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Re: programming question

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

Greetings.  I am a programming student in second semester of a three year college program.

Last semester, I did javascript, html, and css in notepad plusplus and I did sql in microsoft sequal server 2016.  I also did the text based stuff on my android phone using droid edit, but that's no matter as far as NVDA is concerned.

This semester I'm doing csharp also called c# in microsoft visual studio.  I'm doing json in notepad plusplus, and tsql in sequal server. 

I am not running into any barriers in notepad plusplus, ms sequal server, or ms visual studio as far as the introductory lessons that a first year programming student gets to do.

I do have some minor annoyances.  For example, sequal server with nvda announces each line number which I find super helpful.  Notepad plusplus, visual studio and nvda do not announce line numbers.  I can use go to line in all three but it's slow if one has to guess the line number.

Visual studio, NVDA announces when a control in the designer lies within a group box; however, I have not yet twigged to how to group controls or get their positions relative to the group box.  Since it doesn't stop me from coding, I suspect it will be some time before I address this problem fully.

Visual studio, first letter navigation doesn't work in the properties list.  If you start typing, it changes the value of the currently selected property.

I've filed all this under "sh*t you have to put up with" for the time being unless some one has quick and dirty solutions.

I have not gotten to touch eclypse yet and may never for purposes of this diploma.  My college is a very hard line microsoft school, though we are touching storage systems with python later on in the semester.

That's all I got as far as monderings of a first year programming student goes.  Over all, I am completely satisfied with nvda performance in all of the programming environments I tried so far.

Hope this helps,

Erik

On February 8, 2018 7:13:05 PM "Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io" <k_gunness@...> wrote:

hi guys
1 does NVDA work with python or any popular programming language?
2 in developing websites, what software do you all use, note pad, note pad ++ or an external software like dream wever or fireworks?
is NVDA accessible with these?
thanks
 
kerryn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

Hi everyone,

Sorry, I was out all day yesterday, so coming back in late to all the questions.  It looks like most have been answered.

Re the OCR, if you are using Windows 10 and NVDA 2017.3 or later, you don't need an addon for OCR.  If you are using an either version of either NVDA or Windows, then you will need the addon.  Basically, the OCR works on images, whether jpg graphic files or PDF documents etc.  It won't do the scanning of hardcopy documents itself - to do that you will need scanning software.  Any hardware scanner should come with software, and possibly also an OCR program, though how accessible and how good any of them are varies.  So the Windows 10 OCR, or the addon are really useful, but likely not a complete replacement for an OCR package like Omnipage or Abbyy Finereader, particularly for converting hardcopy documents into electronic text.

The other question was around using NVDA to control the mouse.  NVDA can click or lock either mouse button, make the focus jump to where the mouse pointer is, or jump the mouse pointer to the item with focus, see the User Guide for the keys for each: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#toc39

Windows has a "mousekeys" function which lets you move the mouse with the keyboard, and there is also an add-on for NVDA called "Golden Cursor" which has even more functionality: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/goldenCursor.en.html

The other thing to consider is why you want to move the mouse.  Depending on where you are and what you are trying to do, NVDA has a feature called "object navigation" which is very powerful although does take a little bit to get your head around.  Essentially object navigation lets you move through the objects in the current program (and out of the current program).  Microsoft Word for instance has objects for the ribbon, the scroll bars, ruler and main document.  When you go into an object (say the ribbon), you can move through the ribbon sections, then go down into a particular section to navigate through the ribbon items in that section.  Some people like it for navigating the ribbon, but another thing you can do with it, is get to features which you can't ordinarily get to with the keyboard and interact with it - it can be used to read, and copy read only text on a dialog box for instance.

Bonus tip: You can copy the text from a dialog box which has focus, by simply pressing CONTROL+C.  For instance, open Notepad, type something, press ALT+F4.  A dialog will appear asking "Do you want to save changes to untitled" with buttons for "save", "don't save" and "cancel".  To copy all that, simply press CONTROL+C.  It copies the following to the clipboard:

[Window Title]
Notepad

[Main Instruction]
Do you want to save changes to Untitled?

[Save] [Don't Save] [Cancel]

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 5:42 AM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi

If you look in the menus of nvda by pressing the nvda key + letter N then go down to preferences then right to general settings then down to windows 10 ocr there will be a menu there but is more to set your language. You must also have windows 10 as well at present i am using nvda 2017.4.

When you want to ocr say a photo with text etc in it make sure it is in focus then use the nvda key + letter R.

it will start recognizing it and rip the text out of it of which then you can arrow up and down to see what is there. It brings up a little windows where you can do that and even do it letter by letter and character by character. It can also be copied and pasted.

If you do not have a windows 10 machine that option will not be there.

Instead then you have to use the other ocr add on and it is slightly different to read the text. I can give directions to use that one and point you in the right direction if this is the case.

Gene nz

 
On 2/7/2018 9:02 PM, Alma wrote:

Hi Tina,

 

I’d like to know, too.      

 

Alma

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: tina sohl
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 8:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

 

I keep hearing that there is an OCR option for nvda is it true OCR? And that you can scan a piece of mail or a book with it? If that's true, how does it work and where do you get it I looked and can't find it and only see stuff about recognizing images on the screen like on Facebook or something but then I keep hearing that there is actual OCR so can someone tell me how to find it and if that's true or not thanks

sent from my android

 

On Feb 6, 2018 6:39 PM, "Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io" <k_gunness=yahoo.ca@groups.io> wrote:

thanks

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 3:27 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

 

  1. NVDA-S
  2. 2) there will be an addin coming out soon doing exactley what you ask for

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io
Sent: Dienstag, 6. Februar 2018 19:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

 

1 how to turn off and on speach mode in NVDA

2 how to have numlock key be off when computer starts using NVDA and start it when u want

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 10:00 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

 

Hi Kerryn,

 

I copied this from last October's In-Process re using OCR.  Basically:

 

To do OCR with NVDA 2017.4 on Windows 10:

1. Open the PDF file in Adobe Reader.

2. Press NVDA+r. NVDA reports “Recognising”. After a pause, NVDA reports “Result document”.
3. Although visually, the screen hasn’t changed, NVDA has placed the text recognised in the image in a “virtual document”. You can navigate around this just like a document in WordPad. Press NVDA+down arrow (laptop: NVDA+a) to read the whole document from the current point.
4. Press control+home to move to the top of the virtual document.
5. Press down arrow to move through and read the text line by line.
6. When finished, press escape to exit the virtual document.

 

Or, using Windows 7 or 8 OR NVDA earlier than 2017.3:

1. Open the PDF file in Adobe Reader

2. Press NVDA+r. NVDA reports “Recognising”. After a pause, NVDA reports “Done”.
3. Although visually, the screen hasn’t changed, NVDA has placed the text recognised in the image in a “virtual document”. You can navigate around this using the review cursor. Press numpad plus (laptop: NVDA+shift+a) to read the whole document from the current point
4. Press shift+numpad 7 (laptop: NVDA+control+home) to move to the top of the virtual document.
5. Press numpad 9 (laptop: NVDA+down arrow) to move through and read the text line by line.

 

 

With regard to "utilising the mouse arrow", could you please clarify exactly what you are trying to do?  Yes it is possible to do several things either with the mouse, or to the mouse and with further information, I can give you steps for that also.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin

 

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:17 AM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io <k_gunness@...> wrote:

1 how to use NVDA to do OCR? say for pdf documents

2 with jaws the mouse arrow is utilised, could the mouse arrow be used with NVDA?

hey devin could u contact me privately?

email is

thanks

----- Original Message -----

From: Devin Prater

Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 6:18 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

 

I like the idea too, along with voice changes or sounds to denote different attributes, such as style changes in word and email, or HTML elements on the web.

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor

Error! Filename not specified.
, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified by World Services for the Blind

 

On Feb 4, 2018, at 2:21 PM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

 

This actually reminds me of JFW in that an attachment was detected and for me I had a sliding tone play so I could know what was going on very quickly. I like the idea actually.

 

On Feb 4, 2018, at 3:12 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

 

You are assuming a sound would be wanted for every punctuation sign.  And at least in Engglish and many languages, there aren't that many.  Period, question mark, colon, semicolon quotation marks and you might want a sound for ellipsis.  You could have more sounds as well.  You could have sounds in the pronunciation dictionary so you can assign sounds for whatever you want.  The user could even put sound files in the program if he/she doesn't like what is provided.  Now let's see what kinds of sounds we might have  Bell, whistle, door close, door open, chime, and all sorts of variations such as high pitch bell, low pitch bell, car dor, a door such as in a house, and other people may come up with all sorts of other examples.  The world is full of distinctive sounds.  And JAWS has had such a feature for probably over a dedcade so this is not at all a novel idea.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 2:54 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

 

No maybe not but this would need a lot of sounds and I question how easy it 
might be to come up with enough of them to be easy to recognise.
 Brian

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gene" <
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To: <
nvda@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


The user would select the sound for the specific punctuation.  There 
wouldn't be preassigned sounds.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 5:27 AM
To: 
nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


I'm sure you were aware that there was a now dead comedian who made a lot of
money with his monologues where he substituted sounds for Punctuation!
Victor Borge'

Now my one problem with having a mode like this is, given the number of
different marks and their meaning in different circumstances in different
languages, it could need one heck of a  lot of individual sounds to cover
them all. I do know what you are getting at different sorts of brackets and
colons etc, are main candidates, with underscores being also useful.

Maybe this is add on territory ie a programmers version as most of us prefer
not to hear these greater thans etc all over the place, but obviously such
things are important in programming as are brackets and indents etc.
 Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Malykh" <
anton.malykh@...>
To: <
nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 10:16 PM
Subject: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


> Hello all,
>
> Is there a way to substitute punctuation marks with custom sounds? I am a
> developer and often times I have to listen to tongue twisters of
> punctuation marks, like "left bracket right brace left paren .." I wish
> to replace all these parens and brackets with sounds. Is there a way to do
> so in NVDA?
>
> Thanks
> Tony
>
>
>
>





 

 



 

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Re: Unable to Start Outlook 2016 While Running NVDA

Ralph Boersema
 

I use Ctrl + Tab.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 7:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unable to Start Outlook 2016 While Running NVDA

 

Ralf,

 

How are you changing folders in Outlook 2016? There is a known bug where if you use ctrl+y and the resulting tree view to switch folders, outlook crashes. You need to use the folder pane accessed by ctrl+shift+tab.

 

Pranav


Re: Unable to Start Outlook 2016 While Running NVDA

Pranav Lal
 

Ralf,

 

How are you changing folders in Outlook 2016? There is a known bug where if you use ctrl+y and the resulting tree view to switch folders, outlook crashes. You need to use the folder pane accessed by ctrl+shift+tab.

 

Pranav


Re: programming question

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Kerryn,

NVDA was mostly written in Python with a bit of C++ thrown in for good measure.  If you are interested in the technical side of it, then you might be interested in our developer guide: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/developerGuide.html and NVDA-devel e-mail list: https://sourceforge.net/p/nvda/lists/nvda-devel/

In terms of coding websites, I'll leave that to others to answer, as I haven't done a lot of that lately - certainly if you do it old-school with a text editor you shouldn't have any problems, but hopefully others can answer a bit more about the fancier WYSIWYG editors.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 11:11 AM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io <k_gunness@...> wrote:
hi guys
1 does NVDA work with python or any popular programming language?
2 in developing websites, what software do you all use, note pad, note pad ++ or an external software like dream wever or fireworks?
is NVDA accessible with these?
thanks
 
kerryn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

Hi everyone,

Sorry, I was out all day yesterday, so coming back in late to all the questions.  It looks like most have been answered.

Re the OCR, if you are using Windows 10 and NVDA 2017.3 or later, you don't need an addon for OCR.  If you are using an either version of either NVDA or Windows, then you will need the addon.  Basically, the OCR works on images, whether jpg graphic files or PDF documents etc.  It won't do the scanning of hardcopy documents itself - to do that you will need scanning software.  Any hardware scanner should come with software, and possibly also an OCR program, though how accessible and how good any of them are varies.  So the Windows 10 OCR, or the addon are really useful, but likely not a complete replacement for an OCR package like Omnipage or Abbyy Finereader, particularly for converting hardcopy documents into electronic text.

The other question was around using NVDA to control the mouse.  NVDA can click or lock either mouse button, make the focus jump to where the mouse pointer is, or jump the mouse pointer to the item with focus, see the User Guide for the keys for each: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#toc39

Windows has a "mousekeys" function which lets you move the mouse with the keyboard, and there is also an add-on for NVDA called "Golden Cursor" which has even more functionality: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/goldenCursor.en.html

The other thing to consider is why you want to move the mouse.  Depending on where you are and what you are trying to do, NVDA has a feature called "object navigation" which is very powerful although does take a little bit to get your head around.  Essentially object navigation lets you move through the objects in the current program (and out of the current program).  Microsoft Word for instance has objects for the ribbon, the scroll bars, ruler and main document.  When you go into an object (say the ribbon), you can move through the ribbon sections, then go down into a particular section to navigate through the ribbon items in that section.  Some people like it for navigating the ribbon, but another thing you can do with it, is get to features which you can't ordinarily get to with the keyboard and interact with it - it can be used to read, and copy read only text on a dialog box for instance.

Bonus tip: You can copy the text from a dialog box which has focus, by simply pressing CONTROL+C.  For instance, open Notepad, type something, press ALT+F4.  A dialog will appear asking "Do you want to save changes to untitled" with buttons for "save", "don't save" and "cancel".  To copy all that, simply press CONTROL+C.  It copies the following to the clipboard:

[Window Title]
Notepad

[Main Instruction]
Do you want to save changes to Untitled?

[Save] [Don't Save] [Cancel]

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 5:42 AM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@....nz> wrote:
Hi

If you look in the menus of nvda by pressing the nvda key + letter N then go down to preferences then right to general settings then down to windows 10 ocr there will be a menu there but is more to set your language. You must also have windows 10 as well at present i am using nvda 2017.4.

When you want to ocr say a photo with text etc in it make sure it is in focus then use the nvda key + letter R.

it will start recognizing it and rip the text out of it of which then you can arrow up and down to see what is there. It brings up a little windows where you can do that and even do it letter by letter and character by character. It can also be copied and pasted.

If you do not have a windows 10 machine that option will not be there.

Instead then you have to use the other ocr add on and it is slightly different to read the text. I can give directions to use that one and point you in the right direction if this is the case.

Gene nz

 
On 2/7/2018 9:02 PM, Alma wrote:

Hi Tina,

 

I’d like to know, too.      

 

Alma

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: tina sohl
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 8:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

 

I keep hearing that there is an OCR option for nvda is it true OCR? And that you can scan a piece of mail or a book with it? If that's true, how does it work and where do you get it I looked and can't find it and only see stuff about recognizing images on the screen like on Facebook or something but then I keep hearing that there is actual OCR so can someone tell me how to find it and if that's true or not thanks

sent from my android

 

On Feb 6, 2018 6:39 PM, "Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io" <k_gunness=yahoo.ca@groups.io> wrote:

thanks

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 3:27 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

 

  1. NVDA-S
  2. 2) there will be an addin coming out soon doing exactley what you ask for

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io
Sent: Dienstag, 6. Februar 2018 19:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

 

1 how to turn off and on speach mode in NVDA

2 how to have numlock key be off when computer starts using NVDA and start it when u want

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 10:00 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

 

Hi Kerryn,

 

I copied this from last October's In-Process re using OCR.  Basically:

 

To do OCR with NVDA 2017.4 on Windows 10:

1. Open the PDF file in Adobe Reader.

2. Press NVDA+r. NVDA reports “Recognising”. After a pause, NVDA reports “Result document”.
3. Although visually, the screen hasn’t changed, NVDA has placed the text recognised in the image in a “virtual document”. You can navigate around this just like a document in WordPad. Press NVDA+down arrow (laptop: NVDA+a) to read the whole document from the current point.
4. Press control+home to move to the top of the virtual document.
5. Press down arrow to move through and read the text line by line.
6. When finished, press escape to exit the virtual document.

 

Or, using Windows 7 or 8 OR NVDA earlier than 2017.3:

1. Open the PDF file in Adobe Reader

2. Press NVDA+r. NVDA reports “Recognising”. After a pause, NVDA reports “Done”.
3. Although visually, the screen hasn’t changed, NVDA has placed the text recognised in the image in a “virtual document”. You can navigate around this using the review cursor. Press numpad plus (laptop: NVDA+shift+a) to read the whole document from the current point
4. Press shift+numpad 7 (laptop: NVDA+control+home) to move to the top of the virtual document.
5. Press numpad 9 (laptop: NVDA+down arrow) to move through and read the text line by line.

 

 

With regard to "utilising the mouse arrow", could you please clarify exactly what you are trying to do?  Yes it is possible to do several things either with the mouse, or to the mouse and with further information, I can give you steps for that also.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin

 

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:17 AM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io <k_gunness@...> wrote:

1 how to use NVDA to do OCR? say for pdf documents

2 with jaws the mouse arrow is utilised, could the mouse arrow be used with NVDA?

hey devin could u contact me privately?

email is

thanks

----- Original Message -----

From: Devin Prater

Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 6:18 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

 

I like the idea too, along with voice changes or sounds to denote different attributes, such as style changes in word and email, or HTML elements on the web.

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor

Error! Filename not specified.
, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified by World Services for the Blind

 

On Feb 4, 2018, at 2:21 PM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

 

This actually reminds me of JFW in that an attachment was detected and for me I had a sliding tone play so I could know what was going on very quickly. I like the idea actually.

 

On Feb 4, 2018, at 3:12 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

 

You are assuming a sound would be wanted for every punctuation sign.  And at least in Engglish and many languages, there aren't that many.  Period, question mark, colon, semicolon quotation marks and you might want a sound for ellipsis.  You could have more sounds as well.  You could have sounds in the pronunciation dictionary so you can assign sounds for whatever you want.  The user could even put sound files in the program if he/she doesn't like what is provided.  Now let's see what kinds of sounds we might have  Bell, whistle, door close, door open, chime, and all sorts of variations such as high pitch bell, low pitch bell, car dor, a door such as in a house, and other people may come up with all sorts of other examples.  The world is full of distinctive sounds.  And JAWS has had such a feature for probably over a dedcade so this is not at all a novel idea.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 2:54 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

 

No maybe not but this would need a lot of sounds and I question how easy it 
might be to come up with enough of them to be easy to recognise.
 Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gene" <
gsasner@...>
To: <
nvda@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


The user would select the sound for the specific punctuation.  There 
wouldn't be preassigned sounds.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 5:27 AM
To: 
nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


I'm sure you were aware that there was a now dead comedian who made a lot of
money with his monologues where he substituted sounds for Punctuation!
Victor Borge'

Now my one problem with having a mode like this is, given the number of
different marks and their meaning in different circumstances in different
languages, it could need one heck of a  lot of individual sounds to cover
them all. I do know what you are getting at different sorts of brackets and
colons etc, are main candidates, with underscores being also useful.

Maybe this is add on territory ie a programmers version as most of us prefer
not to hear these greater thans etc all over the place, but obviously such
things are important in programming as are brackets and indents etc.
 Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Malykh" <
anton.malykh@...>
To: <
nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 10:16 PM
Subject: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


> Hello all,
>
> Is there a way to substitute punctuation marks with custom sounds? I am a
> developer and often times I have to listen to tongue twisters of
> punctuation marks, like "left bracket right brace left paren .." I wish
> to replace all these parens and brackets with sounds. Is there a way to do
> so in NVDA?
>
> Thanks
> Tony
>
>
>
>





 

 



 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 

 


--
Image NVDA
        certified expert
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.




--
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Training and Support Manager

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Re: programming question

Rayn Darren
 

Hi Kerryn,

 

NVDA works great with the following languages: HTML, CSS, PHP, JavaScript, Python, SQL. I know there are more that it probably works well with but those are the ones I can personally speak to. As to editors, Notepad++ is what I personally use and it’s wonderful as long as you remember to set up a profile to have all punctuation read. Hope this helps.

Rayn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 4:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] programming question

 

hi guys

1 does NVDA work with python or any popular programming language?

2 in developing websites, what software do you all use, note pad, note pad ++ or an external software like dream wever or fireworks?

is NVDA accessible with these?

thanks

 

kerryn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 8:21 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

 

Hi everyone,

 

Sorry, I was out all day yesterday, so coming back in late to all the questions.  It looks like most have been answered.

 

Re the OCR, if you are using Windows 10 and NVDA 2017.3 or later, you don't need an addon for OCR.  If you are using an either version of either NVDA or Windows, then you will need the addon.  Basically, the OCR works on images, whether jpg graphic files or PDF documents etc.  It won't do the scanning of hardcopy documents itself - to do that you will need scanning software.  Any hardware scanner should come with software, and possibly also an OCR program, though how accessible and how good any of them are varies.  So the Windows 10 OCR, or the addon are really useful, but likely not a complete replacement for an OCR package like Omnipage or Abbyy Finereader, particularly for converting hardcopy documents into electronic text.

 

The other question was around using NVDA to control the mouse.  NVDA can click or lock either mouse button, make the focus jump to where the mouse pointer is, or jump the mouse pointer to the item with focus, see the User Guide for the keys for each: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#toc39

 

Windows has a "mousekeys" function which lets you move the mouse with the keyboard, and there is also an add-on for NVDA called "Golden Cursor" which has even more functionality: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/goldenCursor.en.html

 

The other thing to consider is why you want to move the mouse.  Depending on where you are and what you are trying to do, NVDA has a feature called "object navigation" which is very powerful although does take a little bit to get your head around.  Essentially object navigation lets you move through the objects in the current program (and out of the current program).  Microsoft Word for instance has objects for the ribbon, the scroll bars, ruler and main document.  When you go into an object (say the ribbon), you can move through the ribbon sections, then go down into a particular section to navigate through the ribbon items in that section.  Some people like it for navigating the ribbon, but another thing you can do with it, is get to features which you can't ordinarily get to with the keyboard and interact with it - it can be used to read, and copy read only text on a dialog box for instance.

 

Bonus tip: You can copy the text from a dialog box which has focus, by simply pressing CONTROL+C.  For instance, open Notepad, type something, press ALT+F4.  A dialog will appear asking "Do you want to save changes to untitled" with buttons for "save", "don't save" and "cancel".  To copy all that, simply press CONTROL+C.  It copies the following to the clipboard:

 

[Window Title]

Notepad

 

[Main Instruction]

Do you want to save changes to Untitled?

 

[Save] [Don't Save] [Cancel]

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 5:42 AM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi

If you look in the menus of nvda by pressing the nvda key + letter N then go down to preferences then right to general settings then down to windows 10 ocr there will be a menu there but is more to set your language. You must also have windows 10 as well at present i am using nvda 2017.4.

When you want to ocr say a photo with text etc in it make sure it is in focus then use the nvda key + letter R.

it will start recognizing it and rip the text out of it of which then you can arrow up and down to see what is there. It brings up a little windows where you can do that and even do it letter by letter and character by character. It can also be copied and pasted.

If you do not have a windows 10 machine that option will not be there.

Instead then you have to use the other ocr add on and it is slightly different to read the text. I can give directions to use that one and point you in the right direction if this is the case.

Gene nz


 

On 2/7/2018 9:02 PM, Alma wrote:

Hi Tina,

 

I’d like to know, too.      

 

Alma

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: tina sohl
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 8:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

 

I keep hearing that there is an OCR option for nvda is it true OCR? And that you can scan a piece of mail or a book with it? If that's true, how does it work and where do you get it I looked and can't find it and only see stuff about recognizing images on the screen like on Facebook or something but then I keep hearing that there is actual OCR so can someone tell me how to find it and if that's true or not thanks

sent from my android

 

On Feb 6, 2018 6:39 PM, "Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io" <k_gunness=yahoo.ca@groups.io> wrote:

thanks

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 3:27 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

 

  1. NVDA-S
  2. 2) there will be an addin coming out soon doing exactley what you ask for

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io
Sent: Dienstag, 6. Februar 2018 19:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

 

1 how to turn off and on speach mode in NVDA

2 how to have numlock key be off when computer starts using NVDA and start it when u want

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 10:00 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

 

Hi Kerryn,

 

I copied this from last October's In-Process re using OCR.  Basically:

 

To do OCR with NVDA 2017.4 on Windows 10:

1. Open the PDF file in Adobe Reader.

2. Press NVDA+r. NVDA reports “Recognising”. After a pause, NVDA reports “Result document”.
3. Although visually, the screen hasn’t changed, NVDA has placed the text recognised in the image in a “virtual document”. You can navigate around this just like a document in WordPad. Press NVDA+down arrow (laptop: NVDA+a) to read the whole document from the current point.
4. Press control+home to move to the top of the virtual document.
5. Press down arrow to move through and read the text line by line.
6. When finished, press escape to exit the virtual document.

 

Or, using Windows 7 or 8 OR NVDA earlier than 2017.3:

1. Open the PDF file in Adobe Reader

2. Press NVDA+r. NVDA reports “Recognising”. After a pause, NVDA reports “Done”.
3. Although visually, the screen hasn’t changed, NVDA has placed the text recognised in the image in a “virtual document”. You can navigate around this using the review cursor. Press numpad plus (laptop: NVDA+shift+a) to read the whole document from the current point
4. Press shift+numpad 7 (laptop: NVDA+control+home) to move to the top of the virtual document.
5. Press numpad 9 (laptop: NVDA+down arrow) to move through and read the text line by line.

 

 

With regard to "utilising the mouse arrow", could you please clarify exactly what you are trying to do?  Yes it is possible to do several things either with the mouse, or to the mouse and with further information, I can give you steps for that also.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin

 

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:17 AM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io <k_gunness@...> wrote:

1 how to use NVDA to do OCR? say for pdf documents

2 with jaws the mouse arrow is utilised, could the mouse arrow be used with NVDA?

hey devin could u contact me privately?

email is

thanks

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 6:18 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

 

I like the idea too, along with voice changes or sounds to denote different attributes, such as style changes in word and email, or HTML elements on the web.

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor

Error! Filename not specified.
, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified by World Services for the Blind

 

On Feb 4, 2018, at 2:21 PM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

 

This actually reminds me of JFW in that an attachment was detected and for me I had a sliding tone play so I could know what was going on very quickly. I like the idea actually.

 

On Feb 4, 2018, at 3:12 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

 

You are assuming a sound would be wanted for every punctuation sign.  And at least in Engglish and many languages, there aren't that many.  Period, question mark, colon, semicolon quotation marks and you might want a sound for ellipsis.  You could have more sounds as well.  You could have sounds in the pronunciation dictionary so you can assign sounds for whatever you want.  The user could even put sound files in the program if he/she doesn't like what is provided.  Now let's see what kinds of sounds we might have  Bell, whistle, door close, door open, chime, and all sorts of variations such as high pitch bell, low pitch bell, car dor, a door such as in a house, and other people may come up with all sorts of other examples.  The world is full of distinctive sounds.  And JAWS has had such a feature for probably over a dedcade so this is not at all a novel idea.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 2:54 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

 

No maybe not but this would need a lot of sounds and I question how easy it 
might be to come up with enough of them to be easy to recognise.
 Brian

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gene" <
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Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


The user would select the sound for the specific punctuation.  There 
wouldn't be preassigned sounds.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

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Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 5:27 AM
To: 
nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


I'm sure you were aware that there was a now dead comedian who made a lot of
money with his monologues where he substituted sounds for Punctuation!
Victor Borge'

Now my one problem with having a mode like this is, given the number of
different marks and their meaning in different circumstances in different
languages, it could need one heck of a  lot of individual sounds to cover
them all. I do know what you are getting at different sorts of brackets and
colons etc, are main candidates, with underscores being also useful.

Maybe this is add on territory ie a programmers version as most of us prefer
not to hear these greater thans etc all over the place, but obviously such
things are important in programming as are brackets and indents etc.
 Brian

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Malykh" <
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To: <
nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 10:16 PM
Subject: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


> Hello all,
>
> Is there a way to substitute punctuation marks with custom sounds? I am a
> developer and often times I have to listen to tongue twisters of
> punctuation marks, like "left bracket right brace left paren .." I wish
> to replace all these parens and brackets with sounds. Is there a way to do
> so in NVDA?
>
> Thanks
> Tony
>
>
>
>




 

 



 

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Re: suggestion for feedback

Quentin Christensen
 

I think it works well overall.  I think sometimes it can be overwhelming, particularly if you go to the "main" page which initially links to code and can be confusing for a non-technical user who just wants to share a problem they are having.

I generally link to the issues page: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues and if I'm encouraging someone to report an issue, I'll often give them the direct link to create a new issue: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/new  That "form" only has two things you need to fill in - a subject, and a description, and basically if you put in as much information as you can that you think might be relevant, we can skip over anything we don't need, and we'll ask for clarification if we do need more.

It is worth explaining now and then (as I hope I did) why people need to register.

If someone does have trouble filing an issue themselves, then I am willing to do it.  I do try to encourage people to do it themselves though because then they will get the responses and any questions directly.

On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 10:49 AM, Jason White via Groups.Io <jason@...> wrote:

I think GitHub issue tracking is the right tool for the purpose.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 6:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] suggestion for feedback

 

Hi Rusty,

 

Having a link directly to the issue tracker (even to create a new issue) isn't a bad idea (unfortunately it will require someone to create an issue on Github to get the ball rolling *grin*).  As we use GitHub, it would still open a browser and you would need to be logged into (or create) a Github account.  Even if we moved away from Github to another issue tracker, I don't see a way around that, as the issue tracker does several things:

1. It keeps track of issues that people raise and allows them to be prioritised and followed through to completion.

2. By registering, it allows the developers to ask follow-up questions, provide links to test builds so the original person (and anyone else interested) can see if we have indeed resolved the issue.

3. It allows issues to be searchable and keeps them all in one place.

 

If we just had say a "provide feedback" option in NVDA which simply sent us an e-mail with your problem / idea / etc, then it would be hard to keep track of who had asked for what, how many people were having a particular problem, and we would get a lot of duplicate e-mails.

 

The other thing with Github is that while NV Access has several in-house developers, there are many others around the world who also contribute code, testing, feedback and other assistance and we need a central repository to make that all possible.  If you e-mailed me and asked for a particular feature, we can look at it, but it might be something that isn't a high enough priority to get to immediately.  It might however, be something one of our other contributors has an interest in and would like to write some code to support and they may be able to get to it faster, but I don't necessarily know who might be interested.

 

So, in short... would you like to create a github issue with your idea? https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/new

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@...> wrote:

Hey folks,
I think it would be a GREAT idea for NVDA to have a feedback option
right in the NVDA menu.
"report a problem" or something like that.
Honestly, it's easier for me to just use another browser than to slog
through a registration and goofing around in github to report a
problem.

I know, NVDA is donation ware, but it might make the product even
better to make giving feedback a more painless process. :)

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On 2/8/18, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@...> wrote:
> Well, my fix was Chrome browser. :)
> Works just fine so far. So, this is not an NVDA and windows thing as
> far as I can tell.
>
> Rusty
> <div id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br />
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> alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;"
> /></a></td>
>               <td style="width: 470px; padding-top: 12px; color: #41424e;
> font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
> line-height: 18px;">Virus-free. <a
> href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
> target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avg.com</a>
>               </td>
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> </table><a href="#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2" width="1"
> height="1"></a></div>
>
> On 2/8/18, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io
> <the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:
>> no help but I have reported this more than once.   but don't have a fix.
>> using windows 10 64 bit and ff ESR what ever the latest incarnation of
>> this is hope this helps. and fire fox is 32 bit.
>>
>> On 08/02/2018 19:23, Rusty Perez wrote:
>>> Hey folks,
>>>
>>> For the past few weeks this has been getting progressively worse.
>>> I bring up FF and hafter just a few minutes of reading a page, or
>>> scrolling down in emails, NVDA goes silent. I wait for a few moments
>>> and speech comes back.
>>>
>>> any thoughts, or fixes.<div
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>>> alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;"
>>> /></a></td>
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>>>
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>>
>>
>>
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>
>
>
>




 

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Re: code factory voices

Gene
 

If they haven't updated it in over two years, I wouldn't count on updates in future.  I think its unconscionable to release a product with an obvious defect, I heard it almost right awayWhen I tried the demo, and not correct it in a reasonable time. 
 
There is a SAPI 5 version of Eloquence that works properly.  I don't recall who makes it but other list members can tell you more about it.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2018 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] code factory voices

I think this is some kind of artefacting with the Eloquence voice. Others have reported the same thing. Nothing to be done at the moment, I suppose, other than try a different synth.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Juan Hernandez
Sent: February 8, 2018 6:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] code factory voices

 

Hi All,

 

Has code factory updated their voices since 2015? I have version 1.1.0.

 

The issue I have is that when using eloquence, I hear a crackle in the voice every so often and its really annoying.  The eloquence voice in Jaws, is super clear.

 

Any ideas? Thanks for any help in advance.

 

Best,

 

 

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programming question

Kerryn Gunness <k_gunness@...>
 


hi guys
1 does NVDA work with python or any popular programming language?
2 in developing websites, what software do you all use, note pad, note pad ++ or an external software like dream wever or fireworks?
is NVDA accessible with these?
thanks
 
kerryn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

Hi everyone,

Sorry, I was out all day yesterday, so coming back in late to all the questions.  It looks like most have been answered.

Re the OCR, if you are using Windows 10 and NVDA 2017.3 or later, you don't need an addon for OCR.  If you are using an either version of either NVDA or Windows, then you will need the addon.  Basically, the OCR works on images, whether jpg graphic files or PDF documents etc.  It won't do the scanning of hardcopy documents itself - to do that you will need scanning software.  Any hardware scanner should come with software, and possibly also an OCR program, though how accessible and how good any of them are varies.  So the Windows 10 OCR, or the addon are really useful, but likely not a complete replacement for an OCR package like Omnipage or Abbyy Finereader, particularly for converting hardcopy documents into electronic text.

The other question was around using NVDA to control the mouse.  NVDA can click or lock either mouse button, make the focus jump to where the mouse pointer is, or jump the mouse pointer to the item with focus, see the User Guide for the keys for each: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#toc39

Windows has a "mousekeys" function which lets you move the mouse with the keyboard, and there is also an add-on for NVDA called "Golden Cursor" which has even more functionality: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/goldenCursor.en.html

The other thing to consider is why you want to move the mouse.  Depending on where you are and what you are trying to do, NVDA has a feature called "object navigation" which is very powerful although does take a little bit to get your head around.  Essentially object navigation lets you move through the objects in the current program (and out of the current program).  Microsoft Word for instance has objects for the ribbon, the scroll bars, ruler and main document.  When you go into an object (say the ribbon), you can move through the ribbon sections, then go down into a particular section to navigate through the ribbon items in that section.  Some people like it for navigating the ribbon, but another thing you can do with it, is get to features which you can't ordinarily get to with the keyboard and interact with it - it can be used to read, and copy read only text on a dialog box for instance.

Bonus tip: You can copy the text from a dialog box which has focus, by simply pressing CONTROL+C.  For instance, open Notepad, type something, press ALT+F4.  A dialog will appear asking "Do you want to save changes to untitled" with buttons for "save", "don't save" and "cancel".  To copy all that, simply press CONTROL+C.  It copies the following to the clipboard:

[Window Title]
Notepad

[Main Instruction]
Do you want to save changes to Untitled?

[Save] [Don't Save] [Cancel]

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 5:42 AM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi

If you look in the menus of nvda by pressing the nvda key + letter N then go down to preferences then right to general settings then down to windows 10 ocr there will be a menu there but is more to set your language. You must also have windows 10 as well at present i am using nvda 2017.4.

When you want to ocr say a photo with text etc in it make sure it is in focus then use the nvda key + letter R.

it will start recognizing it and rip the text out of it of which then you can arrow up and down to see what is there. It brings up a little windows where you can do that and even do it letter by letter and character by character. It can also be copied and pasted.

If you do not have a windows 10 machine that option will not be there.

Instead then you have to use the other ocr add on and it is slightly different to read the text. I can give directions to use that one and point you in the right direction if this is the case.

Gene nz

 
On 2/7/2018 9:02 PM, Alma wrote:

Hi Tina,

 

I’d like to know, too.      

 

Alma

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: tina sohl
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 8:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

 

I keep hearing that there is an OCR option for nvda is it true OCR? And that you can scan a piece of mail or a book with it? If that's true, how does it work and where do you get it I looked and can't find it and only see stuff about recognizing images on the screen like on Facebook or something but then I keep hearing that there is actual OCR so can someone tell me how to find it and if that's true or not thanks

sent from my android

 

On Feb 6, 2018 6:39 PM, "Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io" <k_gunness=yahoo.ca@groups.io> wrote:

thanks

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 3:27 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

 

  1. NVDA-S
  2. 2) there will be an addin coming out soon doing exactley what you ask for

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io
Sent: Dienstag, 6. Februar 2018 19:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

 

1 how to turn off and on speach mode in NVDA

2 how to have numlock key be off when computer starts using NVDA and start it when u want

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 10:00 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

 

Hi Kerryn,

 

I copied this from last October's In-Process re using OCR.  Basically:

 

To do OCR with NVDA 2017.4 on Windows 10:

1. Open the PDF file in Adobe Reader.

2. Press NVDA+r. NVDA reports “Recognising”. After a pause, NVDA reports “Result document”.
3. Although visually, the screen hasn’t changed, NVDA has placed the text recognised in the image in a “virtual document”. You can navigate around this just like a document in WordPad. Press NVDA+down arrow (laptop: NVDA+a) to read the whole document from the current point.
4. Press control+home to move to the top of the virtual document.
5. Press down arrow to move through and read the text line by line.
6. When finished, press escape to exit the virtual document.

 

Or, using Windows 7 or 8 OR NVDA earlier than 2017.3:

1. Open the PDF file in Adobe Reader

2. Press NVDA+r. NVDA reports “Recognising”. After a pause, NVDA reports “Done”.
3. Although visually, the screen hasn’t changed, NVDA has placed the text recognised in the image in a “virtual document”. You can navigate around this using the review cursor. Press numpad plus (laptop: NVDA+shift+a) to read the whole document from the current point
4. Press shift+numpad 7 (laptop: NVDA+control+home) to move to the top of the virtual document.
5. Press numpad 9 (laptop: NVDA+down arrow) to move through and read the text line by line.

 

 

With regard to "utilising the mouse arrow", could you please clarify exactly what you are trying to do?  Yes it is possible to do several things either with the mouse, or to the mouse and with further information, I can give you steps for that also.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin

 

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:17 AM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io <k_gunness@...> wrote:

1 how to use NVDA to do OCR? say for pdf documents

2 with jaws the mouse arrow is utilised, could the mouse arrow be used with NVDA?

hey devin could u contact me privately?

email is

thanks

----- Original Message -----

From: Devin Prater

Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 6:18 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

 

I like the idea too, along with voice changes or sounds to denote different attributes, such as style changes in word and email, or HTML elements on the web.

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor

Error! Filename not specified.
, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified by World Services for the Blind

 

On Feb 4, 2018, at 2:21 PM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

 

This actually reminds me of JFW in that an attachment was detected and for me I had a sliding tone play so I could know what was going on very quickly. I like the idea actually.

 

On Feb 4, 2018, at 3:12 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

 

You are assuming a sound would be wanted for every punctuation sign.  And at least in Engglish and many languages, there aren't that many.  Period, question mark, colon, semicolon quotation marks and you might want a sound for ellipsis.  You could have more sounds as well.  You could have sounds in the pronunciation dictionary so you can assign sounds for whatever you want.  The user could even put sound files in the program if he/she doesn't like what is provided.  Now let's see what kinds of sounds we might have  Bell, whistle, door close, door open, chime, and all sorts of variations such as high pitch bell, low pitch bell, car dor, a door such as in a house, and other people may come up with all sorts of other examples.  The world is full of distinctive sounds.  And JAWS has had such a feature for probably over a dedcade so this is not at all a novel idea.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 2:54 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

 

No maybe not but this would need a lot of sounds and I question how easy it 
might be to come up with enough of them to be easy to recognise.
 Brian

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gene" <
gsasner@...>
To: <
nvda@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


The user would select the sound for the specific punctuation.  There 
wouldn't be preassigned sounds.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 5:27 AM
To: 
nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


I'm sure you were aware that there was a now dead comedian who made a lot of
money with his monologues where he substituted sounds for Punctuation!
Victor Borge'

Now my one problem with having a mode like this is, given the number of
different marks and their meaning in different circumstances in different
languages, it could need one heck of a  lot of individual sounds to cover
them all. I do know what you are getting at different sorts of brackets and
colons etc, are main candidates, with underscores being also useful.

Maybe this is add on territory ie a programmers version as most of us prefer
not to hear these greater thans etc all over the place, but obviously such
things are important in programming as are brackets and indents etc.
 Brian

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Please address personal email to:-
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Malykh" <
anton.malykh@...>
To: <
nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 10:16 PM
Subject: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


> Hello all,
>
> Is there a way to substitute punctuation marks with custom sounds? I am a
> developer and often times I have to listen to tongue twisters of
> punctuation marks, like "left bracket right brace left paren .." I wish
> to replace all these parens and brackets with sounds. Is there a way to do
> so in NVDA?
>
> Thanks
> Tony
>
>
>
>





 

 



 

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Re: code factory voices

Andy
 


Yeah! I find it to be very laggy with the crackling from time to time. I think the crackling occurs more frequently when on the web and web pages are refreshing.
 
Andy
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2018 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] code factory voices

I don't know, but I can say that I've not used it in some time because it was not intermittent for me, it was very persistent and annoying.

On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 6:05 PM, Juan Hernandez <juanhernandez98@...> wrote:

Hi All,

 

Has code factory updated their voices since 2015? I have version 1.1.0.

 

The issue I have is that when using eloquence, I hear a crackle in the voice every so often and its really annoying.  The eloquence voice in Jaws, is super clear.

 

Any ideas? Thanks for any help in advance.

 

Best,

 

 

Juan Hernandez

Juanhernandez98@...

619-750-9431 (M)         |  858-777-3311 (F)

My WebSite | Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn

 



Re: suggestion for feedback

Jason White
 

I think GitHub issue tracking is the right tool for the purpose.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 6:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] suggestion for feedback

 

Hi Rusty,

 

Having a link directly to the issue tracker (even to create a new issue) isn't a bad idea (unfortunately it will require someone to create an issue on Github to get the ball rolling *grin*).  As we use GitHub, it would still open a browser and you would need to be logged into (or create) a Github account.  Even if we moved away from Github to another issue tracker, I don't see a way around that, as the issue tracker does several things:

1. It keeps track of issues that people raise and allows them to be prioritised and followed through to completion.

2. By registering, it allows the developers to ask follow-up questions, provide links to test builds so the original person (and anyone else interested) can see if we have indeed resolved the issue.

3. It allows issues to be searchable and keeps them all in one place.

 

If we just had say a "provide feedback" option in NVDA which simply sent us an e-mail with your problem / idea / etc, then it would be hard to keep track of who had asked for what, how many people were having a particular problem, and we would get a lot of duplicate e-mails.

 

The other thing with Github is that while NV Access has several in-house developers, there are many others around the world who also contribute code, testing, feedback and other assistance and we need a central repository to make that all possible.  If you e-mailed me and asked for a particular feature, we can look at it, but it might be something that isn't a high enough priority to get to immediately.  It might however, be something one of our other contributors has an interest in and would like to write some code to support and they may be able to get to it faster, but I don't necessarily know who might be interested.

 

So, in short... would you like to create a github issue with your idea? https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/new

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@...> wrote:

Hey folks,
I think it would be a GREAT idea for NVDA to have a feedback option
right in the NVDA menu.
"report a problem" or something like that.
Honestly, it's easier for me to just use another browser than to slog
through a registration and goofing around in github to report a
problem.

I know, NVDA is donation ware, but it might make the product even
better to make giving feedback a more painless process. :)

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<table style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;">
        <tr>
        <td style="width: 55px; padding-top: 13px;"><a
href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
target="_blank"><img
src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-green-avg-v1.png"
alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;"
/></a></td>
                <td style="width: 470px; padding-top: 12px; color: #41424e;
font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
line-height: 18px;">Virus-free. <a
href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avg.com</a>
                </td>
        </tr>
</table><a href="#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2" width="1"
height="1"></a></div>

On 2/8/18, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@...> wrote:
> Well, my fix was Chrome browser. :)
> Works just fine so far. So, this is not an NVDA and windows thing as
> far as I can tell.
>
> Rusty
> <div id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br />
> <table style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;">
>       <tr>
>         <td style="width: 55px; padding-top: 13px;"><a
> href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
> target="_blank"><img
> src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-green-avg-v1.png"
> alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;"
> /></a></td>
>               <td style="width: 470px; padding-top: 12px; color: #41424e;
> font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
> line-height: 18px;">Virus-free. <a
> href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
> target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avg.com</a>
>               </td>
>       </tr>
> </table><a href="#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2" width="1"
> height="1"></a></div>
>
> On 2/8/18, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io
> <the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:
>> no help but I have reported this more than once.   but don't have a fix.
>> using windows 10 64 bit and ff ESR what ever the latest incarnation of
>> this is hope this helps. and fire fox is 32 bit.
>>
>> On 08/02/2018 19:23, Rusty Perez wrote:
>>> Hey folks,
>>>
>>> For the past few weeks this has been getting progressively worse.
>>> I bring up FF and hafter just a few minutes of reading a page, or
>>> scrolling down in emails, NVDA goes silent. I wait for a few moments
>>> and speech comes back.
>>>
>>> any thoughts, or fixes.<div
>>> id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br
>>> />
>>> <table style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;">
>>>     <tr>
>>>          <td style="width: 55px; padding-top: 13px;"><a
>>> href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
>>> target="_blank"><img
>>> src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-green-avg-v1.png"
>>> alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;"
>>> /></a></td>
>>>             <td style="width: 470px; padding-top: 12px; color: #41424e;
>>> font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
>>> line-height: 18px;">Virus-free. <a
>>> href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
>>> target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avg.com</a>
>>>             </td>
>>>     </tr>
>>> </table><a href="#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2" width="1"
>>> height="1"></a></div>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>




 

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Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

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Re: suggestion for feedback

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Rusty,

Having a link directly to the issue tracker (even to create a new issue) isn't a bad idea (unfortunately it will require someone to create an issue on Github to get the ball rolling *grin*).  As we use GitHub, it would still open a browser and you would need to be logged into (or create) a Github account.  Even if we moved away from Github to another issue tracker, I don't see a way around that, as the issue tracker does several things:
1. It keeps track of issues that people raise and allows them to be prioritised and followed through to completion.
2. By registering, it allows the developers to ask follow-up questions, provide links to test builds so the original person (and anyone else interested) can see if we have indeed resolved the issue.
3. It allows issues to be searchable and keeps them all in one place.

If we just had say a "provide feedback" option in NVDA which simply sent us an e-mail with your problem / idea / etc, then it would be hard to keep track of who had asked for what, how many people were having a particular problem, and we would get a lot of duplicate e-mails.

The other thing with Github is that while NV Access has several in-house developers, there are many others around the world who also contribute code, testing, feedback and other assistance and we need a central repository to make that all possible.  If you e-mailed me and asked for a particular feature, we can look at it, but it might be something that isn't a high enough priority to get to immediately.  It might however, be something one of our other contributors has an interest in and would like to write some code to support and they may be able to get to it faster, but I don't necessarily know who might be interested.

So, in short... would you like to create a github issue with your idea? https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/new

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@...> wrote:
Hey folks,
I think it would be a GREAT idea for NVDA to have a feedback option
right in the NVDA menu.
"report a problem" or something like that.
Honestly, it's easier for me to just use another browser than to slog
through a registration and goofing around in github to report a
problem.

I know, NVDA is donation ware, but it might make the product even
better to make giving feedback a more painless process. :)

<div id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br />
<table style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;">
        <tr>
        <td style="width: 55px; padding-top: 13px;"><a
href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
target="_blank"><img
src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-green-avg-v1.png"
alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;"
/></a></td>
                <td style="width: 470px; padding-top: 12px; color: #41424e;
font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
line-height: 18px;">Virus-free. <a
href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avg.com</a>
                </td>
        </tr>
</table><a href="#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2" width="1"
height="1"></a></div>

On 2/8/18, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@...> wrote:
> Well, my fix was Chrome browser. :)
> Works just fine so far. So, this is not an NVDA and windows thing as
> far as I can tell.
>
> Rusty
> <div id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br />
> <table style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;">
>       <tr>
>         <td style="width: 55px; padding-top: 13px;"><a
> href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
> target="_blank"><img
> src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-green-avg-v1.png"
> alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;"
> /></a></td>
>               <td style="width: 470px; padding-top: 12px; color: #41424e;
> font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
> line-height: 18px;">Virus-free. <a
> href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
> target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avg.com</a>
>               </td>
>       </tr>
> </table><a href="#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2" width="1"
> height="1"></a></div>
>
> On 2/8/18, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io
> <the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:
>> no help but I have reported this more than once.   but don't have a fix.
>> using windows 10 64 bit and ff ESR what ever the latest incarnation of
>> this is hope this helps. and fire fox is 32 bit.
>>
>> On 08/02/2018 19:23, Rusty Perez wrote:
>>> Hey folks,
>>>
>>> For the past few weeks this has been getting progressively worse.
>>> I bring up FF and hafter just a few minutes of reading a page, or
>>> scrolling down in emails, NVDA goes silent. I wait for a few moments
>>> and speech comes back.
>>>
>>> any thoughts, or fixes.<div
>>> id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br
>>> />
>>> <table style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;">
>>>     <tr>
>>>          <td style="width: 55px; padding-top: 13px;"><a
>>> href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
>>> target="_blank"><img
>>> src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-green-avg-v1.png"
>>> alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;"
>>> /></a></td>
>>>             <td style="width: 470px; padding-top: 12px; color: #41424e;
>>> font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
>>> line-height: 18px;">Virus-free. <a
>>> href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
>>> target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avg.com</a>
>>>             </td>
>>>     </tr>
>>> </table><a href="#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2" width="1"
>>> height="1"></a></div>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>






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Re: code factory voices

Brandon Cross <bcross3286@...>
 

I don't know, but I can say that I've not used it in some time because it was not intermittent for me, it was very persistent and annoying.

On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 6:05 PM, Juan Hernandez <juanhernandez98@...> wrote:

Hi All,

 

Has code factory updated their voices since 2015? I have version 1.1.0.

 

The issue I have is that when using eloquence, I hear a crackle in the voice every so often and its really annoying.  The eloquence voice in Jaws, is super clear.

 

Any ideas? Thanks for any help in advance.

 

Best,

 

 

Juan Hernandez

Juanhernandez98@...

619-750-9431 (M)         |  858-777-3311 (F)

My WebSite | Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn

 



Re: code factory voices

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

I think this is some kind of artefacting with the Eloquence voice. Others have reported the same thing. Nothing to be done at the moment, I suppose, other than try a different synth.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Juan Hernandez
Sent: February 8, 2018 6:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] code factory voices

 

Hi All,

 

Has code factory updated their voices since 2015? I have version 1.1.0.

 

The issue I have is that when using eloquence, I hear a crackle in the voice every so often and its really annoying.  The eloquence voice in Jaws, is super clear.

 

Any ideas? Thanks for any help in advance.

 

Best,

 

 

Juan Hernandez

Juanhernandez98@...

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code factory voices

Juan Hernandez
 

Hi All,

 

Has code factory updated their voices since 2015? I have version 1.1.0.

 

The issue I have is that when using eloquence, I hear a crackle in the voice every so often and its really annoying.  The eloquence voice in Jaws, is super clear.

 

Any ideas? Thanks for any help in advance.

 

Best,

 

 

Juan Hernandez

Juanhernandez98@...

619-750-9431 (M)         |  858-777-3311 (F)

My WebSite | Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn

 


suggestion for feedback

Rusty Perez
 

Hey folks,
I think it would be a GREAT idea for NVDA to have a feedback option
right in the NVDA menu.
"report a problem" or something like that.
Honestly, it's easier for me to just use another browser than to slog
through a registration and goofing around in github to report a
problem.

I know, NVDA is donation ware, but it might make the product even
better to make giving feedback a more painless process. :)

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On 2/8/18, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, my fix was Chrome browser. :)
Works just fine so far. So, this is not an NVDA and windows thing as
far as I can tell.

Rusty
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alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;"
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font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
line-height: 18px;">Virus-free. <a
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On 2/8/18, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io
<the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:
no help but I have reported this more than once. but don't have a fix.
using windows 10 64 bit and ff ESR what ever the latest incarnation of
this is hope this helps. and fire fox is 32 bit.

On 08/02/2018 19:23, Rusty Perez wrote:
Hey folks,

For the past few weeks this has been getting progressively worse.
I bring up FF and hafter just a few minutes of reading a page, or
scrolling down in emails, NVDA goes silent. I wait for a few moments
and speech comes back.

any thoughts, or fixes.<div
id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br
/>
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target="_blank"><img
src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-green-avg-v1.png"
alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;"
/></a></td>
<td style="width: 470px; padding-top: 12px; color: #41424e;
font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
line-height: 18px;">Virus-free. <a
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target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avg.com</a>
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height="1"></a></div>







Re: NVDA GOES SILENT SOMETIMES IN FIREFOX ON WIN10

Rusty Perez
 

Well, my fix was Chrome browser. :)
Works just fine so far. So, this is not an NVDA and windows thing as
far as I can tell.

Rusty
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target="_blank"><img
src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-green-avg-v1.png"
alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;"
/></a></td>
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font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
line-height: 18px;">Virus-free. <a
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target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avg.com</a>
</td>
</tr>
</table><a href="#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2" width="1"
height="1"></a></div>

On 2/8/18, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io
<the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:
no help but I have reported this more than once. but don't have a fix.
using windows 10 64 bit and ff ESR what ever the latest incarnation of
this is hope this helps. and fire fox is 32 bit.

On 08/02/2018 19:23, Rusty Perez wrote:
Hey folks,

For the past few weeks this has been getting progressively worse.
I bring up FF and hafter just a few minutes of reading a page, or
scrolling down in emails, NVDA goes silent. I wait for a few moments
and speech comes back.

any thoughts, or fixes.<div id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br
/>
<table style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;">
<tr>
<td style="width: 55px; padding-top: 13px;"><a
href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
target="_blank"><img
src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-green-avg-v1.png"
alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;"
/></a></td>
<td style="width: 470px; padding-top: 12px; color: #41424e;
font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
line-height: 18px;">Virus-free. <a
href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avg.com</a>
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Unable to Start Outlook 2016 While Running NVDA

Ralph Boersema
 

Note: I changed the subject line when I sent the message below, but it continued with the original subject when I received it. So, I’ll try again.

 

 

I am running Windows 10 and have the latest update of NVDA. Lately my Outlook 2016 has restarted almost every time I change folders in my Outlook Mail. Then, yesterday I found that it would present a problem and not be able to restart. I could also not start up Outlook from the Windows Start menu. With the help of sighted persons, we found that we needed to exit Nvda, open Outlook  and a particular mail folder, and only then start up NVDA.

 

Any suggestions?

 

Warmly,

Ralph


Re: Verification of AddOn full installation. (Win 10 Essentials)

Chris
 

I guess you could uninstall the add-on and re-install it again

See if that solves the issue

 

Make sure the folder is removed after uninstalling

Just to make sure

 

Good luck

 

 

From: Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: 08 February 2018 20:59
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Verification of AddOn full installation. (Win 10 Essentials)

 

I did that, I even rebooted the machine but the directory still has the “pending installation” in the name. I think from moving about the Window 10 environment that the addon is probably working, but I am still a little concerned. If I stop NVDA and

 

From remove the directory and then try a re-install will I break anything, or should I just leave well enough alone?

 

Thanks,

Jonathan

: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of "Chris via Groups.Io" <chrismedley@...>
Reply-To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 3:56 PM
To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Verification of AddOn full installation. (Win 10 Essentials)

 

Restarted nvda?

 

 

From: Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: 08 February 2018 20:04
To:
nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Verification of AddOn full installation. (Win 10 Essentials)

 

Hello,

 

I just installed the Windows 10 Essentials package and was  that the directory name in %appdata% has “pending install” at the end of its name. Is something not complete and how do I get it to complete?

 

Thanks,

 

Jonathan Cohn

 

 

 


Re: NVDA GOES SILENT SOMETIMES IN FIREFOX ON WIN10

Kevin Cussick
 

no help but I have reported this more than once. but don't have a fix. using windows 10 64 bit and ff ESR what ever the latest incarnation of this is hope this helps. and fire fox is 32 bit.

On 08/02/2018 19:23, Rusty Perez wrote:
Hey folks,
For the past few weeks this has been getting progressively worse.
I bring up FF and hafter just a few minutes of reading a page, or
scrolling down in emails, NVDA goes silent. I wait for a few moments
and speech comes back.
any thoughts, or fixes.<div id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br />
<table style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;">
<tr>
<td style="width: 55px; padding-top: 13px;"><a
href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
target="_blank"><img
src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-green-avg-v1.png"
alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;"
/></a></td>
<td style="width: 470px; padding-top: 12px; color: #41424e;
font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
line-height: 18px;">Virus-free. <a
href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avg.com</a>
</td>
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height="1"></a></div>


Re: Potentially important observation with Windows 10 Preview

Ralph Boersema
 

I am running Windows 10 and have the latest update of NVDA. Lately my Outlook 2016 has restarted almost every time I change folders in my Outlook Mail. Then, yesterday I found that it would present a problem and not be able to restart. I could also not start up Outlook from the Windows Start menu. With the help of sighted persons, we found that we needed to exit Nvda, open Outlook  and a particular mail folder, and only then start up NVDA.

 

Any suggestions?

 

Warmly,

Ralph