word processor.

@echo off
cd "%temp%"
start /WAIT nvda.exe -q

start notepad.exe nvda.log
rem, this line just kicks its heels for a bit to make sure the log is loaded into notepad before rebooting nvda.
ping -n 5 127.0.0.1>nul
start nvda.exe
exit

That is it. I have found the delay to be most helpful in not mucking up the log if the computer is a little slow if the error has slowed stuff down.

Note make sure that no wordwrap is on. We do not want any line to wrap as it probably has in this email!
Brian
Brian




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----- Original Message -----
From: "Adriani Botez" <adriani.botez@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some issues


Hello,



great to have you in our community.



Please do following to accelerate investigations:

1. Go to NVDA-Menu (NVDA+n) and go to preferences / general settings
2. Set the debugging level to "debug"
3. When outlook crashes or when NVDA is becoming silent, press NVDA+f1
after NVDA is responding again. But please do not restart NVDA before
pressing NVDA+f1
4. Please try to reproduce your problem as soon as possible after
starting NVDA because otherwise the log file which is generated when
pressing NVDA+f1 will be very long
5. Save the log file and send it here by e-mail or create an issue on
github.



Thanks.





Best

Adriani



Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von
Othoniel Cavanellas
Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Februar 2018 12:52
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] Some issues



Hello,

I have been using NVDA for the past 30 days and I am experiencing problems
with Outlook 2016. If NVDA is active, whenever I switch from one mailbox to
another, Outlook crashes and is restarted. It also happens when I open
certain types of messages, normally messages with some type of image
inbedded (in this case I close NVDA and the message opens OK). I also
tested shutting down the antivirus to see if I was affecting NVDA, but the
problems persist.



Below you have my PC config:



Windows 10 PRO Portuguese version 1709 edition 16299.192

NVDA version 2017.4

MS Office 365

Trendmicro Maximum Security

Another issue is that sometimes NVDA mutes for no reason, and suddenly
restarts talking, or if I force its restart, it works again.



Can you guys help me with these problems?



Many thanks and greetings from Brazil!



Othoniel Cavanellas

Rio de Janeiro






Re: suggestion for feedback

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I don't think you stand any chance of getting github to change, which was the main thrust of my earlier comments about this problem It has seemed to me that since we moved from trac, fewer 'novice' users have been testing and reporting issues both on the main releases or the snaps. This seems to be because of the complexity of github for the novice who just wants to say, I did this that or the other as it says in the instructions and this weird stuff happened.If they post it here, and its not resolved simply then the next step is quite daunting when it involves github.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Adriani Botez" <adriani.botez@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] suggestion for feedback


Hey Rusty and Quentin,



I have created an issue on Github regarding an integrated feedback hub. Just search for feedback hub on github under issues.



That issue has been closed. Now I understand how important a centralized platform is. However, my thought was actually to connect github with the feedback hub in NVDA. So, for example people who have an account on nvaccess.org can create issues in the integrated feedback hub and the issues will automatically be uploaded on github.



But my idea is not perfect since people would try to write feedback in their own language, so we would need a synchronization with translators. This should remain part of community work and language maintainers should create issues on github for people who cannot speak english.



So, my conclusion is that github should remain as it is now.





Best

Adriani



Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Quentin Christensen
Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Februar 2018 00:46
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] suggestion for feedback



Hi Rusty,



Having a link directly to the issue tracker (even to create a new issue) isn't a bad idea (unfortunately it will require someone to create an issue on Github to get the ball rolling *grin*). As we use GitHub, it would still open a browser and you would need to be logged into (or create) a Github account. Even if we moved away from Github to another issue tracker, I don't see a way around that, as the issue tracker does several things:

1. It keeps track of issues that people raise and allows them to be prioritised and followed through to completion.

2. By registering, it allows the developers to ask follow-up questions, provide links to test builds so the original person (and anyone else interested) can see if we have indeed resolved the issue.

3. It allows issues to be searchable and keeps them all in one place.



If we just had say a "provide feedback" option in NVDA which simply sent us an e-mail with your problem / idea / etc, then it would be hard to keep track of who had asked for what, how many people were having a particular problem, and we would get a lot of duplicate e-mails.



The other thing with Github is that while NV Access has several in-house developers, there are many others around the world who also contribute code, testing, feedback and other assistance and we need a central repository to make that all possible. If you e-mailed me and asked for a particular feature, we can look at it, but it might be something that isn't a high enough priority to get to immediately. It might however, be something one of our other contributors has an interest in and would like to write some code to support and they may be able to get to it faster, but I don't necessarily know who might be interested.



So, in short... would you like to create a github issue with your idea? https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/new



Regards



Quentin.



On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@gmail.com <mailto:rustys.lists@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hey folks,
I think it would be a GREAT idea for NVDA to have a feedback option
right in the NVDA menu.
"report a problem" or something like that.
Honestly, it's easier for me to just use another browser than to slog
through a registration and goofing around in github to report a
problem.

I know, NVDA is donation ware, but it might make the product even
better to make giving feedback a more painless process. :)

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alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;"
/></a></td>
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font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
line-height: 18px;">Virus-free. <a
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height="1"></a></div>

On 2/8/18, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@gmail.com <mailto:rustys.lists@gmail.com> > wrote:
Well, my fix was Chrome browser. :)
Works just fine so far. So, this is not an NVDA and windows thing as
far as I can tell.

Rusty
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target="_blank"><img
src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-green-avg-v1.png"
alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;"
/></a></td>
<td style="width: 470px; padding-top: 12px; color: #41424e;
font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
line-height: 18px;">Virus-free. <a
href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> &utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
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</table><a href="#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2" width="1"
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On 2/8/18, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io
<the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io <mailto:googlemail.com@groups.io> > wrote:
no help but I have reported this more than once. but don't have a fix.
using windows 10 64 bit and ff ESR what ever the latest incarnation of
this is hope this helps. and fire fox is 32 bit.

On 08/02/2018 19:23, Rusty Perez wrote:
Hey folks,

For the past few weeks this has been getting progressively worse.
I bring up FF and hafter just a few minutes of reading a page, or
scrolling down in emails, NVDA goes silent. I wait for a few moments
and speech comes back.

any thoughts, or fixes.<div
id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br
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target="_blank"><img
src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-green-avg-v1.png"
alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;"
/></a></td>
<td style="width: 470px; padding-top: 12px; color: #41424e;
font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
line-height: 18px;">Virus-free. <a
href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> &utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> </a>
</td>
</tr>
</table><a href="#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2" width="1"
height="1"></a></div>















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Training and Support Manager



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Re: When posts contain email addresses

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So how come then that the email list does not have this truncation?
I agree with you. The best way to educate a user about the risks is to let them make mistakes and hence email addresses are these days often disposable so if you are getting spam, change the address and if needed create one separately for any use that might attract it. It has not been my experience after being around since the beginning of the public internet, that you get more spam or scams whether you publish or not, it perhaps was more rife in the early days but not now. I can tell for example that some have hacked isp databases by the fact that they use the random address you are given at sign up which you change to a memorable alias, leaving the old one still intact, but never used on line
Of course employees of some companies are crooks, though they probably would not suggest they are, what is the harm of a mailing list etc.

So yes, if you are a user of the web based forums I do not agree with this nanny hand holding stuff when there used to be warnings on them all and it was up to the user to be careful.
Sorry rant over. Its off topic and I'll castigate myself soon as I log off!

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 4:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] When posts contain email addresses


Groups.io "fig leafs" all e-mail addresses that are not actual groups.io addresses in its web interface. There has been extensive and heated debate about this on the beta group, where features of Groups.io as a whole are discussed and new features and changes to existing ones are proposed.

I am of the "if you send it out by e-mail unmasked it should be presented in precisely the same way on the web interface" contingent, but we're the minority. Up until very recently most online forums absolutely did not do this kind of e-mail address truncation. The concern about spambots is, in my opinion, not really legitimate as the methods for culling e-mail addresses in cyberspace are so many that you're never going to stop it. Not to mention that any e-mail provider and/or e-mail client worth its salt has had spam filtering built in for decades now.

Spam is a fact of life. If I elect to post my own e-mail address in a message I'd prefer that this address be shown, as I'm aware of the risks. Anyone who's been using the internet and online communication methods of any sort for more than a few months should be well aware of the risks.

Groups.io is not ever going to change this, however. This is why I tell people that if you wish to supply an e-mail address you are permitted to supply (which means your own or addresses you have legitimate control over, but no others) you should use the "written out" method, e.g. bitbucket120 at gmail dot com.
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* ~ * *Niels Bohr*


Re: NVDA And Automatic Update

Richard Bartholomew
 

You mention you are using JAWS, too; in which case, you should be able to read the DAISY recordings using FS Reader.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io
Sent: 10 February 2018 01:57
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA And Automatic Update

 

Dear I have been using NVDA as a second option screen reader and wanted to use it as my first screen reader but before that I must learn how to use it just like I can use JAWS.

Today I’d like to talk about NVDA and automatic update.

Whenever an update of NVDA comes, my system is not telling me that the update is available.

I have started using NVDA snapshot which roughly updates every day but My NVDA doesn’t announce that an update is available.

Can anybody give me the solution?

I sincerely hope that my question will be entertained swiftly!

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Re: NVDA GOES SILENT SOMETIMES IN FIREFOX ON WIN10

Gene
 

You don't have to uninstall any add ons.  You can run firefox in its own safe mode.  That has nothing to do with Windows safe mode.  it stops anything from running but the browser
 
I'm not sure I remember the correct command.  I've almost never done it and I'm using the portable version which doesn't use the command.  You can run it in safe mode but using a different procedure I don't recall.  For the installed version, I think the command is shift enter.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: 特種兵
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA GOES SILENT SOMETIMES IN FIREFOX ON WIN10


   If you uninstall all FF addon and restart your FF, is it work fine?
   I found "addblock" addon let my FF happened the same condition before
some weeks.

thank you for much
Logo Kuo from Taiwan

Rusty Perez 於 2018/2/9 上午 03:23 寫道:
> Hey folks,
>
> For the past few weeks this has been getting progressively worse.
> I bring up FF and hafter just a few minutes of reading a page, or
> scrolling down in emails, NVDA goes silent. I wait for a few moments
> and speech comes back.
>
> any thoughts, or fixes.<div id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br />
> <table style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;">
> <tr>
>          <td style="width: 55px; padding-top: 13px;"><a
> href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
> target="_blank"><img
> src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-green-avg-v1.png"
> alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;"
> /></a></td>
> <td style="width: 470px; padding-top: 12px; color: #41424e;
> font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
> line-height: 18px;">Virus-free. <a
> href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
> target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avg.com</a>
> </td>
> </tr>
> </table><a href="#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2" width="1"
> height="1"></a></div>
>
>
>




Re: When posts contain email addresses

 

Groups.io "fig leafs" all e-mail addresses that are not actual groups.io addresses in its web interface.  There has been extensive and heated debate about this on the beta group, where features of Groups.io as a whole are discussed and new features and changes to existing ones are proposed.

I am of the "if you send it out by e-mail unmasked it should be presented in precisely the same way on the web interface" contingent, but we're the minority.  Up until very recently most online forums absolutely did not do this kind of e-mail address truncation.  The concern about spambots is, in my opinion, not really legitimate as the methods for culling e-mail addresses in cyberspace are so many that you're never going to stop it.  Not to mention that any e-mail provider and/or e-mail client worth its salt has had spam filtering built in for decades now.

Spam is a fact of life.   If I elect to post my own e-mail address in a message I'd prefer that this address be shown, as I'm aware of the risks.  Anyone who's been using the internet and online communication methods of any sort for more than a few months should be well aware of the risks.

Groups.io is not ever going to change this, however.   This is why I tell people that if you wish to supply an e-mail address you are permitted to supply (which means your own or addresses you have legitimate control over, but no others) you should use the "written out" method, e.g. bitbucket120 at gmail dot com.
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     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

            Niels Bohr

 

 


Re: NVDA GOES SILENT SOMETIMES IN FIREFOX ON WIN10

特種兵
 

If you uninstall all FF addon and restart your FF, is it work fine?
  I found "addblock" addon let my FF happened the same condition before some weeks.

thank you for much
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Hey folks,

For the past few weeks this has been getting progressively worse.
I bring up FF and hafter just a few minutes of reading a page, or
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Re: Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

If you have winamp, you can download the file and play it but you can't jump from section to section. You'd have to have something like a victor reader stream or plex-talk.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of inamuddinInam Uddin via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 6:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

 

Is it possible for me to listen this on my windows 10 desktop PC?

If so, what can I do?

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From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 6:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

 

Hi Rose Marie,

 

If you have an NLS player, you should be able to use it for Daisy books.  Of course you won't get a text accompaniment, but it will play them and if properly constructed, you can move by chapters, sections ETC.

 

 

On 2/9/2018 5:29 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Thank you. I do have the original tutorial that Joseph did on my external music drive. I don't have plex-talk or a victor stream reader but the original tutorial will be just fine for me.

 

Thanks again.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Bartholomew
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 1:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

 

Pure audio DAISY allows you, provided it’s been properly structured, to jump to the start of chapters, sections, paragraphs etc; however, you do need a DAISY-compatible player such as the Victor Reader Stream or Plextalk or DAISY software to take advantage of this.

 

Richard Bartholomew

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 09 February 2018 21:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

 

You need an mp3 player unless you can look and play the files separately.  I haven't looked at the layout of Daisy books enough to know.  the whole point of the daisy format is to be able to see material as you listen.  JAWS has training material in the daisy format.  You can listen to the text, listen to the audio, or skim or search the text to find something and then, listen to the audio.  The two are synchronized.  There is no additional benefit in listening to the mp3 files in the Daisy book as stand alone files in an mp3 player.  You already can get the tutorial in that form.. 

 

I should also say that I have hardly used Daisy material.  Perhaps there is just Daisy material that is almost all just recorded audio.  If so, I would think there would be some sort of text you can look at that indicates the beginning of sections and perhaps gives names of the different sections so you can search for the section you want, then start listening to the audio at that point.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 3:22 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

 

Hi,

The audio recordings are in mp3 format, which may explain why this isn’t working.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 1:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

 

Hi, Joseph,

 

I'm not able to read the daisy format of the tutorial. Do you have to have a special player or is this a word document?

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 9:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

 

Hi everyone,

 

Thanks to AccessiDocs project from Pennsylvania Council of the Blind, an audio DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018 tutorial set is now available from:

http://www.josephsl.net/files/nvda18/DB-Welcome_to_NVDA_2018-by-Joseph_lee.zip

 

The DAISY book is a bit out of date, but for the most part, it is up to date.

 

Also, a UK-based charity named BCAB has offered to distribute this tutorial set on physical media for a fee.

 

Enjoy.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

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Re: Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

inamuddinInam Uddin
 

Is it possible for me to listen this on my windows 10 desktop PC?

If so, what can I do?

With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:

Charlsdarwin1

 

 

Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@...
Inamuddin.ronaque@...
outlook:
inam092@...
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@...
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
Call me on my cell numbers:
+92-300-2227598
+92-334-3348409

 

From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 6:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

 

Hi Rose Marie,

 

If you have an NLS player, you should be able to use it for Daisy books.  Of course you won't get a text accompaniment, but it will play them and if properly constructed, you can move by chapters, sections ETC.

 

 

On 2/9/2018 5:29 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Thank you. I do have the original tutorial that Joseph did on my external music drive. I don't have plex-talk or a victor stream reader but the original tutorial will be just fine for me.

 

Thanks again.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Bartholomew
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 1:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

 

Pure audio DAISY allows you, provided it’s been properly structured, to jump to the start of chapters, sections, paragraphs etc; however, you do need a DAISY-compatible player such as the Victor Reader Stream or Plextalk or DAISY software to take advantage of this.

 

Richard Bartholomew

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 09 February 2018 21:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

 

You need an mp3 player unless you can look and play the files separately.  I haven't looked at the layout of Daisy books enough to know.  the whole point of the daisy format is to be able to see material as you listen.  JAWS has training material in the daisy format.  You can listen to the text, listen to the audio, or skim or search the text to find something and then, listen to the audio.  The two are synchronized.  There is no additional benefit in listening to the mp3 files in the Daisy book as stand alone files in an mp3 player.  You already can get the tutorial in that form.. 

 

I should also say that I have hardly used Daisy material.  Perhaps there is just Daisy material that is almost all just recorded audio.  If so, I would think there would be some sort of text you can look at that indicates the beginning of sections and perhaps gives names of the different sections so you can search for the section you want, then start listening to the audio at that point.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 3:22 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

 

Hi,

The audio recordings are in mp3 format, which may explain why this isn’t working.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 1:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

 

Hi, Joseph,

 

I'm not able to read the daisy format of the tutorial. Do you have to have a special player or is this a word document?

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 9:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Now available: DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018

 

Hi everyone,

 

Thanks to AccessiDocs project from Pennsylvania Council of the Blind, an audio DAISY version of Welcome to NVDA 2018 tutorial set is now available from:

http://www.josephsl.net/files/nvda18/DB-Welcome_to_NVDA_2018-by-Joseph_lee.zip

 

The DAISY book is a bit out of date, but for the most part, it is up to date.

 

Also, a UK-based charity named BCAB has offered to distribute this tutorial set on physical media for a fee.

 

Enjoy.

Cheers,

Joseph



-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"