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Re: Change.org Petition: Make Movies Accessible to the Blind

 

You know thats been a pet peeve of mine.

I have dvd audio extracter to basically get at my dvds.

And thats the polite way to post here.

Because of copywrite its not always possible to do this.

I can use windows media player to handle dvds but I can't seem to  watch things more than once so usually after they have been watched with little control I end up putting them away.

Now it would be nice if there was a way for the blind to either download at cost using a subscription say 5-10 a month all the videos they want from a ftp and even stream audio described content.

All the companies are quite happy to go after all the pirates and crackers, but seriously, I need to crack my own dvds to get what was legally licenced to me to play.

Granted I do do that to dvds friends have, and videos from the video store and yes, I guess in that form I could easily put them up on a website and you the producer would loose control at the point.

But right now, if I get a dvd, firstly I need to see if its described, then I need to see if it will be able to be piratable so I can crack it and get the mp3 off of it and normalise that.

Even if I do that if its something like mgm or paramount its either so encripted I have to spend 2-3 days using other extracters and cracking tools on hard drives over night which then really means its not worth it to have all the audio in bits and stuff so I can't play it in order which I could do but its not worth that.

Its good that  a lot of companies do not use such protection so I can crack to my hearts content, but with all the talk about piracy, the industry is not helping itself.

How much would it cost them to put a seperate disk with audio files on it, or for those things I have brought a code to redeem my things.

Or even a way for the blind to buy audio described movies, or subscribe to them.

After all the sighted can use netflicks, some of it I can aparently but its the principal here.

Sadly thats never going to happen, I will always crack all my dvds and no one will care for now at least.

I really do wish that the next laws past are that all dvds must be accessible to the blind or the material needs to be previded off on another disk, naturally I am happy to pay, no not 220-50 bucks for extra content but something I can afford.

Thats my rant for the day.

Its  a pipedream nothing more.

On 24/12/2017 10:05 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
One of thee big problems for those who watch DVDs on their computers is that the menu for finding the AD version is often unreadable for us. BBC did make a self voicing menu, but it seems not to have been taken up universally.
Now I am not saying this would work but in windows 10 assuming text is on screen in these menus could the ocr and nvda be used in such a way as to find these  options?
Brian

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Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 3:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Change.org Petition: Make Movies Accessible to the Blind


This is about DVS, mostly in movie theaters.


On 12/23/2017 22:29, Lino Morales wrote:
Noah. Movies for the most part are already accessible. Its called DVS. That's all I'll say.


On 12/23/2017 10:26 PM, Noah Carver via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi All,

This email might be off topic to this list, so if someone could give me some guidance it would be appreciated.

I have been doing some advocacy work for descriptive audio, and have written a Change.org petition. Have a look and see if you might sign and share with others.

https://www.change.org/p/the-walt-disney-company-make-movies-accessible-to-the-blind?recruiter=844835478&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=share_petition&utm_term=share_petition

Yours,

Noah Carver







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Re: important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for flash drives for the moment

 

Well to be honest as long as they kept it free, each player could have their own format or a standard format, you would then download drivers for your os, windows, linux and mac.

I am not sure how that would work with say apple devices though android it would be probably ok.

Android after all its just a sort of linux distribution.

On 24/12/2017 10:04 p.m., coffeekingms@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi

I agree about players providing their own software. They could simply auto format flash drives on insertion, with a prompt of course. The problem with the companies providing their own software though is that they would almost certainly limit that software to the operating systems they perceive as popular, meaning windows and possibly mac. They would probably have an app for your smart device. That’s great except then every company which manufactures players would have their own app for their own players, resulting in multiples of the same app by different companies which all do the same thing. Better to have an open source app which multiple companies support if they’re going to go that route. Put it on git hub or something, and have it buildable on whatever OS you use. Pre built ones for windows, mac and maybe Linux as well, and app packages for android and IOS, just to cover all the bases. They wouldn’t even have to support it directly, just work together to develop it then give it to the community, with maybe an email address for help.

Thanks

Kendell Clark





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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Rob Hudson <rob_hudson_3182@gmx.com>
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Subject: Re: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for flash drives for the moment

Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
You know I really think talking book players should either support
formatting their drives or actually supporting ntfs or reformatting to
their own format and have software able to do it.
NTFS is harder on flash memory than fat 32. That's why you almost never get flash drives in NTFS, unless they are really large ones like 128 gb and up.
The reason NTFS is harder on flash drives is because these things only have a limited number of writes. NTFS is a journalling file system, meaning it writes to the media more often than would happen as fat 32.
In addition, NTFS supports permissions, which is often not applicable for flash drives. File permissions could actually create problems on those when you transfer them between computers.
The only time you might want to consider formatting a flash drive as NTFS is if you are going to copy a file more than 4gb in size to the drive.




Re: important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for flash drives for the moment

 

Well most players I have used only support up to 32gb and thats probably the reason.

Right now I guess thats not a problem but as standard drives drop, it will get more and more of an issue.

For example, 4gb maybe 2gb are the lowest but anything lower than 4 you may no longer be able to buy these days.

Its relitively cheap enough to buy up to a 16gb drive and some stages a 32gb drive but 64gb and higher are getting cheaper to.

On 24/12/2017 9:49 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Hmm, this would be important to know as the majority of audio players for the blind that play ram sticks will not read ntfs.
I'm sure you know most of these players only work on the order of files written, not on the file names as well.
It seems a little odd to remove such an option.

Luckily most players can read fat, and most generic sticks I see are pre formatted in that  way.
Tell me, what about the command line way of formatting?

If you don't know the syntax I can get it for you.
Brian


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Subject: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for flash drives for the moment


Hi all
This is just a warning, nothing earth shattering. I discovered after unwrapping a new 64 gb flash drive for use with my nnls talking book player that windows 10 version 1709, all updates installed, only has the XFat, and ntfs options available when formatting the drive. The digital player can read neither of these file systems. I’ve submitted feedback to ms asking for fat32 to be restored but who knows if it will happen. This is a problem because unless the dp’s firmware is updated, extremely unlikely, people who use windows 10 won’t be able to format new flash drives or reformat old ones without using another program, which I’m sure exist. They won’t be able to do it out of the box unless ms restores the functionality.  This seems to only apply to flash drives. External hard drives have only the ntfs option. I’m posting hear because I’m not subscribed to the baard talk list any longer. Sorry if it’s off topic, but I wanted to let everyone know so others can jump on this or provide workarounds if needed. Right now I have a 32 gb flash drive I can use.

Thanks
Kendell Clark


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Re: important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for flash drives for the moment

 

Well you can't create over 30gb fat system as far as I know.

I do wander how ssds handle it in that case.

I usually run all my large drive as ntfs but these are used for backups and transfers of large data files about not as big as 4gb, well at least normally, ofcause I do handle a lot of flack files for an hd stereo a friend uses and that could be right on the size of some of these.

On 24/12/2017 9:03 p.m., Rob Hudson wrote:
Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
You know I really think talking book players should either support
formatting their drives or actually supporting ntfs or reformatting to
their own format and have software able to do it.
NTFS is harder on flash memory than fat 32. That's why you almost never get flash drives in NTFS, unless they are really large ones like 128 gb and up.
The reason NTFS is harder on flash drives is because these things only have a limited number of writes. NTFS is a journalling file system, meaning it writes to the media more often than would happen as fat 32.
In addition, NTFS supports permissions, which is often not applicable for flash drives. File permissions could actually create problems on those when you transfer them between computers.
The only time you might want to consider formatting a flash drive as NTFS is if you are going to copy a file more than 4gb in size to the drive.


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Re: Change.org Petition: Make Movies Accessible to the Blind

Giles Turnbull
 

Hi Noah, I'll certainly sign this but I suspect it's more the lack of cinemas that have headsets for DA rather than the film companies not making the DA tracks in the first place.

Most of the major releases have DA tracks on the DVD release because they turn up as a free download of the mp3 audio on Blind Mice Mega Mall. You don't get the visual but you get the whole audio of the film plus the DA track. All the previous episodes of Star Wars are available and I'm sure the new one will be by this time next year when the DVD is released. 

I agree with the call to remind movie makers of the need for DA, but it's probably worth petitioning the movie theatres too. Good luck with the petition results ... I'll share the link on my FB and Twitter profile :)

Giles


Re: I'm dissappointed

Pascal Lambert
 

Thank you so much for listing the various sources for help on NVDA. I for one was not aware of the AFB tutorial. I like NVDA and I use it for many tasks. The only problems at this time is the sluggishness I am experiencing and the total failure in using IE11. I reset IE11 as Mr. Ed suggested and I am still unable to use it. I checked for malware and so one without success. After I launch IE11 it starts reading the page then it says "home home" and chokes and total silence. Often I have to restart my laptop to get back to business. The only reason I want to use IE11 is for the RSS features which I could not find in Edge or Firefox. Any help is greatly appreciated.
Season's Blessings
Pascal

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Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed

Hi all,
In addition to the clarifications already provided by Joseph and others, let me address some other points specifically below:
* Allow skim reading in Say All is the check box in NVDA’s Keyboard Settings dialog which offers the behaviour of standard navigation during a say all being sought by Mary and others. Please check it in order to be able to use the up/down and Ctrl+up/down arrow keys without interrupting a say all. Having said that, I will be enquiring to NV Access staff via the appropriate channels to understand whether left/right and Ctrl+left/right wer deliberately excluded from this functionality, or whether that is a bug you folks have just identified.
* In response to the desire for a multitude of means of obtaining technical support, we have this, the NVDA Users International e-mail list, for all user-driven general NVDA help, as well as info@nvaccess.org which should be used a little more sparingly since it is mostly just one individual, Quentin Christensen from NV Access, handling all the training, support and related mails being dropped on this address. Dedicated telephonic tech support is available only in Australia and the United States and is chargeable, the point being that it is available as an option for those that need it; again, since Quentin is presently on vacation, let us know and we’ll procure the required details in case you are an American or Australian resident.
NV Access has an official training module called Basic Training for NVDA which can be purchased in a whole host of formats from https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/. While this would be the ideal hands-on guide, you always have the in-built User Guide that can be accessed from NVDA menu>Help submenu>User Guide. Apart from all this material, you have AFB’s Learn NVDA series present In both text and video, a part of which deals with the usage od Google Docs and Google Drive with NVDA, all freely available on http://www.afb.org/learnNVDA/.
* Personally speaking, I started using NVDA in school at the age of 11 itself, and I may able to therefore relate a bit better to the situation of a 10-year-old school student. While JAWS’s ETI Eloquence sounds far more attractive than NVDA’s ESpeak to the young ears, once that is changed, I am fairly confident that a child should be able to get accustomed to NVDA’s minimalistic yet powerful feature set.
Feel free to cite any further specific difficulties you have in regards to the adoption of NVDA.
Thanks.
P.S. Presently, I am 16, a tenth grader, so still a school student.

On 12/24/17, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Susan,

Ah, you brought up important points, and a justification for what I’m
about to do soon.

Google applications: there were several seminars/sessions during NVDA
Users and Developers Conference (NVDACon) where Google apps were
discussed. The most recent one was done by a Google engineer (NVDACon
2017) and talked about what Google is doing to make Chrome and other
applications accessible.

You say you’re using Firefox? Which version is it and which NVDA
version did you get? I highly recommend using NVDA 2017.3 or later and
Firefox 52 or later for improved accessibility to Google applications.
Also, bare in mind that Google apps do change from time to time, and
in some cases, using Google Chrome (or Microsoft Edge on Windows 10)
might offer a slightly better experience.

As for what I’m planning to do: sometime in 2018, I plan to hold a
seminar that goes over how to provide a more proper technical support
offline. It’ll involve talking about some NVDA internals, as well as
common issues and troubleshooting tasks, user-centric questions, etiquette and what not.

Tech support over the phone: as much as I’d like to offer phone
support, I’m a college (undergraduate) student and a forensics (speech
and debate) competitor, so my schedule is tight. I’m also teaching two
related courses on NVDA development (one on Python and another on NVDA
internals) along with my Windows Insider duties, so there’s not a lot
of time I can devote to phone support. I do agree that as much as
online support system is valuable, tech support over the phone is
something we cannot forget. I’ll keep an eye out for news on that front and see what can be done.

To the rest of the community: you know what to do: please help a
college student by stepping up to this challenge. I don’t want to hear words alone:
I want action please.

Cheers,

Joseph



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Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed



Hi Joseph,
My expectations for tech support are all formats: email, dedicated
tech support, hands on guide and youtubes. The students I am working
with and teaching screen readers are generally 10 years old and up. We
teach students the basics of screen readers at the younger age and
also start to teach them about tech support and where to get support.
We always teach them to look online for support and love you tubes.
However, there are times that the online resources don't answer the
questions at which point my students call a tech support number. The
reality of the situations is I have usually a 30 minute block to work
on screen readers so when a problem comes up I am looking for the most
direct way to get an answer. Sometimes the fastest way is to have a dedicated tech support number.

The issues I have been having are around google docs and google classroom.
All my schools are everything google and many times NVDA commands do
not execute the way they are supposed to. For example, we are using
Firefox and working on a google doc and when using the command to read
all it doesn't always execute. I do have the accessibility feature
turned on. The same command does work with NVDA in microsoft word.
Issues like this are time consuming to figure out and spend hours at
home trying different possibilities. If there was a dedicated number
or live person to speak with it might make this process more usable
for teachers like myself. Screen readers are one part of what we teach
our students with visual impairments during the day and it is very
difficult to find time to do this work during the school day.

Susan




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Re: The Story of Rudolph Part II

Cristóbal
 

Yeah, I'll pass.

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Subject: [nvda] The Story of Rudolph Part II

OK kids this is your uncle Lino here. Lets take a quicky breaky about all things NVVDA shall we? Now that the subject line got your attention.
I wrote this up a week ago today. Enjoy and Merry Christmas. Oh and Gene don't kick me off the list with your hooves ahem steel toed boots. Thanks

The Story of Rudolph Part II
by Lino Morales
Now here's a little story I'd like to tell about a red nosed reindeer you all know so well. It started way down in history. This whole story of Rudolph has never been told till now.
You see, after going to the Land of Misfit Toys and saving Christmas, Rudolph and Clarice never solidified their love towards one another.
Clarice and Rudolph were talking late one night in the North Pole and she said, "Rudolph, remember when you were a little buck and I was a little doe I said that you were cute?"
"Yes, I remember," said Rudolph.
"Well I think it’s time we solidified our love to each other," Clarice said.
"Oh really? You really mean it?" said Rudolph.
"Yes," said Clarice.
"Well, OK," replied Rudolph.
As she looked into his reindeer eyes, she sang this little song. “You are the sunshine of my life, because your nose is oh so bright.”
"Wow!" said Rudolph.
So, a few months later they were happily married inside Santa's workshop. All the females that work for the fat guy decorated his shop beautifully.
Well, a few months later Clarice gave birth to their first fawns. They named them LeAnne and Cleo. They grew up playing the same reindeer games Rudolph and Clarice played when Rudy had his nose problems which you already know that story, right?
Ahem! Anyway, LeAnne and Cleo grew up to become beautiful teenaged does.
They were set to someday help fly Santa's sleigh.
One day, this outlaw of a reindeer named Leroy came to the North Pole.
See, he originally lived in the mountains of Tennessee. He made his ma and pa mad one day and took off far, far away in his John Deere flying tractor. Well he ended up at a rest stop in the South Pole. After he was well rested from such a long trip he finished his journey to the North Pole. He realized once he got their it was rather damn cold there. Much colder than the mountains of ole Tennessee.
"I'm glad I packed an extry set of boots and long johns,” Leroy said to himself.
Well, one fine day, he found himself lost in the North Pole.
“Dag nabbit! I forgot my map!” he said.
As he was wandering around the North Pole he saw this pretty little doe prancing along in the snow.
Howdy, ma’am! he shouted.
“Hi,” she said shyly.
“I'm dang near lost, Leroy said. “Say, what's your name, miss?”
“LeAnne,” the little doe said.
They shook hooves.
“Well, who are you and why do you talk with a Southern accent?” LeAnne asked.
“Well see, I come from Tennessee.”
“Oh wow!” LeAnne said.
“Well see, my ma and pa got really mad at me back home and I needed to get away. You see, I'm a bit of an outlaw reindeer. I got into lots of trouble with all the pretty doe girls and, well, ma and pa couldn’t put up with me anymore.”
“Wow!” LeAnne said. “So why in the world are you up here?”
“Well, I was wantin’ to ask Mr. Santy Claus for a job.”
“A job?” LeAnne said.
“Yup, a job flying my flying John Deere tractor.”
“Now why would you wanna do that?” Said LeAnne.
“Well, I heard all about that thar reindeer Rudolph back home when I was a young‘un buck and I figured he needs a little help sometimes.”
LeAnne said, “You wanna help out my pa?”
“Say what?!” Leroy said. “Rudy is your pa?”
“Yes sir,” LeAnne said.
“You see, miss LeAnne, my tractor can fly all around the world. From the farm homes to the city houses. I can plunk down all them thar presents for all them good kiddies.”
“Amazing!” said LeAnne.
“You wanna see my flying tractor?” asked Leroy.
“Sure,” said Leann.
“Well she’s parked over yonder on that thar snow bank. Do you hear the engine runnin’?”
“Yes, I do,” said the little doe.
“Well, I had to leave it on so the diesel won't get cold.”
So, as they both trudged to the snow bank, the flying tractor got louder and louder. It startled all of the snow creatures nearby.
“What is that annoying sound?!” One of them said.
“I don't know!” Said another.
Well, the gentleman Leroy was, he invited LeAnne into the cab of his tractor.
“Say, you want some Slim Jims, miss LeAnne?”
“A Slim Jim? What's that?” she asked.
“Well, you see, it’s like deer sausage, but it’s not made from deer meat like them crazy humans like to hunt every winter.”
“OK, I'll try some,” LeAnne said.
“Great! Now relax and I'll fly ya home.”
“But…but…”
“It’s OK, miss LeAnne. I wanna meet your famous pa and your ma.”
“Well OK,” she said.
“Now show me the way to your house. I don't have a map of the North Pole.”
Well, they finally made it to Rudolph's home after an hour. Rudy was one angry dad buck at this point.
“LeAnne!” He shouted.
She got scared of her pa ‘cause he had never yelled at her like that before. Oh, his nose was so bright with anger it lit up the entire North Pole.
“Your ma, Santa, and all the elves were looking all over for you, young lady!”
“I met a new friend,” she said.
“And who is this friend?” Rudolph asked.
“His name is Leroy.”
“Well, tell Leroy to get out of here with that… What in the world is that?!” Rudy said.
“It’s a flying John Deere tractor.”
“The only thing that flies around here is Santa's sleigh. Now go to your room, now!”
“Yes pa,” LeAnne said sadly.
Now, as you can imagine, Rudolph was a bit hot under the collar…ahem…the nose by this point, so he stepped outside into the bitter cold to speak to this crazy redneck buck Leroy. As Rudy approached the flying tractor, Leroy was shaking in his cowboy boots.
“You young buck, come out of that flying tractor!”
“Yes sir,” Leroy said, with a quiver in his voice.
“Well, don't just sit there, son…get out!”
Leroy was so damn scared he done shut off the engine. Now Rudolph and Leroy had a little chat.
“Now, son, what brought you here to the North Pole in that get-up of a flying object?”
“Well, Rudy…”
“It’s Rudolph to you, young man.”
“Yes sir. Sorry. Well, you see, I'm an outlaw deer in the mountains of Tennessee and my ma and pa kicked me out.”
“Why?” asked Rudolph.
“Well, ‘cause none of the doe girls back home didn't like me ‘cause of my flying tractor.”
“Well, I wonder why? That thing is too loud,” said Rudolph.
“Um…yeah,” Leroy said quietly. “Well, I was wantin’ to see if I could get a job for the winter helpin’ Santy Claus, your boss man.”
“Well, son, he's already got me, plus all the other reindeer. Besides, what can that tractor do for Santa, anyway?”
“Well, the same thing his sleigh does, but my tractor can deliver toys to all the young’uns in the north and the south. It can plunk all them thar presents at all the farmhouses and city slicker ones, too. I figured, Mr. Rudolph, you could use a break once in a while. With your nose as bright as a spotlight, I'm sure you can get dang tired.”
“Well, yes, its tiring,” said Rudolph.
“You see, I was lost out here and, dag nabbit, I didn't bring a map to this dag gone North Pole. I saw your pretty doe girl, miss LeAnne, and she showed me the way to y'all’s house.”
“Well, since you traveled all this way, you can sleep here, but you have to sleep in that flying tractor,” Rudolph said.
“Well, I reckon I can do that for one night, but why cain't I sleep in y'all’s place, Rudolph?”
“Well, you can't, ‘cause Santa Claus doesn't know you’re here.”
“Well, OK,” said Leroy. “I have a nice runnin’ heater in the cab of my tractor.”
“Well, I'll see you in the morning, Leroy. We'll see if Santy…I mean Santa…can give you a job. Clarice and I need a vacation. I've not had one in years! I must know one thing before I turn in for the night, Leroy,” Rudolph asked. “How will that tractor light the way for Santa?”
“Well, glad you asked, sir,” he said excitedly. So, Leroy flipped on the headlights. Boy they was as bright as Christmas lights, if not more so.
“Hey, you'd better turn them lights off, Leroy. You'll wake up all the snow creatures, and Santa!”
“Yes sir,” Leroy said.
Well, the next morning came. Rudolph pounded on Leroy's tractor window with his hoof.
“Hey! What in tarnation is that?!” he said.
“Wake up, Leroy,” Rudolph said.
“I was in a deep sleep, sir.”
“Well, you want to work for my boss for the winter, right?”
“Yup,” said Leroy.
“OK, then we must see Santa at once.”
“Sir, can miss LeAnne come, too?”
“Nope,” said Rudolph.
“Why not, sir?”
“’Cause I'm not too sure about you yet. You kind of talk funny, you see.”
“Well, sir, not to be rude, but you talk a bit funny yourself.”
“It’s my red nose,” Rudolph said, laughing.
“Oh yeah, I forgot,” Leroy chuckled.
“Well, let’s go!”
“Um…should we take my tractor, sir?” Leroy asked.
“No, Leroy. We'll walk. Santa's house and workshop are on the other side of the snow bank. That thing is loud, anyway.”
“OK,” said Leroy, “we'll walk yonder to the boss's house.”
Rudolph cautiously walked up to Santa's house and rang the doorbell. A cute little elf girl answered the door.
“Yes, Rudolph?” She said.
“Um…is Santa busy at the moment?” he asked.
“Now Rudolph, you know he's always busy. It’s almost Christmas!”
“Don't remind me,” Rudolph said.
So, the cute little elf girl went into Santa's shop at the back of the house.
“Um…Mr. Claus?” she asked. “Um…Rudolph would like to speak to you, sir.”
“Well, tell him to come in,” Santa said.
The little elf girl said, “OK boys, Santa will see you now.”
Leroy was very nervous. He was so nervous, he kept sucking on a Slim Jim.
“Rudolph!” Santa said. “Who is your friend there?”
“Well, sir, his NAME Is Leroy.”
“Leroy?” Santa said. “Well, Leroy, what brings you to the North Pole, young man?”
“Well, sir, I got lost last night. I done forgot to bring me a map to this place, dag nabbit! Anyway, I saw Rudolph's pretty little doe girl, miss LeAnne, on a snow bank and she showed me the way to their house.
You see, Santa, my ma and pa kicked me out. It’s a long story. I come from the mountains of Tennessee and I need a job, sir.”
“A job?” Santa asked.
“Yup. You see, sir, I came here in a flying John Deere tractor. I didn't bring it with me ‘cause that thing is so loud I hurt them thar snow creature's’ ears.”
“So, son, how does this flying object work?” asked Santa.
“Well, it runs on diesel fuel and it flies, of course.”
“Hmm,” said the big elf.
“Should we hop in your sleigh and I'll show you how it works?” Leroy asked with excitement.
“Well, Ok,” Santa said.
As they crossed the snow bank back to Rudolph's house Santa saw this marvelous piece of redneck way of traveling. “It’s amazing!” he said.
“Yup,” Leroy said. “You see, Mr. Claus, it has pretty bright headlights.
It’s about as bright as Rudy's nose!”
“It’s Rudolph, remember, young man!”
“Yes sir,” said Leroy. “You see, I wanna give Rudolph a break this Christmas. He says him and the missus need a vacation.”
“What?! A vacation?”
“Sorry, sir,” Rudolph said. “I wanted to tell you, but I never got around to it since you’re so busy making toys.”
“Well, what are you waiting for, son? Christmas is only 2 days away. How do you fly this thing?” Santa asked.
Well, Leroy showed that fat guy how to operate that flying tractor. They took a test flight around the North and South Pole.
Santa, Rudolph and Leroy had so much fun on that thar tractor they lost track of time. Mrs. Claus and Clarice had prepared a fine supper. Of course, Mrs. Claus made double for Santa.
Anyway, Clarice was madder than a hornet. “Rudolph, where have you been, darling?” she asked.
“Well, I was flying in a tractor with Santa and Leroy.”
“Leroy?” she demanded to know. “Who is Leroy?”
“Well, he's an outlaw reindeer from…”
“I don't care where he came from!” Clarice said. “Was that who you were talking to last night after LeAnne came home very late?”
“Yes,” Rudolph said. “Honey, we are taking a vacation this Christmas. I need a break. You see, Leroy will help Santa guide and deliver all the toys this year to all the girls and boys. The headlights are as bright as my red nose.”
“I don't believe this! said Clarice. She walked away in a huff.
“Darling, this flying tractor is great!” he shouted down the hall.
Clarice thought to herself, why did I marry that crazy red nosed deer?
Nope, Leroy was the crazy one. Who would have thought of a flying tractor in the North Pole delivering presents to all boys and girls?
Wait a minute. I thought it up. It’s the part of the story that hasn't been told till now, remember?
Anyway, Santa and Leroy set off with all his other reindeer to deliver all the goodies. One thing was missing, however.
“Hey, Santy?” Leroy asked. “I need miss LeAnne to travel with us.”
“Why?” Santa asked. “You have me and all the others.”
“Well, sir, you see, I plan to ask her to marry me tonight before we get back.”
All the other reindeer and Santa’s elves giggled at hearing the shocking news.
“You want to marry Rudolph's little doe girl?”
“Yes sir,” said Leroy.
“Well then, have her climb aboard the tractor!”
Santa let out a hardy “ho, ho, ho,” once they lifted off into the sky.
“Boy, that tractor sure made a roar…it hurt my ears!”
Well, LeAnne and Leroy were alone in the back of the tractor sorting out the bags of toys and goodies. He looked into her eyes and said, “Well, LeAnne, we've known each other for a while.”
“Yes, we have,” she said.
“Miss LeAnne, would you marry me?”
Now her nose turned red. So red like her pa's that the good people in the mountains of Tennessee could see as they passed this great state.
She said, “Yes, Leroy, I'll marry you,” and with that they both hugged each other.
Santa was so excited that the tractor flew faster than it usually can fly. “Oops!” he said. “Sorry, kids.”
Well, after they made the annual worldwide voyage, they made it back to the North Pole. The engine made such a ruckus it raddled the windows at Santa's house where Mrs. Claus was waiting on the front porch.
By midnight Christmas night, LeAnne and Leroy were wed. You see, since Rudy and Clarice were on vacation, Leroy borrowed Santa's iPhone 10, so he could call Rudy.
“Hello?” Rudolph answered.
“Hey, sir, it’s me, Leroy. I hope I didn't interrupt your vacation.”
“Nope,” Rudolph said. “Why are you calling on Santa's phone?”
“Well, Rudolph, your daughter and I are gonna get married. May I have your blessin’, sir?”
Rudy and Clarice were both in shock. See, when Rudy answered, he had Leroy on speaker phone as they lay on the sandy beach with their hoof toes buried in the sand.
“Well, since you two have been dating in the North Pole and she loves you so much, you may wed her.”
“Thank you, sir!” he said, and Leroy let out a loud “Yeehaw!”
Santa made arrangements to fly Rudolph and Clarice back home in his sleigh in time for the big wedding.
Meanwhile, all of Santa's cute little girl elves and Cleo, LeAnne's sister, decorated Santa's workshop.
“Didn't we just have a wedding not too long ago?” one of them asked.
“Yeah, it was like 25 years ago,” another one said.
Well, Rudy and the missus made it home just in time. It was such a beautiful wedding. Heck, even all the snow creatures enjoyed it. The guest list was so huge, I can't list everybody here! Leroy invited all his family of course. Heck, Santa even made a special request to Alan Jackson, Dolly Parton and a few other Country friends of Leroy's family to play and sing at the reception. See, Santa has ways, since he knows everybody ,famous or not.
So, this finally ends our story of what happened to Rudolph after saving Christmas way down in history oh so long ago. Well, I'm off to bed.
You'd better be good boys and girls. Heck, Leroy might bring y'all a remote controlled flying tractor.


Thunderbird email client problem

Steve Nomer
 

I use Thunderbird for email, and I use the Universal Folder view. I have one account's inbox that is not being scanned for inclusion in the universal inbox. If you right click the universal inbox folder and choose Properties from the menu, you are presented with a dialog where you can select folders to be scanned so that messages in that folder are included in your universal folder's messages list.


This dialog is inaccessible with NVDA. I see that there is apparently a list of folders you can choose from to select the ones you want to include, but accessing that list is the problem.


Does anyone have a suggestion on how I can access this dialog? Or, are there other ways to set options like this within Thunderbird?


Thanks for any assistance.


Steve


Re: The Story of Rudolph Part II

Arlene
 

Lol! Funny but not for a tec list. I say no more. You have a good christmas.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: December-23-17 11:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] The Story of Rudolph Part II

 

Please do not post completely offtopic messages to the list.  I won't kick you off the list but if you continue to do so in future after being warned, I'll moderate you for a  time.  This list is very permissive and allows considerable offtopic discussion so long as it is related to technology.  We allow seasons greetings messages but this message is so far removed from what is permitted that I'm commenting on it. 

 

also, if you meant your comment about my boots to be amusing, it wasn't.  And it didn't even make any sense because I am a very tolerant moderator.  I've done some Christmas humor creation myself and others have doubtless done Christmas writing.  If I allow you to do this, others may believe that it is permissible.  It isn't.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 12:36 AM

Subject: [nvda] The Story of Rudolph Part II

 

OK kids this is your uncle Lino here. Lets take a quicky breaky about
all things NVVDA shall we? Now that the subject line got your attention.
I wrote this up a week ago today. Enjoy and Merry Christmas. Oh and Gene
don't kick me off the list with your hooves ahem steel toed boots. Thanks

The Story of Rudolph Part II
by Lino Morales
Now here's a little story I'd like to tell about a red nosed reindeer
you all know so well. It started way down in history. This whole story
of Rudolph has never been told till now.
You see, after going to the Land of Misfit Toys and saving Christmas,
Rudolph and Clarice never solidified their love towards one another.
Clarice and Rudolph were talking late one night in the North Pole and
she said, "Rudolph, remember when you were a little buck and I was a
little doe I said that you were cute?"
"Yes, I remember," said Rudolph.
"Well I think it’s time we solidified our love to each other," Clarice said.
"Oh really? You really mean it?" said Rudolph.
"Yes," said Clarice.
"Well, OK," replied Rudolph.
As she looked into his reindeer eyes, she sang this little song. “You
are the sunshine of my life, because your nose is oh so bright.”
"Wow!" said Rudolph.
So, a few months later they were happily married inside Santa's
workshop. All the females that work for the fat guy decorated his shop
beautifully.
Well, a few months later Clarice gave birth to their first fawns. They
named them LeAnne and Cleo. They grew up playing the same reindeer games
Rudolph and Clarice played when Rudy had his nose problems which you
already know that story, right?
Ahem! Anyway, LeAnne and Cleo grew up to become beautiful teenaged does.
They were set to someday help fly Santa's sleigh.
One day, this outlaw of a reindeer named Leroy came to the North Pole.
See, he originally lived in the mountains of Tennessee. He made his ma
and pa mad one day and took off far, far away in his John Deere flying
tractor. Well he ended up at a rest stop in the South Pole. After he was
well rested from such a long trip he finished his journey to the North
Pole. He realized once he got their it was rather damn cold there. Much
colder than the mountains of ole Tennessee.
"I'm glad I packed an extry set of boots and long johns,” Leroy said to
himself.
Well, one fine day, he found himself lost in the North Pole.
“Dag nabbit! I forgot my map!” he said.
As he was wandering around the North Pole he saw this pretty little doe
prancing along in the snow.
Howdy, ma’am! he shouted.
“Hi,” she said shyly.
“I'm dang near lost, Leroy said. “Say, what's your name, miss?”
“LeAnne,” the little doe said.
They shook hooves.
“Well, who are you and why do you talk with a Southern accent?” LeAnne
asked.
“Well see, I come from Tennessee.”
“Oh wow!” LeAnne said.
“Well see, my ma and pa got really mad at me back home and I needed to
get away. You see, I'm a bit of an outlaw reindeer. I got into lots of
trouble with all the pretty doe girls and, well, ma and pa couldn’t put
up with me anymore.”
“Wow!” LeAnne said. “So why in the world are you up here?”
“Well, I was wantin’ to ask Mr. Santy Claus for a job.”
“A job?” LeAnne said.
“Yup, a job flying my flying John Deere tractor.”
“Now why would you wanna do that?” Said LeAnne.
“Well, I heard all about that thar reindeer Rudolph back home when I was
a young‘un buck and I figured he needs a little help sometimes.”
LeAnne said, “You wanna help out my pa?”
“Say what?!” Leroy said. “Rudy is your pa?”
“Yes sir,” LeAnne said.
“You see, miss LeAnne, my tractor can fly all around the world. From the
farm homes to the city houses. I can plunk down all them thar presents
for all them good kiddies.”
“Amazing!” said LeAnne.
“You wanna see my flying tractor?” asked Leroy.
“Sure,” said Leann.
“Well she’s parked over yonder on that thar snow bank. Do you hear the
engine runnin’?”
“Yes, I do,” said the little doe.
“Well, I had to leave it on so the diesel won't get cold.”
So, as they both trudged to the snow bank, the flying tractor got louder
and louder. It startled all of the snow creatures nearby.
“What is that annoying sound?!” One of them said.
“I don't know!” Said another.
Well, the gentleman Leroy was, he invited LeAnne into the cab of his
tractor.
“Say, you want some Slim Jims, miss LeAnne?”
“A Slim Jim? What's that?” she asked.
“Well, you see, it’s like deer sausage, but it’s not made from deer meat
like them crazy humans like to hunt every winter.”
“OK, I'll try some,” LeAnne said.
“Great! Now relax and I'll fly ya home.”
“But…but…”
“It’s OK, miss LeAnne. I wanna meet your famous pa and your ma.”
“Well OK,” she said.
“Now show me the way to your house. I don't have a map of the North Pole.”
Well, they finally made it to Rudolph's home after an hour. Rudy was one
angry dad buck at this point.
“LeAnne!” He shouted.
She got scared of her pa ‘cause he had never yelled at her like that
before. Oh, his nose was so bright with anger it lit up the entire North
Pole.
“Your ma, Santa, and all the elves were looking all over for you, young
lady!”
“I met a new friend,” she said.
“And who is this friend?” Rudolph asked.
“His name is Leroy.”
“Well, tell Leroy to get out of here with that… What in the world is
that?!” Rudy said.
“It’s a flying John Deere tractor.”
“The only thing that flies around here is Santa's sleigh. Now go to your
room, now!”
“Yes pa,” LeAnne said sadly.
Now, as you can imagine, Rudolph was a bit hot under the collar…ahem…the
nose by this point, so he stepped outside into the bitter cold to speak
to this crazy redneck buck Leroy. As Rudy approached the flying tractor,
Leroy was shaking in his cowboy boots.
“You young buck, come out of that flying tractor!”
“Yes sir,” Leroy said, with a quiver in his voice.
“Well, don't just sit there, son…get out!”
Leroy was so damn scared he done shut off the engine. Now Rudolph and
Leroy had a little chat.
“Now, son, what brought you here to the North Pole in that get-up of a
flying object?”
“Well, Rudy…”
“It’s Rudolph to you, young man.”
“Yes sir. Sorry. Well, you see, I'm an outlaw deer in the mountains of
Tennessee and my ma and pa kicked me out.”
“Why?” asked Rudolph.
“Well, ‘cause none of the doe girls back home didn't like me ‘cause of
my flying tractor.”
“Well, I wonder why? That thing is too loud,” said Rudolph.
“Um…yeah,” Leroy said quietly. “Well, I was wantin’ to see if I could
get a job for the winter helpin’ Santy Claus, your boss man.”
“Well, son, he's already got me, plus all the other reindeer. Besides,
what can that tractor do for Santa, anyway?”
“Well, the same thing his sleigh does, but my tractor can deliver toys
to all the young’uns in the north and the south. It can plunk all them
thar presents at all the farmhouses and city slicker ones, too. I
figured, Mr. Rudolph, you could use a break once in a while. With your
nose as bright as a spotlight, I'm sure you can get dang tired.”
“Well, yes, its tiring,” said Rudolph.
“You see, I was lost out here and, dag nabbit, I didn't bring a map to
this dag gone North Pole. I saw your pretty doe girl, miss LeAnne, and
she showed me the way to y'all’s house.”
“Well, since you traveled all this way, you can sleep here, but you have
to sleep in that flying tractor,” Rudolph said.
“Well, I reckon I can do that for one night, but why cain't I sleep in
y'all’s place, Rudolph?”
“Well, you can't, ‘cause Santa Claus doesn't know you’re here.”
“Well, OK,” said Leroy. “I have a nice runnin’ heater in the cab of my
tractor.”
“Well, I'll see you in the morning, Leroy. We'll see if Santy…I mean
Santa…can give you a job. Clarice and I need a vacation. I've not had
one in years! I must know one thing before I turn in for the night,
Leroy,” Rudolph asked. “How will that tractor light the way for Santa?”
“Well, glad you asked, sir,” he said excitedly. So, Leroy flipped on the
headlights. Boy they was as bright as Christmas lights, if not more so.
“Hey, you'd better turn them lights off, Leroy. You'll wake up all the
snow creatures, and Santa!”
“Yes sir,” Leroy said.
Well, the next morning came. Rudolph pounded on Leroy's tractor window
with his hoof.
“Hey! What in tarnation is that?!” he said.
“Wake up, Leroy,” Rudolph said.
“I was in a deep sleep, sir.”
“Well, you want to work for my boss for the winter, right?”
“Yup,” said Leroy.
“OK, then we must see Santa at once.”
“Sir, can miss LeAnne come, too?”
“Nope,” said Rudolph.
“Why not, sir?”
“’Cause I'm not too sure about you yet. You kind of talk funny, you see.”
“Well, sir, not to be rude, but you talk a bit funny yourself.”
“It’s my red nose,” Rudolph said, laughing.
“Oh yeah, I forgot,” Leroy chuckled.
“Well, let’s go!”
“Um…should we take my tractor, sir?” Leroy asked.
“No, Leroy. We'll walk. Santa's house and workshop are on the other side
of the snow bank. That thing is loud, anyway.”
“OK,” said Leroy, “we'll walk yonder to the boss's house.”
Rudolph cautiously walked up to Santa's house and rang the doorbell. A
cute little elf girl answered the door.
“Yes, Rudolph?” She said.
“Um…is Santa busy at the moment?” he asked.
“Now Rudolph, you know he's always busy. It’s almost Christmas!”
“Don't remind me,” Rudolph said.
So, the cute little elf girl went into Santa's shop at the back of the
house.
“Um…Mr. Claus?” she asked. “Um…Rudolph would like to speak to you, sir.”
“Well, tell him to come in,” Santa said.
The little elf girl said, “OK boys, Santa will see you now.”
Leroy was very nervous. He was so nervous, he kept sucking on a Slim Jim.
“Rudolph!” Santa said. “Who is your friend there?”
“Well, sir, his NAME Is Leroy.”
“Leroy?” Santa said. “Well, Leroy, what brings you to the North Pole,
young man?”
“Well, sir, I got lost last night. I done forgot to bring me a map to
this place, dag nabbit! Anyway, I saw Rudolph's pretty little doe girl,
miss LeAnne, on a snow bank and she showed me the way to their house.
You see, Santa, my ma and pa kicked me out. It’s a long story. I come
from the mountains of Tennessee and I need a job, sir.”
“A job?” Santa asked.
“Yup. You see, sir, I came here in a flying John Deere tractor. I didn't
bring it with me ‘cause that thing is so loud I hurt them thar snow
creature's’ ears.”
“So, son, how does this flying object work?” asked Santa.
“Well, it runs on diesel fuel and it flies, of course.”
“Hmm,” said the big elf.
“Should we hop in your sleigh and I'll show you how it works?” Leroy
asked with excitement.
“Well, Ok,” Santa said.
As they crossed the snow bank back to Rudolph's house Santa saw this
marvelous piece of redneck way of traveling. “It’s amazing!” he said.
“Yup,” Leroy said. “You see, Mr. Claus, it has pretty bright headlights.
It’s about as bright as Rudy's nose!”
“It’s Rudolph, remember, young man!”
“Yes sir,” said Leroy. “You see, I wanna give Rudolph a break this
Christmas. He says him and the missus need a vacation.”
“What?! A vacation?”
“Sorry, sir,” Rudolph said. “I wanted to tell you, but I never got
around to it since you’re so busy making toys.”
“Well, what are you waiting for, son? Christmas is only 2 days away. How
do you fly this thing?” Santa asked.
Well, Leroy showed that fat guy how to operate that flying tractor. They
took a test flight around the North and South Pole.
Santa, Rudolph and Leroy had so much fun on that thar tractor they lost
track of time. Mrs. Claus and Clarice had prepared a fine supper. Of
course, Mrs. Claus made double for Santa.
Anyway, Clarice was madder than a hornet. “Rudolph, where have you been,
darling?” she asked.
“Well, I was flying in a tractor with Santa and Leroy.”
“Leroy?” she demanded to know. “Who is Leroy?”
“Well, he's an outlaw reindeer from…”
“I don't care where he came from!” Clarice said. “Was that who you were
talking to last night after LeAnne came home very late?”
“Yes,” Rudolph said. “Honey, we are taking a vacation this Christmas. I
need a break. You see, Leroy will help Santa guide and deliver all the
toys this year to all the girls and boys. The headlights are as bright
as my red nose.”
“I don't believe this! said Clarice. She walked away in a huff.
“Darling, this flying tractor is great!” he shouted down the hall.
Clarice thought to herself, why did I marry that crazy red nosed deer?
Nope, Leroy was the crazy one. Who would have thought of a flying
tractor in the North Pole delivering presents to all boys and girls?
Wait a minute. I thought it up. It’s the part of the story that hasn't
been told till now, remember?
Anyway, Santa and Leroy set off with all his other reindeer to deliver
all the goodies. One thing was missing, however.
“Hey, Santy?” Leroy asked. “I need miss LeAnne to travel with us.”
“Why?” Santa asked. “You have me and all the others.”
“Well, sir, you see, I plan to ask her to marry me tonight before we get
back.”
All the other reindeer and Santa’s elves giggled at hearing the shocking
news.
“You want to marry Rudolph's little doe girl?”
“Yes sir,” said Leroy.
“Well then, have her climb aboard the tractor!”
Santa let out a hardy “ho, ho, ho,” once they lifted off into the sky.
“Boy, that tractor sure made a roar…it hurt my ears!”
Well, LeAnne and Leroy were alone in the back of the tractor sorting out
the bags of toys and goodies. He looked into her eyes and said, “Well,
LeAnne, we've known each other for a while.”
“Yes, we have,” she said.
“Miss LeAnne, would you marry me?”
Now her nose turned red. So red like her pa's that the good people in
the mountains of Tennessee could see as they passed this great state.
She said, “Yes, Leroy, I'll marry you,” and with that they both hugged
each other.
Santa was so excited that the tractor flew faster than it usually can
fly. “Oops!” he said. “Sorry, kids.”
Well, after they made the annual worldwide voyage, they made it back to
the North Pole. The engine made such a ruckus it raddled the windows at
Santa's house where Mrs. Claus was waiting on the front porch.
By midnight Christmas night, LeAnne and Leroy were wed. You see, since
Rudy and Clarice were on vacation, Leroy borrowed Santa's iPhone 10, so
he could call Rudy.
“Hello?” Rudolph answered.
“Hey, sir, it’s me, Leroy. I hope I didn't interrupt your vacation.”
“Nope,” Rudolph said. “Why are you calling on Santa's phone?”
“Well, Rudolph, your daughter and I are gonna get married. May I have
your blessin’, sir?”
Rudy and Clarice were both in shock. See, when Rudy answered, he had
Leroy on speaker phone as they lay on the sandy beach with their hoof
toes buried in the sand.
“Well, since you two have been dating in the North Pole and she loves
you so much, you may wed her.”
“Thank you, sir!” he said, and Leroy let out a loud “Yeehaw!”
Santa made arrangements to fly Rudolph and Clarice back home in his
sleigh in time for the big wedding.
Meanwhile, all of Santa's cute little girl elves and Cleo, LeAnne's
sister, decorated Santa's workshop.
“Didn't we just have a wedding not too long ago?” one of them asked.
“Yeah, it was like 25 years ago,” another one said.
Well, Rudy and the missus made it home just in time. It was such a
beautiful wedding. Heck, even all the snow creatures enjoyed it. The
guest list was so huge, I can't list everybody here! Leroy invited all
his family of course. Heck, Santa even made a special request to Alan
Jackson, Dolly Parton and a few other Country friends of Leroy's family
to play and sing at the reception. See, Santa has ways, since he knows
everybody ,famous or not.
So, this finally ends our story of what happened to Rudolph after saving
Christmas way down in history oh so long ago. Well, I'm off to bed.
You'd better be good boys and girls. Heck, Leroy might bring y'all a
remote controlled flying tractor.



Re: I'm dissappointed

Bhavya shah
 

Hi all,
In addition to the clarifications already provided by Joseph and
others, let me address some other points specifically below:
* Allow skim reading in Say All is the check box in NVDA’s Keyboard
Settings dialog which offers the behaviour of standard navigation
during a say all being sought by Mary and others. Please check it in
order to be able to use the up/down and Ctrl+up/down arrow keys
without interrupting a say all. Having said that, I will be enquiring
to NV Access staff via the appropriate channels to understand whether
left/right and Ctrl+left/right wer deliberately excluded from this
functionality, or whether that is a bug you folks have just
identified.
* In response to the desire for a multitude of means of obtaining
technical support, we have this, the NVDA Users International e-mail
list, for all user-driven general NVDA help, as well as
info@nvaccess.org which should be used a little more sparingly since
it is mostly just one individual, Quentin Christensen from NV Access,
handling all the training, support and related mails being dropped on
this address. Dedicated telephonic tech support is available only in
Australia and the United States and is chargeable, the point being
that it is available as an option for those that need it; again, since
Quentin is presently on vacation, let us know and we’ll procure the
required details in case you are an American or Australian resident.
NV Access has an official training module called Basic Training for
NVDA which can be purchased in a whole host of formats from
https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/. While this would be the ideal hands-on
guide, you always have the in-built User Guide that can be accessed
from NVDA menu>Help submenu>User Guide. Apart from all this material,
you have AFB’s Learn NVDA series present In both text and video, a
part of which deals with the usage od Google Docs and Google Drive
with NVDA, all freely available on http://www.afb.org/learnNVDA/.
* Personally speaking, I started using NVDA in school at the age of 11
itself, and I may able to therefore relate a bit better to the
situation of a 10-year-old school student. While JAWS’s ETI Eloquence
sounds far more attractive than NVDA’s ESpeak to the young ears, once
that is changed, I am fairly confident that a child should be able to
get accustomed to NVDA’s minimalistic yet powerful feature set.
Feel free to cite any further specific difficulties you have in
regards to the adoption of NVDA.
Thanks.
P.S. Presently, I am 16, a tenth grader, so still a school student.

On 12/24/17, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Susan,

Ah, you brought up important points, and a justification for what I’m about
to do soon.

Google applications: there were several seminars/sessions during NVDA Users
and Developers Conference (NVDACon) where Google apps were discussed. The
most recent one was done by a Google engineer (NVDACon 2017) and talked
about what Google is doing to make Chrome and other applications
accessible.

You say you’re using Firefox? Which version is it and which NVDA version did
you get? I highly recommend using NVDA 2017.3 or later and Firefox 52 or
later for improved accessibility to Google applications. Also, bare in mind
that Google apps do change from time to time, and in some cases, using
Google Chrome (or Microsoft Edge on Windows 10) might offer a slightly
better experience.

As for what I’m planning to do: sometime in 2018, I plan to hold a seminar
that goes over how to provide a more proper technical support offline. It’ll
involve talking about some NVDA internals, as well as common issues and
troubleshooting tasks, user-centric questions, etiquette and what not.

Tech support over the phone: as much as I’d like to offer phone support, I’m
a college (undergraduate) student and a forensics (speech and debate)
competitor, so my schedule is tight. I’m also teaching two related courses
on NVDA development (one on Python and another on NVDA internals) along with
my Windows Insider duties, so there’s not a lot of time I can devote to
phone support. I do agree that as much as online support system is valuable,
tech support over the phone is something we cannot forget. I’ll keep an eye
out for news on that front and see what can be done.

To the rest of the community: you know what to do: please help a college
student by stepping up to this challenge. I don’t want to hear words alone:
I want action please.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
susan@cantos.us
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 6:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed



Hi Joseph,
My expectations for tech support are all formats: email, dedicated tech
support, hands on guide and youtubes. The students I am working with and
teaching screen readers are generally 10 years old and up. We teach students
the basics of screen readers at the younger age and also start to teach them
about tech support and where to get support. We always teach them to look
online for support and love you tubes. However, there are times that the
online resources don't answer the questions at which point my students call
a tech support number. The reality of the situations is I have usually a 30
minute block to work on screen readers so when a problem comes up I am
looking for the most direct way to get an answer. Sometimes the fastest way
is to have a dedicated tech support number.

The issues I have been having are around google docs and google classroom.
All my schools are everything google and many times NVDA commands do not
execute the way they are supposed to. For example, we are using Firefox and
working on a google doc and when using the command to read all it doesn't
always execute. I do have the accessibility feature turned on. The same
command does work with NVDA in microsoft word. Issues like this are time
consuming to figure out and spend hours at home trying different
possibilities. If there was a dedicated number or live person to speak with
it might make this process more usable for teachers like myself. Screen
readers are one part of what we teach our students with visual impairments
during the day and it is very difficult to find time to do this work during
the school day.

Susan



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Re: important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for flash drives for the moment

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Interesting thread, guys.

I never thought of a batch sscript to do the trick. But yes, all file systems are still available using the “format” command from cmd or powershell.

 

It’s not just the devices for the blind that use Fat32. As I pointed out in a previous post, car stereos do as well. It would be very unwise of MS to remove support for it. For one thing, NTFS is a Windows file system that is not supported by many other devices/oses. Fat can work with basically anything, even though it has limitations. They’re the kind of limitations that don’t really matter when you just want to have music in your car, or whatever.

 

 

 

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Subject: Re: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for flash drives for the moment

 

Hi

You’re better at this than I am, I couldn’t even have cobbled this together. I can write a bash script to do it in Linux, since I know the cintax better and I know the command line programs that format stuff, but in windows? Not a chance. I never even considered that this was a bug, I assumed ms deliberately removed it hoping people will migrate over to the newer file systems. Which would be fine except that most blindy devices only support a limited set of them, mostly windows ones, or at least OS agnostic ones like fat and fat32. I do wish they would add ext2/3/4, btrfs, xfs, and some other Linux file systems as native support. It would go well with microsoft’s supposed mission of supporting the competition. It would go right in with wsl, windows subsystem for Linux and their support for gmail and iCloud email accounts. Whether it will happen though is anyone’s guess. I didn’t think they’d ever make windows installation accessible and when they did, they did it right, I have to say. Except for Cortana, that over rides narrator until you turn it off, and I’ve asked them to disable the speech intro if narrator is on. Still allow Cortana functionality, just disable the perky speech intro in favor of narrators, since it announces the intro anyway.

 

 

Thanks

Kendell Clark

 

 

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It does give a list no, but I guess some kind of addition could be made. I
have tweaked my system so that the drive letter is always e or f, but the
one I need to not format is m .
 Its very quick, some might say lazy. Ahem. I don't suggest I'm any good at
this stuff, just know enough to get by... :-)
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Hi

Thanks a lot for that little script, it was exactly what I was looking for.
Something to put on my desktop to to click on when I get a new flash drive.
Looking at the code, it seems to ask which stick to use, but does it
actually give a list of sticks, or do you need to provide the drive letter?
Also, a prompt for the volume label or name would be nice, but I think I can
edit the script to add that since the language doesn’t seem too hard.
Something like /p “volume name?” or similar?

Thanks

Kendell Clark





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for flash drives for the moment

Just in case I was thinking of this from my Windows 7 machine.
 Does this work in 10?

@echo off


set /p drive= Which stick should I use?
echo Please wait...

format %drive%:/fs:fat32/v:tested
pause
 exit

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> Hmm, this would be important to know as the majority of audio players for
> the blind that play ram sticks will not read ntfs.
> I'm sure you know most of these players only work on the order of files
> written, not on the file names as well.
> It seems a little odd to remove such an option.
>
> Luckily most players can read fat, and most generic sticks I see are pre
> formatted in that  way.
> Tell me, what about the command line way of formatting?
>
> If you don't know the syntax I can get it for you.
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> Subject: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for
> flash drives for the moment
>
>
> Hi all
> This is just a warning, nothing earth shattering. I discovered after
> unwrapping a new 64 gb flash drive for use with my nnls talking book
> player that windows 10 version 1709, all updates installed, only has the
> XFat, and ntfs options available when formatting the drive. The digital
> player can read neither of these file systems. I’ve submitted feedback to
> ms asking for fat32 to be restored but who knows if it will happen. This
> is a problem because unless the dp’s firmware is updated, extremely
> unlikely, people who use windows 10 won’t be able to format new flash
> drives or reformat old ones without using another program, which I’m sure
> exist. They won’t be able to do it out of the box unless ms restores the
> functionality.  This seems to only apply to flash drives. External hard
> drives have only the ntfs option. I’m posting hear because I’m not
> subscribed to the baard talk list any longer. Sorry if it’s off topic, but
> I wanted to let everyone know so others can jump on this or provide
> workarounds if needed. Right now I have a 32 gb flash drive I can use.
>
> Thanks
> Kendell Clark
>
>
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Re: important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for flash drives for the moment

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Hi.

I always use the format command from the command prompt, and I have a flash drive which we use in my girlfriend’s car, which works best with fat32 format. In fact, I think that might be the only format supported by the car stereo. So, yes, it definitely will format in fat32 if you do this way. Also running Windows 10 build 1709 here.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: December 24, 2017 11:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for flash drives for the moment

 

It appears from the documentation that the format-volume PowerShell command supports FAT32.

https://technet.microsoft.com/library/hh848665(v=wps.630).aspx

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of mk360
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 8:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for flash drives for the moment

 

What about using diskpart?

 

El 24/12/2017 a las 3:25, coffeekingms@... escribió:

Hi all

This is just a warning, nothing earth shattering. I discovered after unwrapping a new 64 gb flash drive for use with my nnls talking book player that windows 10 version 1709, all updates installed, only has the XFat, and ntfs options available when formatting the drive. The digital player can read neither of these file systems. I’ve submitted feedback to ms asking for fat32 to be restored but who knows if it will happen. This is a problem because unless the dp’s firmware is updated, extremely unlikely, people who use windows 10 won’t be able to format new flash drives or reformat old ones without using another program, which I’m sure exist. They won’t be able to do it out of the box unless ms restores the functionality.  This seems to only apply to flash drives. External hard drives have only the ntfs option. I’m posting hear because I’m not subscribed to the baard talk list any longer. Sorry if it’s off topic, but I wanted to let everyone know so others can jump on this or provide workarounds if needed. Right now I have a 32 gb flash drive I can use.

 

Thanks

Kendell Clark

 

 

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Re: Tech support: a possible training session during NVDACon 2018

Tony Ballou
 

Hi Joseph,


First from the door my friend all the best to you and yours this holiday season. What a fabulous idea! This will work, I love it. I don't think anyone has done a tech support presentation, at a convention.  At least, it has never happened in this area where I live.  and with the way things can go awry in computers and screen readers from time to time, this is something that most all of us can get into. 


Tony


Tony 


On 12/24/2017 12:14 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

 

Before I present the following idea to NVDACon organizers, I’d like to run it through with you to gather comments before proceeding:

 

As some of you may know, the NVDA community holds an annual gathering of community members to discuss NVDA and its present and future. Given that NVDACon 2018 proposals might be floating around the community (hopefully by early next year), coupled with recent tech support discussions, I was wondering if I should hold a training session during that gathering that goes over basics of tech support. Topics may include user-centric questions, troubleshooting steps, how to read NVDA log and what not.

 

Comments are welcome.

Cheers,

Joseph



Re: NVDA, Facebook and Outlook

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You need to look at changing the way pages are laid out then. You can as far as I know configure nvda so links are on different lines if you have no interest in the actual screen layout for the sighted. In a way that only matters if you need to talk to the sighted.


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Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, Facebook and Outlook


Hello,

I think I've figured the Facebook issue out. The links for messages and profile are next to each other, not underneath each other.

Latest version of Internet Explorer.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bhavya shah
Sent: Sunday, 24 December 2017 3:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, Facebook and Outlook

Hi Morne,
I use NVDA extensively on m.facebook.com with success. Could you specify the web browser and its version being used at your end while encountering difficulties in accessing your Messages?
Thanks.

On 12/24/17, Morne van der Merwe <mornevdmerwe@telkomsa.net> wrote:
Hello NVDA family,



I’m using NVDA with great success. I have 2 questions though.



I’m currently using the mobile site of Facebook on my computer. I find
that my previous screen reader reads more information than nvda on the
mobile site. For example: It is easier with my previous reader to find
the message link, while with NVDA I have to hit enter on a couple of
links in order to get to my messages. Does NVDA work well on the actual Facebook site?



Outlook: I’m using the latest version of Office. Is NVDA capable of
telling you how many unread emails there are? I have folders in
Outlook assigned to specific objects. I have an NVDA folder and
messages related to NVDA goes directly to that folder. With the
previous screen reader I could determine how many unread emails there
are by just arrowing down through the folders.
Is that possible with NVDA?



Thanks for your help in advance.



Kind regards

Morné


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Re: The Story of Rudolph Part II

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Sorry, I only saw the message from you a few minutes ago. Virgin email is often in a time warp. The gerbils in the treadmill need replacing again. :-)
 All is not lost, though I have not seen it for some time!
 
 Have a nice Christmas.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] The Story of Rudolph Part II

You may not have seen the message, but I responded as moderator.
 
Gene
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Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 3:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] The Story of Rudolph Part II

Hi, I think if you had wanted to post this, you might have been better to
have made it a dropbox text download, perhaps put into your sig line. Its
very long, and is rather USA-centric. I don't understand a lot of its
references here in the UK.
 That is not to discourage you from writing, but perhaps just flag it and
save a bit of space on the list. At the time of writing I see nobody
commented on this, but if I were a moderator here, I might be getting my
riding crop out!

:-)


You should have called your Reindeer after add ons to nvda. One could have
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Re: important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for flash drives for the moment

Jason White
 

It appears from the documentation that the format-volume PowerShell command supports FAT32.

https://technet.microsoft.com/library/hh848665(v=wps.630).aspx

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of mk360
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 8:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for flash drives for the moment

 

What about using diskpart?

 

El 24/12/2017 a las 3:25, coffeekingms@... escribió:

Hi all

This is just a warning, nothing earth shattering. I discovered after unwrapping a new 64 gb flash drive for use with my nnls talking book player that windows 10 version 1709, all updates installed, only has the XFat, and ntfs options available when formatting the drive. The digital player can read neither of these file systems. I’ve submitted feedback to ms asking for fat32 to be restored but who knows if it will happen. This is a problem because unless the dp’s firmware is updated, extremely unlikely, people who use windows 10 won’t be able to format new flash drives or reformat old ones without using another program, which I’m sure exist. They won’t be able to do it out of the box unless ms restores the functionality.  This seems to only apply to flash drives. External hard drives have only the ntfs option. I’m posting hear because I’m not subscribed to the baard talk list any longer. Sorry if it’s off topic, but I wanted to let everyone know so others can jump on this or provide workarounds if needed. Right now I have a 32 gb flash drive I can use.

 

Thanks

Kendell Clark

 

 

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Re: I'm dissappointed

 

Hi Susan,

Ah, you brought up important points, and a justification for what I’m about to do soon.

Google applications: there were several seminars/sessions during NVDA Users and Developers Conference (NVDACon) where Google apps were discussed. The most recent one was done by a Google engineer (NVDACon 2017) and talked about what Google is doing to make Chrome and other applications accessible.

You say you’re using Firefox? Which version is it and which NVDA version did you get? I highly recommend using NVDA 2017.3 or later and Firefox 52 or later for improved accessibility to Google applications. Also, bare in mind that Google apps do change from time to time, and in some cases, using Google Chrome (or Microsoft Edge on Windows 10) might offer a slightly better experience.

As for what I’m planning to do: sometime in 2018, I plan to hold a seminar that goes over how to provide a more proper technical support offline. It’ll involve talking about some NVDA internals, as well as common issues and troubleshooting tasks, user-centric questions, etiquette and what not.

Tech support over the phone: as much as I’d like to offer phone support, I’m a college (undergraduate) student and a forensics (speech and debate) competitor, so my schedule is tight. I’m also teaching two related courses on NVDA development (one on Python and another on NVDA internals) along with my Windows Insider duties, so there’s not a lot of time I can devote to phone support. I do agree that as much as online support system is valuable, tech support over the phone is something we cannot forget. I’ll keep an eye out for news on that front and see what can be done.

To the rest of the community: you know what to do: please help a college student by stepping up to this challenge. I don’t want to hear words alone: I want action please.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of susan@...
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 6:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm dissappointed

 

Hi Joseph,
My expectations for tech support are all formats: email, dedicated tech support, hands on guide and youtubes. The students I am working with and teaching screen readers are generally 10 years old and up. We teach students the basics of screen readers at the younger age and also start to teach them about tech support and where to get support. We always teach them to look online for support and love you tubes. However, there are times that the online resources don't answer the questions at which point my students call a tech support number. The reality of the situations is I have usually a 30 minute block to work on screen readers so when a problem comes up I am looking for the most direct way to get an answer. Sometimes the fastest way is to have a dedicated tech support number.

The issues I have been having are around google docs and google classroom. All my schools are everything google and many times NVDA commands do not execute the way they are supposed to. For example, we are using Firefox and working on a google doc and when using the command to read all it doesn't always execute. I do have the accessibility feature turned on. The same command does work with NVDA in microsoft word. Issues like this are time consuming to figure out and spend hours at home trying different possibilities. If there was a dedicated number or  live person to speak with it might make this process more usable for teachers like myself. Screen readers are one part of what we teach our students with visual impairments during the day and it is very difficult to find time to do this work during the school day. 

Susan


Re: NVDA, Facebook and Outlook

Gene
 

Looking through the settings might or might not allow the user to make a reasonable guess about what the setting does.  It depends on part on the general level of knowledge the user has about how browse mode reformats web pages and can guess about what this setting might do. 
 
We've been talking about technical support in another thread.  I'll say this about technical support or list help, for that matter.  It isn't a good use of anyone's time, list members, a technical support person, or the user's time, to have a problem or question come up caused completely by a bad default setting and for no other reason.  This is an example. 
 
Also, if someone is evaluating NVDA, the person may be left with a less favorable impression than he/she otherwise would have had had the unnecessary problem not occurred.  A lot of people aren't on this list who use NVDA.  A lot of people will never know what is causing this sort of problem and they may, if they have a choice, continue to use what they used before that didn't cause this problem. 
 
Gene
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Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, Facebook and Outlook

You can go to nvda settings and choose not to use screen layout and I
think that should solve the problem.

One question: did you spend ten minutes exploring nvda settings? I do
not think so by your question because one who knows nothing like me has
understood it just exploring...

Best and remember to explore the screen reader you are using.

Angela from Italy

P.S Do not take it as personal because I don't know you at all, it is
just a suggestion, humble  opinion. We want tech support, but we also
must be able to help ourselves by exploring things on our own.



Il 24/12/2017 14:46, Morne van der Merwe ha scritto:
> Hello,
>
> I think I've figured the Facebook issue out. The links for messages and profile are next to each other, not underneath each other.
>
> Latest version of Internet Explorer.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bhavya shah
> Sent: Sunday, 24 December 2017 3:40 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, Facebook and Outlook
>
> Hi Morne,
> I use NVDA extensively on m.facebook.com with success. Could you specify the web browser and its version being used at your end while encountering difficulties in accessing your Messages?
> Thanks.
>
> On 12/24/17, Morne van der Merwe <mornevdmerwe@...> wrote:
>> Hello NVDA family,
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m using NVDA with great success. I have 2 questions though.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m currently using the mobile site of Facebook on my computer. I find
>> that my previous screen reader reads more information than nvda on the
>> mobile site. For example: It is easier with my previous reader to find
>> the message link, while with NVDA I have to hit enter on a couple of
>> links in order to get to my messages. Does NVDA work well on the actual Facebook site?
>>
>>
>>
>> Outlook:  I’m using the latest version of Office. Is NVDA capable of
>> telling you how many unread emails there are? I have folders in
>> Outlook assigned to specific objects. I have an NVDA folder and
>> messages related to NVDA goes directly to that folder. With the
>> previous screen reader I could determine how many unread emails there
>> are by just arrowing down through the folders.
>> Is that possible with NVDA?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for your help in advance.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Morné
>>
>>
>
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>
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Re: important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for flash drives for the moment

Roger Stewart
 

I have a utility called FAT 32 Format that will do the trick.  Can't remember where I got this thing, but it was free.  Maybe it's still around or maybe there's an updated version. 

Roger







On 12/24/2017 1:24 AM, coffeekingms@... wrote:

Hi

Would you be willing to post that for me? I believe I’m on the right group but I’m not positive. I can’t say absolutely that it’s universal, but the fat32 option is gone on every single flash drive I have hear, even my wife’s ones, which are already formatted properly. People can still of course use Linux to format them, using mkfs.vfat, but that’s not really user friendly. Some desktops in Linux have a format option that makes it a lot easier, gnome and mate both do, but windows doesn’t right now. The format command line program, if it still exists might be able to do it, but the functionality might be removed there if it hasn’t already been.

Thanks

Kendell Clark

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 12:52:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for flash drives for the moment
 

Hi,

How about with other flash drives? If it is universal, then it is better to post it on Win10 forum as an advisory.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of coffeekingms@...
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 10:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for flash drives for the moment

 

Hi all

This is just a warning, nothing earth shattering. I discovered after unwrapping a new 64 gb flash drive for use with my nnls talking book player that windows 10 version 1709, all updates installed, only has the XFat, and ntfs options available when formatting the drive. The digital player can read neither of these file systems. I’ve submitted feedback to ms asking for fat32 to be restored but who knows if it will happen. This is a problem because unless the dp’s firmware is updated, extremely unlikely, people who use windows 10 won’t be able to format new flash drives or reformat old ones without using another program, which I’m sure exist. They won’t be able to do it out of the box unless ms restores the functionality.  This seems to only apply to flash drives. External hard drives have only the ntfs option. I’m posting hear because I’m not subscribed to the baard talk list any longer. Sorry if it’s off topic, but I wanted to let everyone know so others can jump on this or provide workarounds if needed. Right now I have a 32 gb flash drive I can use.

 

Thanks

Kendell Clark

 

 

Sent from my Vizio Ultrabook

 



Re: Golden Cursor December 23rd snapshot/emergency patch posted

 

Hi,
As noted earlier, I don't post about what's under development on the public
facing page.
Cheers,
Joseph

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor December 23rd snapshot/emergency patch
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Can these commands be seen though? IE an addendum that they are changing to,
xxx in the main page might be prudent to stop duplicate calls for help. I
also do not really agree about removal of the sound. it may well be a ring
but in this case its for a different purpose entirely.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 3:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor December 23rd snapshot/emergency patch
posted


Hi,

I usually don't post things about what's under development on add-ons
website. The corrected commands will go up once 2.0 stable is out.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene New Zealand
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 7:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor December 23rd snapshot/emergency
patch posted



Hi Joseph



Just checked and the commands are correct now if you access them from
inside of the add on manager for golden cursor.



but i would hate to say this if you go to the get add- ons page under the
golden cursor page it is incorrect there for those same 2 commands.

I always thought when you opened the help section under the add on manager
section it would take you to the same place but seems not. so is there a
copy on or in the add on?

I have never checked and i guess there would be there just in case you did
not have internet access?

Or is this still to be done?



sorry to give you some more greys.



Gene nz











On 12/24/2017 1:39 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi everyone,



Thanks to quick feedback from a user, an emergency patch for Golden Cursor
December 23rd snapshot is now up:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/goldenCursor.en.html



Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph



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