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Re: I'm dissappointed

mk360
 

2013.3.

El 23/12/2017 a las 20:29, Joseph Lee escribió:
Hi,
Hmmm, it is a recent addition (not long ago I believe). I think not a lot of people know that NVDA does have alternate say all like what JAWS has now, and I gave numerous demos in the past.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 3:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed

Sorry!
Never tested that way!

It is a very good feature not communicated to the users!

Rui


Às 23:21 de 23/12/2017, Gene escreveu:
I found the setting. I almost never do anything in that dialog and I
didn't know about it. You don't use left and right arrow, you use up
and down arrow, the same keys you would use normally to move up and
down a line.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Rui Fontes <mailto:rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
*Sent:* Saturday, December 23, 2017 5:16 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed

Joseph, I think she was refering to the possibility of pressing
LeftArrow or RightArrow to go back or forward one line, phrase or
paragraph during continuous reading...Unfortunately that is not yet
possible in NVDA...

Rui
Às 23:01 de 23/12/2017, Joseph Lee escreveu:
> Hi,
>
> One of them is already here. In fact, you’ll find it in NVDA’s
keyboard > settings dialog.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joseph
>
> *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of > *Mary Otten > *Sent:*
Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:58 PM > *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm
dissappointed > > I really agree with you about the inability to
move backwards or > forwards a line at a time when continuous reading
is invoked. I really > really miss that feature a lot coming from
window eyes as I have.
> Mary
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Dec 23, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com
<mailto:gsasner@ripco.com> > <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>> wrote:
>
> You can't label graphics, you can't create frames and there is
no > adjustment of the screen echo. There is also no way to skip
baqck > and forward by line when the screen echo is set to all or
when using > read to end and have speech continue. If these
abilities were > present, as far as I know, that would make NVDA as
user configurable > as JAWS and Window-eyes. These are important lacks in NVDA.
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:*Adriani Botez <mailto:adriani.botez@gmail.com> > >
*Sent:*Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:34 PM > >
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > >
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed > > This is not correct.
NVDA is well adjustable, even much easier than > jaws.
>
> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
>
>
> Am 23.12.2017 um 03:47 schrieb Gene <gsasner@ripco.com
<mailto:gsasner@ripco.com> > <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>>:
>
> You can't do what I could do when I used Pine with a shell
account a long time ago. I didn't need to create any frames
or > scripts. All I had to do was set the screen echo of
JAWS to > all, open a message, and then use the jaws skip
line wile > reading feature, right shift, to very quickly
jump to the start > of the message body. Even if NVDA reads
such material when it > appears on screen, you either listen
to everything or nothing > and use the tedious read by line
screen review option. Hardly a > convenient or reasonable way to go through thirty e-mails.
>
> Like it or not, NVDA isn't user definable. You can't label
graphics and you can't create frames. These are serious >
deficiencies even if many of us don't need such options.
>
> And you can't set the screen echo to all and then do what I
did, > as I described. This may be an important ability for some users.
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message ----- > >
*From:*coffeekingms@hotmail.com <mailto:coffeekingms@hotmail.com> >
*Sent:*Friday, December 22, 2017 7:16 PM > >
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > >
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed > > Hi > >
I concur. I firmly believe that NVDA can do most, if not all, >
the things more expensive programs can do. With some very rare >
exceptions. There are still some apps that require jfw with >
specific scripts to be usable, but as time goes on those apps >
will dwindle until there are none left. But for 99 percent of >
people, NVDA can work for them, either alone or in combination >
with narrator, which has gotten quite good. I don’t really set >
much store by such presentations, as the few I’ve bothered to >
listen to gloss over the free options as if they’re not there, >
are not worth mentioning or aren’t good enough. This applies to >
NVDA as well as open source operating systems like Linux. I have >
not listened to the presentation people are talking about, so I >
don’t want to ruffle any feathers, but as a rule I don’t listen >
to them. They tend to unilaterally insist that only the paid >
apps are worth using. Except for the NVDA podcasts. Those are >
great, although I don’t follow those either. I’m just a user. I >
use NVDA on a daily basis and have found very little that it >
can’t do. If it can’t navigate an app by the usual methods, tab, >
shift tab, arrows, then it can by either touch, if you have a >
touch screen or object navigation.Even when I was using Linux >
full time I would keep up with NVDA’s progress, and NVDA is what >
eventually brought me back to using windows again.
>
> Thanks
>
> Kendell Clark
>
> Sent from Mail
<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
> for Windows 10
>
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------
--
>
> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >
<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> on behalf of > Don H
<lmddh50@adams.net <mailto:lmddh50@adams.net>
<mailto:lmddh50@adams.net>> > *Sent:* Friday, December 22, 2017
6:18:54 PM > *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed > > I think that
NVDA is just as good or better than any other screen >
reader. I think the issue for businesses is the fact that NVDA >
is open > source thus in their minds less secure.
>
>
>
>





Re: I'm dissappointed

mk360
 

But is a old feature. Reading the "whats new" file it was introduced in NVDA 2013.3. Personally, I awaited for that feature for many time (as I comented in other mail, I started to use NVDA at about 0.5) and I used it on the snapshots first... I never understood why NVDA has it disabled by default, but is one think that I enable first when I install NVDA.


Regards,

mk.

El 23/12/2017 a las 20:26, Rui Fontes escribió:
Sorry!
Never tested that way!

It is a very good feature not communicated to the users!

Rui


Às 23:21 de 23/12/2017, Gene escreveu:
I found the setting.  I almost never do anything in that dialog and I didn't know about it.  You don't use left and right arrow, you use up and down arrow, the same keys you would use normally to move up and down a line.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Rui Fontes <mailto:rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
*Sent:* Saturday, December 23, 2017 5:16 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed

Joseph, I think she was refering to the possibility of pressing
LeftArrow or RightArrow to go back or forward one line, phrase or
paragraph during continuous reading...Unfortunately that is not yet
possible in NVDA...

Rui
Às 23:01 de 23/12/2017, Joseph Lee escreveu:
 > Hi,
 >
 > One of them is already here. In fact, you’ll find it in NVDA’s keyboard
 > settings dialog.
 >
 > Cheers,
 >
 > Joseph
 >
 > *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
 > *Mary Otten
 > *Sent:* Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:58 PM
 > *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
 > *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
 >
 > I really agree with you about the inability to move backwards or
 > forwards a line at a time when continuous reading is invoked. I really
 > really miss that feature a lot coming from window eyes as I have.
 > Mary
 >
 > Sent from my iPhone
 >
 >
 > On Dec 23, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>
 > <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>> wrote:
 >
 >     You can't label graphics, you can't create frames and there is no
 >     adjustment of the screen echo.  There is also no way to skip baqck
 >     and forward by line when the screen echo is set to all or when using
 >     read to end and have speech continue.  If these abilities were
 > present, as far as I know, that would make NVDA as user configurable
 >     as JAWS and Window-eyes. These are important lacks in NVDA.
 >
 > Gene
 >
 >     ----- Original Message -----
 >
 >     *From:*Adriani Botez <mailto:adriani.botez@gmail.com>
 >
 >     *Sent:*Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:34 PM
 >
 >     *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
 >
 >     *Subject:*Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
 >
 >     This is not correct. NVDA is well adjustable, even much easier than
 >     jaws.
 >
 >     Von meinem iPhone gesendet
 >
 >
 >     Am 23.12.2017 um 03:47 schrieb Gene <gsasner@ripco.com <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>
 > <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>>:
 >
 >         You can't do what I could do when I used Pine with a shell
 >         account a long time ago.  I didn't need to create any frames or
 >         scripts.  All I had to do was set the screen echo of JAWS to
 >         all, open a message, and then use the jaws skip line wile
 >         reading feature, right shift, to very quickly jump to the start
 >         of the message body.  Even if NVDA reads such material when it
 >         appears on screen, you either listen to everything or nothing
 >         and use the tedious read by line screen review option.  Hardly a
 >         convenient or reasonable way to go through thirty e-mails.
 >
 >         Like it or not, NVDA isn't user definable.  You can't label
 >         graphics and you can't create frames.  These are serious
 >         deficiencies even if many of us don't need such options.
 >
 >         And you can't set the screen echo to all and then do what I did,
 >         as I described.  This may be an important ability for some users.
 >
 >         Gene
 >
 >         ----- Original Message -----
 >
 > *From:*coffeekingms@hotmail.com <mailto:coffeekingms@hotmail.com>
 >
 >         *Sent:*Friday, December 22, 2017 7:16 PM
 >
 > *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
 >
 >         *Subject:*Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
 >
 >         Hi
 >
 >         I concur. I  firmly believe that NVDA can do most, if not all,
 >         the things more expensive programs can do. With some very rare
 >         exceptions. There are still some apps that require jfw with
 >         specific scripts to be usable, but as time goes on those apps
 >         will dwindle until there are none left. But for 99 percent of
 >         people, NVDA can work for them, either alone or in combination
 >         with narrator, which has gotten quite good. I don’t really set
 >         much store by such presentations, as the few I’ve bothered to
 >         listen to gloss over the free options as if they’re not there,
 >         are not worth mentioning or aren’t good enough. This applies to
 >         NVDA as well as open source operating systems like Linux. I have
 >         not listened to the presentation people are talking about, so I
 >         don’t want to ruffle any feathers, but as a rule I don’t listen
 >         to them. They tend to unilaterally insist that only the paid
 >         apps are worth using. Except for the NVDA podcasts. Those are
 >         great, although I don’t follow those either. I’m just a user. I
 >         use NVDA on a daily basis and have found very little that it
 >         can’t do. If it can’t navigate an app by the usual methods, tab,
 >         shift tab, arrows, then it can by either touch, if you have a
 >         touch screen or object navigation.Even when I was using Linux
 >         full time I would keep up with NVDA’s progress, and NVDA is what
 >         eventually brought me back to using windows again.
 >
 >         Thanks
 >
 >         Kendell Clark
 >
 >         Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
 > for Windows 10
 >
 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
 >
 > *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
 > <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> on behalf of
 >         Don H <lmddh50@adams.net <mailto:lmddh50@adams.net> <mailto:lmddh50@adams.net>>
 > *Sent:* Friday, December 22, 2017 6:18:54 PM
 >         *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
 > *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
 >
 >         I think that NVDA is just as good or better than any other screen
 >         reader.  I think the issue for businesses is the fact that NVDA
 >         is open
 >         source thus in their minds less secure.
 >
 >
 >
 >



Re: I'm dissappointed

mk360
 

It is superficial reading or similar ("permitir lectura superficial" in spanish). If you enable that setting, you can press down arrow or up arrow when you're reading with say all, also if you use commands lyke control down arrow or up arrow you can move by paragraph.

El 23/12/2017 a las 20:19, Mary Otten escribió:
Exactly correct. This feature is present in both window eyes and jaws. I hope it comes to NVDA very soon. It’s been around for a long time.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 23, 2017, at 3:16 PM, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com> wrote:

Joseph, I think she was refering to the possibility of pressing LeftArrow or RightArrow to go back or forward one line, phrase or paragraph during continuous reading...Unfortunately that is not yet possible in NVDA...

Rui
Às 23:01 de 23/12/2017, Joseph Lee escreveu:
Hi,
One of them is already here. In fact, you’ll find it in NVDA’s keyboard settings dialog.
Cheers,
Joseph
*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Mary Otten
*Sent:* Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:58 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
I really agree with you about the inability to move backwards or forwards a line at a time when continuous reading is invoked. I really really miss that feature a lot coming from window eyes as I have.
Mary
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 23, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>> wrote:
You can't label graphics, you can't create frames and there is no
adjustment of the screen echo. There is also no way to skip baqck
and forward by line when the screen echo is set to all or when using
read to end and have speech continue. If these abilities were
present, as far as I know, that would make NVDA as user configurable
as JAWS and Window-eyes. These are important lacks in NVDA.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:*Adriani Botez <mailto:adriani.botez@gmail.com>
*Sent:*Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:34 PM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
This is not correct. NVDA is well adjustable, even much easier than
jaws.
Von meinem iPhone gesendet
Am 23.12.2017 um 03:47 schrieb Gene <gsasner@ripco.com
<mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>>:
You can't do what I could do when I used Pine with a shell
account a long time ago. I didn't need to create any frames or
scripts. All I had to do was set the screen echo of JAWS to
all, open a message, and then use the jaws skip line wile
reading feature, right shift, to very quickly jump to the start
of the message body. Even if NVDA reads such material when it
appears on screen, you either listen to everything or nothing
and use the tedious read by line screen review option. Hardly a
convenient or reasonable way to go through thirty e-mails.
Like it or not, NVDA isn't user definable. You can't label
graphics and you can't create frames. These are serious
deficiencies even if many of us don't need such options.
And you can't set the screen echo to all and then do what I did,
as I described. This may be an important ability for some users.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:*coffeekingms@hotmail.com <mailto:coffeekingms@hotmail.com>
*Sent:*Friday, December 22, 2017 7:16 PM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
Hi
I concur. I firmly believe that NVDA can do most, if not all,
the things more expensive programs can do. With some very rare
exceptions. There are still some apps that require jfw with
specific scripts to be usable, but as time goes on those apps
will dwindle until there are none left. But for 99 percent of
people, NVDA can work for them, either alone or in combination
with narrator, which has gotten quite good. I don’t really set
much store by such presentations, as the few I’ve bothered to
listen to gloss over the free options as if they’re not there,
are not worth mentioning or aren’t good enough. This applies to
NVDA as well as open source operating systems like Linux. I have
not listened to the presentation people are talking about, so I
don’t want to ruffle any feathers, but as a rule I don’t listen
to them. They tend to unilaterally insist that only the paid
apps are worth using. Except for the NVDA podcasts. Those are
great, although I don’t follow those either. I’m just a user. I
use NVDA on a daily basis and have found very little that it
can’t do. If it can’t navigate an app by the usual methods, tab,
shift tab, arrows, then it can by either touch, if you have a
touch screen or object navigation.Even when I was using Linux
full time I would keep up with NVDA’s progress, and NVDA is what
eventually brought me back to using windows again.
Thanks
Kendell Clark
Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
for Windows 10
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> on behalf of
Don H <lmddh50@adams.net <mailto:lmddh50@adams.net>>
*Sent:* Friday, December 22, 2017 6:18:54 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
I think that NVDA is just as good or better than any other screen
reader. I think the issue for businesses is the fact that NVDA
is open
source thus in their minds less secure.


Re: I'm dissappointed

 

Hi,
All the foundations are here. The question then becomes, "who will do it". That's ultimately what will drive NVDA's development in majority of cases.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 3:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed

Exactly correct. This feature is present in both window eyes and jaws. I hope it comes to NVDA very soon. It’s been around for a long time.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 23, 2017, at 3:16 PM, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com> wrote:

Joseph, I think she was refering to the possibility of pressing LeftArrow or RightArrow to go back or forward one line, phrase or paragraph during continuous reading...Unfortunately that is not yet possible in NVDA...

Rui
Às 23:01 de 23/12/2017, Joseph Lee escreveu:
Hi,
One of them is already here. In fact, you’ll find it in NVDA’s keyboard settings dialog.
Cheers,
Joseph
*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf
Of *Mary Otten
*Sent:* Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:58 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed I really agree with you about
the inability to move backwards or forwards a line at a time when continuous reading is invoked. I really really miss that feature a lot coming from window eyes as I have.
Mary
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 23, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>> wrote:
You can't label graphics, you can't create frames and there is no
adjustment of the screen echo. There is also no way to skip baqck
and forward by line when the screen echo is set to all or when using
read to end and have speech continue. If these abilities were
present, as far as I know, that would make NVDA as user configurable
as JAWS and Window-eyes. These are important lacks in NVDA.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:*Adriani Botez <mailto:adriani.botez@gmail.com>
*Sent:*Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:34 PM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
This is not correct. NVDA is well adjustable, even much easier than
jaws.
Von meinem iPhone gesendet
Am 23.12.2017 um 03:47 schrieb Gene <gsasner@ripco.com
<mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>>:
You can't do what I could do when I used Pine with a shell
account a long time ago. I didn't need to create any frames or
scripts. All I had to do was set the screen echo of JAWS to
all, open a message, and then use the jaws skip line wile
reading feature, right shift, to very quickly jump to the start
of the message body. Even if NVDA reads such material when it
appears on screen, you either listen to everything or nothing
and use the tedious read by line screen review option. Hardly a
convenient or reasonable way to go through thirty e-mails.
Like it or not, NVDA isn't user definable. You can't label
graphics and you can't create frames. These are serious
deficiencies even if many of us don't need such options.
And you can't set the screen echo to all and then do what I did,
as I described. This may be an important ability for some users.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:*coffeekingms@hotmail.com <mailto:coffeekingms@hotmail.com>
*Sent:*Friday, December 22, 2017 7:16 PM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
Hi
I concur. I firmly believe that NVDA can do most, if not all,
the things more expensive programs can do. With some very rare
exceptions. There are still some apps that require jfw with
specific scripts to be usable, but as time goes on those apps
will dwindle until there are none left. But for 99 percent of
people, NVDA can work for them, either alone or in combination
with narrator, which has gotten quite good. I don’t really set
much store by such presentations, as the few I’ve bothered to
listen to gloss over the free options as if they’re not there,
are not worth mentioning or aren’t good enough. This applies to
NVDA as well as open source operating systems like Linux. I have
not listened to the presentation people are talking about, so I
don’t want to ruffle any feathers, but as a rule I don’t listen
to them. They tend to unilaterally insist that only the paid
apps are worth using. Except for the NVDA podcasts. Those are
great, although I don’t follow those either. I’m just a user. I
use NVDA on a daily basis and have found very little that it
can’t do. If it can’t navigate an app by the usual methods, tab,
shift tab, arrows, then it can by either touch, if you have a
touch screen or object navigation.Even when I was using Linux
full time I would keep up with NVDA’s progress, and NVDA is what
eventually brought me back to using windows again.
Thanks
Kendell Clark
Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
for Windows 10
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> on behalf of
Don H <lmddh50@adams.net <mailto:lmddh50@adams.net>>
*Sent:* Friday, December 22, 2017 6:18:54 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
I think that NVDA is just as good or better than any other screen
reader. I think the issue for businesses is the fact that NVDA
is open
source thus in their minds less secure.


Re: I'm dissappointed

 

Hi,
Hmmm, it is a recent addition (not long ago I believe). I think not a lot of people know that NVDA does have alternate say all like what JAWS has now, and I gave numerous demos in the past.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 3:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed

Sorry!
Never tested that way!

It is a very good feature not communicated to the users!

Rui


Às 23:21 de 23/12/2017, Gene escreveu:
I found the setting. I almost never do anything in that dialog and I
didn't know about it. You don't use left and right arrow, you use up
and down arrow, the same keys you would use normally to move up and
down a line.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Rui Fontes <mailto:rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
*Sent:* Saturday, December 23, 2017 5:16 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed

Joseph, I think she was refering to the possibility of pressing
LeftArrow or RightArrow to go back or forward one line, phrase or
paragraph during continuous reading...Unfortunately that is not yet
possible in NVDA...

Rui
Às 23:01 de 23/12/2017, Joseph Lee escreveu:
> Hi,
>
> One of them is already here. In fact, you’ll find it in NVDA’s
keyboard > settings dialog.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joseph
>
> *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of > *Mary Otten > *Sent:*
Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:58 PM > *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm
dissappointed > > I really agree with you about the inability to
move backwards or > forwards a line at a time when continuous reading
is invoked. I really > really miss that feature a lot coming from
window eyes as I have.
> Mary
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Dec 23, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com
<mailto:gsasner@ripco.com> > <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>> wrote:
>
> You can't label graphics, you can't create frames and there is
no > adjustment of the screen echo. There is also no way to skip
baqck > and forward by line when the screen echo is set to all or
when using > read to end and have speech continue. If these
abilities were > present, as far as I know, that would make NVDA as
user configurable > as JAWS and Window-eyes. These are important lacks in NVDA.
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:*Adriani Botez <mailto:adriani.botez@gmail.com> > >
*Sent:*Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:34 PM > >
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > >
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed > > This is not correct.
NVDA is well adjustable, even much easier than > jaws.
>
> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
>
>
> Am 23.12.2017 um 03:47 schrieb Gene <gsasner@ripco.com
<mailto:gsasner@ripco.com> > <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>>:
>
> You can't do what I could do when I used Pine with a shell
account a long time ago. I didn't need to create any frames
or > scripts. All I had to do was set the screen echo of
JAWS to > all, open a message, and then use the jaws skip
line wile > reading feature, right shift, to very quickly
jump to the start > of the message body. Even if NVDA reads
such material when it > appears on screen, you either listen
to everything or nothing > and use the tedious read by line
screen review option. Hardly a > convenient or reasonable way to go through thirty e-mails.
>
> Like it or not, NVDA isn't user definable. You can't label
graphics and you can't create frames. These are serious >
deficiencies even if many of us don't need such options.
>
> And you can't set the screen echo to all and then do what I
did, > as I described. This may be an important ability for some users.
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message ----- > >
*From:*coffeekingms@hotmail.com <mailto:coffeekingms@hotmail.com> >
*Sent:*Friday, December 22, 2017 7:16 PM > >
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > >
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed > > Hi > >
I concur. I firmly believe that NVDA can do most, if not all, >
the things more expensive programs can do. With some very rare >
exceptions. There are still some apps that require jfw with >
specific scripts to be usable, but as time goes on those apps >
will dwindle until there are none left. But for 99 percent of >
people, NVDA can work for them, either alone or in combination >
with narrator, which has gotten quite good. I don’t really set >
much store by such presentations, as the few I’ve bothered to >
listen to gloss over the free options as if they’re not there, >
are not worth mentioning or aren’t good enough. This applies to >
NVDA as well as open source operating systems like Linux. I have >
not listened to the presentation people are talking about, so I >
don’t want to ruffle any feathers, but as a rule I don’t listen >
to them. They tend to unilaterally insist that only the paid >
apps are worth using. Except for the NVDA podcasts. Those are >
great, although I don’t follow those either. I’m just a user. I >
use NVDA on a daily basis and have found very little that it >
can’t do. If it can’t navigate an app by the usual methods, tab, >
shift tab, arrows, then it can by either touch, if you have a >
touch screen or object navigation.Even when I was using Linux >
full time I would keep up with NVDA’s progress, and NVDA is what >
eventually brought me back to using windows again.
>
> Thanks
>
> Kendell Clark
>
> Sent from Mail
<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
> for Windows 10
>
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------
--
>
> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >
<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> on behalf of > Don H
<lmddh50@adams.net <mailto:lmddh50@adams.net>
<mailto:lmddh50@adams.net>> > *Sent:* Friday, December 22, 2017
6:18:54 PM > *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed > > I think that
NVDA is just as good or better than any other screen >
reader. I think the issue for businesses is the fact that NVDA >
is open > source thus in their minds less secure.
>
>
>
>



Re: I'm dissappointed

Rui Fontes
 

Sorry!
Never tested that way!

It is a very good feature not communicated to the users!

Rui


Às 23:21 de 23/12/2017, Gene escreveu:

I found the setting.  I almost never do anything in that dialog and I didn't know about it.  You don't use left and right arrow, you use up and down arrow, the same keys you would use normally to move up and down a line.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Rui Fontes <mailto:rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
*Sent:* Saturday, December 23, 2017 5:16 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
Joseph, I think she was refering to the possibility of pressing
LeftArrow or RightArrow to go back or forward one line, phrase or
paragraph during continuous reading...Unfortunately that is not yet
possible in NVDA...
Rui
Às 23:01 de 23/12/2017, Joseph Lee escreveu:
> Hi,
>
> One of them is already here. In fact, you’ll find it in NVDA’s keyboard
> settings dialog.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joseph
>
> *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
> *Mary Otten
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:58 PM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
>
> I really agree with you about the inability to move backwards or
> forwards a line at a time when continuous reading is invoked. I really
> really miss that feature a lot coming from window eyes as I have.
> Mary
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Dec 23, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com
<mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>
> <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>> wrote:
>
>     You can't label graphics, you can't create frames and there is no
>     adjustment of the screen echo.  There is also no way to skip baqck
>     and forward by line when the screen echo is set to all or when using
>     read to end and have speech continue.  If these abilities were
> present, as far as I know, that would make NVDA as user configurable
>     as JAWS and Window-eyes. These are important lacks in NVDA.
>
> Gene
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>
>     *From:*Adriani Botez <mailto:adriani.botez@gmail.com>
>
>     *Sent:*Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:34 PM
>
>     *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>
>     *Subject:*Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
>
>     This is not correct. NVDA is well adjustable, even much easier than
>     jaws.
>
>     Von meinem iPhone gesendet
>
>
>     Am 23.12.2017 um 03:47 schrieb Gene <gsasner@ripco.com
<mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>
> <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>>:
>
>         You can't do what I could do when I used Pine with a shell
>         account a long time ago.  I didn't need to create any frames or
>         scripts.  All I had to do was set the screen echo of JAWS to
>         all, open a message, and then use the jaws skip line wile
>         reading feature, right shift, to very quickly jump to the start
>         of the message body.  Even if NVDA reads such material when it
>         appears on screen, you either listen to everything or nothing
>         and use the tedious read by line screen review option.  Hardly a
>         convenient or reasonable way to go through thirty e-mails.
>
>         Like it or not, NVDA isn't user definable.  You can't label
>         graphics and you can't create frames.  These are serious
>         deficiencies even if many of us don't need such options.
>
>         And you can't set the screen echo to all and then do what I did,
>         as I described.  This may be an important ability for some users.
>
>         Gene
>
>         ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:*coffeekingms@hotmail.com <mailto:coffeekingms@hotmail.com>
>
>         *Sent:*Friday, December 22, 2017 7:16 PM
>
> *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>
>         *Subject:*Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
>
>         Hi
>
>         I concur. I  firmly believe that NVDA can do most, if not all,
>         the things more expensive programs can do. With some very rare
>         exceptions. There are still some apps that require jfw with
>         specific scripts to be usable, but as time goes on those apps
>         will dwindle until there are none left. But for 99 percent of
>         people, NVDA can work for them, either alone or in combination
>         with narrator, which has gotten quite good. I don’t really set
>         much store by such presentations, as the few I’ve bothered to
>         listen to gloss over the free options as if they’re not there,
>         are not worth mentioning or aren’t good enough. This applies to
>         NVDA as well as open source operating systems like Linux. I have
>         not listened to the presentation people are talking about, so I
>         don’t want to ruffle any feathers, but as a rule I don’t listen
>         to them. They tend to unilaterally insist that only the paid
>         apps are worth using. Except for the NVDA podcasts. Those are
>         great, although I don’t follow those either. I’m just a user. I
>         use NVDA on a daily basis and have found very little that it
>         can’t do. If it can’t navigate an app by the usual methods, tab,
>         shift tab, arrows, then it can by either touch, if you have a
>         touch screen or object navigation.Even when I was using Linux
>         full time I would keep up with NVDA’s progress, and NVDA is what
>         eventually brought me back to using windows again.
>
>         Thanks
>
>         Kendell Clark
>
>         Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
> for Windows 10
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> on behalf of
>         Don H <lmddh50@adams.net <mailto:lmddh50@adams.net>
<mailto:lmddh50@adams.net>>
> *Sent:* Friday, December 22, 2017 6:18:54 PM
>         *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
>
>         I think that NVDA is just as good or better than any other screen
>         reader.  I think the issue for businesses is the fact that NVDA
>         is open
>         source thus in their minds less secure.
>
>
>
>


Re: I'm dissappointed

Gene
 

I found the setting.  I almost never do anything in that dialog and I didn't know about it.  You don't use left and right arrow, you use up and down arrow, the same keys you would use normally to move up and down a line. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed

Joseph, I think she was refering to the possibility of pressing
LeftArrow or RightArrow to go back or forward one line, phrase or
paragraph during continuous reading...Unfortunately that is not yet
possible in NVDA...

Rui
Às 23:01 de 23/12/2017, Joseph Lee escreveu:
> Hi,
>
> One of them is already here. In fact, you’ll find it in NVDA’s keyboard
> settings dialog.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joseph
>
> *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
> *Mary Otten
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:58 PM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
>
> I really agree with you about the inability to move backwards or
> forwards a line at a time when continuous reading is invoked. I really
> really miss that feature a lot coming from window eyes as I have.
> Mary
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Dec 23, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Gene <gsasner@...
> <mailto:gsasner@...>> wrote:
>
>     You can't label graphics, you can't create frames and there is no
>     adjustment of the screen echo.  There is also no way to skip baqck
>     and forward by line when the screen echo is set to all or when using
>     read to end and have speech continue.  If these abilities were
>     present, as far as I know, that would make NVDA as user configurable
>     as JAWS and Window-eyes.  These are important lacks in NVDA.
>
>     Gene
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>
>     *From:*Adriani Botez <mailto:adriani.botez@...>
>
>     *Sent:*Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:34 PM
>
>     *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>
>     *Subject:*Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
>
>     This is not correct. NVDA is well adjustable, even much easier than
>     jaws.
>
>     Von meinem iPhone gesendet
>
>
>     Am 23.12.2017 um 03:47 schrieb Gene <gsasner@...
>     <mailto:gsasner@...>>:
>
>         You can't do what I could do when I used Pine with a shell
>         account a long time ago.  I didn't need to create any frames or
>         scripts.  All I had to do was set the screen echo of JAWS to
>         all, open a message, and then use the jaws skip line wile
>         reading feature, right shift, to very quickly jump to the start
>         of the message body.  Even if NVDA reads such material when it
>         appears on screen, you either listen to everything or nothing
>         and use the tedious read by line screen review option.  Hardly a
>         convenient or reasonable way to go through thirty e-mails.
>
>         Like it or not, NVDA isn't user definable.  You can't label
>         graphics and you can't create frames.  These are serious
>         deficiencies even if many of us don't need such options.
>
>         And you can't set the screen echo to all and then do what I did,
>         as I described.  This may be an important ability for some users.
>
>         Gene
>
>         ----- Original Message -----
>
>         *From:*coffeekingms@... <mailto:coffeekingms@...>
>
>         *Sent:*Friday, December 22, 2017 7:16 PM
>
>         *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>
>         *Subject:*Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
>
>         Hi
>
>         I concur. I  firmly believe that NVDA can do most, if not all,
>         the things more expensive programs can do. With some very rare
>         exceptions. There are still some apps that require jfw with
>         specific scripts to be usable, but as time goes on those apps
>         will dwindle until there are none left. But for 99 percent of
>         people, NVDA can work for them, either alone or in combination
>         with narrator, which has gotten quite good. I don’t really set
>         much store by such presentations, as the few I’ve bothered to
>         listen to gloss over the free options as if they’re not there,
>         are not worth mentioning or aren’t good enough. This applies to
>         NVDA as well as open source operating systems like Linux. I have
>         not listened to the presentation people are talking about, so I
>         don’t want to ruffle any feathers, but as a rule I don’t listen
>         to them. They tend to unilaterally insist that only the paid
>         apps are worth using. Except for the NVDA podcasts. Those are
>         great, although I don’t follow those either. I’m just a user. I
>         use NVDA on a daily basis and have found very little that it
>         can’t do. If it can’t navigate an app by the usual methods, tab,
>         shift tab, arrows, then it can by either touch, if you have a
>         touch screen or object navigation.Even when I was using Linux
>         full time I would keep up with NVDA’s progress, and NVDA is what
>         eventually brought me back to using windows again.
>
>         Thanks
>
>         Kendell Clark
>
>         Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
>         for Windows 10
>
>         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>         *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>         <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> on behalf of
>         Don H <lmddh50@... <mailto:lmddh50@...>>
>         *Sent:* Friday, December 22, 2017 6:18:54 PM
>         *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>         *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
>
>         I think that NVDA is just as good or better than any other screen
>         reader.  I think the issue for businesses is the fact that NVDA
>         is open
>         source thus in their minds less secure.
>
>
>
>



Re: I'm dissappointed

Mary Otten
 

Exactly correct. This feature is present in both window eyes and jaws. I hope it comes to NVDA very soon. It’s been around for a long time.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 23, 2017, at 3:16 PM, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com> wrote:

Joseph, I think she was refering to the possibility of pressing LeftArrow or RightArrow to go back or forward one line, phrase or paragraph during continuous reading...Unfortunately that is not yet possible in NVDA...

Rui
Às 23:01 de 23/12/2017, Joseph Lee escreveu:
Hi,
One of them is already here. In fact, you’ll find it in NVDA’s keyboard settings dialog.
Cheers,
Joseph
*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Mary Otten
*Sent:* Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:58 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
I really agree with you about the inability to move backwards or forwards a line at a time when continuous reading is invoked. I really really miss that feature a lot coming from window eyes as I have.
Mary
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 23, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>> wrote:
You can't label graphics, you can't create frames and there is no
adjustment of the screen echo. There is also no way to skip baqck
and forward by line when the screen echo is set to all or when using
read to end and have speech continue. If these abilities were
present, as far as I know, that would make NVDA as user configurable
as JAWS and Window-eyes. These are important lacks in NVDA.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:*Adriani Botez <mailto:adriani.botez@gmail.com>
*Sent:*Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:34 PM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
This is not correct. NVDA is well adjustable, even much easier than
jaws.
Von meinem iPhone gesendet
Am 23.12.2017 um 03:47 schrieb Gene <gsasner@ripco.com
<mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>>:
You can't do what I could do when I used Pine with a shell
account a long time ago. I didn't need to create any frames or
scripts. All I had to do was set the screen echo of JAWS to
all, open a message, and then use the jaws skip line wile
reading feature, right shift, to very quickly jump to the start
of the message body. Even if NVDA reads such material when it
appears on screen, you either listen to everything or nothing
and use the tedious read by line screen review option. Hardly a
convenient or reasonable way to go through thirty e-mails.
Like it or not, NVDA isn't user definable. You can't label
graphics and you can't create frames. These are serious
deficiencies even if many of us don't need such options.
And you can't set the screen echo to all and then do what I did,
as I described. This may be an important ability for some users.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:*coffeekingms@hotmail.com <mailto:coffeekingms@hotmail.com>
*Sent:*Friday, December 22, 2017 7:16 PM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
Hi
I concur. I firmly believe that NVDA can do most, if not all,
the things more expensive programs can do. With some very rare
exceptions. There are still some apps that require jfw with
specific scripts to be usable, but as time goes on those apps
will dwindle until there are none left. But for 99 percent of
people, NVDA can work for them, either alone or in combination
with narrator, which has gotten quite good. I don’t really set
much store by such presentations, as the few I’ve bothered to
listen to gloss over the free options as if they’re not there,
are not worth mentioning or aren’t good enough. This applies to
NVDA as well as open source operating systems like Linux. I have
not listened to the presentation people are talking about, so I
don’t want to ruffle any feathers, but as a rule I don’t listen
to them. They tend to unilaterally insist that only the paid
apps are worth using. Except for the NVDA podcasts. Those are
great, although I don’t follow those either. I’m just a user. I
use NVDA on a daily basis and have found very little that it
can’t do. If it can’t navigate an app by the usual methods, tab,
shift tab, arrows, then it can by either touch, if you have a
touch screen or object navigation.Even when I was using Linux
full time I would keep up with NVDA’s progress, and NVDA is what
eventually brought me back to using windows again.
Thanks
Kendell Clark
Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
for Windows 10
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> on behalf of
Don H <lmddh50@adams.net <mailto:lmddh50@adams.net>>
*Sent:* Friday, December 22, 2017 6:18:54 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
I think that NVDA is just as good or better than any other screen
reader. I think the issue for businesses is the fact that NVDA
is open
source thus in their minds less secure.


Re: I'm dissappointed

Rui Fontes
 

Joseph, I think she was refering to the possibility of pressing LeftArrow or RightArrow to go back or forward one line, phrase or paragraph during continuous reading...Unfortunately that is not yet possible in NVDA...

Rui
Às 23:01 de 23/12/2017, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,
One of them is already here. In fact, you’ll find it in NVDA’s keyboard settings dialog.
Cheers,
Joseph
*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Mary Otten
*Sent:* Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:58 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
I really agree with you about the inability to move backwards or forwards a line at a time when continuous reading is invoked. I really really miss that feature a lot coming from window eyes as I have.
Mary
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 23, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>> wrote:
You can't label graphics, you can't create frames and there is no
adjustment of the screen echo.  There is also no way to skip baqck
and forward by line when the screen echo is set to all or when using
read to end and have speech continue.  If these abilities were
present, as far as I know, that would make NVDA as user configurable
as JAWS and Window-eyes.  These are important lacks in NVDA.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:*Adriani Botez <mailto:adriani.botez@gmail.com>
*Sent:*Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:34 PM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
This is not correct. NVDA is well adjustable, even much easier than
jaws.
Von meinem iPhone gesendet
Am 23.12.2017 um 03:47 schrieb Gene <gsasner@ripco.com
<mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>>:
You can't do what I could do when I used Pine with a shell
account a long time ago.  I didn't need to create any frames or
scripts.  All I had to do was set the screen echo of JAWS to
all, open a message, and then use the jaws skip line wile
reading feature, right shift, to very quickly jump to the start
of the message body.  Even if NVDA reads such material when it
appears on screen, you either listen to everything or nothing
and use the tedious read by line screen review option.  Hardly a
convenient or reasonable way to go through thirty e-mails.
Like it or not, NVDA isn't user definable.  You can't label
graphics and you can't create frames.  These are serious
deficiencies even if many of us don't need such options.
And you can't set the screen echo to all and then do what I did,
as I described.  This may be an important ability for some users.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:*coffeekingms@hotmail.com <mailto:coffeekingms@hotmail.com>
*Sent:*Friday, December 22, 2017 7:16 PM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
Hi
I concur. I  firmly believe that NVDA can do most, if not all,
the things more expensive programs can do. With some very rare
exceptions. There are still some apps that require jfw with
specific scripts to be usable, but as time goes on those apps
will dwindle until there are none left. But for 99 percent of
people, NVDA can work for them, either alone or in combination
with narrator, which has gotten quite good. I don’t really set
much store by such presentations, as the few I’ve bothered to
listen to gloss over the free options as if they’re not there,
are not worth mentioning or aren’t good enough. This applies to
NVDA as well as open source operating systems like Linux. I have
not listened to the presentation people are talking about, so I
don’t want to ruffle any feathers, but as a rule I don’t listen
to them. They tend to unilaterally insist that only the paid
apps are worth using. Except for the NVDA podcasts. Those are
great, although I don’t follow those either. I’m just a user. I
use NVDA on a daily basis and have found very little that it
can’t do. If it can’t navigate an app by the usual methods, tab,
shift tab, arrows, then it can by either touch, if you have a
touch screen or object navigation.Even when I was using Linux
full time I would keep up with NVDA’s progress, and NVDA is what
eventually brought me back to using windows again.
Thanks
Kendell Clark
Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
for Windows 10
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> on behalf of
Don H <lmddh50@adams.net <mailto:lmddh50@adams.net>>
*Sent:* Friday, December 22, 2017 6:18:54 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
I think that NVDA is just as good or better than any other screen
reader.  I think the issue for businesses is the fact that NVDA
is open
source thus in their minds less secure.


Re: I'm dissappointed

 

Hi,

One of them is already here. In fact, you’ll find it in NVDA’s keyboard settings dialog.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed

 

I really agree with you about the inability to move backwards or forwards a line at a time when continuous reading is invoked. I really really miss that feature a lot coming from window eyes as I have.
Mary

 

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 23, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

You can't label graphics, you can't create frames and there is no adjustment of the screen echo.  There is also no way to skip baqck and forward by line when the screen echo is set to all or when using read to end and have speech continue.  If these abilities were present, as far as I know, that would make NVDA as user configurable as JAWS and Window-eyes.  These are important lacks in NVDA.

 

Gene 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:34 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed

 

This is not correct. NVDA is well adjustable, even much easier than jaws.

 

 

Von meinem iPhone gesendet


Am 23.12.2017 um 03:47 schrieb Gene <gsasner@...>:

You can't do what I could do when I used Pine with a shell account a long time ago.  I didn't need to create any frames or scripts.  All I had to do was set the screen echo of JAWS to all, open a message, and then use the jaws skip line wile reading feature, right shift, to very quickly jump to the start of the message body.  Even if NVDA reads such material when it appears on screen, you either listen to everything or nothing and use the tedious read by line screen review option.  Hardly a convenient or reasonable way to go through thirty e-mails. 

 

Like it or not, NVDA isn't user definable.  You can't label graphics and you can't create frames.  These are serious deficiencies even if many of us don't need such options.

 

And you can't set the screen echo to all and then do what I did, as I described.  This may be an important ability for some users.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 7:16 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed

 

Hi

I concur. I  firmly believe that NVDA can do most, if not all, the things more expensive programs can do. With some very rare exceptions. There are still some apps that require jfw with specific scripts to be usable, but as time goes on those apps will dwindle until there are none left. But for 99 percent of people, NVDA can work for them, either alone or in combination with narrator, which has gotten quite good. I don’t really set much store by such presentations, as the few I’ve bothered to listen to gloss over the free options as if they’re not there, are not worth mentioning or aren’t good enough. This applies to NVDA as well as open source operating systems like Linux. I have not listened to the presentation people are talking about, so I don’t want to ruffle any feathers, but as a rule I don’t listen to them. They tend to unilaterally insist that only the paid apps are worth using. Except for the NVDA podcasts. Those are great, although I don’t follow those either. I’m just a user. I use NVDA on a daily basis and have found very little that it can’t do. If it can’t navigate an app by the usual methods, tab, shift tab, arrows, then it can by either touch, if you have a touch screen or object navigation.Even when I was using Linux full time I would keep up with NVDA’s progress, and NVDA is what eventually brought me back to using windows again.

Thanks

Kendell Clark

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Don H <lmddh50@...>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 6:18:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed

 

I think that NVDA is just as good or better than any other screen
reader.  I think the issue for businesses is the fact that NVDA is open
source thus in their minds less secure.




Re: I'm dissappointed

Mary Otten
 

I really agree with you about the inability to move backwards or forwards a line at a time when continuous reading is invoked. I really really miss that feature a lot coming from window eyes as I have.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 23, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

You can't label graphics, you can't create frames and there is no adjustment of the screen echo.  There is also no way to skip baqck and forward by line when the screen echo is set to all or when using read to end and have speech continue.  If these abilities were present, as far as I know, that would make NVDA as user configurable as JAWS and Window-eyes.  These are important lacks in NVDA.
 
Gene 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed

This is not correct. NVDA is well adjustable, even much easier than jaws.



Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 23.12.2017 um 03:47 schrieb Gene <gsasner@...>:

You can't do what I could do when I used Pine with a shell account a long time ago.  I didn't need to create any frames or scripts.  All I had to do was set the screen echo of JAWS to all, open a message, and then use the jaws skip line wile reading feature, right shift, to very quickly jump to the start of the message body.  Even if NVDA reads such material when it appears on screen, you either listen to everything or nothing and use the tedious read by line screen review option.  Hardly a convenient or reasonable way to go through thirty e-mails. 
 
Like it or not, NVDA isn't user definable.  You can't label graphics and you can't create frames.  These are serious deficiencies even if many of us don't need such options.
 
And you can't set the screen echo to all and then do what I did, as I described.  This may be an important ability for some users.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed

Hi

I concur. I  firmly believe that NVDA can do most, if not all, the things more expensive programs can do. With some very rare exceptions. There are still some apps that require jfw with specific scripts to be usable, but as time goes on those apps will dwindle until there are none left. But for 99 percent of people, NVDA can work for them, either alone or in combination with narrator, which has gotten quite good. I don’t really set much store by such presentations, as the few I’ve bothered to listen to gloss over the free options as if they’re not there, are not worth mentioning or aren’t good enough. This applies to NVDA as well as open source operating systems like Linux. I have not listened to the presentation people are talking about, so I don’t want to ruffle any feathers, but as a rule I don’t listen to them. They tend to unilaterally insist that only the paid apps are worth using. Except for the NVDA podcasts. Those are great, although I don’t follow those either. I’m just a user. I use NVDA on a daily basis and have found very little that it can’t do. If it can’t navigate an app by the usual methods, tab, shift tab, arrows, then it can by either touch, if you have a touch screen or object navigation.Even when I was using Linux full time I would keep up with NVDA’s progress, and NVDA is what eventually brought me back to using windows again.

Thanks

Kendell Clark

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Don H <lmddh50@...>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 6:18:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
 
I think that NVDA is just as good or better than any other screen
reader.  I think the issue for businesses is the fact that NVDA is open
source thus in their minds less secure.





Re: I'm dissappointed

Gene
 

You can't label graphics, you can't create frames and there is no adjustment of the screen echo.  There is also no way to skip baqck and forward by line when the screen echo is set to all or when using read to end and have speech continue.  If these abilities were present, as far as I know, that would make NVDA as user configurable as JAWS and Window-eyes.  These are important lacks in NVDA.
 
Gene 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed

This is not correct. NVDA is well adjustable, even much easier than jaws.



Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 23.12.2017 um 03:47 schrieb Gene <gsasner@...>:

You can't do what I could do when I used Pine with a shell account a long time ago.  I didn't need to create any frames or scripts.  All I had to do was set the screen echo of JAWS to all, open a message, and then use the jaws skip line wile reading feature, right shift, to very quickly jump to the start of the message body.  Even if NVDA reads such material when it appears on screen, you either listen to everything or nothing and use the tedious read by line screen review option.  Hardly a convenient or reasonable way to go through thirty e-mails. 
 
Like it or not, NVDA isn't user definable.  You can't label graphics and you can't create frames.  These are serious deficiencies even if many of us don't need such options.
 
And you can't set the screen echo to all and then do what I did, as I described.  This may be an important ability for some users.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed

Hi

I concur. I  firmly believe that NVDA can do most, if not all, the things more expensive programs can do. With some very rare exceptions. There are still some apps that require jfw with specific scripts to be usable, but as time goes on those apps will dwindle until there are none left. But for 99 percent of people, NVDA can work for them, either alone or in combination with narrator, which has gotten quite good. I don’t really set much store by such presentations, as the few I’ve bothered to listen to gloss over the free options as if they’re not there, are not worth mentioning or aren’t good enough. This applies to NVDA as well as open source operating systems like Linux. I have not listened to the presentation people are talking about, so I don’t want to ruffle any feathers, but as a rule I don’t listen to them. They tend to unilaterally insist that only the paid apps are worth using. Except for the NVDA podcasts. Those are great, although I don’t follow those either. I’m just a user. I use NVDA on a daily basis and have found very little that it can’t do. If it can’t navigate an app by the usual methods, tab, shift tab, arrows, then it can by either touch, if you have a touch screen or object navigation.Even when I was using Linux full time I would keep up with NVDA’s progress, and NVDA is what eventually brought me back to using windows again.

Thanks

Kendell Clark

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Don H <lmddh50@...>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 6:18:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed
 
I think that NVDA is just as good or better than any other screen
reader.  I think the issue for businesses is the fact that NVDA is open
source thus in their minds less secure.





Re: Nvda broken?

Matt Turner
 

Hi, I had a Eloquence addon.

I've wasn't sure if this addon was a legal one, so i've removed it.

I've had it on here for awhile, but I'll be buying the sapi5 one from codefactory.

On 12/23/2017 4:51 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Glad it is fixed. Please flag us down if this happens again.
For reference: can you tell us which add-ons were causing issues?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt Turner
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 1:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Nvda broken?

Hi, I think I've fix it for now.

NVDA 2017.4, Windows 8.1 64 bit.

I've took a look at all the addons I had installed, and removed a few of them.

Starting up windows, NVDA starts up now. after removing said add-ons.


On 12/23/2017 4:24 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,
A few things first:
* Which NVDA version are (or were) you running?
* Which Windows release are you using?
* Do you have any add-ons installed?
Sounds like NVDA has encountered a major problem when trying to load something at startup. The thing is, we need your NVDA log output to determine what's up, and one way to get it is:
1. Open Run dialog (Windows+R).
2. Type "%temp%" (without quotes and exactly as shown) and press Enter.
3. Look for a file named "nvda.log" or "nvdaold.log".
4. Open the file and copy and paste everything you see in the reply.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Matt Turner
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 1:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Nvda broken?

Hi folks.

Every time I try to start up NVDA, I get a airer.

I've uninstalled/ reinstalled, but I still get the same thing.

Even when windows starts up, the sound plays, but nvda still gives and airer.

Narrator reads, airer nvda.exe ok.

I get nothing about checking the nvda log.










Re: Nvda broken?

 

Hi,
Glad it is fixed. Please flag us down if this happens again.
For reference: can you tell us which add-ons were causing issues?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt Turner
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 1:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Nvda broken?

Hi, I think I've fix it for now.

NVDA 2017.4, Windows 8.1 64 bit.

I've took a look at all the addons I had installed, and removed a few of them.

Starting up windows, NVDA starts up now. after removing said add-ons.


On 12/23/2017 4:24 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,
A few things first:
* Which NVDA version are (or were) you running?
* Which Windows release are you using?
* Do you have any add-ons installed?
Sounds like NVDA has encountered a major problem when trying to load something at startup. The thing is, we need your NVDA log output to determine what's up, and one way to get it is:
1. Open Run dialog (Windows+R).
2. Type "%temp%" (without quotes and exactly as shown) and press Enter.
3. Look for a file named "nvda.log" or "nvdaold.log".
4. Open the file and copy and paste everything you see in the reply.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Matt Turner
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 1:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Nvda broken?

Hi folks.

Every time I try to start up NVDA, I get a airer.

I've uninstalled/ reinstalled, but I still get the same thing.

Even when windows starts up, the sound plays, but nvda still gives and airer.

Narrator reads, airer nvda.exe ok.

I get nothing about checking the nvda log.







Re: Nvda broken?

Matt Turner
 

Hi, I think I've fix it for now.

NVDA 2017.4, Windows 8.1 64 bit.

I've took a look at all the addons I had installed, and removed a few of them.

Starting up windows, NVDA starts up now. after removing said add-ons.

On 12/23/2017 4:24 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,
A few things first:
* Which NVDA version are (or were) you running?
* Which Windows release are you using?
* Do you have any add-ons installed?
Sounds like NVDA has encountered a major problem when trying to load something at startup. The thing is, we need your NVDA log output to determine what's up, and one way to get it is:
1. Open Run dialog (Windows+R).
2. Type "%temp%" (without quotes and exactly as shown) and press Enter.
3. Look for a file named "nvda.log" or "nvdaold.log".
4. Open the file and copy and paste everything you see in the reply.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt Turner
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 1:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Nvda broken?

Hi folks.

Every time I try to start up NVDA, I get a airer.

I've uninstalled/ reinstalled, but I still get the same thing.

Even when windows starts up, the sound plays, but nvda still gives and airer.

Narrator reads, airer nvda.exe ok.

I get nothing about checking the nvda log.






Re: NVDA tech Support

 

Hi,
I think a possible compromise might be that not all questions are answered, or if answered, on a timely manner. A quick solution is teaching folks how to provide a more proper tech support (such as teaching what questions to ask and what to look for), but it isn't one of the best ones at the moment, as teaching and training involve months of effort.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Adriani Botez
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 1:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA tech Support

This is strongly incorrect. Please give a single example of a question which has not been answered. I couldn‘t find one. Here are lots of competent users and developers who always do their best to answer the questions. We should thank all for this. There is no screen reader in this world with such a competent community. And I use jaws, narator, dolphin and cobra as well. But in this community you will always get your answer.


Best
Adriani


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 23.12.2017 um 23:00 schrieb Pascal Lambert <rambeau68@gmail.com>:

NVDA tech support may be best provided by groups at the national level given the different needs and language barriers. A headquarter group may be used to provide support to national groups as needed. In this large group list, many questions often remain unanswered.
Season's blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed

Hmmm how would one go about doing this.

Firstly you would need some way to handle this.

I guess if it was all done via skype it could be done but I certainly do not have time to sit round on a waiting for calls on nvda.

For mail ie email we have this list for global support and the tech lists at least in new zealand do handle nvda questions and issues if they get posted there.

There is the blind organisation I am in and they have an accessibility centre of sorts that covers all support I suspose nvda to but who knows.

Its an organisation so like all of them they want you to use jaws but who knows a lot of that has changed a lot.




On 24/12/2017 8:22 a.m., Rui Fontes wrote:
I think the better solution is each NVDA country community having
some kind of support center, by phone or by mail...

At least in Portugal we serve as a kind of support center for NVDA...
by phone, Skype or mail...

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 18:55 de 23/12/2017, Shaun Everiss escreveu:
Well nvda does not use a traditional support line, the email list
is support for most part.

I think there is a toll call service in australia that the devs run
which you can buy, all reader groups have a trained tech support
call centre, we have mike and maybe other devs doing support but its
not a full support group.

Being that this is opensource and not payed for like jaws I am not
sure how we can fix this shortfall.

Technically I guess we can have groups on skype and or whats app for
nvda support but you really need someone to pick up that phone and
dial support.

Here is the thing, a number of devs and a few are payed but most of
us are not.

Having used jaws, and dolphin products while I have needed support
for most of my comercial product use its never been that much and
email has been most of it but if I need a responce the phone is
always the best especially if the computer does not work right.




On 24/12/2017 4:43 a.m., susan@cantos.us wrote:
I am a teacher of students with visual impairments. One of my
students is learning to use a screen reader and I decided to adopt
NVDA. Tireless hours training have been spent training myself
through videos, websites, youtubes, etc. I started training my
student and implementing it with his school work. We have found
what works one day does not always work the next day. What has been
frustrating is how difficult it is to get tech support for NVDA on
the spot as we sometimes need in the educational setting. We have
very limited hours in a school day to complete our training and
work with students with visual impairments. Their curriculum
extends beyond the core curriculum as we all know and efficiency
with support is critical. I am starting to use JAWS with my student
and it has been seemless and working well. I really want to adopt
NVDA but it has been very frustrating. We teach our students to
brainstorm and contact tech support when needed but NVDA does not
make it easy for our students to do this. Our students are the
future of NVDA as future screen readers. Thoughts?




.


.







Re: NVDA tech Support

Adriani Botez
 

This is strongly incorrect. Please give a single example of a question which has not been answered. I couldn‘t find one. Here are lots of competent users and developers who always do their best to answer the questions. We should thank all for this. There is no screen reader in this world with such a competent community. And I use jaws, narator, dolphin and cobra as well. But in this community you will always get your answer.


Best
Adriani


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 23.12.2017 um 23:00 schrieb Pascal Lambert <rambeau68@gmail.com>:

NVDA tech support may be best provided by groups at the national level given the different needs and language barriers. A headquarter group may be used to provide support to national groups as needed. In this large group list, many questions often remain unanswered.
Season's blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 2:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed

Hmmm how would one go about doing this.

Firstly you would need some way to handle this.

I guess if it was all done via skype it could be done but I certainly do not have time to sit round on a waiting for calls on nvda.

For mail ie email we have this list for global support and the tech lists at least in new zealand do handle nvda questions and issues if they get posted there.

There is the blind organisation I am in and they have an accessibility centre of sorts that covers all support I suspose nvda to but who knows.

Its an organisation so like all of them they want you to use jaws but who knows a lot of that has changed a lot.




On 24/12/2017 8:22 a.m., Rui Fontes wrote:
I think the better solution is each NVDA country community having some
kind of support center, by phone or by mail...

At least in Portugal we serve as a kind of support center for NVDA...
by phone, Skype or mail...

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 18:55 de 23/12/2017, Shaun Everiss escreveu:
Well nvda does not use a traditional support line, the email list is
support for most part.

I think there is a toll call service in australia that the devs run
which you can buy, all reader groups have a trained tech support call
centre, we have mike and maybe other devs doing support but its not a
full support group.

Being that this is opensource and not payed for like jaws I am not
sure how we can fix this shortfall.

Technically I guess we can have groups on skype and or whats app for
nvda support but you really need someone to pick up that phone and
dial support.

Here is the thing, a number of devs and a few are payed but most of
us are not.

Having used jaws, and dolphin products while I have needed support
for most of my comercial product use its never been that much and
email has been most of it but if I need a responce the phone is
always the best especially if the computer does not work right.




On 24/12/2017 4:43 a.m., susan@cantos.us wrote:
I am a teacher of students with visual impairments. One of my
students is learning to use a screen reader and I decided to adopt
NVDA. Tireless hours training have been spent training myself
through videos, websites, youtubes, etc. I started training my
student and implementing it with his school work. We have found what
works one day does not always work the next day. What has been
frustrating is how difficult it is to get tech support for NVDA on
the spot as we sometimes need in the educational setting. We have
very limited hours in a school day to complete our training and work
with students with visual impairments. Their curriculum extends
beyond the core curriculum as we all know and efficiency with
support is critical. I am starting to use JAWS with my student and
it has been seemless and working well. I really want to adopt NVDA
but it has been very frustrating. We teach our students to
brainstorm and contact tech support when needed but NVDA does not
make it easy for our students to do this. Our students are the
future of NVDA as future screen readers. Thoughts?




.


.







Re: Nvda broken?

 

Hi,
A few things first:
* Which NVDA version are (or were) you running?
* Which Windows release are you using?
* Do you have any add-ons installed?
Sounds like NVDA has encountered a major problem when trying to load something at startup. The thing is, we need your NVDA log output to determine what's up, and one way to get it is:
1. Open Run dialog (Windows+R).
2. Type "%temp%" (without quotes and exactly as shown) and press Enter.
3. Look for a file named "nvda.log" or "nvdaold.log".
4. Open the file and copy and paste everything you see in the reply.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt Turner
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 1:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Nvda broken?

Hi folks.

Every time I try to start up NVDA, I get a airer.

I've uninstalled/ reinstalled, but I still get the same thing.

Even when windows starts up, the sound plays, but nvda still gives and airer.

Narrator reads, airer nvda.exe ok.

I get nothing about checking the nvda log.


Nvda broken?

Matt Turner
 

Hi folks.

Every time I try to start up NVDA, I get a airer.

I've uninstalled/ reinstalled, but I still get the same thing.

Even when windows starts up, the sound plays, but nvda still gives and  airer.

Narrator reads, airer nvda.exe ok.

I get nothing about checking the nvda log.


Re: I'm dissappointed

Adriani Botez
 

Well, nv access cannot provide this yet. But a good language maintainers team can do it.

Best
Adriani


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 23.12.2017 um 21:48 schrieb Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>:

Remember that the majority of NVDA users do not speak english, so this list is useless to them...

The way each community will organize itself iwill be different, because the community is different, because the users base is different, the size of the country is different and so on...

One thing is a community in a country like Portugal, with only 10 millions of people, and other totally different will be in India with almost 100 times more population...

Regards,

Rui Fonts
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 19:36 de 23/12/2017, Shaun Everiss escreveu:
Hmmm how would one go about doing this.
Firstly you would need some way to handle this.
I guess if it was all done via skype it could be done but I certainly do not have time to sit round on a waiting for calls on nvda.
For mail ie email we have this list for global support and the tech lists at least in new zealand do handle nvda questions and issues if they get posted there.
There is the blind organisation I am in and they have an accessibility centre of sorts that covers all support I suspose nvda to but who knows.
Its an organisation so like all of them they want you to use jaws but who knows a lot of that has changed a lot.
On 24/12/2017 8:22 a.m., Rui Fontes wrote:
I think the better solution is each NVDA country community having some kind of support center, by phone or by mail...

At least in Portugal we serve as a kind of support center for NVDA... by phone, Skype or mail...

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 18:55 de 23/12/2017, Shaun Everiss escreveu:
Well nvda does not use a traditional support line, the email list is support for most part.

I think there is a toll call service in australia that the devs run which you can buy, all reader groups have a trained tech support call centre, we have mike and maybe other devs doing support but its not a full support group.

Being that this is opensource and not payed for like jaws I am not sure how we can fix this shortfall.

Technically I guess we can have groups on skype and or whats app for nvda support but you really need someone to pick up that phone and dial support.

Here is the thing, a number of devs and a few are payed but most of us are not.

Having used jaws, and dolphin products while I have needed support for most of my comercial product use its never been that much and email has been most of it but if I need a responce the phone is always the best especially if the computer does not work right.




On 24/12/2017 4:43 a.m., susan@cantos.us wrote:
I am a teacher of students with visual impairments. One of my students is learning to use a screen reader and I decided to adopt NVDA. Tireless hours training have been spent training myself through videos, websites, youtubes, etc. I started training my student and implementing it with his school work. We have found what works one day does not always work the next day. What has been frustrating is how difficult it is to get tech support for NVDA on the spot as we sometimes need in the educational setting. We have very limited hours in a school day to complete our training and work with students with visual impairments. Their curriculum extends beyond the core curriculum as we all know and efficiency with support is critical. I am starting to use JAWS with my student and it has been seemless and working well. I really want to adopt NVDA but it has been very frustrating. We teach our students to brainstorm and contact tech support when needed but NVDA does not make it easy for our students to do this. Our students are the future of NVDA as future screen readers. Thoughts?




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