Hi all,

Well, the tests ended so fast.



The following is a community-based advisory that is mandatory for you all to
listen up and follow:



If Firefox 57 is set to prevent accessibility services, you won't be able to
use Firefox at all. The following NVDA features will fail:



* Browse mode and focus mode
* Web browser features such as elements list and first letter
navigation commands
* Object navigation and review modes
* OCR functionality



ADVISORY: when Firefox 57 lands, DO NOT check "prevent accessibility
services" checkbox in Firefox options. By default, this checkbox is
unchecked.



Technical: NVDA uses mixture of code injection and accessibility API
routines to access Firefox. However, when accessibility services are turned
off, Firefox enters a mode where the UI and browse mode functionality will
not work with screen readers. This means no announcements regarding menu
bar, no toolbar navigation feedback, no feedback when you type into address
bar, no browse mode and so on. The only way to restore it so far is
disabling the checkbox described above until NVDA finds a way to interact
with Firefox Quantum.



Cheers,

Joseph

Hi again Group,


I noticed that this is Firefox 52--a full 5 versions behind the 57
version due to be released in November. Is this at all safe?



On 10/25/2017 10:12 PM, Jaffar Sidek wrote:

There will be problems using ScreenReders with the Firefox Quantum due
to be released on November 14th. It is advised that the ESR version
of Firefox should be installed and your current personal Firefox
version be uninstalled to prevent it from automatically updating to
the latest but broken Firefox Quantum, as far as ScreenReader
usability goes. Go here to download FireFox ESR to maintain
ScreenReader usability as this version won't be updated until June of
next year, by which time, it is hoped that the personal edition of
Firefox and ScreenReader usability will be resolved.

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/

Plese press T to find the table of available languages, plus Operating
Systems, and arrow down to the appropriate language and OS of your
choice. Unfortunately, the navigation of this table is not made any
easier due to the lack of hadings, but patiently scroll down with your
arrow key and you should find what you need. Cheers!


On 26/10/2017 8:46 AM, Gene wrote:

The free upgrade won't be available after a time, I think it's a few
months from now. but you don't have to upgrade and remain upgraded.
You can upgrade and then go back to whatever you are using now.
Then, since you have upgraded, you can upgrade again later if you
wish. I don't know the details of how you upgrade again and from
what I've read, if you upgrade and then downgrade, you have to do
some things to get everything back as it was. Just because the free
upgrade is going away, that doesn't mean you have to do anything.
How old is your machine? How likely is it that it will still be
working when support ends for whatever version of Windows you are
running now? How old are your peripherals such as printer and
scanner? Are there Windows 10 drivers for them? The free upgrade
might not be so free.
Is there anything in Windows 10 you want?
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene New Zealand <mailto:hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz>
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:35 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we ready?

Hi guys


I just had a email off another list to do with another screen reader
to do with the new fire fox coming out next month the one stated in
the subject line. Are we alright to go with it as of yet? or will we
be aright with it in the next release of NVDA 2017.4 or the version
after that.


I have not got that version on this system so do not know how well it
works with it. From what i have been reading is more to do with
multii thread machines.


And older machines will slow the right down as in searching for pages
etc.


It looks also the free upgrade to windows 10 from 7,8 and 8.1 ends at
the end of this year.


So if you are able to upgrade from those operating system either
upgrade or after that date if you want to go to windows 10 you will
have to pay.


There is also some other accessibility stuff that might be of
interest to windows 10 creator update. For more info see the
following link at
https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2017/10/17/windows-10-accessibility-update/

Once i know also about the new browser and when we are able to go i
will put it back across the list in atig in new zealand.


Gene nz


--
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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where
you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can
use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To
find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert
near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains
the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the
world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

Hi guys


I just had a email off another list to do with another screen reader to do with the new fire fox coming out next month the one stated in the subject line. Are we alright to go with it as of yet? or will we be aright with it in the next release of NVDA 2017.4 or the version after that.


I have not got that version on this system so do not know how well it works with it. From what i have been reading is more to do with multii thread machines.


And older machines will slow the right down as in searching for pages etc.


It looks also the free upgrade to windows 10 from 7,8 and 8.1 ends at the end of this year.


So if you are able to upgrade from those operating system either upgrade or after that date if you want to go to windows 10 you will have to pay.


There is also some other accessibility stuff that might be of interest to windows 10 creator update. For more info see the following link at https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2017/10/17/windows-10-accessibility-update/

Once i know also about the new browser and when we are able to go i will put it back across the list in atig in new zealand.


Gene nz


--
[Image NVDA certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

Hi, John,


I'm having the problem that you had in outlook in thunderbird. I'm still having trouble trying to filter messages. I may end up going back to outlook.


Rosemarie




On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige wrote:

Microsoft's various mail programs have always been weird though. I used to use Outlook, the one that came in Office. Then I had to upgrade or migrate machines or whatever. So I exported mail and everything just like you're supposed to. Got everything installed, imported into the new Outlook. Suddenly none of my filtering rules to send messages to specific folders would work. So I literally deleted them all and recreated them from scratch, and they still wouldn't work. That's when I switched to Thunderbird and I've been using it ever since.

Be aware at any one time many stations simply do not work as stations are
always changing their streaming company and protocol or restricting access
due to copyright issues. To really get some stations it can be quite complex

involving vpns and all sorts. Why anything simple has to end up so
complicated is anybodys guess.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Griffith" <daj.griffith@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Web radio programs



Not a program but a web site.
Mike’s Radio Website.
Once you have found a station you want – focus on the link to play and the
then bring up the context menu and select save target or whatever your
browser says.
The resulting m3u or PLS file will be downloaded ready for you to transfer
across to your player.
http://www.mikesradioworld.com/

I have also a large folder of streams – hundreds of them but many will not
work now as they go offline , but many will. I can provide a sendspace link

for this if you want.
David Griffith
Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

From: Tony James
Sent: 25 October 2017 09:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Web radio programs

Hi everybody, i’m wondering if someone could share with me the name of a
accessible program for finding web radio stations that will run under win7.

I have a Book port plus which is capable of playing web radio stations, but

first I need to get them on the card. The bpp supports m3u, PLS, and aSX
stations. Thx

Get Outlook for iOS

Microsoft's various mail programs have always been weird though. I used to use Outlook, the one that came in Office. Then I had to upgrade or migrate machines or whatever. So I exported mail and everything just like you're supposed to. Got everything installed, imported into the new Outlook. Suddenly none of my filtering rules to send messages to specific folders would work. So I literally deleted them all and recreated them from scratch, and they still wouldn't work. That's when I switched to Thunderbird and I've been using it ever since.

Brian,


Isn't Webbie only available in the UK? My friend and I are in Italy...

Ciao, and thanks,

Ollie





Il 25/10/2017 17:47, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io ha scritto:

Really depends on what he wants it to do, if all he needs is an alert say for every day from a week before etc with the appointments in it and no other programs involved then it has to be the one in the Webbie web site. its stand alone, works on all windows versions and is simple to use in the extreme.
I guess you could use Google as it can span devices via the web, but there are so many other options here that you soon end up with a diary and time management suite running on every device which sometimes feels like you have a boss chasing you all day!
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Mallard" <mallard@kimabe.eu>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 4:28 PM
Subject: [nvda] What's the simplest, most accessible calendar, please?

Hello list,

A friend is asking me what is teh most accessible calendar to use with NVDA and Windows7.

I use no calendars, and have Windows10, so I can be of no help.

Would anyone have suggestions, please?

Thanks in advance.
Ciao,
Ollie

Hi Rosemarie,

I just wonder if the filters are set correctly.  To check this, click tools/filters and highlight a non working rule.  Then click edit and examine what the rule states.  If it looks good--that is to say--if all the specifications are correct, then I don't know what to tell you.  It's worth a check because of that goofy issue with selecting proper folders.

Hi, Ron,

 

I did all those steps and I still can't get messages moved to their proper folders. I've hit enter on all the folders but I'm still having some messages from other lists go to my inbox instead of their proper folders. Why isn't this working for me? In outlook, you just hit the context key and arrow down to "always move messages from" and then the name of the messages.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

On 10/25/2017 7:49 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,

 

Assuming that you have attempted to create the filters by clicking tools/filters/new, be advised that the select a folder aspect is a bit kinky with screen readers.  You must treat that list box like a combo box using alt + down arrow to open the folder list and once selecting the right folder to filter messages into, press either enter or alt + up arrow to close the box and select the folder.

 

Everyone who is new to Thunderbird (including me) seems to run across this and it is temporarily confusing until you figure out what is going on.

 

 

On 10/25/2017 7:25 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I tried but it didn't work. I selected the rule and tabbed to the run now button and hit enter but it didn't work. This isn't working out.

 

 

 

On 10/25/2017 4:20 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Thanks.

 

I'll give it another shot.

 

 

 

On 10/25/2017 4:17 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:

HI, Rosemary

Under the Tool in the main menu select Message Filters. Then, you will prompted of the list of filtered folders you've created. You need to double check and uncheck the Manual Run.

Robert Mendoza

On 10/26/2017 7:09 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Robert,

 

I already did all that. Some other messages from the other lists are still going into the inbox. I don't know what else to do.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:

subject line is intended to change to avoid confusion of the thread. About your concern for filtering particular message into your inbox in Thunderbird. you have to make sure that your focus is located to the message that is not open yet, then tab several times till the focus is directed in the recipient column. Right click then select Create Filter From. The rest of the filters process is the same as mentioned below by John. Also, make sure you uncheck the filter by manually so that it will run automatically into your corresponding filtered of your choice.

Robert Mendoza

On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, John,


Let's say you want to run a filter on a message that comes into the inbox. I've pretty muchcreated the filters but there are messages till coming into the inbox from other lists. How do you run a filter on a message?


Thanks.


Rosemarie



On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:

1. Go to the tools menu, pick message filters.


2. Tab to the new button.


3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g. from in the combo box, tell it to match nvda.


4. For the next two combo boxes, it will probably be easiest to hit alt-down arrow and expand them. Just pick whatever you like, I move mine to a folder called nvda that I made.


5. To make a folder, just pick folder from the new menu in the file menu, do that before you do a filter if you want to move stuff, because the folder has to exist for you to pick it. If you want the folder in the main account, i.e. another folder like inbox, before you make the folder, highlight your account name with the arrows. If you want everything under your inbox, so you have to hit right arrow to expand folders, highlight your inbox. The difference is that if you highlight the account, you can down arrow, so you'll get inbox, your folder, sent, trash, whatever. If you do it highlighting the inbox, inbox usually starts collapsed and you have to hit right arrow to expand it, then you hit down arrow to get to those folders, you'll go through whatever you made, then you'll get back to sent, trash, whatever.


If that's confusing somehow, feel free to ask questions.


On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, John,


How do you create filters in thunderbird or do you just delete them after reading or replying to them? Outlook is ok but It's a bit clunky.


Rosemarie




On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige wrote:

Microsoft's various mail programs have always been weird though. I used to use Outlook, the one that came in Office. Then I had to upgrade or migrate machines or whatever. So I exported mail and everything just like you're supposed to. Got everything installed, imported into the new Outlook. Suddenly none of my filtering rules to send messages to specific folders would work. So I literally deleted them all and recreated them from scratch, and they still wouldn't work. That's when I switched to Thunderbird and I've been using it ever since.

 

 

 

 

 

-- 

They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.

They ask: "How Happy are You?"

I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

 

-- 

They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.

They ask: "How Happy are You?"

I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

What do you mean some other messages from other lists.  If your rule only applies to messages with one list name, then no other messages will be affected.  You need to make a separate rule for every list.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:09 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Thunderbird filters

Hi, Robert,

I already did all that. Some other messages from the other lists are still going into the inbox. I don't know what else to do.

Rosemarie

On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:

subject line is intended to change to avoid confusion of the thread. About your concern for filtering particular message into your inbox in Thunderbird. you have to make sure that your focus is located to the message that is not open yet, then tab several times till the focus is directed in the recipient column. Right click then select Create Filter From. The rest of the filters process is the same as mentioned below by John. Also, make sure you uncheck the filter by manually so that it will run automatically into your corresponding filtered of your choice.

Robert Mendoza

On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, John,


Let's say you want to run a filter on a message that comes into the inbox. I've pretty muchcreated the filters but there are messages till coming into the inbox from other lists. How do you run a filter on a message?


Thanks.


Rosemarie



On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:

1. Go to the tools menu, pick message filters.


2. Tab to the new button.


3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g. from in the combo box, tell it to match nvda.


4. For the next two combo boxes, it will probably be easiest to hit alt-down arrow and expand them. Just pick whatever you like, I move mine to a folder called nvda that I made.


5. To make a folder, just pick folder from the new menu in the file menu, do that before you do a filter if you want to move stuff, because the folder has to exist for you to pick it. If you want the folder in the main account, i.e. another folder like inbox, before you make the folder, highlight your account name with the arrows. If you want everything under your inbox, so you have to hit right arrow to expand folders, highlight your inbox. The difference is that if you highlight the account, you can down arrow, so you'll get inbox, your folder, sent, trash, whatever. If you do it highlighting the inbox, inbox usually starts collapsed and you have to hit right arrow to expand it, then you hit down arrow to get to those folders, you'll go through whatever you made, then you'll get back to sent, trash, whatever.


If that's confusing somehow, feel free to ask questions.


On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, John,


How do you create filters in thunderbird or do you just delete them after reading or replying to them? Outlook is ok but It's a bit clunky.


Rosemarie




On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige wrote:

Microsoft's various mail programs have always been weird though. I used to use Outlook, the one that came in Office. Then I had to upgrade or migrate machines or whatever. So I exported mail and everything just like you're supposed to. Got everything installed, imported into the new Outlook. Suddenly none of my filtering rules to send messages to specific folders would work. So I literally deleted them all and recreated them from scratch, and they still wouldn't work. That's when I switched to Thunderbird and I've been using it ever since.

Hi Joseph,

So if you leave that checkbox unchecked, how accessible is Firefox Quantum then?

Hi all,

Well, the tests ended so fast…

 

The following is a community-based advisory that is mandatory for you all to listen up and follow:

 

If Firefox 57 is set to prevent accessibility services, you won’t be able to use Firefox at all. The following NVDA features will fail:

 

• Browse mode and focus mode
• Web browser features such as elements list and first letter navigation commands
• Object navigation and review modes
• OCR functionality

 

ADVISORY: when Firefox 57 lands, DO NOT check “prevent accessibility services” checkbox in Firefox options. By default, this checkbox is unchecked.

 

Technical: NVDA uses mixture of code injection and accessibility API routines to access Firefox. However, when accessibility services are turned off, Firefox enters a mode where the UI and browse mode functionality will not work with screen readers. This means no announcements regarding menu bar, no toolbar navigation feedback, no feedback when you type into address bar, no browse mode and so on. The only way to restore it so far is disabling the checkbox described above until NVDA finds a way to interact with Firefox Quantum.

 

Cheers,

Joseph

-- 

They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.

They ask: "How Happy are You?"

I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

There will be problems using ScreenReders with the Firefox Quantum due to be released on November 14th.  It is advised that the ESR version of Firefox should be installed and your current personal Firefox version be uninstalled to prevent it from automatically updating to the latest but broken Firefox Quantum, as far as ScreenReader usability goes.  Go here to download FireFox ESR to maintain ScreenReader usability as this version won't be updated until June of next year, by which time, it is hoped that the personal edition of Firefox and ScreenReader usability will be resolved.

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/

Plese press T to find the table of available languages, plus Operating Systems,  and arrow down to the appropriate language and OS of your choice.  Unfortunately, the navigation of this table is not made any easier due to the lack of hadings, but patiently scroll down with your arrow key and you should find what you need.  Cheers!

On 26/10/2017 8:46 AM, Gene wrote:

The free upgrade won't be available after a time, I think it's a few months from now.  but you don't have to upgrade and remain upgraded.  You can upgrade and then go back to whatever you are using now.  Then, since you have upgraded, you can upgrade again later if you wish.  I don't know the details of how you upgrade again and from what I've read, if you upgrade and then downgrade, you have to do some things to get everything back as it was.  Just because the free upgrade is going away, that doesn't mean you have to do anything.  How old is your machine?  How likely is it that it will still be working when support ends for whatever version of Windows you are running now?  How old are your peripherals such as printer and scanner?  Are there Windows 10 drivers for them?  The free upgrade might not be so free.

 

Is there anything in Windows 10 you want? 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene New Zealand

Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:35 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Firefox Quantum. ver 57 are we ready?

Hi guys

I just had a email off another list to do with another screen reader to do with the new fire fox coming out next month the one stated in the subject line. Are we alright to go with it as of yet? or will we be aright with it in the next release of NVDA 2017.4 or the version after that.

I have not got that version on this system so do not know how well it works with it. From what i have been reading is more to do with multii thread machines.

And older machines will slow the right down as in searching for pages etc.

It looks also the free upgrade to windows 10 from 7,8 and 8.1 ends at the end of this year.

So if you are able to upgrade from those operating system either upgrade or after that date if you want to go to windows 10 you will have to pay.

There is also some other accessibility stuff that might be of interest to windows 10 creator update. For more info see the following link at https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2017/10/17/windows-10-accessibility-update/

Once i know also about the new browser and when we are able to go i will put it back across the list in atig in new zealand.

Gene nz

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

Hi Group,

Assuming that you have attempted to create the filters by clicking tools/filters/new, be advised that the select a folder aspect is a bit kinky with screen readers.  You must treat that list box like a combo box using alt + down arrow to open the folder list and once selecting the right folder to filter messages into, press either enter or alt + up arrow to close the box and select the folder.

Everyone who is new to Thunderbird (including me) seems to run across this and it is temporarily confusing until you figure out what is going on.

On 10/25/2017 7:25 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I tried but it didn't work. I selected the rule and tabbed to the run now button and hit enter but it didn't work. This isn't working out.

On 10/25/2017 4:20 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Thanks.

I'll give it another shot.

On 10/25/2017 4:17 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:

HI, Rosemary

Under the Tool in the main menu select Message Filters. Then, you will prompted of the list of filtered folders you've created. You need to double check and uncheck the Manual Run.

Robert Mendoza

On 10/26/2017 7:09 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Robert,

I already did all that. Some other messages from the other lists are still going into the inbox. I don't know what else to do.

Rosemarie

On 10/25/2017 4:07 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:

subject line is intended to change to avoid confusion of the thread. About your concern for filtering particular message into your inbox in Thunderbird. you have to make sure that your focus is located to the message that is not open yet, then tab several times till the focus is directed in the recipient column. Right click then select Create Filter From. The rest of the filters process is the same as mentioned below by John. Also, make sure you uncheck the filter by manually so that it will run automatically into your corresponding filtered of your choice.

Robert Mendoza

On 10/26/2017 6:36 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, John,


Let's say you want to run a filter on a message that comes into the inbox. I've pretty muchcreated the filters but there are messages till coming into the inbox from other lists. How do you run a filter on a message?


Thanks.


Rosemarie



On 10/25/2017 3:03 PM, John Isige wrote:

1. Go to the tools menu, pick message filters.


2. Tab to the new button.


3. Fill in whatever rules you want, e.g. from in the combo box, tell it to match nvda.


4. For the next two combo boxes, it will probably be easiest to hit alt-down arrow and expand them. Just pick whatever you like, I move mine to a folder called nvda that I made.


5. To make a folder, just pick folder from the new menu in the file menu, do that before you do a filter if you want to move stuff, because the folder has to exist for you to pick it. If you want the folder in the main account, i.e. another folder like inbox, before you make the folder, highlight your account name with the arrows. If you want everything under your inbox, so you have to hit right arrow to expand folders, highlight your inbox. The difference is that if you highlight the account, you can down arrow, so you'll get inbox, your folder, sent, trash, whatever. If you do it highlighting the inbox, inbox usually starts collapsed and you have to hit right arrow to expand it, then you hit down arrow to get to those folders, you'll go through whatever you made, then you'll get back to sent, trash, whatever.


If that's confusing somehow, feel free to ask questions.


On 10/25/2017 13:26, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, John,


How do you create filters in thunderbird or do you just delete them after reading or replying to them? Outlook is ok but It's a bit clunky.


Rosemarie




On 10/25/2017 10:02 AM, John Isige wrote:

Microsoft's various mail programs have always been weird though. I used to use Outlook, the one that came in Office. Then I had to upgrade or migrate machines or whatever. So I exported mail and everything just like you're supposed to. Got everything installed, imported into the new Outlook. Suddenly none of my filtering rules to send messages to specific folders would work. So I literally deleted them all and recreated them from scratch, and they still wouldn't work. That's when I switched to Thunderbird and I've been using it ever since.

-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

There will be a problem when browsing through very dense web pages with lots of links and info.  I just tried  facebook.com, talksport.com, bbcNews.com, these pages are so sluggish that it would be better to use internet explorer instead.  Cheers!

Hi gene

 

I downloaded the 57 beta a little while ago and found the setting he was talking about. Mine was already unchecked. I downloaded the beta of 57 and i am just looking around now.

 

The menus are been spoken. The quick navigation keys seem to be working etc.

 

There is a little lag some times when you go to the menus and or left or right arrow. I was just having a look in the options section it looks like only 4 tabs now

 

I have read a couple of articles so far from our stuff website and gone back and forth between pages.

 

as mentioned there is a little lag at times seems no worser than 56 actually at a few times seemed quicker.

 

Now and again you have to refresh the page as like the page does not load and using the f5 key lets it load.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 10/26/2017 4:43 PM, Gene wrote:

How do you disable it if you can't work with menus and all the other structures you discussed?  Can you use the command alt t then o to get into the options dialog and can it be worked with?  Are you saying that we need to check this check box in the options dialog?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 10:34 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Mandatory advisory: when Firefox 57 lands, do NOT check "prevent accessibility services" checkbox

 

Hi all,

Well, the tests ended so fast…

 

The following is a community-based advisory that is mandatory for you all to listen up and follow:

 

If Firefox 57 is set to prevent accessibility services, you won’t be able to use Firefox at all. The following NVDA features will fail:

 

• Browse mode and focus mode
• Web browser features such as elements list and first letter navigation commands
• Object navigation and review modes
• OCR functionality

 

ADVISORY: when Firefox 57 lands, DO NOT check “prevent accessibility services” checkbox in Firefox options. By default, this checkbox is unchecked.

 

Technical: NVDA uses mixture of code injection and accessibility API routines to access Firefox. However, when accessibility services are turned off, Firefox enters a mode where the UI and browse mode functionality will not work with screen readers. This means no announcements regarding menu bar, no toolbar navigation feedback, no feedback when you type into address bar, no browse mode and so on. The only way to restore it so far is disabling the checkbox described above until NVDA finds a way to interact with Firefox Quantum.

 

Cheers,

Joseph

 

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

Hi Joseph

Why would they put in such a setting?

I am guessing if checked it would speed up the browser for the sighted but be use less if checked for us.

Gene nz

Hi,

You need to keep this checkbox unchecked. And I haven’t found an easy way to reverse this at the moment (Alt+T, O won’t work here).

Cheers,

Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 8:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mandatory advisory: when Firefox 57 lands, do NOT check "prevent accessibility services" checkbox

 

How do you disable it if you can't work with menus and all the other structures you discussed?  Can you use the command alt t then o to get into the options dialog and can it be worked with?  Are you saying that we need to check this check box in the options dialog?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 10:34 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Mandatory advisory: when Firefox 57 lands, do NOT check "prevent accessibility services" checkbox

 

Hi all,

Well, the tests ended so fast…

 

The following is a community-based advisory that is mandatory for you all to listen up and follow:

 

If Firefox 57 is set to prevent accessibility services, you won’t be able to use Firefox at all. The following NVDA features will fail:

 

• Browse mode and focus mode
• Web browser features such as elements list and first letter navigation commands
• Object navigation and review modes
• OCR functionality

 

ADVISORY: when Firefox 57 lands, DO NOT check “prevent accessibility services” checkbox in Firefox options. By default, this checkbox is unchecked.

 

Technical: NVDA uses mixture of code injection and accessibility API routines to access Firefox. However, when accessibility services are turned off, Firefox enters a mode where the UI and browse mode functionality will not work with screen readers. This means no announcements regarding menu bar, no toolbar navigation feedback, no feedback when you type into address bar, no browse mode and so on. The only way to restore it so far is disabling the checkbox described above until NVDA finds a way to interact with Firefox Quantum.

 

Cheers,

Joseph

Hi gene

I downloaded the 57 beta a little while ago and found the setting he was talking about. Mine was already unchecked. I downloaded the beta of 57 and i am just looking around now.

The menus are been spoken. The quick navigation keys seem to be working etc.

There is a little lag some times when you go to the menus and or left or right arrow. I was just having a look in the options section it looks like only 4 tabs now

I have read a couple of articles so far from our stuff website and gone back and forth between pages.

as mentioned there is a little lag at times seems no worser than 56 actually at a few times seemed quicker.

Now and again you have to refresh the page as like the page does not load and using the f5 key lets it load.

Gene nz

On 10/26/2017 4:43 PM, Gene wrote:

How do you disable it if you can't work with menus and all the other structures you discussed?  Can you use the command alt t then o to get into the options dialog and can it be worked with?  Are you saying that we need to check this check box in the options dialog?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 10:34 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Mandatory advisory: when Firefox 57 lands, do NOT check "prevent accessibility services" checkbox

Hi all,

Well, the tests ended so fast…

 

The following is a community-based advisory that is mandatory for you all to listen up and follow:

 

If Firefox 57 is set to prevent accessibility services, you won’t be able to use Firefox at all. The following NVDA features will fail:

 

• Browse mode and focus mode
• Web browser features such as elements list and first letter navigation commands
• Object navigation and review modes
• OCR functionality

 

ADVISORY: when Firefox 57 lands, DO NOT check “prevent accessibility services” checkbox in Firefox options. By default, this checkbox is unchecked.

 

Technical: NVDA uses mixture of code injection and accessibility API routines to access Firefox. However, when accessibility services are turned off, Firefox enters a mode where the UI and browse mode functionality will not work with screen readers. This means no announcements regarding menu bar, no toolbar navigation feedback, no feedback when you type into address bar, no browse mode and so on. The only way to restore it so far is disabling the checkbox described above until NVDA finds a way to interact with Firefox Quantum.

 

Cheers,

Joseph

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

Hello!

I purchased, installed, and registered the CodeFactory Eloquence and
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voices are active and working. However, after I turn off my computer and
turn it back on again, when I load NVDA, the voices are no longer there and
the system asks me to register them again; I have done this three or four
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