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Re: Free & Good OCR Software for Image Scanned PDFs

 

Did those asking for help ever work it out themselves?   I've been away for several weeks and am just seeing this today.

 


announcing rows and colums on web pages

Don H
 

Running NVDA 2017-4 on a Win 10 64 bit machine and using Google Chrome as my web browser. What setting can I change to stop the announcement of rows and columns on web pages.
Thanks


Re: NVDA question

Kerryn Gunness <k_gunness@...>
 


devin could u contact me privately?
important
email is
skype is
kerryn.gunness
 
i want to enquire about the course u did from world services for the blind
thanks
 
kerryn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 10:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

Hi Kerryn,

I copied this from last October's In-Process re using OCR.  Basically:

To do OCR with NVDA 2017.4 on Windows 10:
1. Open the PDF file in Adobe Reader.
2. Press NVDA+r. NVDA reports “Recognising”. After a pause, NVDA reports “Result document”.
3. Although visually, the screen hasn’t changed, NVDA has placed the text recognised in the image in a “virtual document”. You can navigate around this just like a document in WordPad. Press NVDA+down arrow (laptop: NVDA+a) to read the whole document from the current point.
4. Press control+home to move to the top of the virtual document.
5. Press down arrow to move through and read the text line by line.
6. When finished, press escape to exit the virtual document.

Or, using Windows 7 or 8 OR NVDA earlier than 2017.3:
1. Open the PDF file in Adobe Reader.
2. Press NVDA+r. NVDA reports “Recognising”. After a pause, NVDA reports “Done”.
3. Although visually, the screen hasn’t changed, NVDA has placed the text recognised in the image in a “virtual document”. You can navigate around this using the review cursor. Press numpad plus (laptop: NVDA+shift+a) to read the whole document from the current point.
4. Press shift+numpad 7 (laptop: NVDA+control+home) to move to the top of the virtual document.
5. Press numpad 9 (laptop: NVDA+down arrow) to move through and read the text line by line.


With regard to "utilising the mouse arrow", could you please clarify exactly what you are trying to do?  Yes it is possible to do several things either with the mouse, or to the mouse and with further information, I can give you steps for that also.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:17 AM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io <k_gunness@...> wrote:
1 how to use NVDA to do OCR? say for pdf documents
2 with jaws the mouse arrow is utilised, could the mouse arrow be used with NVDA?
hey devin could u contact me privately?
email is
thanks
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

I like the idea too, along with voice changes or sounds to denote different attributes, such as style changes in word and email, or HTML elements on the web.
Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor

, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified by World Services for the Blind

On Feb 4, 2018, at 2:21 PM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

This actually reminds me of JFW in that an attachment was detected and for me I had a sliding tone play so I could know what was going on very quickly. I like the idea actually.

On Feb 4, 2018, at 3:12 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

You are assuming a sound would be wanted for every punctuation sign.  And at least in Engglish and many languages, there aren't that many.  Period, question mark, colon, semicolon quotation marks and you might want a sound for ellipsis.  You could have more sounds as well.  You could have sounds in the pronunciation dictionary so you can assign sounds for whatever you want.  The user could even put sound files in the program if he/she doesn't like what is provided.  Now let's see what kinds of sounds we might have  Bell, whistle, door close, door open, chime, and all sorts of variations such as high pitch bell, low pitch bell, car dor, a door such as in a house, and other people may come up with all sorts of other examples.  The world is full of distinctive sounds.  And JAWS has had such a feature for probably over a dedcade so this is not at all a novel idea.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 2:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

No maybe not but this would need a lot of sounds and I question how easy it 
might be to come up with enough of them to be easy to recognise.
 Brian

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


The user would select the sound for the specific punctuation.  There 
wouldn't be preassigned sounds.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 5:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


I'm sure you were aware that there was a now dead comedian who made a lot of
money with his monologues where he substituted sounds for Punctuation!
Victor Borge'

Now my one problem with having a mode like this is, given the number of
different marks and their meaning in different circumstances in different
languages, it could need one heck of a  lot of individual sounds to cover
them all. I do know what you are getting at different sorts of brackets and
colons etc, are main candidates, with underscores being also useful.

Maybe this is add on territory ie a programmers version as most of us prefer
not to hear these greater thans etc all over the place, but obviously such
things are important in programming as are brackets and indents etc.
 Brian

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Malykh" <anton.malykh@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 10:16 PM
Subject: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


> Hello all,
>
> Is there a way to substitute punctuation marks with custom sounds? I am a
> developer and often times I have to listen to tongue twisters of
> punctuation marks, like "left bracket right brace left paren .." I wish
> to replace all these parens and brackets with sounds. Is there a way to do
> so in NVDA?
>
> Thanks
> Tony
>
>
>
>











--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: NVDA question

Kerryn Gunness <k_gunness@...>
 


hi quentin
do u need an addon for OCR on NVDA
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 10:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question

Hi Kerryn,

I copied this from last October's In-Process re using OCR.  Basically:

To do OCR with NVDA 2017.4 on Windows 10:
1. Open the PDF file in Adobe Reader.
2. Press NVDA+r. NVDA reports “Recognising”. After a pause, NVDA reports “Result document”.
3. Although visually, the screen hasn’t changed, NVDA has placed the text recognised in the image in a “virtual document”. You can navigate around this just like a document in WordPad. Press NVDA+down arrow (laptop: NVDA+a) to read the whole document from the current point.
4. Press control+home to move to the top of the virtual document.
5. Press down arrow to move through and read the text line by line.
6. When finished, press escape to exit the virtual document.

Or, using Windows 7 or 8 OR NVDA earlier than 2017.3:
1. Open the PDF file in Adobe Reader.
2. Press NVDA+r. NVDA reports “Recognising”. After a pause, NVDA reports “Done”.
3. Although visually, the screen hasn’t changed, NVDA has placed the text recognised in the image in a “virtual document”. You can navigate around this using the review cursor. Press numpad plus (laptop: NVDA+shift+a) to read the whole document from the current point.
4. Press shift+numpad 7 (laptop: NVDA+control+home) to move to the top of the virtual document.
5. Press numpad 9 (laptop: NVDA+down arrow) to move through and read the text line by line.


With regard to "utilising the mouse arrow", could you please clarify exactly what you are trying to do?  Yes it is possible to do several things either with the mouse, or to the mouse and with further information, I can give you steps for that also.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:17 AM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io <k_gunness@...> wrote:
1 how to use NVDA to do OCR? say for pdf documents
2 with jaws the mouse arrow is utilised, could the mouse arrow be used with NVDA?
hey devin could u contact me privately?
email is
thanks
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

I like the idea too, along with voice changes or sounds to denote different attributes, such as style changes in word and email, or HTML elements on the web.
Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor

, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified by World Services for the Blind

On Feb 4, 2018, at 2:21 PM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

This actually reminds me of JFW in that an attachment was detected and for me I had a sliding tone play so I could know what was going on very quickly. I like the idea actually.

On Feb 4, 2018, at 3:12 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

You are assuming a sound would be wanted for every punctuation sign.  And at least in Engglish and many languages, there aren't that many.  Period, question mark, colon, semicolon quotation marks and you might want a sound for ellipsis.  You could have more sounds as well.  You could have sounds in the pronunciation dictionary so you can assign sounds for whatever you want.  The user could even put sound files in the program if he/she doesn't like what is provided.  Now let's see what kinds of sounds we might have  Bell, whistle, door close, door open, chime, and all sorts of variations such as high pitch bell, low pitch bell, car dor, a door such as in a house, and other people may come up with all sorts of other examples.  The world is full of distinctive sounds.  And JAWS has had such a feature for probably over a dedcade so this is not at all a novel idea.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 2:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

No maybe not but this would need a lot of sounds and I question how easy it 
might be to come up with enough of them to be easy to recognise.
 Brian

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briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


The user would select the sound for the specific punctuation.  There 
wouldn't be preassigned sounds.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 5:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


I'm sure you were aware that there was a now dead comedian who made a lot of
money with his monologues where he substituted sounds for Punctuation!
Victor Borge'

Now my one problem with having a mode like this is, given the number of
different marks and their meaning in different circumstances in different
languages, it could need one heck of a  lot of individual sounds to cover
them all. I do know what you are getting at different sorts of brackets and
colons etc, are main candidates, with underscores being also useful.

Maybe this is add on territory ie a programmers version as most of us prefer
not to hear these greater thans etc all over the place, but obviously such
things are important in programming as are brackets and indents etc.
 Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Malykh" <anton.malykh@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 10:16 PM
Subject: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


> Hello all,
>
> Is there a way to substitute punctuation marks with custom sounds? I am a
> developer and often times I have to listen to tongue twisters of
> punctuation marks, like "left bracket right brace left paren .." I wish
> to replace all these parens and brackets with sounds. Is there a way to do
> so in NVDA?
>
> Thanks
> Tony
>
>
>
>











--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

Gene
 

I just found the information with a Google search.  If you aren't using Windows 10, this specific procedure may not apply but a similar one ddoes.  I know you are using Windows 10 but others reading this message may not be.  There is information for other versions of Windows on the site.  This information comes from a message by the other Gene where he reproduces the Windows 10 information from his web site that has lots of information related to NVDA.
 
Below will be what fixed mine on my windows 10 machine and also on a
ladies one.
 

I will also find the page with other fixes maybe the same or different.
 
 
 

Troubleshooting - NVDA says "unknown" or "pane" in all of your browsers,
Mozilla Thunderbird email client and other places
If for some reason you have problems with NVDA saying "unknown" or
"pane" check for the following symptoms:
.
In all of your browsers, or the Mozilla Thunderbird email client, no
matter what you do, you still hear "unknown" or "pane".
.
In the browser, email client and other menus you notice you cannot get
into your menus, or you are unable to use the quick navigation keys
.
When you have been told the page is loaded and notice strange behaviour
.
Mozilla Thunderbird saying unknown while you try to navigate it
.
Your applications key does not work with it being spoken out and other
strange behaviour in Windows
.
The running applications icons are not being spoken out
It might be a good idea to do the following:
Please note: If you are hearing "unknown" or "pane" (as discussed above)
NVDA might seem like it is still working properly but it may not be
completely in Windows and other programmes.
You could try the following solution which will allow you to re-register
your dll files in case they are causing the problem.
Press the Windows key then type the following into the search box. Type
in "command prompt". Once you have located command prompt, in the search
results, press the Applications key to bring up the context menu. Arrow
down to select "run as administrator" and press the Enter key. This will
take you to a command prompt window. This will not be spoken out. You
may need sighted assistance for this.
Type in the following command
for %x in (c:\windows\system32\*.dll) do regsvr32 /s %x
This should re-register all components in the system32 folder.
When it is finished, you can close the command prompt window with the
Alt + F4 key. You should notice now where NVDA was saying "unknown" as
in some examples given, NVDA should now read the icons in the running
applications area of Windows, speak the content of the webpage and
menus, and also in Mozilla Thunderbird and other places in Windows
including the Windows applications context menu.
 
My note:
I have never heard of closing a command prompt in Windows with alt f4.  You can try it but if it doesn't work, type exit and press enter. 
 
Gene, not from New Zeaaland

From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

I should have said, I don't think synthesizers have anything to do with the problem. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 7:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

Consider context carefully and consider that a user may be confusing issues.  Users may present information that doesn't apply.  In this case, I don't think synthesizers have anything to do with the message.  I think the user is assuming that they do, assuming that if something doesn't present proper material, you should try different synthesizers.  If the synthesizer is generally working, the problem isn't a synthesizer problem.  It looks to me as though this is an unregistered dll problem.  After synthesizers are mentioned, the message says:
Nvda does not work properly with Google Chrome too and firefox.esr and
with
Outlook 2010 program.
What does this sound like?  Unregistered dlls. 
 
Also, the message says that the problem doesn't occur with JAWS.  What does that sound like?  Unregistered DLL files.  Will someone please send the information that is routinely sent in such cases?  And if it doesn't solve the problem, attempting to register the dll files won't cause any problems.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

Hmm, well, I do not know enough about Outlook to comment, but this sounds to
me like it might be windows related.
When we said reset, what we meant was that if you found it used to work and
now it does not, if you could take your machine back to a date before it
went wrong in nvda, then it worked, job solved, if not then there is
probably an issue with nvda.
 Try creating a portable copy from a new version of the download. OK so some
things it cannot read since its not an installed copy but if it behaves as
expected, it most probably means there is corruption somewhere in the
installed copy. Somebody later on explains how to reset it. Also although
you do not use add ons, did you perhaps set up a profile?

That should also show up if it works with a portable copy too.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Moty Azrad" <motiaz@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN
WINDOWS10


> Hello Brain and Gene and others,
>
> First, thanks for your trying to help.
> To answer your questions brian:
> I sure turn off Jaws and works with NVDA ONLY.
> Second, the problem with NVDA OCCURS WITH ALL THE SYNTHS THAT I TRIED.
> With Espeak, Microsoft Sapi 5 Etc.
> Nvda does not work properly with Google Chrome too and firefox.esr and
> with
> Outlook 2010 program.
> I believe that NVDA IS DAMAGED AND I HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO REPAIR IT OR
> TO
> RESET MY PC.
> To reset my pc, I will go when I don't have any other solution.
> But again, Jaws 2018 works very well with all the programs I have in my
> pc.
>
> If my problem was discussed here, I'll be happy to get the solution as
> Gene
> worte here and I'll be much thankful for any help.
>
> Moti
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> Brian's
> Mail list account via Groups.Io
> Sent: Monday, February 5, 2018 5:40 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN
> WINDOWS10
>
> Not really, but if we knew what exactly the issue you are having is,
> somebody might be able to give you an educated guess as to what is going
> on.
>
> Do you have the latest version of the windows 10 essentials add on
> installed?
> Also which synth are you using and do you turn off jaws when using nvda.
> However a really detailed description of the problem is what we need on
> cases like this.
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Moty Azrad" <motiaz@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Monday, February 05, with Microsoft Sapi 5 Etc.
> I installed and reinstalled NVDA MANY TIMES BUT THIS PROGRAM DOES NOT WORK
> NO12:07 PM
> Subject: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN
> WINDOWS10
>
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>>
>>
>> I have windows10 home edition 64 bits.
>>
>> Jaws 2018 works very well.
>>
>> Nvda, 2017.4 or any snapshot, don't work properly.
>>
>> My question:
>>
>> Every month, I am doing disk cleanup and use the file system cleaning
>> too.
>>
>> I delete it and  make after that defrag or optimize my SSD C: drive.
>>
>> can NVDA be damaged with this action I'm doing monthly?
>>
>> Again, Jaws is not damaged and works very well but NVDA, does not work
>> properly with some programs as: firefox, google chrome, ms outlook
>> 2010 Etc.
>>
>> I use to delete my restore points and create manually one.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for any explanation or help for my isuue with NVDA.
>>
>> Moti
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>




Re: my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

Gene
 

I should have said, I don't think synthesizers have anything to do with the problem. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 7:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

Consider context carefully and consider that a user may be confusing issues.  Users may present information that doesn't apply.  In this case, I don't think synthesizers have anything to do with the message.  I think the user is assuming that they do, assuming that if something doesn't present proper material, you should try different synthesizers.  If the synthesizer is generally working, the problem isn't a synthesizer problem.  It looks to me as though this is an unregistered dll problem.  After synthesizers are mentioned, the message says:
Nvda does not work properly with Google Chrome too and firefox.esr and
with
Outlook 2010 program.
What does this sound like?  Unregistered dlls. 
 
Also, the message says that the problem doesn't occur with JAWS.  What does that sound like?  Unregistered DLL files.  Will someone please send the information that is routinely sent in such cases?  And if it doesn't solve the problem, attempting to register the dll files won't cause any problems.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

Hmm, well, I do not know enough about Outlook to comment, but this sounds to
me like it might be windows related.
When we said reset, what we meant was that if you found it used to work and
now it does not, if you could take your machine back to a date before it
went wrong in nvda, then it worked, job solved, if not then there is
probably an issue with nvda.
 Try creating a portable copy from a new version of the download. OK so some
things it cannot read since its not an installed copy but if it behaves as
expected, it most probably means there is corruption somewhere in the
installed copy. Somebody later on explains how to reset it. Also although
you do not use add ons, did you perhaps set up a profile?

That should also show up if it works with a portable copy too.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Moty Azrad" <motiaz@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN
WINDOWS10


> Hello Brain and Gene and others,
>
> First, thanks for your trying to help.
> To answer your questions brian:
> I sure turn off Jaws and works with NVDA ONLY.
> Second, the problem with NVDA OCCURS WITH ALL THE SYNTHS THAT I TRIED.
> With Espeak, Microsoft Sapi 5 Etc.
> Nvda does not work properly with Google Chrome too and firefox.esr and
> with
> Outlook 2010 program.
> I believe that NVDA IS DAMAGED AND I HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO REPAIR IT OR
> TO
> RESET MY PC.
> To reset my pc, I will go when I don't have any other solution.
> But again, Jaws 2018 works very well with all the programs I have in my
> pc.
>
> If my problem was discussed here, I'll be happy to get the solution as
> Gene
> worte here and I'll be much thankful for any help.
>
> Moti
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> Brian's
> Mail list account via Groups.Io
> Sent: Monday, February 5, 2018 5:40 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN
> WINDOWS10
>
> Not really, but if we knew what exactly the issue you are having is,
> somebody might be able to give you an educated guess as to what is going
> on.
>
> Do you have the latest version of the windows 10 essentials add on
> installed?
> Also which synth are you using and do you turn off jaws when using nvda.
> However a really detailed description of the problem is what we need on
> cases like this.
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Moty Azrad" <motiaz@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Monday, February 05, with Microsoft Sapi 5 Etc.
> I installed and reinstalled NVDA MANY TIMES BUT THIS PROGRAM DOES NOT WORK
> NO12:07 PM
> Subject: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN
> WINDOWS10
>
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>>
>>
>> I have windows10 home edition 64 bits.
>>
>> Jaws 2018 works very well.
>>
>> Nvda, 2017.4 or any snapshot, don't work properly.
>>
>> My question:
>>
>> Every month, I am doing disk cleanup and use the file system cleaning
>> too.
>>
>> I delete it and  make after that defrag or optimize my SSD C: drive.
>>
>> can NVDA be damaged with this action I'm doing monthly?
>>
>> Again, Jaws is not damaged and works very well but NVDA, does not work
>> properly with some programs as: firefox, google chrome, ms outlook
>> 2010 Etc.
>>
>> I use to delete my restore points and create manually one.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for any explanation or help for my isuue with NVDA.
>>
>> Moti
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>




Re: my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

Gene
 

Ideally, it would be nice to have this information.  But it is not necessary in this case for two reasons:
First, this kind of problem is discussed over and over again.  It is so common that there should be something in the tools menu that says something like reregister dll files, or something else, that will run something that reregisters the dll files that may be unregistered. 
Second, registering the dll files will cause no problems even if that isn't the problem in this case and they are already register3ed.  Therefore, information on how to reregister the files should be sent.  You don't always need every fact stated to make a good attempt to solve a problem.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 7:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

The info we need is, for example in the web browsers is it the page info
that is not reading, ie does the pull down menu system work. In outlook
which bits work and which do not.

Its all a need to pinpoint where the problem lies. The fact that Jaws still
works only means that its interacting with the system in a different way,
you might find in fact that other applications have issues with jaws.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Moty Azrad" <motiaz@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN
WINDOWS10


Chris,



I worte here some times that NVDA does not work with, google chrome, or
firefox.esr, or MS Outlook 2010 Etc.

Again, I hope some one helps me. Gene worte here that this problem had been
discussed here and the solution was written here but up to now, I didn't get
any solution.

Thanks and hope for more support.



Thanks much again.



Moti



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 12:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN
WINDOWS10



What is not working properly???

Without further information its all going to be a guess









From: Arlene <mailto:nedster66@...>
Sent: 05 February 2018 22:01
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN
WINDOWS10



Hi, this person's having this problem with win ten.



-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra

Sent: February-05-18 6:47 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN
WINDOWS10



hello.

just disk clean up does not cause problem for nvda.

i use disk clean up on windows xp, c drive only and have no issue with nvda.



On 2/5/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

> You have evidently removed a program that unregistered some dll files.

> How to reregister them has been discussed on the list before.  I

> didn't keep the information and I'll leave it to others to tell you

> where to find it, as to how to reregister them.  It's a simple

> procedure and it will probably solve your problem.

>

> Gene

> ----- Original Message -----

>

> From: Moty Azrad

> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 6:07 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN

> WINDOWS10

>

>

> Dear all,

>

>

>

> I have windows10 home edition 64 bits.

>

> Jaws 2018 works very well.

>

> Nvda, 2017.4 or any snapshot, don't work properly.

>

> My question:

>

> Every month, I am doing disk cleanup and use the file system cleaning too.

>

> I delete it and  make after that defrag or optimize my SSD C: drive.

>

> can NVDA be damaged with this action I'm doing monthly?

>

> Again, Jaws is not damaged and works very well but NVDA, does not work

> properly with some programs as: firefox, google chrome, ms outlook

> 2010 Etc.

>

> I use to delete my restore points and create manually one.

>

>

>

> Thanks for any explanation or help for my isuue with NVDA.

>

> Moti

>

>





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Re: my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

Gene
 

Consider context carefully and consider that a user may be confusing issues.  Users may present information that doesn't apply.  In this case, I don't think synthesizers have anything to do with the message.  I think the user is assuming that they do, assuming that if something doesn't present proper material, you should try different synthesizers.  If the synthesizer is generally working, the problem isn't a synthesizer problem.  It looks to me as though this is an unregistered dll problem.  After synthesizers are mentioned, the message says:
Nvda does not work properly with Google Chrome too and firefox.esr and
with
Outlook 2010 program.
What does this sound like?  Unregistered dlls. 
 
Also, the message says that the problem doesn't occur with JAWS.  What does that sound like?  Unregistered DLL files.  Will someone please send the information that is routinely sent in such cases?  And if it doesn't solve the problem, attempting to register the dll files won't cause any problems.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

Hmm, well, I do not know enough about Outlook to comment, but this sounds to
me like it might be windows related.
When we said reset, what we meant was that if you found it used to work and
now it does not, if you could take your machine back to a date before it
went wrong in nvda, then it worked, job solved, if not then there is
probably an issue with nvda.
 Try creating a portable copy from a new version of the download. OK so some
things it cannot read since its not an installed copy but if it behaves as
expected, it most probably means there is corruption somewhere in the
installed copy. Somebody later on explains how to reset it. Also although
you do not use add ons, did you perhaps set up a profile?

That should also show up if it works with a portable copy too.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Moty Azrad" <motiaz@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN
WINDOWS10


> Hello Brain and Gene and others,
>
> First, thanks for your trying to help.
> To answer your questions brian:
> I sure turn off Jaws and works with NVDA ONLY.
> Second, the problem with NVDA OCCURS WITH ALL THE SYNTHS THAT I TRIED.
> With Espeak, Microsoft Sapi 5 Etc.
> Nvda does not work properly with Google Chrome too and firefox.esr and
> with
> Outlook 2010 program.
> I believe that NVDA IS DAMAGED AND I HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO REPAIR IT OR
> TO
> RESET MY PC.
> To reset my pc, I will go when I don't have any other solution.
> But again, Jaws 2018 works very well with all the programs I have in my
> pc.
>
> If my problem was discussed here, I'll be happy to get the solution as
> Gene
> worte here and I'll be much thankful for any help.
>
> Moti
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Brian's
> Mail list account via Groups.Io
> Sent: Monday, February 5, 2018 5:40 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN
> WINDOWS10
>
> Not really, but if we knew what exactly the issue you are having is,
> somebody might be able to give you an educated guess as to what is going
> on.
>
> Do you have the latest version of the windows 10 essentials add on
> installed?
> Also which synth are you using and do you turn off jaws when using nvda.
> However a really detailed description of the problem is what we need on
> cases like this.
> Brian
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Moty Azrad" <motiaz@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Monday, February 05, with Microsoft Sapi 5 Etc.
> I installed and reinstalled NVDA MANY TIMES BUT THIS PROGRAM DOES NOT WORK
> NO12:07 PM
> Subject: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN
> WINDOWS10
>
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>>
>>
>> I have windows10 home edition 64 bits.
>>
>> Jaws 2018 works very well.
>>
>> Nvda, 2017.4 or any snapshot, don't work properly.
>>
>> My question:
>>
>> Every month, I am doing disk cleanup and use the file system cleaning
>> too.
>>
>> I delete it and  make after that defrag or optimize my SSD C: drive.
>>
>> can NVDA be damaged with this action I'm doing monthly?
>>
>> Again, Jaws is not damaged and works very well but NVDA, does not work
>> properly with some programs as: firefox, google chrome, ms outlook
>> 2010 Etc.
>>
>> I use to delete my restore points and create manually one.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for any explanation or help for my isuue with NVDA.
>>
>> Moti
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>




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In windows 10 it uses Microsofts cloud ocr by default.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io" <k_gunness=yahoo.ca@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question


hi quentin
i forgot, to do OCR using NVDA an addon has to be downloded or can be used just with the installation?

kerryn
----- Original Message -----
From: Quentin Christensen
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 10:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question


Hi Kerryn,


I copied this from last October's In-Process re using OCR. Basically:


To do OCR with NVDA 2017.4 on Windows 10:
1. Open the PDF file in Adobe Reader.
2. Press NVDA+r. NVDA reports “Recognising”. After a pause, NVDA reports “Result document”.
3. Although visually, the screen hasn’t changed, NVDA has placed the text recognised in the image in a “virtual document”. You can navigate around this just like a document in WordPad. Press NVDA+down arrow (laptop: NVDA+a) to read the whole document from the current point.
4. Press control+home to move to the top of the virtual document.
5. Press down arrow to move through and read the text line by line.
6. When finished, press escape to exit the virtual document.


Or, using Windows 7 or 8 OR NVDA earlier than 2017.3:
1. Open the PDF file in Adobe Reader.
2. Press NVDA+r. NVDA reports “Recognising”. After a pause, NVDA reports “Done”.
3. Although visually, the screen hasn’t changed, NVDA has placed the text recognised in the image in a “virtual document”. You can navigate around this using the review cursor. Press numpad plus (laptop: NVDA+shift+a) to read the whole document from the current point.
4. Press shift+numpad 7 (laptop: NVDA+control+home) to move to the top of the virtual document.
5. Press numpad 9 (laptop: NVDA+down arrow) to move through and read the text line by line.



The article is: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-5th-october-2017/


With regard to "utilising the mouse arrow", could you please clarify exactly what you are trying to do? Yes it is possible to do several things either with the mouse, or to the mouse and with further information, I can give you steps for that also.


Kind regards


Quentin.


On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:17 AM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io <k_gunness=yahoo.ca@groups.io> wrote:

1 how to use NVDA to do OCR? say for pdf documents
2 with jaws the mouse arrow is utilised, could the mouse arrow be used with NVDA?
hey devin could u contact me privately?
email is
k_gunness@yahoo.ca
thanks
----- Original Message -----
From: Devin Prater
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


I like the idea too, along with voice changes or sounds to denote different attributes, such as style changes in word and email, or HTML elements on the web.

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor


, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified by World Services for the Blind


On Feb 4, 2018, at 2:21 PM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:


This actually reminds me of JFW in that an attachment was detected and for me I had a sliding tone play so I could know what was going on very quickly. I like the idea actually.



On Feb 4, 2018, at 3:12 AM, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:


You are assuming a sound would be wanted for every punctuation sign. And at least in Engglish and many languages, there aren't that many. Period, question mark, colon, semicolon quotation marks and you might want a sound for ellipsis. You could have more sounds as well. You could have sounds in the pronunciation dictionary so you can assign sounds for whatever you want. The user could even put sound files in the program if he/she doesn't like what is provided. Now let's see what kinds of sounds we might have Bell, whistle, door close, door open, chime, and all sorts of variations such as high pitch bell, low pitch bell, car dor, a door such as in a house, and other people may come up with all sorts of other examples. The world is full of distinctive sounds. And JAWS has had such a feature for probably over a dedcade so this is not at all a novel idea.

Gene
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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


No maybe not but this would need a lot of sounds and I question how easy it
might be to come up with enough of them to be easy to recognise.
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From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
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Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


The user would select the sound for the specific punctuation. There
wouldn't be preassigned sounds.

Gene
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Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 5:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


I'm sure you were aware that there was a now dead comedian who made a lot of
money with his monologues where he substituted sounds for Punctuation!
Victor Borge'

Now my one problem with having a mode like this is, given the number of
different marks and their meaning in different circumstances in different
languages, it could need one heck of a lot of individual sounds to cover
them all. I do know what you are getting at different sorts of brackets and
colons etc, are main candidates, with underscores being also useful.

Maybe this is add on territory ie a programmers version as most of us prefer
not to hear these greater thans etc all over the place, but obviously such
things are important in programming as are brackets and indents etc.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Malykh" <anton.malykh@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 10:16 PM
Subject: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


> Hello all,
>
> Is there a way to substitute punctuation marks with custom sounds? I am a
> developer and often times I have to listen to tongue twisters of
> punctuation marks, like "left bracket right brace left paren .." I wish
> to replace all these parens and brackets with sounds. Is there a way to do
> so in NVDA?
>
> Thanks
> Tony
>
>
>
>


















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Re: my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

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No we were trying to actually pin it down, as just not working is too vague really.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Moty Azrad" <motiaz@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10


Chris,



I am using NVDA for some years and now my NVDA DOES NOT WORK PROPERLY.

I CAN USE IT LITTLE BIT FOR READING DOCUMENTS WITH ms word but many other programs do't work.



I see that no one may help and I will have to go to reset my PC to solve that problem.



Thanks



Moti



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 11:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10



What does or doesnt nvda do specifically?





From: Moty Azrad <mailto:motiaz@gmail.com>
Sent: 06 February 2018 07:18
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10



Chris,



I worte here some times that NVDA does not work with, google chrome, or firefox.esr, or MS Outlook 2010 Etc.

Again, I hope some one helps me. Gene worte here that this problem had been discussed here and the solution was written here but up to now, I didn't get any solution.

Thanks and hope for more support.



Thanks much again.



Moti



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 12:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10



What is not working properly???

Without further information its all going to be a guess









From: Arlene <mailto:nedster66@gmail.com>
Sent: 05 February 2018 22:01
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10



Hi, this person's having this problem with win ten.



-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra

Sent: February-05-18 6:47 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10



hello.

just disk clean up does not cause problem for nvda.

i use disk clean up on windows xp, c drive only and have no issue with nvda.



On 2/5/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:

You have evidently removed a program that unregistered some dll files.
How to reregister them has been discussed on the list before. I
didn't keep the information and I'll leave it to others to tell you
where to find it, as to how to reregister them. It's a simple
procedure and it will probably solve your problem.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Moty Azrad
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 6:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN
WINDOWS10
Dear all,
I have windows10 home edition 64 bits.
Jaws 2018 works very well.
Nvda, 2017.4 or any snapshot, don't work properly.
My question:
Every month, I am doing disk cleanup and use the file system cleaning too.
I delete it and make after that defrag or optimize my SSD C: drive.
can NVDA be damaged with this action I'm doing monthly?
Again, Jaws is not damaged and works very well but NVDA, does not work
properly with some programs as: firefox, google chrome, ms outlook
2010 Etc.
I use to delete my restore points and create manually one.
Thanks for any explanation or help for my isuue with NVDA.
Moti




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Re: google chrome: problem only in the first page, can you try?

Simone Dal Maso
 

Il 06/02/2018 14:40, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io ha scritto:
If you switch away, say to desktop then back does thepage work then?
no!


Re: google chrome: problem only in the first page, can you try?

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If you switch away, say to desktop then back does thepage work then?
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Simone Dal Maso" <simone.dalmaso@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 10:01 AM
Subject: [nvda] google chrome: problem only in the first page, can you try?


Hello,
I'm using google chrome with a blank page as main page.
When I open Chrome, then I press alt-d to go to address bar and then I search something.
As a result, I see the page loaded into the screen, but NVDA is not able to read the content, it says busy document.
I should open another page, for example m.facebook.com, then return to address bar and search something again, and now it works.
Do you have the same issues?



Re: my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

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The info we need is, for example in the web browsers is it the page info that is not reading, ie does the pull down menu system work. In outlook which bits work and which do not.

Its all a need to pinpoint where the problem lies. The fact that Jaws still works only means that its interacting with the system in a different way, you might find in fact that other applications have issues with jaws.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Moty Azrad" <motiaz@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10


Chris,



I worte here some times that NVDA does not work with, google chrome, or firefox.esr, or MS Outlook 2010 Etc.

Again, I hope some one helps me. Gene worte here that this problem had been discussed here and the solution was written here but up to now, I didn't get any solution.

Thanks and hope for more support.



Thanks much again.



Moti



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 12:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10



What is not working properly???

Without further information its all going to be a guess









From: Arlene <mailto:nedster66@gmail.com>
Sent: 05 February 2018 22:01
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10



Hi, this person's having this problem with win ten.



-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra

Sent: February-05-18 6:47 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10



hello.

just disk clean up does not cause problem for nvda.

i use disk clean up on windows xp, c drive only and have no issue with nvda.



On 2/5/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:

You have evidently removed a program that unregistered some dll files.
How to reregister them has been discussed on the list before. I
didn't keep the information and I'll leave it to others to tell you
where to find it, as to how to reregister them. It's a simple
procedure and it will probably solve your problem.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Moty Azrad
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 6:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN
WINDOWS10
Dear all,
I have windows10 home edition 64 bits.
Jaws 2018 works very well.
Nvda, 2017.4 or any snapshot, don't work properly.
My question:
Every month, I am doing disk cleanup and use the file system cleaning too.
I delete it and make after that defrag or optimize my SSD C: drive.
can NVDA be damaged with this action I'm doing monthly?
Again, Jaws is not damaged and works very well but NVDA, does not work
properly with some programs as: firefox, google chrome, ms outlook
2010 Etc.
I use to delete my restore points and create manually one.
Thanks for any explanation or help for my isuue with NVDA.
Moti




--

we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.

holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.

in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:

indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.

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Is there a way as in previous versions oof office to place recognised text in a new word document?
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From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 2:00 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question


Hi Kerryn,

I copied this from last October's In-Process re using OCR. Basically:

To do OCR with NVDA 2017.4 on Windows 10:
1. Open the PDF file in Adobe Reader.
2. Press *NVDA+r*. NVDA reports “Recognising”. After a pause, NVDA reports
“Result document”.
3. Although visually, the screen hasn’t changed, NVDA has placed the text
recognised in the image in a “virtual document”. You can navigate around
this just like a document in WordPad. Press *NVDA+down arrow* (laptop:
*NVDA+a*) to read the whole document from the current point.
4. Press *control+home* to move to the top of the virtual document.
5. Press *down arrow* to move through and read the text line by line.
6. When finished, press *escape* to exit the virtual document.

Or, using Windows 7 or 8 OR NVDA earlier than 2017.3:
1. Open the PDF file in Adobe Reader.
2. Press *NVDA+r*. NVDA reports “Recognising”. After a pause, NVDA reports
“Done”.
3. Although visually, the screen hasn’t changed, NVDA has placed the text
recognised in the image in a “virtual document”. You can navigate around
this using the review cursor. Press *numpad plus* (laptop: *NVDA+shift+a*)
to read the whole document from the current point.
4. Press *shift+numpad 7* (laptop: *NVDA+control+home*) to move to the top
of the virtual document.
5. Press *numpad 9* (laptop: *NVDA+down arrow*) to move through and read
the text line by line.

The article is: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-5th-october-2017/

With regard to "utilising the mouse arrow", could you please clarify
exactly what you are trying to do? Yes it is possible to do several things
either with the mouse, or to the mouse and with further information, I can
give you steps for that also.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:17 AM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io <
k_gunness=yahoo.ca@groups.io> wrote:

1 how to use NVDA to do OCR? say for pdf documents
2 with jaws the mouse arrow is utilised, could the mouse arrow be used
with NVDA?
hey devin could u contact me privately?
email is
k_gunness@yahoo.ca
thanks

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Devin Prater <r.d.t.prater@gmail.com>
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Sent:* Sunday, February 4, 2018 6:18 PM
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds

I like the idea too, along with voice changes or sounds to denote
different attributes, such as style changes in word and email, or HTML
elements on the web.
Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor

, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified by
World Services for the Blind

On Feb 4, 2018, at 2:21 PM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:

This actually reminds me of JFW in that an attachment was detected and for
me I had a sliding tone play so I could know what was going on very
quickly. I like the idea actually.

On Feb 4, 2018, at 3:12 AM, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:

You are assuming a sound would be wanted for every punctuation sign. And
at least in Engglish and many languages, there aren't that many. Period,
question mark, colon, semicolon quotation marks and you might want a sound
for ellipsis. You could have more sounds as well. You could have sounds
in the pronunciation dictionary so you can assign sounds for whatever you
want. The user could even put sound files in the program if he/she doesn't
like what is provided. Now let's see what kinds of sounds we might have.
Bell, whistle, door close, door open, chime, and all sorts of variations
such as high pitch bell, low pitch bell, car dor, a door such as in a
house, and other people may come up with all sorts of other examples. The
world is full of distinctive sounds. And JAWS has had such a feature for
probably over a dedcade so this is not at all a novel idea.

Gene
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No maybe not but this would need a lot of sounds and I question how easy it

might be to come up with enough of them to be easy to recognise.
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From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


The user would select the sound for the specific punctuation. There
wouldn't be preassigned sounds.

Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


I'm sure you were aware that there was a now dead comedian who made a lot
of
money with his monologues where he substituted sounds for Punctuation!
Victor Borge'

Now my one problem with having a mode like this is, given the number of
different marks and their meaning in different circumstances in different
languages, it could need one heck of a lot of individual sounds to cover
them all. I do know what you are getting at different sorts of brackets and
colons etc, are main candidates, with underscores being also useful.

Maybe this is add on territory ie a programmers version as most of us
prefer
not to hear these greater thans etc all over the place, but obviously such
things are important in programming as are brackets and indents etc.
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 10:16 PM
Subject: [nvda] Substitute punctuation marks with sounds


Hello all,

Is there a way to substitute punctuation marks with custom sounds? I am a
developer and often times I have to listen to tongue twisters of
punctuation marks, like "left bracket right brace left paren ..." I wish
to replace all these parens and brackets with sounds. Is there a way to
do
so in NVDA?

Thanks
Tony













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Re: my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

Gene
 

People can tell you how to attempt to solve the problem.  It sounds to me like the problem of unregistered dll files.  Aside from that, you don't have to reset Windows if you can't solve the problem by registering the dll files again if you have system restore on and if you have a restore point from before the problem began.  You should have system restore on or some other reversion system available.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Moty Azrad
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 4:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

Chris,

 

I am using NVDA for some years and now my NVDA DOES NOT WORK PROPERLY.

I CAN USE IT LITTLE BIT FOR READING DOCUMENTS WITH ms word but many other programs do't work.

 

I see that no one may help and I will have to go to reset my PC to solve that problem.

 

Thanks

 

Moti

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 11:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

 

What does or doesnt nvda do specifically?

 

 

From: Moty Azrad
Sent: 06 February 2018 07:18
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

 

Chris,

 

I worte here some times that NVDA does not work with, google chrome, or firefox.esr, or MS Outlook 2010 Etc.

Again, I hope some one helps me. Gene worte here that this problem had been discussed here and the solution was written here but up to now, I didn't get any solution.

Thanks and hope for more support.

 

Thanks much again.

 

Moti

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 12:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

 

What is not working properly???

Without further information its all going to be a guess

 

 

 

 

From: Arlene
Sent: 05 February 2018 22:01
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

 

Hi, this person's having this problem with win ten.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra

Sent: February-05-18 6:47 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

 

hello.

just disk clean up does not cause problem for nvda.

i use disk clean up on windows xp, c drive only and have no issue with nvda.

 

On 2/5/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

> You have evidently removed a program that unregistered some dll files.

> How to reregister them has been discussed on the list before.  I

> didn't keep the information and I'll leave it to others to tell you

> where to find it, as to how to reregister them.  It's a simple

> procedure and it will probably solve your problem.

> Gene

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Moty Azrad

> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 6:07 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN

> WINDOWS10

> Dear all,

> I have windows10 home edition 64 bits.

> Jaws 2018 works very well.

> Nvda, 2017.4 or any snapshot, don't work properly.

> My question:

> Every month, I am doing disk cleanup and use the file system cleaning too.

> I delete it and  make after that defrag or optimize my SSD C: drive.

> can NVDA be damaged with this action I'm doing monthly?

> Again, Jaws is not damaged and works very well but NVDA, does not work

> properly with some programs as: firefox, google chrome, ms outlook

> 2010 Etc.

> I use to delete my restore points and create manually one.

> Thanks for any explanation or help for my isuue with NVDA.

> Moti

 

 

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holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.

in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:

indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.

best website for studying islamic book in different languages www.al-islam.org

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Outlook 2013 and NVDA locking on password prompt

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Yes I've seen something similar on network password on windows 7, but its not always doing it. Sounds like a focus issue.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Pranav Lal" <pranav.lal@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 12:47 AM
Subject: [nvda] Outlook 2013 and NVDA locking on password prompt


Hi all,

I use Outlook 2013 at work on Windows 10. If I connect to my work e-mail
from a network other than my work network, I am asked for a password. This
window comes up as a separate window on the computer. If I switch focus to
that window using alt+tab, NVDA tells me that it is not responding. I am
unable to enter any text in it but I can read the window title using nvda
key + t.

If someone clicks with the mouse to get focus to that window, I am able to
enter my password.

Has anyone else encountered this? I am using NVDA 2017.4.

Pranav



Re: my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

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Actually ccleaner does not really do much optimising, so is safe on ssds, it just clears out clutter in both the files and registry.
I'd not use one of the third party defrag and optimiser on an ssd as it often does multiple read writes to the disc.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10


Well optimising your ssd is supposed to shorten its life.

I have not noticed dammage while cleaning things to anything but google some of the chrome extentions can get dammaged.

I clear my restores every 6 months.

You shouldn't need to clean things every month.

I run ccleaner each session and at the end of the day to clear any potential nastys out of my temp locations.

I get a lot of malware in my temp locations which I don't care much if someone gets in there as I am always clearing that out of my temp locations.

As for disk cleanup every 6 munths or so.

Most of it is small fry, temp locations, and a few other things.

The biggest waste of space are old windows updates and logs.

If you ever clear windows defender its going to say your system is not secure and prompt you to scan till you do because its got nothing to show its been activated or anything so I don't clear this.

As for restore points, I clear points every so often, I do clear all points before a major windows update and make another.

What I wish was for ms to clear all recovery partitons which were not the current windows update, yeah I know I can do this via partid but I'd like a guid thing or an automated things to clear out well partitions and resize things accordingly which are not manufacturer or the latest windows upgrade partition.

To be honest I don't know why ms doesn't do it itself when upgrading why leave a lot of non functional 500mb partitions at all.




On 6/02/2018 1:07 a.m., Moty Azrad wrote:
Dear all,


I have windows10 home edition 64 bits.

Jaws 2018 works very well.

Nvda, 2017.4 or any snapshot, don't work properly.

My question:

Every month, I am doing disk cleanup and use the file system cleaning too.

I delete it and make after that defrag or optimize my SSD C: drive.

can NVDA be damaged with this action I'm doing monthly?

Again, Jaws is not damaged and works very well but NVDA, does not work
properly with some programs as: firefox, google chrome, ms outlook 2010 Etc.

I use to delete my restore points and create manually one.


Thanks for any explanation or help for my isuue with NVDA.

Moti



Re: my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

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I doubt very much if it cares which windows it is, one can get similar weird stuff on them all.

I think he needs to be more specific with the actual failings.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlene" <nedster66@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10


Hi, this person's having this problem with win ten.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: February-05-18 6:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

hello.
just disk clean up does not cause problem for nvda.
i use disk clean up on windows xp, c drive only and have no issue with nvda.

On 2/5/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
You have evidently removed a program that unregistered some dll files.
How to reregister them has been discussed on the list before. I
didn't keep the information and I'll leave it to others to tell you
where to find it, as to how to reregister them. It's a simple
procedure and it will probably solve your problem.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Moty Azrad
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 6:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN
WINDOWS10


Dear all,



I have windows10 home edition 64 bits.

Jaws 2018 works very well.

Nvda, 2017.4 or any snapshot, don't work properly.

My question:

Every month, I am doing disk cleanup and use the file system cleaning too.

I delete it and make after that defrag or optimize my SSD C: drive.

can NVDA be damaged with this action I'm doing monthly?

Again, Jaws is not damaged and works very well but NVDA, does not work
properly with some programs as: firefox, google chrome, ms outlook
2010 Etc.

I use to delete my restore points and create manually one.



Thanks for any explanation or help for my isuue with NVDA.

Moti


--
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Re: my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10

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The problem with Jaws is that it costs a packet, and so do the updates.

I'm sure the problem is not complex, but as is most things on computers, pinpointing the actual cause needs some logic applied to the diagnostics and only try one thing at a time.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlene" <nedster66@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN WINDOWS10


Noti, I hope they find or you find a work around for NVDA to work with your
win ten system. Good thing you have jaws 18. It's good to have a back up
screen reader should one go gunnybag.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Moty
Azrad
Sent: February-05-18 8:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN
WINDOWS10

Hello Brain and Gene and others,

First, thanks for your trying to help.
To answer your questions brian:
I sure turn off Jaws and works with NVDA ONLY.
Second, the problem with NVDA OCCURS WITH ALL THE SYNTHS THAT I TRIED.
With Espeak, Microsoft Sapi 5 Etc.
Nvda does not work properly with Google Chrome too and firefox.esr and with
Outlook 2010 program.
I believe that NVDA IS DAMAGED AND I HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO REPAIR IT OR TO
RESET MY PC.
To reset my pc, I will go when I don't have any other solution.
But again, Jaws 2018 works very well with all the programs I have in my pc.

If my problem was discussed here, I'll be happy to get the solution as Gene
worte here and I'll be much thankful for any help.

Moti

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Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, February 5, 2018 5:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN
WINDOWS10

Not really, but if we knew what exactly the issue you are having is,
somebody might be able to give you an educated guess as to what is going on.

Do you have the latest version of the windows 10 essentials add on
installed?
Also which synth are you using and do you turn off jaws when using nvda.
However a really detailed description of the problem is what we need on
cases like this.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Moty Azrad" <motiaz@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 05, with Microsoft Sapi 5 Etc.
I installed and reinstalled NVDA MANY TIMES BUT THIS PROGRAM DOES NOT WORK
NO12:07 PM
Subject: [nvda] my pc works properly but NVDA IS NOT WORKINF FINE IN
WINDOWS10


Dear all,



I have windows10 home edition 64 bits.

Jaws 2018 works very well.

Nvda, 2017.4 or any snapshot, don't work properly.

My question:

Every month, I am doing disk cleanup and use the file system cleaning too.

I delete it and make after that defrag or optimize my SSD C: drive.

can NVDA be damaged with this action I'm doing monthly?

Again, Jaws is not damaged and works very well but NVDA, does not work
properly with some programs as: firefox, google chrome, ms outlook
2010 Etc.

I use to delete my restore points and create manually one.



Thanks for any explanation or help for my isuue with NVDA.

Moti










Re: CCleaner and NVDA

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It works well some focus issues but nothing serious at all that I can see, though use the portable version rather than the installed on in case it installs Avast without asking, and its a swine to remove.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nomer" <swnomer@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 5:22 PM
Subject: [nvda] CCleaner and NVDA


Has anyone had experience using CCleaner with NVDA?


Thanks,


Steve