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Re: A few questions

Andre Fisher
 

Hi.

Remember OneCore and SAPI5 are two different sets of voices (mobile vs. desktop). So they have different sets of voices. As it relates to the Phonetic Punctuation add-on, an ellipses (...) is sent to the synthesizer for processing by default when the symbol levels are set to None and Some (below Most). Go into the Symbol Pronunciation dialog and configure it to never be passed to the synth.


Re: NVDA is misbehave in text boxes on some websites

Socheat Muth
 

Hello,


Yes, I'm sure it is. Using the latest version of Chrome here.


Socheat


On 5/19/2020 6:09 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Is the focus definitely in the edit box with NVDA in focus mode?  I just tried in the current versions of Chrome (Version 81.0.4044.138 (Official Build) (64-bit)) and Firefox (76.0.1 64-bit) on the AudioGames site and it's working for me with NVDA 2020.1.

Quentin.

On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 10:10 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I've seen web page editors that are not properly accesible.  Write your message in Notepad, then paste it into the text area of the web page.  If you can't read it when browse mode is off, you can probably read it to verify it is there when browse mode is on. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2020 3:51 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA is misbehave in text boxes on some websites

Hello all,


I don't know if the topic like this already created, but I couldn't find
it somehow. If this had already been created in the past, I am really sorry.


Anyway, I was browsing audiogames.net forum, and when I want to reply to
a topic. So I went into a  text area so that   I can input some texts
into it. However, when I arrowing up and down to review what I have
typed into the box, NVDA acts like there is nothing in the text box at
all. Also sometimes NVDA report the same character twice when I tried
edeting character by character by using the left or right arrow keys.


Does anyone know what could be the problem? And if so, is there a fix
for it currently?


Thanks.





--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: The next evolution of NVDA?

Luke Robinett
 

Yes, SIBIAC is the one. Thanks to those of you who chimed in with the name. I haven’t used the plug-in much myself but it’s very popular in the Reaper Without Peepers listserv, A group dedicated to discussion of accessibility for the Reaper digital recording application.

On May 18, 2020, at 4:29 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

For those who want to know more about SIBIAC, see:  https://reaperaccessibility.com/index.php/SIBIAC_add_on_for_NVDA

It is strictly for Reaper and requires a minimum screen resolution of 1920x1080, which would rule it out for me on a laptop.

AI is a marvelous thing, and there will definitely be major advances in the coming years.  But it will be a very long time before it comes close to what wetware (the human brain) can do.  Not to mention that AI, like other humans, will make choices that you, personally, may not prefer,a particularly until it trains itself to you.

It's interesting to see what people envision as far as AI.  I've been saying for a long time that if we could train a screen reader to consider a web page the way most sighted individuals do when they see them, which means instantly ignoring an awful lot of stuff, it would be so much faster to get to the information that's generally being sought.  But even then, what I consider extraneous you may consider essential, or vice versa.  But that's not likely to be the case for things like navigation bars and the collections of links that appear at the bottom (and sometimes top) of a very great many web pages.  If those get used once every hundred visits to most sites, with the exception of newspapers where their sections are generally presented near the top, that's probably an overestimate.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: The next evolution of NVDA?

 

For those who want to know more about SIBIAC, see:  https://reaperaccessibility.com/index.php/SIBIAC_add_on_for_NVDA

It is strictly for Reaper and requires a minimum screen resolution of 1920x1080, which would rule it out for me on a laptop.

AI is a marvelous thing, and there will definitely be major advances in the coming years.  But it will be a very long time before it comes close to what wetware (the human brain) can do.  Not to mention that AI, like other humans, will make choices that you, personally, may not prefer,a particularly until it trains itself to you.

It's interesting to see what people envision as far as AI.  I've been saying for a long time that if we could train a screen reader to consider a web page the way most sighted individuals do when they see them, which means instantly ignoring an awful lot of stuff, it would be so much faster to get to the information that's generally being sought.  But even then, what I consider extraneous you may consider essential, or vice versa.  But that's not likely to be the case for things like navigation bars and the collections of links that appear at the bottom (and sometimes top) of a very great many web pages.  If those get used once every hundred visits to most sites, with the exception of newspapers where their sections are generally presented near the top, that's probably an overestimate.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: A few questions

Quentin Christensen
 

What problems do you have using configuration profiles?  I'm not aware of any big issues with them.

I'm not sure about the SAPI 5 vs OneCore voices although I expect some voices might only be available in one or the other perhaps?

Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 1:01 AM Akshaya Choudhary <acsociopath@...> wrote:
 
Hello guys,
I have a few questions:
1.    Is there a way to have different punctuation settings for different voices or synthesizers? I think it can be done by creating a different configuration profile. But, my NVDA starts behaving weird if there are more than one configuration profiles. So, an alternative is welcome.
2.    I have 6 voices available in my Windows One Core synthesizer, but when I switch to SAPI 5, I can only access two of those voices. What could be the reason? The two available SAPI 5 voices are English US voices. The other two set of voices that are only available in One Core synthesizer are Indian English and Hindi.
3.    In Phonetic Punctuation add-on, some audio rules stay active regardless of the set punctuation level. For example, if Phonetic Punctuation is turned on, I hear sounds for ellipsis; left and right parenthesis’s; and editable field, even when my punctuation level is set to none.   Any suggestions to fix this?
Also, can there be a setting allowing the users to set  independent punctuation levels for the audio rules?
I shall be grateful for any feedback.
 

--
Regards,
Sociohack



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: NVDA is misbehave in text boxes on some websites

Quentin Christensen
 

Is the focus definitely in the edit box with NVDA in focus mode?  I just tried in the current versions of Chrome (Version 81.0.4044.138 (Official Build) (64-bit)) and Firefox (76.0.1 64-bit) on the AudioGames site and it's working for me with NVDA 2020.1.

Quentin.

On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 10:10 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I've seen web page editors that are not properly accesible.  Write your message in Notepad, then paste it into the text area of the web page.  If you can't read it when browse mode is off, you can probably read it to verify it is there when browse mode is on. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2020 3:51 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA is misbehave in text boxes on some websites

Hello all,


I don't know if the topic like this already created, but I couldn't find
it somehow. If this had already been created in the past, I am really sorry.


Anyway, I was browsing audiogames.net forum, and when I want to reply to
a topic. So I went into a  text area so that   I can input some texts
into it. However, when I arrowing up and down to review what I have
typed into the box, NVDA acts like there is nothing in the text box at
all. Also sometimes NVDA report the same character twice when I tried
edeting character by character by using the left or right arrow keys.


Does anyone know what could be the problem? And if so, is there a fix
for it currently?


Thanks.





--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: The next evolution of NVDA?

 

Great idea. Make a feature request for it on the NVDA github.


Re: The next evolution of NVDA?

Daniel Wolak
 

Hi,
The plugin that is being referred to is I believe Sibiac (Single Image Blob Interface Accessible Control).
Here's a link to the website containing more information:
http://www.azslow.com/index.php?topic=372.0

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: May 18, 2020 6:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] The next evolution of NVDA?

Hi,
We need the name of the plugin please. Besides that, all we can say is that the wheel has begun to spin.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Robinett
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2020 3:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] The next evolution of NVDA?

As a home recording enthusiast, I use various types of music production software in conjunction with NVDA. There’s a very interesting NVDA plug-in that basically grants users access to graphical interfaces that are otherwise completely inaccessible. you run into a lot of these types of apps in the music world, such as various software instruments and effects plugins. anyway, I don’t quite understand how it does it’s magic but basically it uses optical character recognition to figure out what’s on the interface and you can then navigate its various controls like any other app. I do believe it requires specific templates to be developed for whatever software you are using it with. I’m just wondering, it seems like this type of approach could signal the next evolution of screen reader technology. Imagine if a screen reader could use artificial intelligence and machine learning along with existing strategies to grant us access to basically any interface, whether or not it followed accessibility standards. I wonder if such a thing will be possible in the near future outside of these very specific use cases like I described. Interesting food for thought.


Re: The next evolution of NVDA?

 

Hi,
We need the name of the plugin please. Besides that, all we can say is that the wheel has begun to spin.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Robinett
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2020 3:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] The next evolution of NVDA?

As a home recording enthusiast, I use various types of music production software in conjunction with NVDA. There’s a very interesting NVDA plug-in that basically grants users access to graphical interfaces that are otherwise completely inaccessible. you run into a lot of these types of apps in the music world, such as various software instruments and effects plugins. anyway, I don’t quite understand how it does it’s magic but basically it uses optical character recognition to figure out what’s on the interface and you can then navigate its various controls like any other app. I do believe it requires specific templates to be developed for whatever software you are using it with. I’m just wondering, it seems like this type of approach could signal the next evolution of screen reader technology. Imagine if a screen reader could use artificial intelligence and machine learning along with existing strategies to grant us access to basically any interface, whether or not it followed accessibility standards. I wonder if such a thing will be possible in the near future outside of these very specific use cases like I described. Interesting food for thought.


Re: The next evolution of NVDA?

William Wong
 

I do hope to have such advancement.

But would you think that AI improvement would some day replace such thing called screen reader and all will be done byAI?


Luke Robinett 於 19/5/2020 6:00 寫道:

As a home recording enthusiast, I use various types of music production software in conjunction with NVDA. There’s a very interesting NVDA plug-in that basically grants users access to graphical interfaces that are otherwise completely inaccessible. you run into a lot of these types of apps in the music world, such as various software instruments and effects plugins. anyway, I don’t quite understand how it does it’s magic but basically it uses optical character recognition to figure out what’s on the interface and you can then navigate its various controls like any other app. I do believe it requires specific templates to be developed for whatever software you are using it with. I’m just wondering, it seems like this type of approach could signal the next evolution of screen reader technology. Imagine if a screen reader could use artificial intelligence and machine learning along with existing strategies to grant us access to basically any interface, whether or not it followed accessibility standards. I wonder if such a thing will be possible in the near future outside of these very specific use cases like I described. Interesting food for thought.


The next evolution of NVDA?

Luke Robinett
 

As a home recording enthusiast, I use various types of music production software in conjunction with NVDA. There’s a very interesting NVDA plug-in that basically grants users access to graphical interfaces that are otherwise completely inaccessible. you run into a lot of these types of apps in the music world, such as various software instruments and effects plugins. anyway, I don’t quite understand how it does it’s magic but basically it uses optical character recognition to figure out what’s on the interface and you can then navigate its various controls like any other app. I do believe it requires specific templates to be developed for whatever software you are using it with. I’m just wondering, it seems like this type of approach could signal the next evolution of screen reader technology. Imagine if a screen reader could use artificial intelligence and machine learning along with existing strategies to grant us access to basically any interface, whether or not it followed accessibility standards. I wonder if such a thing will be possible in the near future outside of these very specific use cases like I described. Interesting food for thought.


Golden Cursor and Gold wave add-on for NVDA 19.2.1

Akshaya Choudhary
 

Hello,
Can someone provide me versions of Golden Cursor and Gold Wave add-on that work with NVDA 19.2.1? 
--
Regards,
Sociohack


Re: Need tips and tricks on the use of Google Docs with NVDA

Ibrahim Abedrabbo
 

Hi David,

I have two questions for you. First, from your experience, which browser is more reliable with Google Docs, Google Chrome or Fire Fox? Second, I am following the AFB tutorial to learn how to use google docs with Fire Fox, and it says that by hitting control alt z will enable or disable screen reader support, However, When I press control alt z, I get no feedback to know if the screen reader support is toggled on or off. What do you think I am doing wrong?

 

Cheers,


Ibrahim

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2020 11:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need tips and tricks on the use of Google Docs with NVDA

 

Google Docs is very accessible with NVDA. I use Docs a lot, to produce well formatted documents. If you use Google’s commands to navigate, you will have a great experience. Let me know what you need help with.

 

On Sat, May 16, 2020, 10:46 PM Ibrahim Abedrabbo <abedrabboibrahim@...> wrote:

Hi Folks,

I will be forced to use Google Docs as one of my distant instruction tools. I have never used google docs before. How accessible is Google Docs with NVDA?

I hope those of you who have used Google Docs with NVDA would share their experience with me and give me some tricks and tips and works around to use it effectively.

 

Regards,

 

Ibrahim


A few questions

Akshaya Choudhary
 

 
Hello guys,
I have a few questions:
1.    Is there a way to have different punctuation settings for different voices or synthesizers? I think it can be done by creating a different configuration profile. But, my NVDA starts behaving weird if there are more than one configuration profiles. So, an alternative is welcome.
2.    I have 6 voices available in my Windows One Core synthesizer, but when I switch to SAPI 5, I can only access two of those voices. What could be the reason? The two available SAPI 5 voices are English US voices. The other two set of voices that are only available in One Core synthesizer are Indian English and Hindi.
3.    In Phonetic Punctuation add-on, some audio rules stay active regardless of the set punctuation level. For example, if Phonetic Punctuation is turned on, I hear sounds for ellipsis; left and right parenthesis’s; and editable field, even when my punctuation level is set to none.   Any suggestions to fix this?
Also, can there be a setting allowing the users to set  independent punctuation levels for the audio rules?
I shall be grateful for any feedback.
 

--
Regards,
Sociohack


Re: Edit Windows onecore voices

CARLOS-ESTEBAN
 

Hello.

This is not possible in the NVDA core, because the APPI used by the old add-on is... Well, a legal situation.

Regards.

 

 

Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10

 

De: Marco Oros
Enviado: lunes, 18 de mayo de 2020 4:01
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: [nvda] Edit Windows onecore voices

 

Hello.

 

I have noticed, that in Moderator, when I press some keys, letters are

normally reproduced. In voice assistant, situation is not so good.

 

Please, could You edit onecore voices to have some echoes of keys, as in

moderator?

 

Or, as in former addon speech mobile?

 

Thank You.

 

Marco Oros

 

 

 

 


Re: Accessibility of go to meeting or Google meetings with NVDA

CARLOS-ESTEBAN
 

Hello.

Yes, Google Meeting is very accesible. Google, Microsoft and other work in the accessibility with the screen readers in the new applications.

 

 

 

Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10

 

De: Cecelia Rodriguez
Enviado: domingo, 17 de mayo de 2020 20:24
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: [nvda] Accessibility of go to meeting or Google meetings with NVDA

 

 

 

Our go to meeting or Google meetings accessible with NVDA?

 

 


Re: problem with nvda chrome and pressing enter on items

Jonathan COHN
 

Does this happen for all links or does it only happen on a few sites. Also, are you using the current version, or do you use pre-release or prevent updating. I haven’t heard of these issues except in some very specific design errors on a site, but I have been concentrating on Firefox recently.

Jonathan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Monday, May 18, 2020 at 9:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] problem with nvda chrome and pressing enter on items

External email alert: Be wary of links & attachments.


Hello list,


I'm having a problem with nvda only inside of chrome. Before while
surfing the web with chrome I could tab onto a link or a menu item and
then press enter and it would bring me to the next page or download the
file of the link I click on. Now all of a sudden if I tab to an item and
then press enter nothing happens. I have to use the arrow keys to land
on the item or link press enter and it then works.
Any ideas of why tabbing to something doesn't work anymore but if I
arrow to it it will work. Any help is greatly appreciated. This is
really messing with my work flow.



problem with nvda chrome and pressing enter on items

Jonathan Nadeau
 

Hello list,


I'm having a problem with nvda only inside of chrome. Before while surfing the web with chrome I could tab onto a link or a menu item and then press enter and it would bring me to the next page or download the file of the link I click on. Now all of a sudden if I tab to an item and then press enter nothing happens. I have to use the arrow keys to land on the item or link press enter and it then works.
Any ideas of why tabbing to something doesn't work anymore but if I arrow to it it will work. Any help is greatly appreciated. This is really messing with my work flow.


Re: NVDA is misbehave in text boxes on some websites

Gene
 

I've seen web page editors that are not properly accesible.  Write your message in Notepad, then paste it into the text area of the web page.  If you can't read it when browse mode is off, you can probably read it to verify it is there when browse mode is on. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2020 3:51 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA is misbehave in text boxes on some websites

Hello all,


I don't know if the topic like this already created, but I couldn't find
it somehow. If this had already been created in the past, I am really sorry.


Anyway, I was browsing audiogames.net forum, and when I want to reply to
a topic. So I went into a  text area so that   I can input some texts
into it. However, when I arrowing up and down to review what I have
typed into the box, NVDA acts like there is nothing in the text box at
all. Also sometimes NVDA report the same character twice when I tried
edeting character by character by using the left or right arrow keys.


Does anyone know what could be the problem? And if so, is there a fix
for it currently?


Thanks.




Edit Windows onecore voices

Marco Oros
 

Hello.

I have noticed, that in Moderator, when I press some keys, letters are normally reproduced. In voice assistant, situation is not so good.

Please, could You edit onecore voices to have some echoes of keys, as in moderator?

Or, as in former addon speech mobile?

Thank You.

Marco Oros