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Re: Vocalizer expressive

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Hey Chris.

I think, especially with Vocalizer, this is more than anything down to
personal preference. There are differences in intonation, even
pronunciation. My favourite is Daniel. If I want a female type voice, I will
use kate (though is she available in any of the NVDA add-ons?). But the only
way to know is to try for yourself. I find the Daniel voice to be very
pleasant to listen to.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
Shook
Sent: December 22, 2017 11:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Vocalizer expressive

Hi,
Out of the two synthesizars, and three different British male voices
available for NVDA. Which voices between Malcolm, Daniel, and Oliver is the
most expressive when reading.
Thanks
Chris


Re: Addon to solve Captcha?

abdul muhamin
 

Hi, its nice that the addon of solving captcha is available, if someone will translate it in to English, it will be highly appriciated

 

regards, Abdulmuhamin Yousaf!
head of content department at
www.blindHelp.net

 

From: 特種兵
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 7:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Addon to solve Captcha?

 


  anyone who tell me this addon how to use?
  or translate readme.md to English.



thank you for much
Logo Kuo from Taiwan

Александр Епанешников 2017/12/18 下午 06:50 寫道:

https://github.com/kvark128/captchaSolver
but it's in russian 

 

 


Re: Vocalizer from Tifloteknia

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!

Which further enhancements in automatic language switch do you want?

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.




Às 16:39 de 22/12/2017, Supanut Leepaisomboon escreveu:

Tiflotecnia's Vocalizer worked quite well actually, but one historic complain that I have is that for certain languages (especially Asian languages like Thai) the synth won't read certain characters when typing.
Just like everyone else, I'm still waiting for the promised update; I think the one thing that Tiflotecnia's version has that the Codefactory version doesn't is the compact voices bundle.
If the update is taking this long, the update better include the 2.2 version of Vocalizer Expressive, along with lots of bug fixes and further enhancements to automatic language switching.


Re: Vocalizer from Tifloteknia

 

Tiflotecnia's Vocalizer worked quite well actually, but one historic complain that I have is that for certain languages (especially Asian languages like Thai) the synth won't read certain characters when typing.
Just like everyone else, I'm still waiting for the promised update; I think the one thing that Tiflotecnia's version has that the Codefactory version doesn't is the compact voices bundle.
If the update is taking this long, the update better include the 2.2 version of Vocalizer Expressive, along with lots of bug fixes and further enhancements to automatic language switching.


Re: Vocalizer from Tifloteknia

Rui Fontes
 

Hello Nimer!

You wrote:
This add-on and these voices were promised two years ago.

Sorry, but your notion of time is a little wrong...
We just start the earlier tests in August of 2016...


You wrote:
Surely last year the product could have been released ...

Maybe, but we have several problems and was not possible...


You wrote:
... Or did you know about all the changes that were coming for 2018.1

Of course not! On that time, I believe no one knew when it will be possible to change to Python 3.0, WXCom 4.0 and so on...
But, if we are now finishing the driver addon it is mandatory that it will be compatible with all the changes, right?


You wrote:
I am sorry if I am harsh about this issue, but this is a product that users pay much money for.

Right, but no one, in the time of purchase, promissed updates... And the product is working allright with the last version of Windows and last version of NVDA, right?


You wrote:
The licensing scheme where users don't have a way of getting licenses without contacting the company bothers me.

Sorry, but you can disable a activation through NVDA/Vocalizer Expressive menu...
If it will be impossible to do that, logically you have to contact the supplier, as in all products, as far as I know... What product lets you increase the activations counter without disabling a activation?


Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Vocalizer expressive

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Hi,
Out of the two synthesizars, and three different British male voices available for NVDA. Which voices between Malcolm, Daniel, and Oliver is the most expressive when reading.
Thanks
Chris


Re: Eloquence but that comes packaged with k1000?

Gerardo Corripio
 

OH no. This is definitely not hacked at all. Kurzweil1000 makes it available outside of for use on Windows. Not that I'd use Eloquence since I've gotten so used to Vocalizer since it continues to evolve, but nevertheless it's just a curiosity I have since I discovered some time ago that this Eloquence works too on NVDA.

El 22/12/2017 a las 08:41 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io escribió:
It depends on the licence really. If they have made it a global synth then you are quite free to use it, but hacking a driver to use a restricted copy, say from Dolphin or other maker is probably not legal.
The problem I've had with Sapi 4 in general is that being an older design, often strange things happen on later versions of windows, like character level speech can sometimes not work correctly and language switching may be no good.
I have an old copy of IBM Home page reader, which cannot run on modern windows but the synth itself is globally enabled and will.
I don't particularly like eloquence clones, but it does work.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerardo Corripio" <gera1027@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 11:40 AM
Subject: [nvda] Eloquence but that comes packaged with k1000?


I'm well aware that Eloquence isn't allowed on here, except that bought either through Code Factory, AT Guys and others, but for those who own Kurzweil1000 Reading software, and Eloquence (or probably not Eloquence but in my case it says Microsoft Sapi4 and when I activate it with NVDA something sounding like Eloquence comes up, is this allowed? I've only noticed this a few days back when exploring what synths are available for NVDA.

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Re: Eloquence but that comes packaged with k1000?

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It depends on the licence really. If they have made it a global synth then you are quite free to use it, but hacking a driver to use a restricted copy, say from Dolphin or other maker is probably not legal.
The problem I've had with Sapi 4 in general is that being an older design, often strange things happen on later versions of windows, like character level speech can sometimes not work correctly and language switching may be no good.
I have an old copy of IBM Home page reader, which cannot run on modern windows but the synth itself is globally enabled and will.
I don't particularly like eloquence clones, but it does work.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerardo Corripio" <gera1027@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 11:40 AM
Subject: [nvda] Eloquence but that comes packaged with k1000?


I'm well aware that Eloquence isn't allowed on here, except that bought either through Code Factory, AT Guys and others, but for those who own Kurzweil1000 Reading software, and Eloquence (or probably not Eloquence but in my case it says Microsoft Sapi4 and when I activate it with NVDA something sounding like Eloquence comes up, is this allowed? I've only noticed this a few days back when exploring what synths are available for NVDA.

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Re: I hear the word payne

Payal Kapoor
 

thanks. i am reassured it is not a problem at my end. will just leave it be.

On 12/22/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
NVDA says unknown when it sees some sort of text that it doesn't know how to
convert into speech. I don't know if it does for images. Just ignore it.
Something is being displayed that NVDA doesn't know how to render. I see
NVDA say unknown fairly often and then, things work as they should because
the unknown material is replaced by known material.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Payal Kapoor
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 3:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I hear the word payne


although i don't have trouble with the word pane, i usually hear
unknown every time i close a page or programme. also when i close
everything down before i shut down, unknown
is announced. there is no other dialogue box there either. any idea
why this might be so?
i have recently made the switch from JAWS to NVDA and this confuses me.
thanks for any help.
Payal

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I think it when nvda has no other data from the page. The pane seems to
be
what is said by default when web browsers have a blank page.
I hear it when firefox boots up for the first time as well.

Is your machine particularly slow?

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Metzler" <gmtravel@comcast.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 7:10 PM
Subject: [nvda] I hear the word payne


Hi All,

for some reason when I first open a message in wlm I hear the word payne
spoken several times. It also happens in ie. I am using the latest
windows

10 and nvda. Has anyone else had this happen to them? If so, is there a
fix for it? Thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox
sendto: gmtravel@comcast.net






Re: I hear the word payne

Gene
 

NVDA says unknown when it sees some sort of text that it doesn't know how to convert into speech.  I don't know if it does for images.  Just ignore it.  Something is being displayed that NVDA doesn't know how to render.  I see NVDA say unknown fairly often and then, things work as they should because the unknown material is replaced by known material. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 3:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I hear the word payne

although i don't have trouble with the word pane, i usually hear
unknown every time i close a page or programme. also when i close
everything down before i shut down, unknown
 is announced. there is no other dialogue box there either. any idea
why this might be so?
i have recently made the switch from JAWS to NVDA and this confuses me.
thanks for any help.
Payal

On 12/22/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists@...> wrote:
> I think it when nvda has no other data from the page. The pane seems to be
> what is said by default when web browsers have a blank page.
>  I hear it when firefox boots up for the first time as well.
>
> Is your machine particularly slow?
>
>  Brian
>
> bglists@...
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary Metzler" <gmtravel@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 7:10 PM
> Subject: [nvda] I hear the word payne
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> for some reason when I first open a message in wlm I hear the word payne
> spoken several times.  It also happens in ie.  I am using the latest windows
>
> 10 and nvda.  Has anyone else had this happen to them?  If so, is there a
> fix for it?  Thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox
> sendto: gmtravel@...
>
>
>
>
>



Re: Eloquence but that comes packaged with k1000?

Gene
 

Some newer members may not know that I am the moderator.  My view is that if Kurzweil wanted people not to use that option, they would restrict use of the synthesizer so it couldn't be used in that way.  They've had over a decade to do so and they haven't.  Therefore, I have no objection to discussing that option.  If the list owner disagrees, he will let us know. 
 
Gene
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Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 5:40 AM
Subject: [nvda] Eloquence but that comes packaged with k1000?

I'm well aware that Eloquence isn't allowed on here, except that bought
either through Code Factory, AT Guys and others, but for those who own
Kurzweil1000 Reading software, and Eloquence (or probably not Eloquence
but in my case it says Microsoft Sapi4 and when I activate it with NVDA
something sounding like Eloquence comes up, is this allowed? I've only
noticed this a few days back when exploring what synths are available
for NVDA.

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Re: I hear the word payne

Payal Kapoor
 

although i don't have trouble with the word pane, i usually hear
unknown every time i close a page or programme. also when i close
everything down before i shut down, unknown
is announced. there is no other dialogue box there either. any idea
why this might be so?
i have recently made the switch from JAWS to NVDA and this confuses me.
thanks for any help.
Payal

On 12/22/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
I think it when nvda has no other data from the page. The pane seems to be
what is said by default when web browsers have a blank page.
I hear it when firefox boots up for the first time as well.

Is your machine particularly slow?

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Metzler" <gmtravel@comcast.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 7:10 PM
Subject: [nvda] I hear the word payne


Hi All,

for some reason when I first open a message in wlm I hear the word payne
spoken several times. It also happens in ie. I am using the latest windows

10 and nvda. Has anyone else had this happen to them? If so, is there a
fix for it? Thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox
sendto: gmtravel@comcast.net





Re: Eloquence but that comes packaged with k1000?

Gerardo Corripio
 

Yes that's the reason I asked because I I don't know if it's meant for use with only kurzweil, or why is it available from outside of, as Sapi? Not that I'd use it, because since I've gotten so used to Vocalizer on my phone, I've gotten very used to in consequence, to Vocalizer here on NVDA; but I?m just wondering in case someone who's got kurzweil1000 on their system and hasn't noticed it.

El 22/12/2017 a las 06:30 a.m., Rui Fontes escribió:
My opinion is:
If you go strictly by the rules, you can not use, since that version is only to be used with K1000...

In a not so strictly point of view, if is SAPI4 and is legally installed on your system, you can use it with any other software...

Regards,

Rui Fontes


Às 11:40 de 22/12/2017, Gerardo Corripio escreveu:
I'm well aware that Eloquence isn't allowed on here, except that bought either through Code Factory, AT Guys and others, but for those who own Kurzweil1000 Reading software, and Eloquence (or probably not Eloquence but in my case it says Microsoft Sapi4 and when I activate it with NVDA something sounding like Eloquence comes up, is this allowed? I've only noticed this a few days back when exploring what synths are available for NVDA.
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Re: Eloquence but that comes packaged with k1000?

Rui Fontes
 

My opinion is:
If you go strictly by the rules, you can not use, since that version is only to be used with K1000...

In a not so strictly point of view, if is SAPI4 and is legally installed on your system, you can use it with any other software...

Regards,

Rui Fontes


Às 11:40 de 22/12/2017, Gerardo Corripio escreveu:

I'm well aware that Eloquence isn't allowed on here, except that bought either through Code Factory, AT Guys and others, but for those who own Kurzweil1000 Reading software, and Eloquence (or probably not Eloquence but in my case it says Microsoft Sapi4 and when I activate it with NVDA something sounding like Eloquence comes up, is this allowed? I've only noticed this a few days back when exploring what synths are available for NVDA.


Eloquence but that comes packaged with k1000?

Gerardo Corripio
 

I'm well aware that Eloquence isn't allowed on here, except that bought either through Code Factory, AT Guys and others, but for those who own Kurzweil1000 Reading software, and Eloquence (or probably not Eloquence but in my case it says Microsoft Sapi4 and when I activate it with NVDA something sounding like Eloquence comes up, is this allowed? I've only noticed this a few days back when exploring what synths are available for NVDA.

--
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Re: I hear the word payne

Gary Metzler
 

Hi Gene,
 
Thank you for the instructions.  It worked like a champ.
 

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 11:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I hear the word payne
 
First, when you use the dictionary, if you have any doubt, always check the spelling.  The spelling is p a n e, no letter y. 
 
Open the dictionary in the following manner:
Open the NVDA menu, NVDA key n. 
Down arrow to preferences and press enter.
You are now in a submenu.
Up arrow to speech dictionaries and press enter.
You will be on default dictionary.  Press enter again.
Tab once to the add button. 
Press the space bar on the button.
You are now in an edit field where you type the word.
Than tab once to the pronounced as field and press space once.  Putting a space in the pronounced as field makes NVDA not say anything when the word is encountered.
Then tab many times to the ok button and activate it.
There is another ok button.  Tab to it and activate it.
Now you should no longer hear pane.
You don't come across the word often but remember that if you do, you won't hear it so you'll have to either check the word by looking at the spelling if you come across it, or just mentally insert the word if it is the correct word by context.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Metzler
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 6:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I hear the word payne
 
Hi Gene,
 
I would appreciate help with putting the entry into the right dictionary.  Thanks,
 
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 7:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I hear the word payne
 
You could probably stop the problem by putting the word pane in the pronunciation dictionary and have NVDA not speak it.  If you don't know how, ask here.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Metzler
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 6:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I hear the word payne
 
Hi Gene,
 
In ie it only happens when I open it.  As for wlm I am using html.  Thanks for any help.
 
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 4:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I hear the word payne
 
how often does this happen when you use Internet Explorer.  Does it happen every time you open a web page?  As far as Windows Live Mail is concerned, are you reading mail as HTML or as plain text?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Hi All,
 
for some reason when I first open a message in wlm I hear the word payne spoken several times.  It also happens in ie.  I am using the latest windows 10 and nvda.  Has anyone else had this happen to them?  If so, is there a fix for it?  Thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox
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Re: I hear the word payne

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I think it when nvda has no other data from the page. The pane seems to be what is said by default when web browsers have a blank page.
I hear it when firefox boots up for the first time as well.

Is your machine particularly slow?

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Metzler" <gmtravel@comcast.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 7:10 PM
Subject: [nvda] I hear the word payne


Hi All,

for some reason when I first open a message in wlm I hear the word payne spoken several times. It also happens in ie. I am using the latest windows 10 and nvda. Has anyone else had this happen to them? If so, is there a fix for it? Thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox
sendto: gmtravel@comcast.net


Re: Is there any way to stop Windows 10 updates from interfering with my settings?

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Yes indeed I saw the same thing on my lode Windows 10 machine. Worse, as you say legacy software gets removed and you have to reinstall it.

I was pretty annoyed as the patched copy of Outlook Express I have works very well on 7 and did on 10 also, but every time a major update came along it orphaned off the software, amongst other old stuff like drivers and one had to spend half a day trying to fix it all again. There really is not reason for it, ie if they are worried that something may not work, then just warn us that this might occur, and we can take pot luck.

Sorry I feel very passionate about this continual adding of new features at the expense of familiar working ones.
Its a bit like new lamps for old in the old Aladdin fairy tale. No I want my old trusty lamp as it had known quirks, but not the new quirks on the new program.

If I had 10 pounds for everyone who has had issues with the Windows 10 Email client not working after an update, at least with a screenreader, I'd have had enough to have a nice cruise by now.
Bah humbug!

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "JM Casey" <crystallogic@ca.inter.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 8:54 PM
Subject: [nvda] Is there any way to stop Windows 10 updates from interfering with my settings?


Hi everyone.



So I've heard all the arguments and I'm not here to bitch about Windows
always wanting to update itself. However, I must say I am very annoyed.
Sometimes, when Windows updates, changes I have made continually are getting
revoked, and reset back to their original values. Examples would be Windows
Mobile Device Centre, which at some point between Anniversary and Creators'
update disabled a setting that I need to use my old Windows ME device with
the computer (a Braille note, if anyone's curious). Cortana reactivates
itself even though I specifically took action to disable it. More
pertinently to this list, a while ago I became very annoyed at the long
pauses Microsoft Core voice inserts between sentences and after detecting a
comma. I was instructed by a very helpful person on this list to edit an
.ini file, which, although it was not quite in the location he specified,
did the trick very nicely. Well, here we go again: nVDA, using MS Core
voices, is pausing for as much as two seconds between sentences, and I hate
it. Of course, I'm going to go back into that .ini file, and change it
again. How long before Microsoft, in their infinite wisdom, decides that no,
I really don't want things set the way I say I want, and undoes what I took
time and effort to change? How can I prevent this sort of garbage from
happening, or is this just the kind of thing PC users have to live with
nowadays?



Thanks in advance for any help.



JM




Re: competition

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

And who owns GW now and where is Window Eyes?
Exactly.
However I do not think people will sue unless you blatantly copy look and feel and names of things. The argument that a featre is needed by the blind I think on the whole is respected by the law. Otherwise there would only be one screenreader, just like on Apple machines gulp.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 2:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] competition


Well we can't just blame fs, look at the apple vs samsung battles big companies sue eachother.

The fact everyone let fs walk over them is unknown.

And no one cares really.




On 22/12/2017 11:41 a.m., Don H wrote:
FS generated a lawsuit against GW Micro for having the placemarker function in Window Eyes. After a lot of time and money a Judge threw the suit out.



.


Re: I hear the word payne

Gene
 

First, when you use the dictionary, if you have any doubt, always check the spelling.  The spelling is p a n e, no letter y. 
 
Open the dictionary in the following manner:
Open the NVDA menu, NVDA key n. 
Down arrow to preferences and press enter.
You are now in a submenu.
Up arrow to speech dictionaries and press enter.
You will be on default dictionary.  Press enter again.
Tab once to the add button. 
Press the space bar on the button.
You are now in an edit field where you type the word.
Than tab once to the pronounced as field and press space once.  Putting a space in the pronounced as field makes NVDA not say anything when the word is encountered.
Then tab many times to the ok button and activate it.
There is another ok button.  Tab to it and activate it.
Now you should no longer hear pane.
You don't come across the word often but remember that if you do, you won't hear it so you'll have to either check the word by looking at the spelling if you come across it, or just mentally insert the word if it is the correct word by context.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I hear the word payne

Hi Gene,
 
I would appreciate help with putting the entry into the right dictionary.  Thanks,
 
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I hear the word payne
 
You could probably stop the problem by putting the word pane in the pronunciation dictionary and have NVDA not speak it.  If you don't know how, ask here.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Metzler
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 6:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I hear the word payne
 
Hi Gene,
 
In ie it only happens when I open it.  As for wlm I am using html.  Thanks for any help.
 
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 4:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I hear the word payne
 
how often does this happen when you use Internet Explorer.  Does it happen every time you open a web page?  As far as Windows Live Mail is concerned, are you reading mail as HTML or as plain text?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Hi All,
 
for some reason when I first open a message in wlm I hear the word payne spoken several times.  It also happens in ie.  I am using the latest windows 10 and nvda.  Has anyone else had this happen to them?  If so, is there a fix for it?  Thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox
sendto: gmtravel@...