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Re: Getting NVDA to Talk without sound caard

Gene
 

If you don't install the actual driver, you usually won't get most features the sound card provides.  But just for playing, they will generally play because Windows uses a generic driver for that purpose that works with USB sound cards in general. 
 
Gene

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Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 4:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting NVDA to Talk without sound caard

Actually most soundcards that are usb will work without drivers.

I have andriea electronics and creative sound cards that work without
any sound drivers.]

However on the creative card there is no effects and on the andriea
electronics you can't adjust the volume that well but it runs fine.




On 10/10/2017 8:34 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
> WEll that depends. I don't think XP was as good at doing this as later
> versions of windows, but obviously its worth a try for a start.
> Certainly the very cheap creative usb  audio dongle managed to work
> with apparently no software on xp, It was ok as anoutput device, but
> only had a microphone input, but what do you want for under15 uk pounds.
> Brian
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 10:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting NVDA to Talk without sound caard
>
>
> That's a lot of work without trying other options first.  We don't
> know what has been removed but if you have a USB sound card or
> headphones, connecting them may give you sound.  You can buy cheap
> sound cards for ten U.S. dollars or perhaps less so you can try the
> experiment for little expense if you don't currently have a sound
> card.  Or you might be able to borrow a sound card or USB headphones.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Shaun Everiss
> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 2:33 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting NVDA to Talk without sound caard
>
>
> I would simply reformat the system and next time don't kill everything
>
>
>
>
> On 10/10/2017 8:27 a.m., Howard Traxler wrote:
>> I have an older computer running windows XP.  Being totally stupid, I
>> deleted the audio drivers and lots of other stuff that might have been
>> necessary to run things.  It seems that it boots ok but now I'd like
>> to get it to talk or even to run its alva braille display.  I think I
>> have JAWS 9 on it--which, of course, won't talk or display.  But now,
>> I've created a portable copy of NVDA, thinking that maybe I can
>> somehow make the machine talk enough to get its drivers back and make
>> it talk normally again.
>>
>> Any ideas about this situation?  Thank you anybody.
>>
>> Howard
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>




Re: How to set Acrobat Reader DC for PDF files

 

Bing is ok, its just we have no choice.

I have gotten round with bing 2 google converters but yeah anything you search from that pesky search box goes to bing.

Everything else works fine though.

On 10/10/2017 9:37 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes I hate bing. I could not find a legal way to alter it either.
However in some circumstances it can be handy to have more than one browser running of course, but I just found Edge changed things for no good reason other than because they decided they would.
I was hoping when I get my next win 10 machine that this might be optional behaviour by then.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to set Acrobat Reader DC for PDF files


It's not a question of fixing anything.  Windows 10 forces certain things to display using Edge.  The user intentionally isn't given a choice.  Microsoft didn't give away Windows for a year for nothing.  Nothing is free.  This is to Microsoft's advantage, because they can charge more to those who advertise on the Windows search feature using Edge to display results.

As I recall, if you use cortana, (spelling) for searches, Edge is forced to be used and Bing.

Gene
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Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 2:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to set Acrobat Reader DC for PDF files


Have they fixed that windows 10 issue where certain parts of windows uses
edge even if you use another  browser by default, yet?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Nevzat Adil" <nevzatadil@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 12:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to set Acrobat Reader DC for PDF files


Thanks Gene. It worked. I forgot to say my default browser is Firefox.
Nevzat

On 10/9/17, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz> wrote:
hi


the first thing i would do is in the defaults apps change the browser
from
edge to another one. that should stop it from opening in edge.


use the windows key + letter I then go to apps press enter key then down
to
default apps. Locate the browser and change it from edge to another if on
there.


the next thing i would do is locate the pdf document then use the
applications key. Arrow down to open with adobe dc reader then press the
enter key It may give you the option to keep it as default.


It not there it should give you the option to choose another app then
press
the enter key. Under the list there pick adobe dc reader then the next
time
you tab it will give you the option a check box to use that program every
time make sure it is checked then tab down to ok and press the enter key.


Now you should be right.


hope it helps.


Gene nz


On 10/10/2017 10:47 AM, Nevzat Adil wrote:

Hello everyone,

I have no idea how it happened, but for sometime now Microsoft Edge
reads my PDF files instead of Acrobat Reader DC, something I do not
caer for.
I'd like to set Acrobat Reader DC as my default reader for PDF files.
Will someone instruct me how to do this?
My screen reader is NVDA and  OS Windows 10.
Thanks.
Nevzat





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Re: something people should be aware of

 

Well I do hope you can turn off all the stuff you don't want.

However ofcause if you could set phrases if you need to have it do things for spaciffic things well.

Sure it can suggest and advertise for you, however if you can't control it at all its basically useless.

And to be honest on a really serious note, with the death of ms music, if this gets any worse, I am seriously going to have to just not sign in with an ms account or maybe never use win10 and remain on  7 for ever or xp or something if it starts getting me angry or something really stupid.

Maybe I will have to download one of those dodgy spyware full antispyware software and turn a lot of stuff off breaking a whole lot of things.

The thing is we really need control, and I just don't see much of it.

There was a worrying article released on news that ms from consumer point of view seems to be servicing businesses instead of its standard user base anymore.

Unsure if its true but reguardless of this, there are so many settings, tips, suggestions, adds, and the like I have to turn off that its a real pain and takes more and more time during setup.

I bet you that when the big update comes out next week I will be sitting at the system, checking through settings and turning a lot of things off again.

On 10/10/2017 9:08 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I think the worrying part to this is that it means its reading your live chat from the keyboard and I can just imagine it adding a new message when you pause telling you when you mention  blindd that a shop selling blinds is just down the road.. grin.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene New Zealand" <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 8:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] something people should be aware of


Hi


It says it in the link that was given. It is going to be part of skype but looks more like the metro apps at present. We will find out shortly how much it gets used .


I will be looking forwards to playing with it not much different from using a voice assistant on your phone i guess.


Gene nz


On 10/10/2017 3:19 PM, zahra wrote:

hi.
i opened the link and only the informations were about cortana!
where can i read the informations about skype?

On 10/10/17, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz> wrote:


Hi


does not worry me. At present it will be for apple devices and android
ones.it did not mention windows devices nor windows computers as of yet.


it does not say any thing about the desk top version of skype either.


Gene nz


On 10/10/2017 1:55 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi.

was reading skype blogs and found this.

https://blogs.skype.com/news/2017/10/09/introducing-cortana-skype-microsofts-intelligent-assistant-comes-chat-window/

I really hope that there will be a way to make this shove right off if one
wants to.

There is nothing worse than something bringing up suggestions and thinking
what to say, if I want this now then I can put several bits of spyware and
ransom ware on my system, and forget about skype.

While I see a benifit in this, I really hope we can envoke this at will, if
not then maybe I will have to use windows xp for skype instead <sigh>






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Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.







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Re: something people should be aware of

 

Well I do hope we don't use all of them all at once.

However if you had them in some sort iof array and needed to do extra queries about things then maybe.

Siri is quite acurate for apple googles one has a few more advantages, amazons stuff is growing ms I don't know but yeah, if something used all of them and then one of them gave the answer you needed that would be good.

Obviously I hope one could just use which one he or she wanted, but there is no reason that they all couldn't talk together about an issue, ofcause there would be data and abattery things if all had to upload to eachother but maybe it could be compressed.

Right now though if you have apple you have siri with google you have google.

With samsung you have samsung whatever they use.

So as long as you don't install their apps of various things technically who knows.

I do hope you can set control of whatever you have.

On the other hand if you could run all of them, then only have one envoke with its word and well depending on where etc you chose.

Though if they all ran together hmmm.

On 10/10/2017 8:52 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
It only mentions the smart phone versions here. I unfortunately can see a day when we have multiple voice and text accessible assistants on every device, all arguing with each other about what you actually wanted in the first place
New scientist is calling AI Artificial Ignorance, by the way.
I feel that we should be able to define the areas of our lives these things can get involved in, and how long before some smarty pants comes up with one that asks them all and presents all their answers in a usable way.

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 1:55 AM
Subject: [nvda] something people should be aware of


Hi.

was reading skype blogs and found this.

https://blogs.skype.com/news/2017/10/09/introducing-cortana-skype-microsofts-intelligent-assistant-comes-chat-window/

I really hope that there will be a way to make this shove right off if one wants to.

There is nothing worse than something bringing up suggestions and thinking what to say, if I want this now then I can put several bits of spyware and ransom ware on my system, and forget about skype.

While I see a benifit in this, I really hope we can envoke this at will, if not then maybe I will have to use windows xp for skype instead <sigh>






.


Re: Getting NVDA to Talk without sound caard

 

Actually most soundcards that are usb will work without drivers.

I have andriea electronics and creative sound cards that work without any sound drivers.]

However on the creative card there is no effects and on the andriea electronics you can't adjust the volume that well but it runs fine.

On 10/10/2017 8:34 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
WEll that depends. I don't think XP was as good at doing this as later versions of windows, but obviously its worth a try for a start. Certainly the very cheap creative usb  audio dongle managed to work with apparently no software on xp, It was ok as anoutput device, but only had a microphone input, but what do you want for under15 uk pounds.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting NVDA to Talk without sound caard


That's a lot of work without trying other options first.  We don't know what has been removed but if you have a USB sound card or headphones, connecting them may give you sound.  You can buy cheap sound cards for ten U.S. dollars or perhaps less so you can try the experiment for little expense if you don't currently have a sound card.  Or you might be able to borrow a sound card or USB headphones.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 2:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting NVDA to Talk without sound caard


I would simply reformat the system and next time don't kill everything




On 10/10/2017 8:27 a.m., Howard Traxler wrote:
I have an older computer running windows XP.  Being totally stupid, I
deleted the audio drivers and lots of other stuff that might have been
necessary to run things.  It seems that it boots ok but now I'd like
to get it to talk or even to run its alva braille display.  I think I
have JAWS 9 on it--which, of course, won't talk or display.  But now,
I've created a portable copy of NVDA, thinking that maybe I can
somehow make the machine talk enough to get its drivers back and make
it talk normally again.

Any ideas about this situation?  Thank you anybody.

Howard








.


Re: failure when installing Microsoft Speech Platform Voices

 

Well sadly the standard installer for firefox will always install 32 bit I have downloaded 64 bit manually

There are various reasons why you have to use 32 bit currently from ms anyway ibm thinkpads and asus rog gaming units have issues with firefox64 due to some stuff they use, and so they should use 32 bit.

I have never had issues with firefox 64 though.

On 10/10/2017 8:20 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Has anything been run like for example a registry cleaner? There were issues about getting the 32 bit and 64 bit parts mixed up I seem to recall, but the web site seems to suggest it will work on 10, it certainly does on 7.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Vicki" <vwherry4@comcast.net>
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Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 7:41 PM
Subject: [nvda] failure when installing Microsoft Speech Platform Voices


A few days ago I asked about installing Microsoft Speech Platform voices.

The synthesizer shows up in my list of options, but when I select it, I get an error message telling me  that it cannot be loaded.

Any suggestions?

Thanks.

Vicki




Apologies messages arriving out of order again today

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It tends to make some of my replies either pointless or silly.
Quite why my isps servers do this is anyyones guess.
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Re: How to set Acrobat Reader DC for PDF files

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Yes I hate bing. I could not find a legal way to alter it either.
However in some circumstances it can be handy to have more than one browser running of course, but I just found Edge changed things for no good reason other than because they decided they would.
I was hoping when I get my next win 10 machine that this might be optional behaviour by then.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to set Acrobat Reader DC for PDF files


It's not a question of fixing anything. Windows 10 forces certain things to display using Edge. The user intentionally isn't given a choice. Microsoft didn't give away Windows for a year for nothing. Nothing is free. This is to Microsoft's advantage, because they can charge more to those who advertise on the Windows search feature using Edge to display results.

As I recall, if you use cortana, (spelling) for searches, Edge is forced to be used and Bing.

Gene
----- Original Message -----


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Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 2:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to set Acrobat Reader DC for PDF files


Have they fixed that windows 10 issue where certain parts of windows uses
edge even if you use another browser by default, yet?
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 12:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to set Acrobat Reader DC for PDF files


Thanks Gene. It worked. I forgot to say my default browser is Firefox.
Nevzat

On 10/9/17, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz> wrote:
hi


the first thing i would do is in the defaults apps change the browser
from
edge to another one. that should stop it from opening in edge.


use the windows key + letter I then go to apps press enter key then down
to
default apps. Locate the browser and change it from edge to another if on
there.


the next thing i would do is locate the pdf document then use the
applications key. Arrow down to open with adobe dc reader then press the
enter key It may give you the option to keep it as default.


It not there it should give you the option to choose another app then
press
the enter key. Under the list there pick adobe dc reader then the next
time
you tab it will give you the option a check box to use that program every
time make sure it is checked then tab down to ok and press the enter key.


Now you should be right.


hope it helps.


Gene nz


On 10/10/2017 10:47 AM, Nevzat Adil wrote:

Hello everyone,

I have no idea how it happened, but for sometime now Microsoft Edge
reads my PDF files instead of Acrobat Reader DC, something I do not
caer for.
I'd like to set Acrobat Reader DC as my default reader for PDF files.
Will someone instruct me how to do this?
My screen reader is NVDA and OS Windows 10.
Thanks.
Nevzat





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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the
NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you,
please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified
individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA
expert
exam.


Re: something people should be aware of

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I think the worrying part to this is that it means its reading your live chat from the keyboard and I can just imagine it adding a new message when you pause telling you when you mention blindd that a shop selling blinds is just down the road.. grin.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene New Zealand" <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 8:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] something people should be aware of


Hi


It says it in the link that was given. It is going to be part of skype but looks more like the metro apps at present. We will find out shortly how much it gets used .


I will be looking forwards to playing with it not much different from using a voice assistant on your phone i guess.


Gene nz


On 10/10/2017 3:19 PM, zahra wrote:

hi.
i opened the link and only the informations were about cortana!
where can i read the informations about skype?

On 10/10/17, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz><mailto:hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz> wrote:


Hi


does not worry me. At present it will be for apple devices and android
ones.it did not mention windows devices nor windows computers as of yet.


it does not say any thing about the desk top version of skype either.


Gene nz


On 10/10/2017 1:55 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi.

was reading skype blogs and found this.

https://blogs.skype.com/news/2017/10/09/introducing-cortana-skype-microsofts-intelligent-assistant-comes-chat-window/

I really hope that there will be a way to make this shove right off if one
wants to.

There is nothing worse than something bringing up suggestions and thinking
what to say, if I want this now then I can put several bits of spyware and
ransom ware on my system, and forget about skype.

While I see a benifit in this, I really hope we can envoke this at will, if
not then maybe I will have to use windows xp for skype instead <sigh>






--
[Image NVDA certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.







--
[Image NVDA certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: How to set Acrobat Reader DC for PDF files

Gene
 

It's not a question of fixing anything.  Windows 10 forces certain things to display using Edge.  The user intentionally isn't given a choice.  Microsoft didn't give away Windows for a year for nothing.  Nothing is free.  This is to Microsoft's advantage, because they can charge more to those who advertise on the Windows search feature using Edge to display results. 
 
As I recall, if you use cortana, (spelling) for searches, Edge is forced to be used and Bing.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 2:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to set Acrobat Reader DC for PDF files

Have they fixed that windows 10 issue where certain parts of windows uses
edge even if you use another  browser by default, yet?
Brian

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From: "Nevzat Adil" <nevzatadil@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 12:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to set Acrobat Reader DC for PDF files


> Thanks Gene. It worked. I forgot to say my default browser is Firefox.
> Nevzat
>
> On 10/9/17, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
>> hi
>>
>>
>> the first thing i would do is in the defaults apps change the browser
>> from
>> edge to another one. that should stop it from opening in edge.
>>
>>
>> use the windows key + letter I then go to apps press enter key then down
>> to
>> default apps. Locate the browser and change it from edge to another if on
>> there.
>>
>>
>> the next thing i would do is locate the pdf document then use the
>> applications key. Arrow down to open with adobe dc reader then press the
>> enter key It may give you the option to keep it as default.
>>
>>
>> It not there it should give you the option to choose another app then
>> press
>> the enter key. Under the list there pick adobe dc reader then the next
>> time
>> you tab it will give you the option a check box to use that program every
>> time make sure it is checked then tab down to ok and press the enter key.
>>
>>
>> Now you should be right.
>>
>>
>> hope it helps.
>>
>>
>> Gene nz
>>
>>
>> On 10/10/2017 10:47 AM, Nevzat Adil wrote:
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> I have no idea how it happened, but for sometime now Microsoft Edge
>> reads my PDF files instead of Acrobat Reader DC, something I do not
>> caer for.
>> I'd like to set Acrobat Reader DC as my default reader for PDF files.
>> Will someone instruct me how to do this?
>> My screen reader is NVDA and  OS Windows 10.
>> Thanks.
>> Nevzat
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
>> material
>> at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
>> Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the
>> NVDA
>> screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
>> location) is near to you please visit
>> http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
>> People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you,
>> please
>> visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
>> certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified
>> individuals
>> from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA
>> expert
>> exam.
>>
>
>
>




Re: looking for a ocr program for a flat bed canner

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Well rather obtusely, since I use windows 7, I have an old copy of Office xp on here and luckily office tools which has an ocr. This works reasoonably with the defealt driver it picked up from cannon web site. Its a little clunky since you sscan using the built in driver then it ends up in a tiff file viewer, then you can move the recognised text to word.

However I was under the impression that win 10 had a cloud based ocr of its own now. Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] looking for a ocr program for a flat bed canner


Hi


Is your software for your scanner not accessible? or did you pick one up without the software?


The software i actually brought when it was 30 kiwi dollars was the knfb reader software. it works well on my windows 10 machine. Because i already own it i can not tell you what the current price is for it. It works well with my scanners and my camera.


But the question was not for ocr software you pay for.


Do you want to just scan it or do you want to also ocr it? so you can get the text out of it.


Windows comes with scanner and fax software that should work with your scanner.


I know i have also after she has scanned it used the nvda ocr thingy to rip the text out of it but is only a page at a time. Still good if it is just a bill.


I just had a look and there is menus there you can navigate with nvda. How ever i did not do a scan with it but am guessing it will for you.


Otherwise i use the knfb reader software.


There should be some others that are free.


I have used some others before but forget there names. Maybe some one else can point you in the right direction but will depend if it is through the store or via the net.


Gene nz

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Hay I was wondering iif you know of any free scanning soft ware to scan news papers or just mail. Pleese let me know if any of you find any thing that will work with windows 10

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Re: something people should be aware of

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A classic case ofsomething having been added to by so many different programmers and teams that I bet nobody really understands it and hence screw it up every time they attempt to do anything.
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True jean.

And it looks like in any case ms seem to be on the verge of chucking that away.

Hopefully before it does die I will be able to get the full link.

I really do hope that skype classic can be kept about even if it was only for those that liked the classic interface.

For myself skype is reasonably rocky as it is.

The only reason its at all accessible as I stay within the contacts and message group tabs.

Get past the main tab tree and its a mess.




On 10/10/2017 2:09 p.m., Gene New Zealand wrote:
Hi


does not worry me. At present it will be for apple devices and android ones.it did not mention windows devices nor windows computers as of yet.


it does not say any thing about the desk top version of skype either.


Gene nz


On 10/10/2017 1:55 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi.

was reading skype blogs and found this.

https://blogs.skype.com/news/2017/10/09/introducing-cortana-skype-microsofts-intelligent-assistant-comes-chat-window/

I really hope that there will be a way to make this shove right off if one wants to.

There is nothing worse than something bringing up suggestions and thinking what to say, if I want this now then I can put several bits of spyware and ransom ware on my system, and forget about skype.

While I see a benifit in this, I really hope we can envoke this at will, if not then maybe I will have to use windows xp for skype instead <sigh>






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Re: How to set Acrobat Reader DC for PDF files

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I never had this issue other than in some searches from the desktop or start area.

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Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 4:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to set Acrobat Reader DC for PDF files


This won't work in Win 10! Edge is so aggressive it takes control of
PDF files even if you have Firefox as your default browser. I've found
no way around this except to copy a link to your desired pdf reader into
your sento folder and then it will appear in the context menu. Then you
do a right click or application key and arrow to open with and then
choose Acrobat Reader to open it.

Roger









On 10/9/2017 5:04 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

hi


the first thing i would do is in the defaults apps change the browser
from edge to another one. that should stop it from opening in edge.


use the windows key + letter I then go to apps press enter key then
down to default apps. Locate the browser and change it from edge to
another if on there.


the next thing i would do is locate the pdf document then use the
applications key. Arrow down to open with adobe dc reader then press
the enter key It may give you the option to keep it as default.


It not there it should give you the option to choose another app then
press the enter key. Under the list there pick adobe dc reader then
the next time you tab it will give you the option a check box to use
that program every time make sure it is checked then tab down to ok
and press the enter key.


Now you should be right.


hope it helps.


Gene nz



On 10/10/2017 10:47 AM, Nevzat Adil wrote:
Hello everyone,

I have no idea how it happened, but for sometime now Microsoft Edge
reads my PDF files instead of Acrobat Reader DC, something I do not
caer for.
I'd like to set Acrobat Reader DC as my default reader for PDF files.
Will someone instruct me how to do this?
My screen reader is NVDA and OS Windows 10.
Thanks.
Nevzat


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find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
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(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert
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who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Please, give me your LibreOffice issues

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Hi I have a portable copy on Libra Office. One issue is that the end of a line ie carriage return seems not to say anything so it gets very hard to tell if I am indeed on a new line in the writer.
Obviously there is no support for browse and focus mode on it, and it also seems quite slow.

I have not tried to use the other parts of Libra. Certainly the database is totally silent, and the spreadsheet seems basic in the extreme, not tried any presentation stuff.

I also here error sounds quite often in Writer and the errors in nvda refer to symphony, so I'm guessing parts of the app module were in fact written for Symphony, not the derivatives.

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Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 2:08 AM
Subject: [nvda] Please, give me your LibreOffice issues


Hi everyone,

I'm having a look at our LibreOffice issues, and also LibreOffice's NVDA
issues. So, if anyone has any bugs or issues with LibreOffice and NVDA,
now would be a great time to raise them so I can capture the current state
of play.

I have been working through our issues tagged with LibreOffice:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/labels/libreoffice

and The Document Foundation's issues with NVDA:
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=nvda

If you haven't already reported an issue in either of those places, even if
you've previously raised it here, please let me know, just to make sure I
don't miss it.

Regards

Quentin.

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Re: something people should be aware of

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It only mentions the smart phone versions here. I unfortunately can see a day when we have multiple voice and text accessible assistants on every device, all arguing with each other about what you actually wanted in the first place
New scientist is calling AI Artificial Ignorance, by the way.
I feel that we should be able to define the areas of our lives these things can get involved in, and how long before some smarty pants comes up with one that asks them all and presents all their answers in a usable way.

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Subject: [nvda] something people should be aware of


Hi.

was reading skype blogs and found this.

https://blogs.skype.com/news/2017/10/09/introducing-cortana-skype-microsofts-intelligent-assistant-comes-chat-window/

I really hope that there will be a way to make this shove right off if one wants to.

There is nothing worse than something bringing up suggestions and thinking what to say, if I want this now then I can put several bits of spyware and ransom ware on my system, and forget about skype.

While I see a benifit in this, I really hope we can envoke this at will, if not then maybe I will have to use windows xp for skype instead <sigh>




Re: How to set Acrobat Reader DC for PDF files

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Have they fixed that windows 10 issue where certain parts of windows uses edge even if you use another browser by default, yet?
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Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 12:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to set Acrobat Reader DC for PDF files


Thanks Gene. It worked. I forgot to say my default browser is Firefox.
Nevzat

On 10/9/17, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz> wrote:
hi


the first thing i would do is in the defaults apps change the browser from
edge to another one. that should stop it from opening in edge.


use the windows key + letter I then go to apps press enter key then down to
default apps. Locate the browser and change it from edge to another if on
there.


the next thing i would do is locate the pdf document then use the
applications key. Arrow down to open with adobe dc reader then press the
enter key It may give you the option to keep it as default.


It not there it should give you the option to choose another app then press
the enter key. Under the list there pick adobe dc reader then the next time
you tab it will give you the option a check box to use that program every
time make sure it is checked then tab down to ok and press the enter key.


Now you should be right.


hope it helps.


Gene nz


On 10/10/2017 10:47 AM, Nevzat Adil wrote:

Hello everyone,

I have no idea how it happened, but for sometime now Microsoft Edge
reads my PDF files instead of Acrobat Reader DC, something I do not
caer for.
I'd like to set Acrobat Reader DC as my default reader for PDF files.
Will someone instruct me how to do this?
My screen reader is NVDA and OS Windows 10.
Thanks.
Nevzat





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location) is near to you please visit
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Re: screen readers

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Complicated answer. Many are already similar, but in some parts of the program the ethos and method of what it does is not anything like how Jaws does things, so as there is no equivalent it could be very confusing to add key presses like this.
Note all key bindings appear to be soft, so you can go through them and change them if you so desire.
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Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 11:44 PM
Subject: [nvda] screen readers


Hello all,
Can I get NVDA to use jaws commands?
when it comes to navigating data?
I know that window eyes had a setting to configure the setting
like you were using the jaws program?
NVDA works real well but not having the experience like checking
messages, like you do with jaws.
insert down always gave the amount of messages.
I'm not sure why I'm having a real hard time with NVDA not being
my primary synthesizers.
thanks for the list and as a Canadian happy thanks giving!

Thanks.


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Re: Getting NVDA to Talk without sound caard

Gene
 

I doubt that Windows XP is worse at running USB sound cards or headphones without installing software than later versions of Windows.  I've run two USB sound cards from two different manufacturers just by plugging them in. 
 
Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting NVDA to Talk without sound caard

WEll that depends. I don't think XP was as good at doing this as later
versions of windows, but obviously its worth a try for a start. Certainly
the very cheap creative usb  audio dongle managed to  work with apparently
no software on xp, It was ok as anoutput device, but only had a microphone
input, but what do you want for under15 uk pounds.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting NVDA to Talk without sound caard


That's a lot of work without trying other options first.  We don't know what
has been removed but if you have a USB sound card or headphones, connecting
them may give you sound.  You can buy cheap sound cards for ten U.S. dollars
or perhaps less so you can try the experiment for little expense if you
don't currently have a sound card.  Or you might be able to borrow a sound
card or USB headphones.

Gene
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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting NVDA to Talk without sound caard


I would simply reformat the system and next time don't kill everything




On 10/10/2017 8:27 a.m., Howard Traxler wrote:
> I have an older computer running windows XP.  Being totally stupid, I
> deleted the audio drivers and lots of other stuff that might have been
> necessary to run things.  It seems that it boots ok but now I'd like
> to get it to talk or even to run its alva braille display.  I think I
> have JAWS 9 on it--which, of course, won't talk or display.  But now,
> I've created a portable copy of NVDA, thinking that maybe I can
> somehow make the machine talk enough to get its drivers back and make
> it talk normally again.
>
> Any ideas about this situation?  Thank you anybody.
>
> Howard
>
>
>
>







Re: Another bit of info on Firefox 57.

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I intend to stay on 55 until I see some kind of statement from nvda devs about it. Nobody seems to be saying much about the tweaked rendering engine anywhere in the access areas, and although they claim its just evolution, there do seem to be issues here and there speed and lag and some controls not working in most screenreaders as they did. I hope at least that they keep a32 bit version as for some time now I've preferred it over the 64 bit one. I'm hoping that it will not force deletion of the 32 bit one I have and shove on the 64 bit one if I want to try it making it a messy job to get back. I am a great believer in if its not broken, why fix it, which sadly it seems the rest of the world seldom subscribes to.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Another bit of info on Firefox 57.


Thanks for the heads up. If I'm not mistaken, Brian this is the so-called Quantum Firefox browser they will soon to be launch this November. I have the experience to install the beta or the pre-released version 57 the other day but it turns out my PC under nvda 2017.3 of Windows 7 32 bit gets slower to response so I decided to get back to version 56 rather. The mentioned released is in accordance with theWindows 10 compliance. The only worry is that once they released the final version this November could somehow had a fix as well to the performance of the Windows 7 32 bit users as well. As a reminder, may or might not install it first because your machine will gets in trouble for the said update of Firefox, and not sure if nvda dev teams is pretty much ready to handle this update soon to our machine.

Robert Mendoza

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https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1394207

Comment # 25 on Bug 1394207 from :Gijs (not here until monday)at 2017-10-09 01:49:53 PDT
(In reply to carl from comment #24)
(In reply to carl from comment #23)
This bug is only fixed in 57. It's expected that you're seeing this in 56, but
it's too late to fix this within 56 because it's already released, and this
issue is not severe enough to warrant a specific dot-release. If it's very
annoying given your usage pattern, you could consider switching to 57 beta.
Otherwise, this will be fixed when 57 reaches the release channel in a few
weeks' time.


Product/Component: Firefox :: General

Tracking Flags:
. status-firefox-esr52:unaffected
. status-firefox55:unaffected
. tracking-firefox56:-
. status-firefox56:wontfix
. status-firefox57:fixed

You are receiving this mail because:
. You reported the bug.

Quite right I did,
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Re: Getting NVDA to Talk without sound caard

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If system restore points are available, depending on how old they are, you may b3e able to use an external sound card or USB headphones, such as I suggested earlier, then run a restore point from before the drivers were removed. If so, sighted help won't be necessary. 
 
 
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Chuckle, Yes never burn your bridges before you are on the other side. If
its not that old, you might wish to try windows 7 sp1 instead. Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting NVDA to Talk without sound caard


>I would simply reformat the system and next time don't kill everything
>
>
>
>
> On 10/10/2017 8:27 a.m., Howard Traxler wrote:
>> I have an older computer running windows XP. Being totally stupid, I
>> deleted the audio drivers and lots of other stuff that might have been
>> necessary to run things. It seems that it boots ok but now I'd like to
>> get it to talk or even to run its alva braille display. I think I have
>> JAWS 9 on it--which, of course, won't talk or display. But now, I've
>> created a portable copy of NVDA, thinking that maybe I can somehow make
>> the machine talk enough to get its drivers back and make it talk normally
>> again.
>>
>> Any ideas about this situation? Thank you anybody.
>>
>> Howard
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>