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Re: reading what seems to be a blank email

Gene
 

Its safer to read mail as text or as plain HTML so I hope you use one or the other, whichever you prefer. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
That's very interesting.  I had thought that e-mail programs automatically read a message as text if no HTML version is included but it appears that may well not be the case.  it sounds as though the message you received is from someone who, isn't sending messages in the standard way.  I've heard of messages that are HTML only, but I haven't heard of messages that are plain text only and that isn't at all the standard way messages are sent. 
 
A lot of messages I get contain both H
TML and text versions.
 
 

Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] reading what seems to be a blank email

I did the steps and it was set to original HTML. I actually had to
change it to text before it could read the body of the email. Thank you
for teaching me something new to try when I come across another email
that will not read properly.


Gene, your help was greatly appreciated.

On 5/18/2020 3:22 AM, Gene wrote:
> To see how the program is set and change it, open the view menu, down arrow to message body as and press enter.
> Down arrow through the choices.  NVDA calls the items radio menu items, which makes no sense but that's how they are presented to NVDA.  If plain text is checked, you are reading mail in plain text.  My guess is that you are trying to read an HTML message that doesn't have a text variation included and are not seeing anything.  To read the message as HTML In the safest way, up or down arrow to simple HTML and press enter.  The menu will close and you are now reading mail as simple HTML.  That means that the HTML in messages used for formatting them is being used, but nothing in the HTML of any message can run.  So there is no chance of malicious code that may be in a message running.  Use that setting to read mail and you will be able to read any message like this along with all your other mail.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Betsy Grenevitch
> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 11:04 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] reading what seems to be a blank email
>
>
> It believe it is in text. How do I check?
>
>
>
>
> On 5/17/2020 7:47 PM, Gene wrote:
>
>    Are you reading mail as plain text, simple HTML or HTML?
>
>    Gene
>    ----- Original Message -----
>
>    From: Betsy Grenevitch
>    Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 6:34 PM
>    To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>    Subject: [nvda] reading what seems to be a blank email
>
>
>    I was not sure if this should come on NvDA or thunderbird but am trying
>    on the NVDA list since I am using NVDA as the screen reader while using
>    Thunderbird as the mail program. For some reason in the past couple of
>    weeks a group from which I receive emails from has changed their format.
>    It acts like it is an image yet I can read it on the Polaris Mini
>    notetaker. Is there a command I can use to try to get NVDa to read the
>    email to me? I am willing to forward the email to one of the programmers
>    for NVDA if you would like to look at it to see what is happening. I am
>    using the latest version of NVDA and Windows 10 on my laptop.
>
>
>    I would much prefer to be able to read the emails on the laptop than the
>    notetaker because I would like to access the link in the email from the
>    laptop.
>
>
>    I would greatly appreciate any assistance that I can receive.
>
>
>    Thank you so very much.
>
>
>
>    --
>    Betsy Grenevitch
>    678-862-3876
>
>
>
>
--
Betsy Grenevitch
678-862-3876





Re: What do You prefer to write Docs, Presentations, or Spreadsheets with NVDA

Luke Davis
 

I used to use Open Office (for 15 years or so) on Linux and Windows, but last year I switched to MS Office. My muscle memory for shortcut keys can not seem to get the hang of ribbon command shortcuts, but other than that I prefer MS Office.

I mainly encounter Google Docs on mobile platforms. I don't much like reading documents in Google Docs, so don't imagine I would like writing them there either.

Luke

On Tue, 19 May 2020, Marco Oros wrote:

What do You prefer to write Docs, Slides and Spreadsheets with NVDA?
Google services, Microsoft office, or Apache Open office?


Re: nvda 2019.3 vocalizer, and remote support

Rui Fontes
 

Answer in private!


Best regards,


Customer support

Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 05:45 de 19/05/2020, intellisystech@... escreveu:

Hi, yesterday my license is still ok. When i start my computer today. The NVDA keep prompt "Your Vocalizer for NVDA credentials are not set for this computer. You will need to set them to use vocalizer for NVDA for long time periods, so your license can be properly verified.". nother I can do and press. How can I do now ? I try to delete the NVDA folder in appdata folder and install the NVDA again. After I insall the vocalizer driver again, I keeps prompt this error again. Please  help. Thanks


Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 20.06, last release to support Windows 10 May 2019 Update #addonrelease

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

Interesting why someone would want to completely disable speaking of those UIA app notifications through NVDA? You can disable them individually right from within the Windows Action Center located in the Systray.


First you here a UIA notification spawned by an app:

1. Press [Windows Key] + [a].

2. [Tab] over to the parent notification app grouping list.

3. Arrow [Down] to the child notification for the app you wish to disable.

4. [Tab] over to the "Settings for this notification" button.

5. Press the [Spacebar] on it.

6. From the pop up menu of options, arrow [Down] or [Up] to "Turn off all notifications for <Name of app>."


Simply Select it, and POOF: no more UIA notifications for that specific app. Have disabled notifications for Microsoft mail, and the Microsoft store. They were really the only notifications that were annoying the heck out of me.


I use Thunderbird as my primary email client.


Using the latest build of Microsoft Windows 10 v2004 by the way.


On 5/19/2020 3:12 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

 

Windows 10 App Essentials 20.06 is now available. In addition to Flake8 related internals work, it brings ability to let NVDA stop announcing UIA notifications from Microsoft Store and other programs if “report notifications” is turned off from NVDA’s object presentation settings. As always, the add-on update is available via community add-ons website and through Add-on Updater.

 

IMPORTANT: in accordance with support policy for Windows 10 App Essentials add-on (supporting a given Windows 10 feature update for at least a year but not forever), version 20.06 will be the last release to support Windows 10 Version 1903 (May 2019 Update/build 18362). Version 1903 was supported by this add-on since March 2019, and it is time to say goodbye from this add-on. But not all is lost: Version 1909 (November 2019 Update) and upcoming Version 2004 (May 2020 Update) are supported (in a way, due to special nature of November 2019 Update, the add-on will keep supporting May 2019 Update a while longer). Actually, Windows 10 App Essentials supports two future feature updates already (more on that later). Nevertheless, for support policy, the next major version of this add-on (20.07) will require Windows 10 Version 1909 (November 2019 Update/build 18363) or later.

 

Also, for people using development snapshots: the last development snapshots before the break will be sent this weekend. The next one after that will show up in July.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: nvda 2019.3 vocalizer, and remote support

intellisystech@...
 

Hi, yesterday my license is still ok. When i start my computer today. The NVDA keep prompt "Your Vocalizer for NVDA credentials are not set for this computer. You will need to set them to use vocalizer for NVDA for long time periods, so your license can be properly verified.". nother I can do and press. How can I do now ? I try to delete the NVDA folder in appdata folder and install the NVDA again. After I insall the vocalizer driver again, I keeps prompt this error again. Please  help. Thanks


Re: reading what seems to be a blank email

Betsy Grenevitch
 

I did the steps and it was set to original HTML. I actually had to change it to text before it could read the body of the email. Thank you for teaching me something new to try when I come across another email that will not read properly.


Gene, your help was greatly appreciated.

On 5/18/2020 3:22 AM, Gene wrote:
To see how the program is set and change it, open the view menu, down arrow to message body as and press enter.
Down arrow through the choices. NVDA calls the items radio menu items, which makes no sense but that's how they are presented to NVDA. If plain text is checked, you are reading mail in plain text. My guess is that you are trying to read an HTML message that doesn't have a text variation included and are not seeing anything. To read the message as HTML In the safest way, up or down arrow to simple HTML and press enter. The menu will close and you are now reading mail as simple HTML. That means that the HTML in messages used for formatting them is being used, but nothing in the HTML of any message can run. So there is no chance of malicious code that may be in a message running. Use that setting to read mail and you will be able to read any message like this along with all your other mail.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Betsy Grenevitch
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 11:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] reading what seems to be a blank email


It believe it is in text. How do I check?




On 5/17/2020 7:47 PM, Gene wrote:

Are you reading mail as plain text, simple HTML or HTML?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Betsy Grenevitch
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 6:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] reading what seems to be a blank email


I was not sure if this should come on NvDA or thunderbird but am trying
on the NVDA list since I am using NVDA as the screen reader while using
Thunderbird as the mail program. For some reason in the past couple of
weeks a group from which I receive emails from has changed their format.
It acts like it is an image yet I can read it on the Polaris Mini
notetaker. Is there a command I can use to try to get NVDa to read the
email to me? I am willing to forward the email to one of the programmers
for NVDA if you would like to look at it to see what is happening. I am
using the latest version of NVDA and Windows 10 on my laptop.


I would much prefer to be able to read the emails on the laptop than the
notetaker because I would like to access the link in the email from the
laptop.


I would greatly appreciate any assistance that I can receive.


Thank you so very much.



--
Betsy Grenevitch
678-862-3876



--
Betsy Grenevitch
678-862-3876


Re: accessible uninstaller

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

One of the reasons why I keep the JAWS screen reader installed on my PC. It is able to read the interface for Revo Uninstaller  much better then NVDA.

On 5/19/2020 8:32 AM, Austin Pinto wrote:
hi all.
is there an accessible uninstaller which works with nvda?
i used to use revo uninstaller but some versions back it was
inaccessible is it the same?
please suggest something.
i would prefer if its portable which can be run without installation.
but even if its not its ok.
i am getting a new laptop and i know it will come with a lot of crap
so i want to remove the crap cleanly.
also what is the solution of uninstalling macaffi i think the
uninstaller asks for a captcha how to get around it.


Re: reading what seems to be a blank email

Betsy Grenevitch
 

Thank you so very much. I will write down these instructions and try that.



On 5/18/2020 3:22 AM, Gene wrote:
To see how the program is set and change it, open the view menu, down arrow to message body as and press enter.
Down arrow through the choices.  NVDA calls the items radio menu items, which makes no sense but that's how they are presented to NVDA.  If plain text is checked, you are reading mail in plain text.  My guess is that you are trying to read an HTML message that doesn't have a text variation included and are not seeing anything.  To read the message as HTML In the safest way, up or down arrow to simple HTML and press enter.  The menu will close and you are now reading mail as simple HTML.  That means that the HTML in messages used for formatting them is being used, but nothing in the HTML of any message can run.  So there is no chance of malicious code that may be in a message running.  Use that setting to read mail and you will be able to read any message like this along with all your other mail.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 11:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] reading what seems to be a blank email

It believe it is in text. How do I check?


On 5/17/2020 7:47 PM, Gene wrote:
Are you reading mail as plain text, simple HTML or HTML?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 6:34 PM
Subject: [nvda] reading what seems to be a blank email

I was not sure if this should come on NvDA or thunderbird but am trying
on the NVDA list since I am using NVDA as the screen reader while using
Thunderbird as the mail program. For some reason in the past couple of
weeks a group from which I receive emails from has changed their format.
It acts like it is an image yet I can read it on the Polaris Mini
notetaker. Is there a command I can use to try to get NVDa to read the
email to me? I am willing to forward the email to one of the programmers
for NVDA if you would like to look at it to see what is happening. I am
using the latest version of NVDA and Windows 10 on my laptop.


I would much prefer to be able to read the emails on the laptop than the
notetaker because I would like to access the link in the email from the
laptop.


I would greatly appreciate any assistance that I can receive.


Thank you so very much.



--
Betsy Grenevitch
678-862-3876



-- 
Betsy Grenevitch
678-862-3876
-- 
Betsy Grenevitch
678-862-3876


Re: accessible uninstaller

 

There's 3 options I've found that work well. Ironically, one of the suggestions came from a certain blind website I'll refuse to name, because it's an illegal operation. But, the links below are all legit sources.

  1. Puran Utilities. Very accessible, but hasn't been updated in years. Don't be shocked if it never updates.
  2. Bulk Crap Uninstaller. Mostly accessible, but takes a lot of configuring to have it automate most tasks. IMO, it's junk cleanup is crap, but this is the only option that allows for batch uninstalling and cleaning up Windows 10 Metro apps.
  3. Hi Bit Uninstaller. Very accessible. Updates Frequently. I could never uninstall windows 10 apps with it though, despite it's claim. Typical capitalism. The cleanup process after uninstalls can be automated, but I found it leaving a bunch of registry items it should have removed. So, write to the developer.

Have fun! I hope others have more suggestions.


Re: What do You prefer to write Docs, Presentations, or Spreadsheets with NVDA

Tyaseta Rabita Nugraeni Sardjono <tyasetarabita@...>
 

microsoft office and open office....google service is for gmail,
googling, google from

On 5/19/20, Marco Oros <marco.oros93@...> wrote:
Hello.

I have a question.

What do You prefer to write Docs, Slides and Spreadsheets with NVDA?

Google services, Microsoft office, or Apache Open office?

Thank You.

Marco





Re: accessible uninstaller

Tyaseta Rabita Nugraeni Sardjono <tyasetarabita@...>
 

On 5/19/20, Austin Pinto <@austin> wrote:
hi all.
is there an accessible uninstaller which works with nvda?
i used to use revo uninstaller but some versions back it was
inaccessible is it the same?
please suggest something.
i would prefer if its portable which can be run without installation.
but even if its not its ok.
i am getting a new laptop and i know it will come with a lot of crap
so i want to remove the crap cleanly.
also what is the solution of uninstalling macaffi i think the
uninstaller asks for a captcha how to get around it.




accessible uninstaller

 

hi all.
is there an accessible uninstaller which works with nvda?
i used to use revo uninstaller but some versions back it was
inaccessible is it the same?
please suggest something.
i would prefer if its portable which can be run without installation.
but even if its not its ok.
i am getting a new laptop and i know it will come with a lot of crap
so i want to remove the crap cleanly.
also what is the solution of uninstalling macaffi i think the
uninstaller asks for a captcha how to get around it.


Re: A few questions

Akshaya Choudhary
 

 Thank you, Andre. It worked!
--
Regards,
Sociohack


Re: A few questions

Akshaya Choudhary
 

 

Hello Quentin,

NVDA automatically switches between synthesizers when I have more than one configuration profiles.  For example, If I have set One Core as my synthesizer, then NVDA will automatically switch to Espeak when I interact with my Windows and related applications. It goes back to One Core when I’m interacting with NVDA settings itself, reading a document or while browsing the internet.   The situation is similar with any synthesizer set as default. And, I can observe this same issue on NVDA 19.2.1 installed on my system and NVDA 20.1 which I sometimes use as a portable version. I reported the issue once on this list and was told by someone that the code for configuration profile is buggy. It would be great if you could help in any way.

 



--
Regards,
Sociohack


What do You prefer to write Docs, Presentations, or Spreadsheets with NVDA

Marco Oros
 

Hello.

I have a question.

What do You prefer to write Docs, Slides and Spreadsheets with NVDA?

Google services, Microsoft office, or Apache Open office?

Thank You.

Marco


Capital Letter Recognition

Marquette, Ed
 

All:

I have searched rather diligently, with no success, for an NVDA function that I saw, a couple of years back, was under development/consideration for either an NVDA feature or an add-on.

I do not see it anywhere in the NVDA manual or the tutorial, and I see no add-on with a title or description of this functionality.

I hope I’m just inept as a searcher.

I’m looking for the ability to recognize capital letters, not just when reading by letter—I know that functionality is present—but rather, the ability to recognize when words are capitalized (or in solid capital letters) when reading by line, by paragraph, or in say-all.

Presently, I have to switch to JAWS for this functionality, and it is so absolutely crucial that it must be, at least, under development in some add-on.  In fact, this functionality is the only reason I keep JAWS installed.

Surely others find the absence of this functionality a serious matter.  Perhaps we could pool our resources to pay a clever add-on developer to create it?

Thanks!

 




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Windows 10 App Essentials 20.06, last release to support Windows 10 May 2019 Update #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

 

Windows 10 App Essentials 20.06 is now available. In addition to Flake8 related internals work, it brings ability to let NVDA stop announcing UIA notifications from Microsoft Store and other programs if “report notifications” is turned off from NVDA’s object presentation settings. As always, the add-on update is available via community add-ons website and through Add-on Updater.

 

IMPORTANT: in accordance with support policy for Windows 10 App Essentials add-on (supporting a given Windows 10 feature update for at least a year but not forever), version 20.06 will be the last release to support Windows 10 Version 1903 (May 2019 Update/build 18362). Version 1903 was supported by this add-on since March 2019, and it is time to say goodbye from this add-on. But not all is lost: Version 1909 (November 2019 Update) and upcoming Version 2004 (May 2020 Update) are supported (in a way, due to special nature of November 2019 Update, the add-on will keep supporting May 2019 Update a while longer). Actually, Windows 10 App Essentials supports two future feature updates already (more on that later). Nevertheless, for support policy, the next major version of this add-on (20.07) will require Windows 10 Version 1909 (November 2019 Update/build 18363) or later.

 

Also, for people using development snapshots: the last development snapshots before the break will be sent this weekend. The next one after that will show up in July.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: The next evolution of NVDA?

Felix G.
 

Hi!
As long as it is not understood by developers to absolve them of
implementing a11y apis, this is a good forward thrust.
Best,
Felix

Am Di., 19. Mai 2020 um 01:56 Uhr schrieb Luke Robinett
<lukeblindgroups@...>:


Yes, SIBIAC is the one. Thanks to those of you who chimed in with the name. I haven’t used the plug-in much myself but it’s very popular in the Reaper Without Peepers listserv, A group dedicated to discussion of accessibility for the Reaper digital recording application.

On May 18, 2020, at 4:29 PM, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:

For those who want to know more about SIBIAC, see: https://reaperaccessibility.com/index.php/SIBIAC_add_on_for_NVDA

It is strictly for Reaper and requires a minimum screen resolution of 1920x1080, which would rule it out for me on a laptop.

AI is a marvelous thing, and there will definitely be major advances in the coming years. But it will be a very long time before it comes close to what wetware (the human brain) can do. Not to mention that AI, like other humans, will make choices that you, personally, may not prefer,a particularly until it trains itself to you.

It's interesting to see what people envision as far as AI. I've been saying for a long time that if we could train a screen reader to consider a web page the way most sighted individuals do when they see them, which means instantly ignoring an awful lot of stuff, it would be so much faster to get to the information that's generally being sought. But even then, what I consider extraneous you may consider essential, or vice versa. But that's not likely to be the case for things like navigation bars and the collections of links that appear at the bottom (and sometimes top) of a very great many web pages. If those get used once every hundred visits to most sites, with the exception of newspapers where their sections are generally presented near the top, that's probably an overestimate.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth.

~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019






Object Location Tones 20.06 #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

 

Object Location Tones 20.06 is now available. This release mostly includes internal changes such as Flake8 and preparing for a day when this add-on gets integrated into NVDA. As always, the new update can be found on community add-ons website and via Add-on Updater.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: problem with nvda chrome and pressing enter on items

Jonathan Nadeau
 

Not really sure what happened there. I reset a few things and everything is fine now. I just wasn't sure if it was because of an update.



On 5/18/2020 7:09 AM, Cohn, Jonathan wrote:

Does this happen for all links or does it only happen on a few sites. Also, are you using the current version, or do you use pre-release or prevent updating. I haven’t heard of these issues except in some very specific design errors on a site, but I have been concentrating on Firefox recently.

Jonathan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Monday, May 18, 2020 at 9:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] problem with nvda chrome and pressing enter on items

External email alert: Be wary of links & attachments.


Hello list,


I'm having a problem with nvda only inside of chrome. Before while
surfing the web with chrome I could tab onto a link or a menu item and
then press enter and it would bring me to the next page or download the
file of the link I click on. Now all of a sudden if I tab to an item and
then press enter nothing happens. I have to use the arrow keys to land
on the item or link press enter and it then works.
Any ideas of why tabbing to something doesn't work anymore but if I
arrow to it it will work. Any help is greatly appreciated. This is
really messing with my work flow.