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Re: Determining what settings in group policy are causing NVDA to not pick up data from controols

Luke Davis
 

On Tue, 1 Sep 2020, Pranav Lal wrote:

Hi Luke,
<snip The issue goes away if you install as an admin user.
PL] HMM, I was running the installer with elevated privilege's and not as an
administrative user. You make a very interesting point. I wonder how to
determine whether the problem is NVDA or the installer?
I think I raised this issue on the addons or devel lists, I can't remember which, last year.

Somebody was able to point to what might be happening, but it didn't present any obvious way to solve the problem, other than to install using an admin account, or rewrite the Null-Soft installer.

Luke


Re: Extra verbosity in Thunderbird

Hope Williamson <webspinner@...>
 

It says 68.12.0. Although that's strange because it just updated a few
days ago.


For PowerShell users: if you get a warning about PSReadLine in PowerShell 7...

 

Hi all,

 

The following was discussed on a Windows 10 forum, but it prominently affects NVDA users who use PowerShell:

In PowerShell 7, a message about PSReadLine will be printed. This happens if PowerShell detects that you are using a screen reader that sets system-wide screen reader active flag while running. So far, NVDA and JAWS users are affected, and initial research shows that this warning was ultimately caused by compatibility issues between PowerShell 7 and NVDA.

In the meantime, if you do need to use PSReadLine module, do either;
1. From PowerShell, type “Import-Module PSReadLine” (without quotes) and press Enter. There are ways to do this automatically which will involve editing your PowerShell profile and using a script file.

2. If NVDA is installed, restart NVDA with screen reader flag off (Run dialog, “nvda –no-sr-flag” without quotes). This means apps that rely on screen reader flag will not be able to detect that NVDA is running, and should be used as a temporary workaround.

I began reaching out to PowerShell engineers at Microsoft in hopes of getting to the bottom of this – finding out which compatibility issues were identified in hopes that it can be resolved soon.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: sapi4?

Quentin Christensen
 

Which SAPI 4 engines are you using? (and are they (legally) free to download?  I still don't have a SAPI4 engine to test with)

If you try SAPI5 or eSpeak-NG or something else does it work?  (Just ascertaining the issue is with SAPI4 / those voices rather than say your sound driver)

Quentin.



On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 9:54 PM mattias <mjonsson1986@...> wrote:

I have at least 2 sapi4 engines installed but still get?

ERROR - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (13:52:07.584) - MainThread (12964):

setSynth

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "synthDriverHandler.pyc", line 448, in setSynth

  File "synthDriverHandler.pyc", line 419, in getSynthInstance

  File "synthDrivers\sapi4.pyc", line 83, in __init__

  File "comtypes\__init__.pyc", line 1225, in CoCreateInstance

  File "_ctypes/callproc.c", line 935, in GetResult

OSError: [WinError -2147024770] Det går inte att hitta den angivna modulen

 

Skickades från E-post för Windows 10

 



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Re: Determining what settings in group policy are causing NVDA to not pick up data from controols

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Luke,
<snip The issue goes away if you install as an admin user.
PL] HMM, I was running the installer with elevated privilege's and not as an
administrative user. You make a very interesting point. I wonder how to
determine whether the problem is NVDA or the installer?

Pranav


Re: Determining what settings in group policy are causing NVDA to not pick up data from controols

Luke Davis
 

On Sun, 30 Aug 2020, Pranav Lal wrote:

I was trying to install mysql and found the installer to be inaccessible.
This was on my work laptop. I tried the installation on my home machine and
had no problems.

Many screens in the installer were being reported as "unknown" by NVDA.
Are there settings in windows group policy which would cause NVDA not to
see controls correctly?
I don't know the answer to that question.
However I do know, that some installers, when run as a non-admin user who then has to elevate using a password, do not work correctly.
I have found this, for example, with NotepadPlusPlus, among others.

The issue goes away if you install as an admin user.

Luke


Re: Extra verbosity in Thunderbird

 

I'm running Thunderbird 78.2.0, and have same issues. I recall that this was supposed to be fixed.





On 8/31/2020 2:49 PM, Robert Logue wrote:

I'm reading messages in TB but am now getting extra verbiage such as notifications about what TB is doing while NVDA is automatically reading the new message.


Reads something like this:

I bolded the extra verbage.

Moved 9 messages from NVDA to Trash
Loading Message…
Re: [nvda] Why isn’t there a browse mode for windows desktop apps?
Hi,
  Apart from recent apps, traditional desktop apps are not really web documents nor exposes elements   in a way that is suitable for browse mode navigation.
bobcat11@...: Moving message to Trash…
Therefore there is no need for a dedicated   browse mode functionality....



Re: extra verbage in g mail

mcLeod stinnett
 

correction to my last message. the extra verbage is "click to learn more, link"
from mack


extra verbage in g mail

mcLeod stinnett
 

-
from mack using win 7 64 bit with latest NVDA. I must have checked a box in prefferances. using the wev interface with chrome to read my emails in G mail. every time I check the box to delete messages in the inbox or in the trash folder, and then perform the delete function, NVDA says "alert, click to learn" No bid deal really, I can still do everything I need to do, just wondering why the extra verbage and can I turn it off, thanks.


Re: Extra verbosity in Thunderbird

David Goldfield
 

Which version of Thunderbird are you using?


David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

www.davidgoldfield.org
On 8/31/2020 2:49 PM, Robert Logue wrote:

I'm reading messages in TB but am now getting extra verbiage such as notifications about what TB is doing while NVDA is automatically reading the new message.


Reads something like this:

I bolded the extra verbage.

Moved 9 messages from NVDA to Trash
Loading Message…
Re: [nvda] Why isn’t there a browse mode for windows desktop apps?
Hi,
  Apart from recent apps, traditional desktop apps are not really web documents nor exposes elements   in a way that is suitable for browse mode navigation.
bobcat11@...: Moving message to Trash…
Therefore there is no need for a dedicated   browse mode functionality....



Re: problem with search edit box in folders

Robert Logue
 

I think there are advantages to needing to press enter in search.  Some screen readers would start talking to much. And:Slow computers would have trouble keeping up when it would start searching as soon as you type.


Even my very fast laptop with ssd would really struggle and NVDA would talk to much and I'd loose focus.


It would be nice to have the option to switch behaviors.


Bob

On 2020-08-11 1:57 p.m., JM Casey wrote:
I've had to press enter for a while now. Not sure when it started but maybe an update or so ago for me (and I'm still on 1909). But alt-tab? That is strange. You mean there is a separate window coming up? Or are results not showing up until you return to your initial file explorer window..maybe not being recognised by nVDA?



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of seb naudet
Sent: August 11, 2020 6:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] problem with search edit box in folders

Hello list,

i've recently updated my windows 10 pro (64-bit) Version 2004 (10.0.19041)

and last NVDA available.

when i search for a file in a folder i now have to press enter after typing the name, and alt tab to see the result of my search.

quite complicate compared with previous version of windows.

any idea to simplify access to search results?


thank you









Re: Extra verbosity in Thunderbird

David Goldfield
 

Hope,

Are you using Thunderbird V78? Forgive me if you've mentioned this in a previous message that I may not have read. I thought this issue was fixed for that version.

David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

www.davidgoldfield.org

On 8/31/2020 3:07 PM, Hope Williamson wrote:
Yeah I have the same issue. It's pretty annoying. Especially when it
keeps saying downloading however many messages. I tried turning off the
status bar thing, and it still does it.


Re: issues with quick nav of thunderbird and NVDA

David Goldfield
 

This interests me because I also notice similar behavior with version 3.0 of this addon. The addon appears to work as expected until I restart TB. Upon restarting TB the addon is still enabled but the addon itself acts as if it has been disabled. First letter navigation does not move to the relevant folder and the addon's option does not appear in the context menu. If I go into addon settings and disable the addon and then enable it the addon works properly once again until I close and restart TB. I wrote to the addon author who was unable to reproduce the issue. I then asked about it on the Thunderbird support list and was given a suggestion which didn't work for me. I have reinstalled TB as well as removed and then reinstalled the addon.


David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

www.davidgoldfield.org
On 8/31/2020 3:40 PM, Dan Beaver wrote:

Yeah, but with the newest version there are still issues.  I have to go in and disable and then

re-enable the extension every time I bring up Thunderbird.


I wish someone could do something about it because it is getting irritating. ;)


Dan Beaver

On 8/31/2020 2:41 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Bob,

          I would uninstall and reinstall Quick Folder Navigation if the version you have went in a long while ago.  There have been some recent updates related to compatibility with the more recent versions of Thunderbird.

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A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

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Re: NVDA read-to-end

Robert Logue
 

I've done just this so many times till I finally realized the difference in layouts.  I have a laptop and a desktop and keep switching and forgetting keystrokes.


I need to be careful using nvda plus a to read to end while in thunderbird as a alone archives a message. 


Bob


On 2020-08-24 10:54 p.m., Quentin Christensen wrote:
Are you using NVDA in desktop keyboard layout or laptop keyboard layout?  NVDA+down arrow is the Desktop layout keystroke to read to end.  NVDA+a is the laptop keyboard layout shortcut.

To make it a bit more confusing, NVDA+down arrow, in laptop keyboard layout, moves the review cursor to the next line, so if you are in laptop layout and press that keystroke, it will seem like you've entered the read to end command and NVDA is simply reading the next line down and then stopping.

If you are definitely in desktop keyboard layout and NVDA is stopping partway through a paragraph, could you please give a bit more information about the exact program you are in or where it does and does not work?

Kind regards

Quentin.
Quentin.

On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 4:27 AM Hettie <woehler.hettie@...> wrote:

Hi all

Sorry, I didn't pay attention when this topic was discussed in earlier posts as I haven't come accross that problem then.

Now however I do experience nvda reading to the end of the paragraph when pressing the nvda + down-arrow keys. Unfortunately I haven't seen a post with the solution. Can you please help ?

Thanks.


Hettie



On 2020/08/21 2:25 pm, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:

Hello,

Go to the NVDA icon in the systray by pressing Windows-B (on your Mac keyboard Option-B), hit the letter N until you come to NVDA and press Enter

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES) via groups.io
Sent: Freitag, 21. August 2020 13:54
To: NVDA@NVDA.Groups.IO
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Menu

 

Hi friends,

 

I Have installed NVDA on a machine which has a bluetooth keyboard and I can’t find the insert key, not sure if it has one, it is the Apple style layout.

I Need to bring up the NVDA menu to go in to the options and change the keyboard layout to be laptop but I can’t perform an instert+n, does anyone know of another way to bring up the NVDA menu please?

 



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Re: issues with quick nav of thunderbird and NVDA

Dan Beaver
 

Yeah, but with the newest version there are still issues.  I have to go in and disable and then

re-enable the extension every time I bring up Thunderbird.


I wish someone could do something about it because it is getting irritating. ;)


Dan Beaver

On 8/31/2020 2:41 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Bob,

          I would uninstall and reinstall Quick Folder Navigation if the version you have went in a long while ago.  There have been some recent updates related to compatibility with the more recent versions of Thunderbird.

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Re: Extra verbosity in Thunderbird

 

Hello all,

I also have the status bar of Thunderbird showing in the program's main window and I don't observe the described behavior. But I'm reading messages from the main window of Thunderbird (via the message list and the message pane). Most screen reader users seam to read messages in a separate window. And we come to the main thing here - the option to show/hide the status bar in Thunderbird is independent for the separate Thunderbird windows like the main window, the optional separate window for message reading, the message composer window, etc. So, if you've disabled the status bar from within Thunderbird's main window, it will not affect its behavior for the message reading window and it will probably still be visible in it. And if you're reading messages from within that message reading window, this may be why you still hear those messages - the status bar is still shown for the message reading window.

Mind you, this automatic speaking of status bar messages should not be happening even with the status bar shown It was fixed for the main window of Thunderbird, but not for the other windows like the ones for message reading and for composing a message. This should be reported to and fixed by the Thunderbird developers. Has anyone done that? If not, I may do it these days. The only place that I find this automatic speaking of status bar messages useful is in the a"Advanced Search" window, where thanks to those messages I know the status of the performed search, without needing to manually read the status bar.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

На 31.8.2020 г. в 22:07, Hope Williamson написа:

Yeah I have the same issue. It's pretty annoying. Especially when it
keeps saying downloading however many messages. I tried turning off the
status bar thing, and it still does it.




Re: issues with quick nav of thunderbird and NVDA

Robert Logue
 

Good idea Brian.  I'll do that now. 


Bob


On 2020-08-31 12:41 p.m., Brian Vogel wrote:
Bob,

          I would uninstall and reinstall Quick Folder Navigation if the version you have went in a long while ago.  There have been some recent updates related to compatibility with the more recent versions of Thunderbird.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Re: Extra verbosity in Thunderbird

Hope Williamson <webspinner@...>
 

Yeah I have the same issue. It's pretty annoying. Especially when it
keeps saying downloading however many messages. I tried turning off the
status bar thing, and it still does it.


Extra verbosity in Thunderbird

Robert Logue
 

I'm reading messages in TB but am now getting extra verbiage such as notifications about what TB is doing while NVDA is automatically reading the new message.


Reads something like this:

I bolded the extra verbage.

Moved 9 messages from NVDA to Trash
Loading Message…
Re: [nvda] Why isn’t there a browse mode for windows desktop apps?
Hi,
  Apart from recent apps, traditional desktop apps are not really web documents nor exposes elements   in a way that is suitable for browse mode navigation.
bobcat11@...: Moving message to Trash…
Therefore there is no need for a dedicated   browse mode functionality....



Re: issues with quick nav of thunderbird and NVDA

 

Bob,

          I would uninstall and reinstall Quick Folder Navigation if the version you have went in a long while ago.  There have been some recent updates related to compatibility with the more recent versions of Thunderbird.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 

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