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Re: Welcome to NVDA 2018: get ready to browse the web

Mário Navarro
 



Hello Joseph.

great work!
 Thank you good friend.
long life to Joseph Lee.
Cheers.


Às 17:19 de 02/01/2018, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Ladies and gentlemen,

 

The next part in Welcome to NVDA 2018 tutorials set is now up on www.josephsl.net. This part concerns basic web browsing concepts and commands and completes the basics set in this series (and the first half of this set).

 

Changes from 2015:

 

  • Completely redone with new examples and with use of Windows OneCore voices.
  • Microsoft Edge (Windows 10 Version 1709) and Mozilla Firefox (version 58 beta) were used (see below for explanations). For the most part, Edge is used, but for some things, Firefox is better.
  • Added a dedicated section on screen layout.
  • Added an actual example of partially turning off browse mode (single letter navigation on/off) in web applications, specifically for embedded video player on YouTube website.
  • Changes to first letter navigation sections, including reduced coverage for embedded objects (it was a dedicated section in 2015, but now one of the elements in 2018), long descriptions now part of graphics, and a comment on ability to move to read-only edit fields. Differences between web browsers and support for elements is also highlighted.
  • Added coverage for the following elements and first letter commands: annotations (A), spelling errors (W). They won’t work on web browsers but will work while browse mode is engaged in Microsoft Word.
  • Added a dedicated section on refreshing web content.
  • Elements list has been expanded to cover new elements not only for web browsing (including the new form fields and buttons options), but also for Microsoft Word (comments and spelling errors) and Microsoft Excel (charts, formulas, cell comments and sheets). Element activation and movement examples are based on form fields.
  • Examples of live regions are showcased.
  • Added a segment on interacting with online math content (requires properly formatted MathML content and installation of MathPlayer from Design Science).

 

Again each topic is its own mp3 file. Combined, they run for over two hours, with the tour of first letter navigation commands taking 65 minutes to traverse (spread over two segments). Because of the length of this part, I didn’t have time to demonstrate reading PDF files in Microsoft Edge nor dealing with a more realistic web application (I wanted to use Google Docs for this but it didn’t work out in the end due to time and complexity involved).

 

A bit of explanation as to why I used two web browsers: I did it for three important reasons:

 

  1. To highlight latest developments in web browsing and how far browsers have come.
  2. To demonstrate the fact that different web browsers display the same website differently.
  3. To showcase what works and doesn’t work for each browser, mostly to highlight strengths and current limitations with Microsoft Edge.

 

Enjoy the tutorials. As always, feedback is appreciated.

Cheers,

Joseph



Re: What do we like for a media player besides Winamp?

John Isige
 

I'm considering it. The only thing I don't like is that it seems to use
the alphanumeric keys for typing, no matter where it is, which doesn't
make a lot of sense to me. That means you can't really use them to do
shortcuts. The typical thing I've seen people use instead are the
function keys, but my laptop's weird about those. It's a definite
possibility though, yeah.

On 1/5/2018 1:31, Stephen wrote:
what about foobar2000.  The last time I tried it, it was quite
accessible, it might take a little getting used to though, but you can
easily assign your own shortcut keys.
Cheers.


Re: What do we like for a media player besides Winamp?

Stephen
 

what about foobar2000. The last time I tried it, it was quite accessible, it might take a little getting used to though, but you can easily assign your own shortcut keys.
Cheers.

At 06:25 PM 1/5/2018, you wrote:
Hi all. I'm looking for a Winamp replacement, since it keeps crashing, apparently the amount of music I have is just too much for it. I like Winamp's minimal interface. I don't have to tab all over the place to get to things, I don't have to hit weird alt function key combinations, stuff like that. I loathe iTunes, in case anybody wants to suggest it. Also, I'm looking for something modern, or at least maintained, so please don't start telling me about how if you find just the right website, you can download a version of Windows Media Player from twelve ears ago that's awesome!


I tried playing with Groove a bit. It works, but there seems to be no keyboard shortcuts to speak of, at least not that I saw, and it was tab central through a bunch of stuff I don't really care about. But maybe I just need to learn it better. I organize my own music, so other than pointing it at a folder and letting it go on random or shuffle or whatever, I don't think I need an organizer. I thought of VLC but I'm not sure if that has enough control or accessibility, though I gather you can make whatever keyboard shortcuts for it you want, so it's a possibility.


If anybody's got recommendations, I'd surely appreciate some. I'd keep using Winamp, but apparently 200 plus GB of music is the point at which Winamp throws up its hands and runs away to hide in a closet. So I guess it's time to use something else, which is too bad, because I still dig Winamp.



What do we like for a media player besides Winamp?

John Isige
 

Hi all. I'm looking for a Winamp replacement, since it keeps crashing, apparently the amount of music I have is just too much for it. I like Winamp's minimal interface. I don't have to tab all over the place to get to things, I don't have to hit weird alt function key combinations, stuff like that. I loathe iTunes, in case anybody wants to suggest it. Also, I'm looking for something modern, or at least maintained, so please don't start telling me about how if you find just the right website, you can download a version of Windows Media Player from twelve ears ago that's awesome!


I tried playing with Groove a bit. It works, but there seems to be no keyboard shortcuts to speak of, at least not that I saw, and it was tab central through a bunch of stuff I don't really care about. But maybe I just need to learn it better. I organize my own music, so other than pointing it at a folder and letting it go on random or shuffle or whatever, I don't think I need an organizer. I thought of VLC but I'm not sure if that has enough control or accessibility, though I gather you can make whatever keyboard shortcuts for it you want, so it's a possibility.


If anybody's got recommendations, I'd surely appreciate some. I'd keep using Winamp, but apparently 200 plus GB of music is the point at which Winamp throws up its hands and runs away to hide in a closet. So I guess it's time to use something else, which is too bad, because I still dig Winamp.


Re: Latest Firefox is extremely slow

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Older versions of firefox don't work with windows 10. Try the portable version.

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Latest Firefox is extremely slow

Suggest 52 ESR as security update are available for that one, not the others up to 56.

This is one reason why I do not agree with Joseph about using 58 in his tutorials. In real world situations they have not yet fixed the access issues to make it as nippy as the old version was.
Shame they needed to go down this road. They could easily keep the old version and do security fixes for some years if they wanted to.
Brian

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From: "Edhoari Setiyoso" <edhoari.s@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 6:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Latest Firefox is extremely slow


Hi,

Fallback to FF version 53 seems do the trick. Will try update to latest
version just before Quantum

Thanks for your help

Edhoari Setiyoso
edhoari <dot> s [at] gmail <dot> com

On 04-Jan-18 12:49 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
The situation has improved somewhat in Firefox 58 and later, which NVDA
2018.1 will support (you can still use FF58 with NVDA 2017.4).
Cheers,
oseph

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Edhoari Setiyoso
Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 9:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Latest Firefox is extremely slow

Hi All,

I tried Firefox for couple of weeks now and it feels so sluggish. I think
it began with Firefox Quantum, Unfortunately the solution that I found in
the mozilla forum is to prevent access for accessibility, effectively
rendering it useless with NVDA. Does anyone here has another solution?

Best Regards

--
Edhoari Setiyoso
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nvda doesn't recognize cursor in rumba emulator

Alexandre Alves Toco
 

Hi all!

Rumba is a mainframe emulator. Now we have some jaws’s scripts to it and I am studying the possibility to write na addon for nvda. But nvda doesn’t recognize the cursor.

In Jaws, there is a set of parameters such as size, blinking rate, etc. But I didn’t find this in nvda.

If I were to write a script, where I should begin to make nvda to recognize the cursor?

 

Regards

Enviado do Email para Windows 10

 


Re: How to change the column into Date , not time in Thunderbird

Robert Mendoza
 

Also, I would like to add. Yes, I know what you meant for. However, I am talking here is that an email that hasn't yet open, to where a list of columns was displayed such as correspondents, subject, etc.  If you test this by navigating each column you will see what I am discussing about. Smile.

Robert Mendoza

On 1/5/2018 8:44 AM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
Let me clarify so that were in the same page here. I am currently using Thunderbird Version 52.5.2 , and NVDA version master-14774,0d94f5dd
I looked around but, it does not tell the date. As for alternate test, I disable all the addons but again, the column supposedly date is just time. that is announced by nvda. Prior to the update I have seen this but, after the security patch update it changed the behavior. Not sure what is the exact of causing of this. Perhaps, some could able to replicate this as well. Thanks.

Robert Mendoza

On 1/5/2018 7:44 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
If you check the date of a yesterday message, it will say, by instance:
03/01/2018 11:07

Regards,

Rui Fontes


Às 22:30 de 04/01/2018, Robert Mendoza escreveu:
Subject line is intended to change to focus rather in the concern in Thunderbird. Thanks for clarification. But, is there a way Thunderbird display the date instead of time. The reason why I am asking this for time being it would be significantly useful to check sometimes the date you received the certain mail. Though, this is not to be with the addons so to speak. Maybe I just overlooked on how to alter this in Thunderbird or, perhaps someone here could shed some ideas here.

Robert Mendoza

On 1/5/2018 1:00 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
It will announce what is in the date column.
In the messages received on the current day, Thunderbird only display time...

Rui


Às 02:16 de 04/01/2018, Robert Mendoza escreveu:
I tested this and it works well. However, in Thunderbird when I pressed control+ shift + 6 it announces only the time, not the date. Also, like to ask if we could customize the date format settings as well.

Robert Mendoza

On 1/4/2018 9:20 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi Mozilla fans,

A brand new add-on named Mozilla Apps Enhancements by Javi Dominguez is now up. This adds useful keyboard commands for Firefox and Thunderbird.

Details can be found at:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/mozillaScripts.en.html

Enjoy.

Cheers,

Joseph





Re: How to change the column into Date , not time in Thunderbird

Robert Mendoza
 

Let me clarify so that were in the same page here. I am currently using Thunderbird Version 52.5.2 , and NVDA version master-14774,0d94f5dd
I looked around but, it does not tell the date. As for alternate test, I disable all the addons but again, the column supposedly date is just time. that is announced by nvda. Prior to the update I have seen this but, after the security patch update it changed the behavior. Not sure what is the exact of causing of this. Perhaps, some could able to replicate this as well. Thanks.

Robert Mendoza

On 1/5/2018 7:44 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
If you check the date of a yesterday message, it will say, by instance:
03/01/2018 11:07

Regards,

Rui Fontes


Às 22:30 de 04/01/2018, Robert Mendoza escreveu:
Subject line is intended to change to focus rather in the concern in Thunderbird. Thanks for clarification. But, is there a way Thunderbird display the date instead of time. The reason why I am asking this for time being it would be significantly useful to check sometimes the date you received the certain mail. Though, this is not to be with the addons so to speak. Maybe I just overlooked on how to alter this in Thunderbird or, perhaps someone here could shed some ideas here.

Robert Mendoza

On 1/5/2018 1:00 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
It will announce what is in the date column.
In the messages received on the current day, Thunderbird only display time...

Rui


Às 02:16 de 04/01/2018, Robert Mendoza escreveu:
I tested this and it works well. However, in Thunderbird when I pressed control+ shift + 6 it announces only the time, not the date. Also, like to ask if we could customize the date format settings as well.

Robert Mendoza

On 1/4/2018 9:20 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi Mozilla fans,

A brand new add-on named Mozilla Apps Enhancements by Javi Dominguez is now up. This adds useful keyboard commands for Firefox and Thunderbird.

Details can be found at:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/mozillaScripts.en.html

Enjoy.

Cheers,

Joseph





Re: How to change the column into Date , not time in Thunderbird

Rui Fontes
 

If you check the date of a yesterday message, it will say, by instance:
03/01/2018 11:07

Regards,

Rui Fontes


Às 22:30 de 04/01/2018, Robert Mendoza escreveu:

Subject line is intended to change to focus rather in the concern in Thunderbird. Thanks for clarification. But, is there a way Thunderbird display the date instead of time. The reason why I am asking this for time being it would be significantly useful to check sometimes the date you received the certain mail. Though, this is not to be with the addons so to speak. Maybe I just overlooked on how to alter this in Thunderbird or, perhaps someone here could shed some ideas here.
Robert Mendoza
On 1/5/2018 1:00 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
It will announce what is in the date column.
In the messages received on the current day, Thunderbird only display time...

Rui


Às 02:16 de 04/01/2018, Robert Mendoza escreveu:
I tested this and it works well. However, in Thunderbird when I pressed control+ shift + 6 it announces only the time, not the date. Also, like to ask if we could customize the date format settings as well.

Robert Mendoza

On 1/4/2018 9:20 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi Mozilla fans,

A brand new add-on named Mozilla Apps Enhancements by Javi Dominguez is now up. This adds useful keyboard commands for Firefox and Thunderbird.

Details can be found at:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/mozillaScripts.en.html

Enjoy.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Error pressing windows key, windows7 pro, las nvda next

Ângelo Abrantes
 

Thanks.


Às 23:05 de 04-01-2018, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,
Ah, so this confirms my suspicion. Will forward your log output.
Technical: an oversight from a developer, I'd say. Fixing this may take a little while (a day or two) because we don't want to introduce more regressions like this.
Cheers,
Joseph

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ângelo Abrantes
Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2018 3:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error pressing windows key, windows7 pro, las nvda next

he,

no, this did not happen with previous next snapshots. Only with today's actualization.

Cheers.

Ângelo Abramtes


Às 22:55 de 04-01-2018, Joseph Lee escreveu:
Hi,
And this did not happen with previous next snapshots? If so, I'll forward your log to NV Access for further investigation.
Cheers,
Joseph

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Ângelo Abrantes
Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2018 2:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error pressing windows key, windows7 pro, las nvda
next

He,

Normal next branche, last version, with windows7 pro.

Cheers.

Ângelo Abrantes


Às 21:21 de 04-01-2018, Joseph Lee escreveu:
Hi,
Which branch is this?
Cheers,
Joseph

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Ângelo Abrantes
Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2018 1:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Error pressing windows key, windows7 pro, las nvda
next

He,


When I press windows key, I get the folloing error, with the last NVDA next:


"Speaking [u'Menu Iniciar']
IO - speech.speak (21:12:00.042):
Speaking [u'Caixa de Pesquisa edi\xe7\xe3o Procurar programas e ficheiros'] ERROR - eventHandler.executeEvent (21:12:00.062):
error executing event: gainFocus on
<NVDAObjects.Dynamic_EditableTextWithoutAutoSelectDetectionUIA object
at
0x05DFBEF0> with extra args of {}
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 152, in executeEvent
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 92, in __init__
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 100, in next
File
"C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\remote\globalPlugins\rem
o
teClient\__init__.py",
line 410, in event_gainFocus
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 100, in next
File "appModules\explorer.pyc", line 280, in event_gainFocus
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 100, in next
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 951, in event_gainFocus
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 839, in reportFocus
File "speech.pyc", line 396, in speakObject
File "speech.pyc", line 752, in speakTextInfo
File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 621, in getTextWithFields
File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 611, in _getTextWithFieldsForUIARange
File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 446, in _getTextWithFields_text
File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 241, in
_getFormatFieldAtRange
UnboundLocalError: local variable 'fetchAnnotationTypes' referenced before assignment "


Cheers.

Ângelo Abrantes


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Re: Error pressing windows key, windows7 pro, las nvda next

 

Hi,
Ah, so this confirms my suspicion. Will forward your log output.
Technical: an oversight from a developer, I'd say. Fixing this may take a little while (a day or two) because we don't want to introduce more regressions like this.
Cheers,
Joseph

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ângelo Abrantes
Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2018 3:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error pressing windows key, windows7 pro, las nvda next

he,

no, this did not happen with previous next snapshots. Only with today's actualization.

Cheers.

Ângelo Abramtes


Às 22:55 de 04-01-2018, Joseph Lee escreveu:
Hi,
And this did not happen with previous next snapshots? If so, I'll forward your log to NV Access for further investigation.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Ângelo Abrantes
Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2018 2:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error pressing windows key, windows7 pro, las nvda
next

He,

Normal next branche, last version, with windows7 pro.

Cheers.

Ângelo Abrantes


Às 21:21 de 04-01-2018, Joseph Lee escreveu:
Hi,
Which branch is this?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Ângelo Abrantes
Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2018 1:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Error pressing windows key, windows7 pro, las nvda
next

He,


When I press windows key, I get the folloing error, with the last NVDA next:


"Speaking [u'Menu Iniciar']
IO - speech.speak (21:12:00.042):
Speaking [u'Caixa de Pesquisa edi\xe7\xe3o Procurar programas e ficheiros'] ERROR - eventHandler.executeEvent (21:12:00.062):
error executing event: gainFocus on
<NVDAObjects.Dynamic_EditableTextWithoutAutoSelectDetectionUIA object
at
0x05DFBEF0> with extra args of {}
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 152, in executeEvent
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 92, in __init__
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 100, in next
File
"C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\remote\globalPlugins\rem
o
teClient\__init__.py",
line 410, in event_gainFocus
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 100, in next
File "appModules\explorer.pyc", line 280, in event_gainFocus
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 100, in next
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 951, in event_gainFocus
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 839, in reportFocus
File "speech.pyc", line 396, in speakObject
File "speech.pyc", line 752, in speakTextInfo
File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 621, in getTextWithFields
File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 611, in _getTextWithFieldsForUIARange
File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 446, in _getTextWithFields_text
File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 241, in
_getFormatFieldAtRange
UnboundLocalError: local variable 'fetchAnnotationTypes' referenced before assignment "


Cheers.

Ângelo Abrantes


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Re: Error pressing windows key, windows7 pro, las nvda next

Ângelo Abrantes
 

he,

no, this did not happen with previous next snapshots. Only with today's actualization.

Cheers.

Ângelo Abramtes


Às 22:55 de 04-01-2018, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,
And this did not happen with previous next snapshots? If so, I'll forward your log to NV Access for further investigation.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ângelo Abrantes
Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2018 2:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error pressing windows key, windows7 pro, las nvda next

He,

Normal next branche, last version, with windows7 pro.

Cheers.

Ângelo Abrantes


Às 21:21 de 04-01-2018, Joseph Lee escreveu:
Hi,
Which branch is this?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Ângelo Abrantes
Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2018 1:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Error pressing windows key, windows7 pro, las nvda
next

He,


When I press windows key, I get the folloing error, with the last NVDA next:


"Speaking [u'Menu Iniciar']
IO - speech.speak (21:12:00.042):
Speaking [u'Caixa de Pesquisa edi\xe7\xe3o Procurar programas e ficheiros'] ERROR - eventHandler.executeEvent (21:12:00.062):
error executing event: gainFocus on
<NVDAObjects.Dynamic_EditableTextWithoutAutoSelectDetectionUIA object
at
0x05DFBEF0> with extra args of {}
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 152, in executeEvent
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 92, in __init__
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 100, in next
File
"C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\remote\globalPlugins\remo
teClient\__init__.py",
line 410, in event_gainFocus
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 100, in next
File "appModules\explorer.pyc", line 280, in event_gainFocus
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 100, in next
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 951, in event_gainFocus
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 839, in reportFocus
File "speech.pyc", line 396, in speakObject
File "speech.pyc", line 752, in speakTextInfo
File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 621, in getTextWithFields
File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 611, in _getTextWithFieldsForUIARange
File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 446, in _getTextWithFields_text
File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 241, in
_getFormatFieldAtRange
UnboundLocalError: local variable 'fetchAnnotationTypes' referenced before assignment "


Cheers.

Ângelo Abrantes


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Re: Error pressing windows key, windows7 pro, las nvda next

 

Hi,
And this did not happen with previous next snapshots? If so, I'll forward your log to NV Access for further investigation.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ângelo Abrantes
Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2018 2:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error pressing windows key, windows7 pro, las nvda next

He,

Normal next branche, last version, with windows7 pro.

Cheers.

Ângelo Abrantes


Às 21:21 de 04-01-2018, Joseph Lee escreveu:
Hi,
Which branch is this?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Ângelo Abrantes
Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2018 1:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Error pressing windows key, windows7 pro, las nvda
next

He,


When I press windows key, I get the folloing error, with the last NVDA next:


"Speaking [u'Menu Iniciar']
IO - speech.speak (21:12:00.042):
Speaking [u'Caixa de Pesquisa edi\xe7\xe3o Procurar programas e ficheiros'] ERROR - eventHandler.executeEvent (21:12:00.062):
error executing event: gainFocus on
<NVDAObjects.Dynamic_EditableTextWithoutAutoSelectDetectionUIA object
at
0x05DFBEF0> with extra args of {}
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 152, in executeEvent
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 92, in __init__
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 100, in next
File
"C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\remote\globalPlugins\remo
teClient\__init__.py",
line 410, in event_gainFocus
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 100, in next
File "appModules\explorer.pyc", line 280, in event_gainFocus
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 100, in next
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 951, in event_gainFocus
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 839, in reportFocus
File "speech.pyc", line 396, in speakObject
File "speech.pyc", line 752, in speakTextInfo
File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 621, in getTextWithFields
File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 611, in _getTextWithFieldsForUIARange
File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 446, in _getTextWithFields_text
File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 241, in
_getFormatFieldAtRange
UnboundLocalError: local variable 'fetchAnnotationTypes' referenced before assignment "


Cheers.

Ângelo Abrantes


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Re: Error pressing windows key, windows7 pro, las nvda next

Ângelo Abrantes
 

He,

Normal next branche, last version, with windows7 pro.

Cheers.

Ângelo Abrantes


Às 21:21 de 04-01-2018, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,
Which branch is this?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ângelo Abrantes
Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2018 1:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Error pressing windows key, windows7 pro, las nvda next

He,


When I press windows key, I get the folloing error, with the last NVDA next:


"Speaking [u'Menu Iniciar']
IO - speech.speak (21:12:00.042):
Speaking [u'Caixa de Pesquisa edi\xe7\xe3o Procurar programas e ficheiros'] ERROR - eventHandler.executeEvent (21:12:00.062):
error executing event: gainFocus on
<NVDAObjects.Dynamic_EditableTextWithoutAutoSelectDetectionUIA object at
0x05DFBEF0> with extra args of {}
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 152, in executeEvent
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 92, in __init__
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 100, in next
File
"C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\remote\globalPlugins\remoteClient\__init__.py",
line 410, in event_gainFocus
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 100, in next
File "appModules\explorer.pyc", line 280, in event_gainFocus
File "eventHandler.pyc", line 100, in next
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 951, in event_gainFocus
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 839, in reportFocus
File "speech.pyc", line 396, in speakObject
File "speech.pyc", line 752, in speakTextInfo
File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 621, in getTextWithFields
File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 611, in _getTextWithFieldsForUIARange
File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 446, in _getTextWithFields_text
File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 241, in _getFormatFieldAtRange
UnboundLocalError: local variable 'fetchAnnotationTypes' referenced before assignment "


Cheers.

Ângelo Abrantes


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Re: Latest Firefox is extremely slow

Lino Morales
 

Yeah Sean has been indeed highly critical. I've been looking at it with an open mind. I've fulled with 57, 58 betas, and 59 Nightly and let me tell you I've seen vast improvements mainly in 58's beta cycle. Some folks don't like looking things with an open mind. I read said post from Mozilla you did Gene.


On 1/4/2018 5:30 PM, Gene wrote:
I should add that I wasn't responding to Andy, although his post is below mine.  I was responding to Brian and Shaun, who have been unrelentingly critical of what Mozilla is doing.  We now have two posts today about significant improvements in version 58 of Firefox.
 
Gene 
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Latest Firefox is extremely slow

Amazing how a legitimate course of action by Mozilla generates such endless negative comments.  Also, what is going on is about much more than security.  Did anyone who is sending all these negative comments read the blog about this that reproduced a message from Mozilla about two months ago?  It explained in detail, that as web sites become increasingly interactive, the old ways of presenting web pages will be increasingly inadequate and that is one reason they are making the changes. 
 
The blog entry also said that it is the goal of Mozilla to restore speed to its previous level as work continues on the browser and we have seen a message today saying that speed is a good deal better in version 58. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Andy
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Latest Firefox is extremely slow

Or Google Chrome.

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 2:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Latest Firefox is extremely slow


>I am done with mozilla..
>
> If they say that screen readers are the problem I will use water fox which
> as all the stuff I need.
>
> True it will eventually use outdated addons but so what.
>
> With this new processer bug fix, I suspect firefox will be even worse.
>
>
>
>
> On 4/01/2018 10:41 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
>> Incidentally 57 latest still completely fails in my windows 7, so I'm
>> back on 52 esr. Maybe by the time they get to version 60 ythey might get
>> it torun on windows 7. Ahem.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal email to:-
>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 6:09 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Latest Firefox is extremely slow
>>
>>
>>> Hi Group,
>>>
>>>
>>> I have the latest 57 version, I think its 5 or 6 as in 57.005 or 57.006
>>> and I don't see this sluggishness.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/4/2018 12:47 AM, Lino Morales wrote:
>>>> Yes. Run the version 52 ESR or simply wait till V 58 comes out.
>>>> Download 58 beta build 13 also if you'd like. That's what I'm running
>>>> now. Its not as slow as V577.3.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 1/4/2018 12:34 AM, Edhoari Setiyoso wrote:
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> I tried Firefox for couple of weeks now and it feels so sluggish. I
>>>>> think it began with Firefox Quantum, Unfortunately the solution that I
>>>>> found in the mozilla forum is to prevent access for accessibility,
>>>>> effectively rendering it useless with NVDA. Does anyone here has
>>>>> another solution?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
>>> They ask: "How Happy are You?"
>>> I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> .
>>
>
>
>
>





How to change the column into Date , not time in Thunderbird

Robert Mendoza
 

Subject line is intended to change to focus rather in the concern in Thunderbird. Thanks for clarification. But, is there a way Thunderbird display the date instead of time. The reason why I am asking this for time being it would be significantly useful to check sometimes the date you received the certain mail. Though, this is not to be with the addons so to speak. Maybe I just overlooked on how to alter this in Thunderbird or, perhaps someone here could shed some ideas here.

Robert Mendoza

On 1/5/2018 1:00 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
It will announce what is in the date column.
In the messages received on the current day, Thunderbird only display time...

Rui


Às 02:16 de 04/01/2018, Robert Mendoza escreveu:
I tested this and it works well. However, in Thunderbird when I pressed control+ shift + 6 it announces only the time, not the date. Also, like to ask if we could customize the date format settings as well.

Robert Mendoza

On 1/4/2018 9:20 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi Mozilla fans,

A brand new add-on named Mozilla Apps Enhancements by Javi Dominguez is now up. This adds useful keyboard commands for Firefox and Thunderbird.

Details can be found at:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/mozillaScripts.en.html

Enjoy.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Latest Firefox is extremely slow

Gene
 

I should add that I wasn't responding to Andy, although his post is below mine.  I was responding to Brian and Shaun, who have been unrelentingly critical of what Mozilla is doing.  We now have two posts today about significant improvements in version 58 of Firefox.
 
Gene 

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Latest Firefox is extremely slow

Amazing how a legitimate course of action by Mozilla generates such endless negative comments.  Also, what is going on is about much more than security.  Did anyone who is sending all these negative comments read the blog about this that reproduced a message from Mozilla about two months ago?  It explained in detail, that as web sites become increasingly interactive, the old ways of presenting web pages will be increasingly inadequate and that is one reason they are making the changes. 
 
The blog entry also said that it is the goal of Mozilla to restore speed to its previous level as work continues on the browser and we have seen a message today saying that speed is a good deal better in version 58. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Andy
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Latest Firefox is extremely slow

Or Google Chrome.

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 2:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Latest Firefox is extremely slow


>I am done with mozilla..
>
> If they say that screen readers are the problem I will use water fox which
> as all the stuff I need.
>
> True it will eventually use outdated addons but so what.
>
> With this new processer bug fix, I suspect firefox will be even worse.
>
>
>
>
> On 4/01/2018 10:41 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
>> Incidentally 57 latest still completely fails in my windows 7, so I'm
>> back on 52 esr. Maybe by the time they get to version 60 ythey might get
>> it torun on windows 7. Ahem.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal email to:-
>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 6:09 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Latest Firefox is extremely slow
>>
>>
>>> Hi Group,
>>>
>>>
>>> I have the latest 57 version, I think its 5 or 6 as in 57.005 or 57.006
>>> and I don't see this sluggishness.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/4/2018 12:47 AM, Lino Morales wrote:
>>>> Yes. Run the version 52 ESR or simply wait till V 58 comes out.
>>>> Download 58 beta build 13 also if you'd like. That's what I'm running
>>>> now. Its not as slow as V577.3.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 1/4/2018 12:34 AM, Edhoari Setiyoso wrote:
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> I tried Firefox for couple of weeks now and it feels so sluggish. I
>>>>> think it began with Firefox Quantum, Unfortunately the solution that I
>>>>> found in the mozilla forum is to prevent access for accessibility,
>>>>> effectively rendering it useless with NVDA. Does anyone here has
>>>>> another solution?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
>>> They ask: "How Happy are You?"
>>> I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> .
>>
>
>
>
>




Re: Latest Firefox is extremely slow

Gene
 

Amazing how a legitimate course of action by Mozilla generates such endless negative comments.  Also, what is going on is about much more than security.  Did anyone who is sending all these negative comments read the blog about this that reproduced a message from Mozilla about two months ago?  It explained in detail, that as web sites become increasingly interactive, the old ways of presenting web pages will be increasingly inadequate and that is one reason they are making the changes. 
 
The blog entry also said that it is the goal of Mozilla to restore speed to its previous level as work continues on the browser and we have seen a message today saying that speed is a good deal better in version 58. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Andy
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Latest Firefox is extremely slow

Or Google Chrome.

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 2:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Latest Firefox is extremely slow


>I am done with mozilla..
>
> If they say that screen readers are the problem I will use water fox which
> as all the stuff I need.
>
> True it will eventually use outdated addons but so what.
>
> With this new processer bug fix, I suspect firefox will be even worse.
>
>
>
>
> On 4/01/2018 10:41 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
>> Incidentally 57 latest still completely fails in my windows 7, so I'm
>> back on 52 esr. Maybe by the time they get to version 60 ythey might get
>> it torun on windows 7. Ahem.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal email to:-
>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 6:09 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Latest Firefox is extremely slow
>>
>>
>>> Hi Group,
>>>
>>>
>>> I have the latest 57 version, I think its 5 or 6 as in 57.005 or 57.006
>>> and I don't see this sluggishness.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/4/2018 12:47 AM, Lino Morales wrote:
>>>> Yes. Run the version 52 ESR or simply wait till V 58 comes out.
>>>> Download 58 beta build 13 also if you'd like. That's what I'm running
>>>> now. Its not as slow as V577.3.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 1/4/2018 12:34 AM, Edhoari Setiyoso wrote:
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> I tried Firefox for couple of weeks now and it feels so sluggish. I
>>>>> think it began with Firefox Quantum, Unfortunately the solution that I
>>>>> found in the mozilla forum is to prevent access for accessibility,
>>>>> effectively rendering it useless with NVDA. Does anyone here has
>>>>> another solution?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
>>> They ask: "How Happy are You?"
>>> I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> .
>>
>
>
>
>




Re: windows patch for intels

 

Could effect amds to.

Could effect video cards to.

I have just update the nvidia drivers on the vid cards on one of the systems I am working on, but I may have to get that machine back and get whatever is the latest driver for the card and hope.

On 5/01/2018 2:00 a.m., Josh Kennedy wrote:
Hi
I have an AMD a6 quad core processor. So I won’t be getting this patch then? Right? I got laptops with AMD processors because they cost a lot less than intel and they run just as good. Also AMD processors are used for xBox game consoles so I figure they must be very good.

Josh


Sent from Mail for Windows 10


Re: Latest Firefox is extremely slow

Lino Morales
 

I think I'm seeing signs to what's to come. I just installed the master snapshot of NVDA and wow baby! Works in 58 beta 14 which came out today.

On 1/4/2018 4:46 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:
Hi Andy:

This information might not help you much, but it might change your
attitude about Firefox.

The latest episode of the Eyes On Success podcast features an
interview with Jamy Teh, who, as you know, was one of the guys who
originated NVDA, and he now works at Mozilla. As he points out in the
interview, Firefox version 57 is not where they would like it to be,
but he promises that the next version, 58 will show a substantial
improvement in the performance of Firefox.
Kevin Huber


On 1/4/18, Andy <wq6r@socal.rr.com> wrote:
Or Google Chrome.

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 2:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Latest Firefox is extremely slow


I am done with mozilla..

If they say that screen readers are the problem I will use water fox which

as all the stuff I need.

True it will eventually use outdated addons but so what.

With this new processer bug fix, I suspect firefox will be even worse.




On 4/01/2018 10:41 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Incidentally 57 latest still completely fails in my windows 7, so I'm
back on 52 esr. Maybe by the time they get to version 60 ythey might get

it torun on windows 7. Ahem.

Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 6:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Latest Firefox is extremely slow


Hi Group,


I have the latest 57 version, I think its 5 or 6 as in 57.005 or 57.006

and I don't see this sluggishness.



On 1/4/2018 12:47 AM, Lino Morales wrote:
Yes. Run the version 52 ESR or simply wait till V 58 comes out.
Download 58 beta build 13 also if you'd like. That's what I'm running
now. Its not as slow as V577.3.


On 1/4/2018 12:34 AM, Edhoari Setiyoso wrote:
Hi All,

I tried Firefox for couple of weeks now and it feels so sluggish. I
think it began with Firefox Quantum, Unfortunately the solution that I

found in the mozilla forum is to prevent access for accessibility,
effectively rendering it useless with NVDA. Does anyone here has
another solution?

Best Regards

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"




.