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Re: reporting of element with nvda + tab key

Tony Malykh
 

I think NVDA+Tab reports focused element. Most headings are not focusable. Therefore it would report last focusable element on the web page that you visited with your cursor.

On 1/31/2021 4:38 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi guys


Say if I jump down to a heading on a web page you hear nvda speak it out. But if I hit the nvda key + tab key it reports some thing else on the screen and not the name of the heading I landed on.


I know I can route the focus to where the heading is butand have it spoken out but if I hit the nvda key + tab key it reports something else.


I know before it would report the focused element it was on before I just can not remember the setting or shortcut to fix the problem has any one got a idea.


I know when I find out it is going up on the website just in case some one else has the same problem like I mentioned.


Gene nz






Re: I think it's time to think about an add-on for Zara

Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
 

Brian, Sara and all,
This is the same program I wrote to the list about on Christmas eve.
The list of issues remains the same as I wrote then, with a few
updates and clarifications. The issues are as follows:
1. There are buttons at the bottom of the window for
scheduling events, adding jingles, changing the playlist mode, and
checking/unchecking the talk-over box. None of these buttons are
accessible with the keyboard. The playlist mode is not a huge issue,
but its default appears to be repeat when I would like it in normal
mode. I can get around this by putting a stop command at the end of
the playlist, but I'd rather not have to remember to do this every
time I create a playlist. The talk-over option is accessible in the
tools menu, but if you're in a live situation, it would sound much
better to have a one-keystroke combination to uncheck the talk-over
box. My friend also discovered by accident that control+P plays only
the item currently selected in the playlist, making this a workaround
for not being able to add jingles to the section dedicated for that
purpose, but it could also mean that you can't call up a sound bite on
the fly. As for event scheduling, I discovered after reading the
manual again that Zara does have the ability to do some things either
via EXE program or bat file at the command line, but there doesn't
appear to be any documentation on what commands are supported or how
to use them. I have no idea whether scheduling events is something
that could be written into a batch file, but this is the one thing I
can't find any sort of workaround for.
2. When the playing Zara window has focus, NVDA speaks an endless
series of percentages, which Joseph and I theorized was a volume
meter. In any case, this makes Zara very difficult to work with when
it is playing.
3. In playlists, NVDA doesn't read what the playlists are for. Joseph
indicated that table commands could be used to navigate tracks in
these lists, which I will have to review and see what I can get out of
them. The problem I have with NVDA is that it reads each individual
track just fine, but I have to switch to System Access in order to get
the length of the playlist or that the other list is for upcoming
events. Joseph, in your testing, did you try adding audio, then using
table commands to determine total playlist length or that the other
list was for events? NVDA does read each track's name and length, but
does not read the total length of the playlist that I can determine.
4. This is something I hadn't tested when I wrote my original message,
but decided to test it the other night and is why in my first reply I
asked about break notes in Station Playlist. With Zara, you can add a
text file to the list, and when it gets to that point in the list, a
window is supposed to pop up with the contents of that file. If I had
not read the manual though, I would have no clue what the purpose of
adding a text file to a playlist would be. In Station Playlist and
presumably more expensive systems, break notes can be inserted. These
are text notes, that are supposed to do what I described with Zara so
that the DJ can read them live. I suspect that with the type of
broadcasting many on this list do that wouldn't be used much anyway,
but it's worth an ask.
5. Another thing I hadn't thought to test yet but I have since, is
that the DTMF detector doesn't show up when navigating the options
tree view with NVDA. I was hoping to try and simulate a satellite feed
using multiple sound devices on my computer but was running into a
bunch of other issues that are way off topic for this list as well.
My friend Jake seemed to think that Zara wasn't being developed
anymore. I have no proof one way or the other, but with the exceptions
of product manuals, they've taken down all support documentation and
so far do not respond to contact requests. I hope this answers any
questions.
Bob

On 1/31/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 04:30 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:


Can you give a valid use case as to why such an add on might be needed if
the app is hardly ever used?
-
And there is is, and legitimately is.

There is finite man/woman power out there, and a very great many add-ons
come into existence as personal projects.

They seldom come into existence in response to requests for same from single
users (unless they write them) or very small groups using obscure software.

Still, Sarah nails it with, " Your message is not specific enough for us to
help troubleshoot. "  There at least exists the potential that a number of
things that you believe are not accessible might be, or there might be
workarounds to make them kinda-sorta accessible.  Details about what you're
trying to do, how you're trying to do it, what you expect to happen, and
what is happening is absolutely necessary.  It would have to be provided to
an add-on writer, too, if things are actually inaccessible that an add-on
could make so.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval
can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

~ Brian Vogel






Re: outlook 365

Joney
 

Hi everyone:
If anyone figures out how to get Outlook to open without landing in the day to file, I’d sure appreciate it. I’ve been fighting with it since I put office 365 on my computer. If I sighted person takes it out of the data box by hitting the X that doesn’t show up on our screen readers, as soon as I move it to read the mail, it’s back in the day to file ideas anyway? Thanks in advance.

On Jan 31, 2021, at 10:45 AM, Guy Schlosser <guyster@bex.net> wrote:

Lali, is your work running an exchange server? If so, you absolutely can do this with Thunderbird. There is an add-on called Exquilla, that will let Thunderbird communicate flawlessly with an exchange server. I know this, because I use it. I am the biggest outlook hater in the world! Sorry to those who love it. If you have anymore questions, feel free to drop me an email.

On Jan 31, 2021, at 9:14 AM, lali <l2belteki@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear All!


I need for my work outlook 365, but they are some messages, that are not shown correctly, it shown, that they were in one line. Can somehow make more accessible outlook? Or can I accepts invitations, which were sent from outlook with thunderbird?

Thanks!

Lali












Re: reporting of element with nvda + tab key

Gene
 

I doubt the problem has anything to do with the command and there is no such setting. You are probably on a web page where the underlying page isn't aligned properly withh browse mode. That happens on some sites. Try a number of sites.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:38 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] reporting of element with nvda + tab key

Hi guys


Say if I jump down to a heading on a web page you hear nvda speak it
out. But if I hit the nvda key + tab key it reports some thing else on
the screen and not the name of the heading I landed on.


I know I can route the focus to where the heading is butand have it
spoken out but if I hit the nvda key + tab key it reports something else.


I know before it would report the focused element it was on before I
just can not remember the setting or shortcut to fix the problem has any
one got a idea.


I know when I find out it is going up on the website just in case some
one else has the same problem like I mentioned.


Gene nz


reporting of element with nvda + tab key

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi guys


Say if I jump down to a heading on a web page you hear nvda speak it out. But if I hit the nvda key + tab key it reports some thing else on the screen and not the name of the heading I landed on.


I know I can route the focus to where the heading is butand have it spoken out but if I hit the nvda key + tab key it reports something else.


I know before it would report the focused element it was on before I just can not remember the setting or shortcut to fix the problem has any one got a idea.


I know when I find out it is going up on the website just in case some one else has the same problem like I mentioned.


Gene nz


Re: NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

Kerryn Gunness <k_gunness@...>
 


cool
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

Hi

The original problem was that the default browser had been changed to Chrome as you described.  This action does not change the default app for .htm and .html, so when NVDA user guide was opened, it still used Edge.

 

Cheers

Chris  

 

From: Kerryn Gunness via groups.io
Sent: 31 January 2021 11:25
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

 

hi

 

below is the user guide

 

 

to set default browser with win 10

 

1. open start menue, type default, you should hear default apps, press enter here

2. tab to web browser for example microsoft edge, press enter here

3. then tab again to choose google chrome for example and press enter

4. your default web browser will be set

 

copy the link above and paste it in chrome or just press enter on the link, when your default browser is set

 

kerryn

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Louise Pfau

Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 3:49 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

 

Hi.  I checked the settings for filetypes, and the htm and html files are set to open in Edge, and are mentioned as Edge files.  I can't find a filetype for Chrome, which is the browser that some web-based documentation (including the NVDA user guide) has opened in.  When I uninstalled Chrome, they opened in Internet Explorer.  I reinstalled Chrome, and the documentation went back to opening there.  I won't fiddle around with the filetypes without knowing what I'm doing.

Thanks,

Louise

 


Re: Making NVDA speak characters as they're typed

Kerryn Gunness <k_gunness@...>
 

try pressing nvda key and number 2 to tuggle this feature on the qwerty keyboard

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon W Parsons" <jonwparsons@charter.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 4:16 PM
Subject: [nvda] Making NVDA speak characters as they're typed


When typing in edit boxes, NVDA does not speak the characters I type
Even when typing in a text editor it does not speak as I type.
How can I make it speak as I type?


Re: edge and gmail

Gene
 

We'll see if others report the problem. Have you been successful at logging in with earlier versions of either program?

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] edge and gmail

No, second or third, I do have the latest update of edge though.

If I restart nvda it will work, and edge itself hasn't crashed but I do
need to restart nvda then edge will work as normal.



On 1/02/2021 1:09 pm, Gene wrote:
Is this the first time you have signed in to Google with Edge? I suspect that if this were a general problem, we would have heard quite a bit about it before now.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] edge and gmail

Hi.

Found this while checking email in gmail, nvda crashes at the sign screen.

I won't send the log to anyone unless someone wants it but it looks like
i accessible and uia having a war.











Re: edge and gmail

 

No, second or third, I do have the latest update of edge though.

If I restart nvda it will work, and edge itself hasn't crashed but I do need to restart nvda then edge will work as normal.

On 1/02/2021 1:09 pm, Gene wrote:
Is this the first time you have signed in to Google with Edge?  I suspect that if this were a general problem, we would have heard quite a bit about it before now.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] edge and gmail

Hi.

Found this while checking email in gmail, nvda crashes at the sign screen.

I won't send the log to anyone unless someone wants it but it looks like
i accessible and uia having a war.










Re: edge and gmail

Gene
 

Is this the first time you have signed in to Google with Edge? I suspect that if this were a general problem, we would have heard quite a bit about it before now.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] edge and gmail

Hi.

Found this while checking email in gmail, nvda crashes at the sign screen.

I won't send the log to anyone unless someone wants it but it looks like
i accessible and uia having a war.


edge and gmail

 

Hi.

Found this while checking email in gmail, nvda crashes at the sign screen.

I won't send the log to anyone unless someone wants it but it looks like i accessible and uia having a war.


Re: I think it's time to think about an add-on for Zara

 

On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 04:30 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Can you give a valid use case as to why such an add on might be needed if the app is hardly ever used?
-
And there is is, and legitimately is.

There is finite man/woman power out there, and a very great many add-ons come into existence as personal projects.

They seldom come into existence in response to requests for same from single users (unless they write them) or very small groups using obscure software.

Still, Sarah nails it with, "Your message is not specific enough for us to help troubleshoot."  There at least exists the potential that a number of things that you believe are not accessible might be, or there might be workarounds to make them kinda-sorta accessible.  Details about what you're trying to do, how you're trying to do it, what you expect to happen, and what is happening is absolutely necessary.  It would have to be provided to an add-on writer, too, if things are actually inaccessible that an add-on could make so.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: I think it's time to think about an add-on for Zara

Sarah k Alawami
 

Can you give a valid use case as to why such an add on might be needed if the app is hardly ever used? I don't even use it. In fact, I've never even heard of it. What are you having trouble with? What don't you like? Your message is not specific enough for us to help troubleshoot.

Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 12:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] I think it's time to think about an add-on for Zara

Hi,
Perhaps this topic isn't for the entire list but rather for developers only, but I do think it's time to consider developing an NVDA add-on for Zara Radio, as nobody seems to know quite how to help me use it fully, though now I'm just playing around with features of the program I may never use anyway. There are a few things about it I'd like to see changed though that I can't access right now.
Bob


Re: I think it's time to think about an add-on for Zara

Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
 

I should mention that per our discussion last month, I did email them
again, but only on Thursday evening, and haven't got a response yet. I
also posted on two different radio boards with no luck on workarounds.
It looks like some of its features can be accessed from the command
line, but there's no documentation about what can be done or how to do
it that I can find. It says playlists can execute bat and EXE files,
but I have no idea what the purpose of such executions would be. Also,
how many of you use break notes in Station Playlist, and how
accessible are they there? It looks like Zara can do something similar
by adding a text file to the playlist, but NVDA doesn't read anything
when that comes up.

On 1/31/21, Bob Cavanaugh via groups.io <cavbob1993=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi,
Perhaps this topic isn't for the entire list but rather for developers
only, but I do think it's time to consider developing an NVDA add-on
for Zara Radio, as nobody seems to know quite how to help me use it
fully, though now I'm just playing around with features of the program
I may never use anyway. There are a few things about it I'd like to
see changed though that I can't access right now.
Bob






I think it's time to think about an add-on for Zara

Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
 

Hi,
Perhaps this topic isn't for the entire list but rather for developers
only, but I do think it's time to consider developing an NVDA add-on
for Zara Radio, as nobody seems to know quite how to help me use it
fully, though now I'm just playing around with features of the program
I may never use anyway. There are a few things about it I'd like to
see changed though that I can't access right now.
Bob


Re: Making NVDA speak characters as they're typed

Sarah k Alawami
 

Try nvda plus numrow two. It is a toggle.

Hope this helps a bit.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jon W Parsons
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 12:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Making NVDA speak characters as they're typed

When typing in edit boxes, NVDA does not speak the characters I type Even when typing in a text editor it does not speak as I type.
How can I make it speak as I type?


Re: outlook 365

 

On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 03:30 PM, Gene wrote:
I may want to see what is around the links.
-
I guess it all comes down to what one is looking to get and how one wishes to get it.

I'm generally either in "reader mode," where elements are irrelevant but text is, or vice versa.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Accessible PDF Editor?

Clement Chou
 

Can anyone recommend one? Need it for editing / combining resumes and
cover letters. Thanks.


Re: outlook 365

 

Bob,

        Again, I'm not questioning anyone's personal preferences, just trying to get perspectives.  And I thank you for yours.

        I guess I'm "just the opposite" in terms of how I learned and how I approach things, regardless of screen reader.  I love the display elements options, regardless of specific implementation, as a way of both "cutting through the crap" and getting through certain types of content in the fastest (read: most efficient, in context) way possible.

         But there are times where actual page layout is important.

         The concept of the virtual cursor took me a very long time to wrap my head around, and I still prefer to use what NVDA calls Focus Highlight, or the equivalent in other screen readers, so that where I think I am and where I actually am is obvious to me.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: outlook 365

Gene
 

Since it is common to tab through links and controls or move by line, moving by link
using k is not necessarily convenient. I use k at times when tabbing doesn't work well on a page for some reason. But I often want to either tab or down arrow. I don't necessarily want to just see links. I may want to see what is around the links.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 1:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook 365

On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 01:39 PM, Gene wrote:
Now you will see every linkk displayed on its own line, and you will also see that on web pages where you may have seen more than one link on a line.-
Serious question: How is this better than either using the browsing shortcuts to jump from link to link (whether unvisited, visited, or agnostic of state) or using the elements list, with links being the chosen element?

I've not ever had a situation, whether in e-mail messages or web pages, where one, the other, or both have not worked.

What one chooses to turn on or off as far as settings is an entirely personal choice, so I'm not questioning that. I'd just like to understand your reasoning as to this being better.

--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

~ Brian Vogel

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