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Re: Weather Plus 4.6 20.12.2017 update available

Adriano Barbieri
 


Hi,
 
Ok, in the next version will not be able to choose the download location, so there will be no more of these problems.
I think Robert Hänggi has reason to asu this point.
Many users, for fear of overwriting the file have practically canceled the update procedure, that's why WP always asks for the update continuously.
 
Cheers
Adriano
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Weather Plus 4.6 20.12.2017 update available

Yeah AAdrino should have NVDA trigger it only once not everytime NVDA needs to be restarted or if you do a restart of your machine etc.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rich De Steno
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 2:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Weather Plus 4.6 20.12.2017 update available

 

I had to disabled the Weather Plus add-on due to the frequency of the notices to update it.  It was just getting to be too frequent for me.

 

On 12/21/2017 2:43 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:

I have downloaded this update twice.  Of course, the second time I was warned that I was overwriting  an existing file.  I installed it twice.  Yet when NVDA first starts, it says there is an update available.  I'd like to get this done with, huh?  Thanks for any thoughts.

Howard

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 7:10 AM

Subject: [nvda] Weather Plus 4.6 20.12.2017 update available

 

Hi to every one,
Changes in this version:
* Added arab localization (thanks to Wafik immaculate).

 

Weather Plus can update alone, however, it is possible to download
manually from the following links:
http://www.nvda.it/files/plugin/weather_plus4.6.nvda-addon
or from page:
http://www.nvda.it/weather-plus/
or from page:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/weatherPlus.en.html


Merry Christmas

Adriano Barbieri



-- 
Rich De Steno

 


Is there any way to stop Windows 10 updates from interfering with my settings?

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Hi everyone.

 

So I’ve heard all the arguments and I’m not here to bitch about Windows always wanting to update itself. However, I must say I am very annoyed. Sometimes, when Windows updates, changes I have made continually are getting revoked, and reset back to their original values. Examples would be Windows Mobile Device Centre, which at some point between Anniversary and Creators’ update disabled a setting that I need to use my old Windows ME device with the computer (a Braille note, if anyone’s curious). Cortana reactivates itself even though I specifically took action to disable it. More pertinently to this list, a while ago I became very annoyed at the long pauses Microsoft Core voice inserts between sentences and after detecting a comma. I was instructed by a very helpful person on this list to edit an .ini file, which, although it was not quite in the location he specified, did the trick very nicely. Well, here we go again: nVDA, using MS Core voices, is pausing for as much as two seconds between sentences, and I hate it. Of course, I’m going to go back into that .ini file, and change it again. How long before Microsoft, in their infinite wisdom, decides that no, I really don’t want things set the way I say I want, and undoes what I took time and effort to change? How can I prevent this sort of garbage from happening, or is this just the kind of thing PC users have to live with nowadays?

 

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

JM

 


Re: competition

Lino Morales
 

Crap. My message didn’t come through.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Lino Morales
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 3:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] competition

 

It enter to open a new MSG.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: erik burggraaf
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 2:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] competition

 

Hi, please double check.  I'm pretty sure I wrote less useless.  Narrater is supposedly getting better, though I myself haven't found it useful for anything except the windows setup screens and installing NVDA on a new computer.  :-)  When it does come up to spec it will prove my point about competition not improving the quality of screen readers.

In fact, it's fair to say that software designers and screen reader designers are increasingly being forced by microsoft to standardize.  More and more of the underlying frameworks that control access are coming from microsoft.  That being the case, it makes less and less difference which screen reader you use since they use all of the same guts.  Why then pay enterprise prices when you can have NVDA, or narrater if it gets good enough.

Then again, windows seems to be headed toward cloud based OS workable across devices.  So, will windows require it's own screen reader in three to five years, or will it be talkback and voiceover compatible?

Best,

Erik

On December 21, 2017 2:19:33 PM "Lino Morales" <linomorales001@...> wrote:

R more uuseless? Itss gotten better under WIN 10.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: erik burggraaf
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 2:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] competition

 

Competition makes a lot of products better.  I've never seen any evidence that this applies to screen readers though.

Windows is the only OS without built in access.  Narrater is less and less useless all the time, but it's not up to the quality of what's built in to any other OS on the market.

Windows is the only system with a multi-screenreader approach.  Lots of people tried to capitalize on android access, but the built in features are good enough to put paid and even free competitors out of business.

Competition never brought the prices down or the functionality up.  Users certainly didn't benefit from the legal snyping of the big AT companies or the antitrust of microsoft building in it's own screen reader.  Oddly enough, the same people who lobbied against microsoft building it's own screen reader also lobbie governments for exclusivity agreements to sell only one of the so called competing products.  What do we call that when microsoft tries it?  Antitrust.  Huh...  How do users benefit from the exclusivity agreements?

NVDA development isn't driven by competition with other screen readers.  It's driven by the community through donations of code and money and other talents derived from the community. 

Even when there were many products competing in the market, I didn't see any evidence that the competition improved the over all performance, stability, feature sets or monitary value of screen reader products in general.

Now that the actual number of windows screen readers is shrinking, and the number of viably accessible OS is growing, and the business models of windows screen readers are so dramatically different, I believe pmarket competition is even less important than it was five or ten yearss ago.  I mean, what's the value of an exclusivity agreement to sell only one product when the next best competitor can be downloaded for free by any one with a computer?

Best,

Erik

On December 20, 2017 12:45:24 AM "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@...> wrote:

I'm actually up for  competition. It will make each product better and better as time goes by.. I didn't want to use nvda in 2006 or 2007  when it came out as jaws at the time was the best. Now I won't touch jaws with a 10 foot pole. I tried to make my work switch but their excuse was that nvda was not meant for the word place and they would not consider it.

 

Take care



On Dec 19, 2017, at 9:17 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:

 

Yes. All you have to do is go into the prefferences menu under tools and add-ons. Tab to get add-ons and your default browser should open to the page.

 

On 12/18/2017 8:45 PM, Karim Lakhani wrote:

 I'm not sure what language you are writing?

What screen reader are  you using voice over?

The reason I didn't want to downloads is because I don't know how?

When NVDA updates I get the notification and install it without worry about finding scripts, add no's or what ever window eye's use to call it.

Does that make sense to you?

 

 

 

EMAIL:karim.lakhani@...

$$$$

SKYPE: goldenace4

$$$$

Your reputation is in the hands of others. That's what a
reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
can control is your character.
- Wayne Walter Dyer (1940-)

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent:
 Monday, December 18, 2017 6:26 PM
To:
 nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject:
 Re: [nvda] competition

Thir is on ly one NVDA. You want add-ons download them. What does VO have to do with it? Meanwhile as Kereme hits the nog in Canada again...

 

On 12/18/2017 8:22 PM, Karim Lakhani wrote:

Could we as NVDA users have the choice which version works the best for the individual?

That way we can choose which version to down load?

personally the voice over APP. with the Phone's out of the box it's great.

People can jail break and all, so as the people who code NVDA, would have to be the persons who decides what is important.

 

EMAIL:karim.lakhani@...

$$$$

SKYPE: goldenace4

$$$$

Your reputation is in the hands of others. That's what a
reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
can control is your character.
- Wayne Walter Dyer (1940-)

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sam Taylor
Sent:
 Monday, December 18, 2017 4:42 PM
To:
 nvda@...
Subject:
 Re: [nvda] competition

Karim,

They are not included because Add-ons, as the name suggests, are optional. Integrating them into the installer would mean that the installer filesize would be inflated, resulting in a much bigger download for everyone.

 

On 19/12/2017 9:30 am, Karim Lakhani wrote:

Hi,

Can someone explain why add are not included in the main install of the APP.

If the add on's are useable by all the community, why not add them in the main install?

I hope this doesn't come down to the amount of data you have, I know it will be cheaper then 1800.00

 

Some of us don't have the knowledge to accomplish these functions.

I think it's like Elisa, she only gets smarter the more you use it.

 

 

EMAIL:karimlakhani@...

$$$$

SKYPE: goldenace4

$$$$

Your reputation is in the hands of others. That's what a
reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
can control is your character.
- Wayne Walter Dyer (1940-)

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike and Jenna
Sent:
 Monday, December 18, 2017 10:39 AM
To:
 nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject:
 Re: [nvda] competition

I have to agree with this. My wife asked to question the other day why use NVDA if I have to install addons to do the stuff I want to do then also have to keep them updated. I see this a lot with the disability place I work for part time. I have several elders after showing them nvda and jaws have chosen jaws do to the fact they don’t have to deal with addons.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 8:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] competition

A lot of NVDA users won't ever know enough to know that there are add ons nor how to install them.  You are free to remove any add ons you don't want and, for experienced users who understand the implications, a no add ons NVDA can be offered if it really matters, which I don't think it does  I'm not talking about including add on after add on in NVDA.  I'm saying that some add ons should be included because you aren't serving a lot of blind people well by not doing so, meaning the large number, who will never use add ons they have to download and install.  Instead of spending time and resources reinventing the wheel just to make it a part of core NVDA code, just include the add on.  

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 6:19 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] competition

What I've liked and am liking of the AddOns on NVDA is the ability to install those that suits are needs, thus NVDA should be pure as always, but with each of us adding the necessary AddOns for our daily use.

El 17/12/2017 a las 06:16 p.m., Rui Fontes escribió:

Sorry, Gene, but if some of the addons will be shipped with NVDA and set to run, they should stop being addons and start being part of NVDA core...

Addon, by definition, is a piece of software to execute a specific function that does not make part of the NVDA core...

Regards,

Rui Fontes

Às 00:07 de 18/12/2017, Gene escreveu:

NVDA doesn't have to adopt every popular feature of other screen-readers to compete.  I don't have much opinion about whether this feature is implemented in NVDA directly or by an add on.  It is a peripheral feature and not an actual screen-reader feature.  It is a proper question whether NVDA development time and resources should be put into this project.  And an add on wouldn't divert NVDA time and resources.  However, when it comes to add ons, NVDA should do what Window-eyes used to do, not because Window-eyes does it, but because it serves users well, is logical and there is no reason of any substance not to do it.  

Window-eyes used to accomplish a number of functions by having a number of what it pretentiously called apps, they were really scripts, but they were available to users as add ons and were shipped with Window-eyes and were set to run at the time of installation.  Many users of whatever screen-reader they use will never learn enough to know anything about add ons.  there are a number of add ons that should be incorporated into NVDA as addons that are downloaded and are running when NVDA is run. 

If this were done, the major objection against making a feature an add on would be done away with.  the objection is that a lot of people will never know about add ons and never use whatever is being discussed.  If this objection were done away with by having many add ons be included in NVDA as running add ons at the time of download and installation or portable use, the whole question and argument about whether something should be an add on could be done away with.  

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Don H

Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 4:16 PM

Subject: [nvda] competition

When it comes to the new screen shade function in Jaws 2018 and if NVDA 
should also have the same function the main question is whether or not 
NVDA is in competition with other screen readers in order to get more 
users or is NVDA just a free screen reader for those who can't afford to 
pay for a screen reader.






-- 
Gera
Enviado desde Thunderbird

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Weather Plus 4.6 20.12.2017 update available

Lino Morales
 

Yeah AAdrino should have NVDA trigger it only once not everytime NVDA needs to be restarted or if you do a restart of your machine etc.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rich De Steno
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 2:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Weather Plus 4.6 20.12.2017 update available

 

I had to disabled the Weather Plus add-on due to the frequency of the notices to update it.  It was just getting to be too frequent for me.

 

On 12/21/2017 2:43 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:

I have downloaded this update twice.  Of course, the second time I was warned that I was overwriting  an existing file.  I installed it twice.  Yet when NVDA first starts, it says there is an update available.  I'd like to get this done with, huh?  Thanks for any thoughts.

Howard

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 7:10 AM

Subject: [nvda] Weather Plus 4.6 20.12.2017 update available

 

Hi to every one,
Changes in this version:
* Added arab localization (thanks to Wafik immaculate).

 

Weather Plus can update alone, however, it is possible to download
manually from the following links:
http://www.nvda.it/files/plugin/weather_plus4.6.nvda-addon
or from page:
http://www.nvda.it/weather-plus/
or from page:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/weatherPlus.en.html


Merry Christmas

Adriano Barbieri



-- 
Rich De Steno

 


Re: Weather Plus 4.6 20.12.2017 update available

Adriano Barbieri
 


Hi Howard,
 
In this case, you had to overwrite the file, however, enter in the folder of the update file and run the last, consider the date.
 
Cheers
Adriano
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Weather Plus 4.6 20.12.2017 update available

I have downloaded this update twice.  Of course, the second time I was warned that I was overwriting  an existing file.  I installed it twice.  Yet when NVDA first starts, it says there is an update available.  I'd like to get this done with, huh?  Thanks for any thoughts.
Howard
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 7:10 AM
Subject: [nvda] Weather Plus 4.6 20.12.2017 update available

Hi to every one,
Changes in this version:
* Added arab localization (thanks to Wafik immaculate).
 
Weather Plus can update alone, however, it is possible to download
manually from the following links:
http://www.nvda.it/files/plugin/weather_plus4.6.nvda-addon
or from page:
http://www.nvda.it/weather-plus/
or from page:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/weatherPlus.en.html

Merry Christmas
Adriano Barbieri


Re: competition

Lino Morales
 

It enter to open a new MSG.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: erik burggraaf
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 2:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] competition

 

Hi, please double check.  I'm pretty sure I wrote less useless.  Narrater is supposedly getting better, though I myself haven't found it useful for anything except the windows setup screens and installing NVDA on a new computer.  :-)  When it does come up to spec it will prove my point about competition not improving the quality of screen readers.

In fact, it's fair to say that software designers and screen reader designers are increasingly being forced by microsoft to standardize.  More and more of the underlying frameworks that control access are coming from microsoft.  That being the case, it makes less and less difference which screen reader you use since they use all of the same guts.  Why then pay enterprise prices when you can have NVDA, or narrater if it gets good enough.

Then again, windows seems to be headed toward cloud based OS workable across devices.  So, will windows require it's own screen reader in three to five years, or will it be talkback and voiceover compatible?

Best,

Erik

On December 21, 2017 2:19:33 PM "Lino Morales" <linomorales001@...> wrote:

R more uuseless? Itss gotten better under WIN 10.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: erik burggraaf
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 2:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] competition

 

Competition makes a lot of products better.  I've never seen any evidence that this applies to screen readers though.

Windows is the only OS without built in access.  Narrater is less and less useless all the time, but it's not up to the quality of what's built in to any other OS on the market.

Windows is the only system with a multi-screenreader approach.  Lots of people tried to capitalize on android access, but the built in features are good enough to put paid and even free competitors out of business.

Competition never brought the prices down or the functionality up.  Users certainly didn't benefit from the legal snyping of the big AT companies or the antitrust of microsoft building in it's own screen reader.  Oddly enough, the same people who lobbied against microsoft building it's own screen reader also lobbie governments for exclusivity agreements to sell only one of the so called competing products.  What do we call that when microsoft tries it?  Antitrust.  Huh...  How do users benefit from the exclusivity agreements?

NVDA development isn't driven by competition with other screen readers.  It's driven by the community through donations of code and money and other talents derived from the community. 

Even when there were many products competing in the market, I didn't see any evidence that the competition improved the over all performance, stability, feature sets or monitary value of screen reader products in general.

Now that the actual number of windows screen readers is shrinking, and the number of viably accessible OS is growing, and the business models of windows screen readers are so dramatically different, I believe pmarket competition is even less important than it was five or ten yearss ago.  I mean, what's the value of an exclusivity agreement to sell only one product when the next best competitor can be downloaded for free by any one with a computer?

Best,

Erik

On December 20, 2017 12:45:24 AM "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@...> wrote:

I'm actually up for  competition. It will make each product better and better as time goes by.. I didn't want to use nvda in 2006 or 2007  when it came out as jaws at the time was the best. Now I won't touch jaws with a 10 foot pole. I tried to make my work switch but their excuse was that nvda was not meant for the word place and they would not consider it.

 

Take care




On Dec 19, 2017, at 9:17 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:

 

Yes. All you have to do is go into the prefferences menu under tools and add-ons. Tab to get add-ons and your default browser should open to the page.

 

On 12/18/2017 8:45 PM, Karim Lakhani wrote:

 I'm not sure what language you are writing?

What screen reader are  you using voice over?

The reason I didn't want to downloads is because I don't know how?

When NVDA updates I get the notification and install it without worry about finding scripts, add no's or what ever window eye's use to call it.

Does that make sense to you?

 

 

 

EMAIL:karim.lakhani@...

$$$$

SKYPE: goldenace4

$$$$

Your reputation is in the hands of others. That's what a
reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
can control is your character.
- Wayne Walter Dyer (1940-)

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent:
 Monday, December 18, 2017 6:26 PM
To:
 nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject:
 Re: [nvda] competition

Thir is on ly one NVDA. You want add-ons download them. What does VO have to do with it? Meanwhile as Kereme hits the nog in Canada again...

 

On 12/18/2017 8:22 PM, Karim Lakhani wrote:

Could we as NVDA users have the choice which version works the best for the individual?

That way we can choose which version to down load?

personally the voice over APP. with the Phone's out of the box it's great.

People can jail break and all, so as the people who code NVDA, would have to be the persons who decides what is important.

 

EMAIL:karim.lakhani@...

$$$$

SKYPE: goldenace4

$$$$

Your reputation is in the hands of others. That's what a
reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
can control is your character.
- Wayne Walter Dyer (1940-)

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sam Taylor
Sent:
 Monday, December 18, 2017 4:42 PM
To:
 nvda@...
Subject:
 Re: [nvda] competition

Karim,

They are not included because Add-ons, as the name suggests, are optional. Integrating them into the installer would mean that the installer filesize would be inflated, resulting in a much bigger download for everyone.

 

On 19/12/2017 9:30 am, Karim Lakhani wrote:

Hi,

Can someone explain why add are not included in the main install of the APP.

If the add on's are useable by all the community, why not add them in the main install?

I hope this doesn't come down to the amount of data you have, I know it will be cheaper then 1800.00

 

Some of us don't have the knowledge to accomplish these functions.

I think it's like Elisa, she only gets smarter the more you use it.

 

 

EMAIL:karimlakhani@...

$$$$

SKYPE: goldenace4

$$$$

Your reputation is in the hands of others. That's what a
reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
can control is your character.
- Wayne Walter Dyer (1940-)

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike and Jenna
Sent:
 Monday, December 18, 2017 10:39 AM
To:
 nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject:
 Re: [nvda] competition

I have to agree with this. My wife asked to question the other day why use NVDA if I have to install addons to do the stuff I want to do then also have to keep them updated. I see this a lot with the disability place I work for part time. I have several elders after showing them nvda and jaws have chosen jaws do to the fact they don’t have to deal with addons.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 8:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] competition

A lot of NVDA users won't ever know enough to know that there are add ons nor how to install them.  You are free to remove any add ons you don't want and, for experienced users who understand the implications, a no add ons NVDA can be offered if it really matters, which I don't think it does  I'm not talking about including add on after add on in NVDA.  I'm saying that some add ons should be included because you aren't serving a lot of blind people well by not doing so, meaning the large number, who will never use add ons they have to download and install.  Instead of spending time and resources reinventing the wheel just to make it a part of core NVDA code, just include the add on.  

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 6:19 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] competition

What I've liked and am liking of the AddOns on NVDA is the ability to install those that suits are needs, thus NVDA should be pure as always, but with each of us adding the necessary AddOns for our daily use.

El 17/12/2017 a las 06:16 p.m., Rui Fontes escribió:

Sorry, Gene, but if some of the addons will be shipped with NVDA and set to run, they should stop being addons and start being part of NVDA core...

Addon, by definition, is a piece of software to execute a specific function that does not make part of the NVDA core...

Regards,

Rui Fontes

Às 00:07 de 18/12/2017, Gene escreveu:

NVDA doesn't have to adopt every popular feature of other screen-readers to compete.  I don't have much opinion about whether this feature is implemented in NVDA directly or by an add on.  It is a peripheral feature and not an actual screen-reader feature.  It is a proper question whether NVDA development time and resources should be put into this project.  And an add on wouldn't divert NVDA time and resources.  However, when it comes to add ons, NVDA should do what Window-eyes used to do, not because Window-eyes does it, but because it serves users well, is logical and there is no reason of any substance not to do it.  

Window-eyes used to accomplish a number of functions by having a number of what it pretentiously called apps, they were really scripts, but they were available to users as add ons and were shipped with Window-eyes and were set to run at the time of installation.  Many users of whatever screen-reader they use will never learn enough to know anything about add ons.  there are a number of add ons that should be incorporated into NVDA as addons that are downloaded and are running when NVDA is run. 

If this were done, the major objection against making a feature an add on would be done away with.  the objection is that a lot of people will never know about add ons and never use whatever is being discussed.  If this objection were done away with by having many add ons be included in NVDA as running add ons at the time of download and installation or portable use, the whole question and argument about whether something should be an add on could be done away with.  

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Don H

Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 4:16 PM

Subject: [nvda] competition

When it comes to the new screen shade function in Jaws 2018 and if NVDA 
should also have the same function the main question is whether or not 
NVDA is in competition with other screen readers in order to get more 
users or is NVDA just a free screen reader for those who can't afford to 
pay for a screen reader.








-- 
Gera
Enviado desde Thunderbird

 

 

 

 

 


Re: competition

Sarah k Alawami
 

Actually I'm using narrator now more than NVDA when I need to try and fix something. I don't have all the keys memorised, however I'm really beginign to love the speed at which the program works, and now I hear nvda has touch support for the all in ones if you really want to use it, or was that narrator? I can't remember now as I don't use a mouse pad. I turn mine off at system start on my laptop.

On Dec 21, 2017, at 11:48 AM, erik burggraaf <erik@...> wrote:

Hi, please double check.  I'm pretty sure I wrote less useless.  Narrater is supposedly getting better, though I myself haven't found it useful for anything except the windows setup screens and installing NVDA on a new computer.  :-)  When it does come up to spec it will prove my point about competition not improving the quality of screen readers.

In fact, it's fair to say that software designers and screen reader designers are increasingly being forced by microsoft to standardize.  More and more of the underlying frameworks that control access are coming from microsoft.  That being the case, it makes less and less difference which screen reader you use since they use all of the same guts.  Why then pay enterprise prices when you can have NVDA, or narrater if it gets good enough.

Then again, windows seems to be headed toward cloud based OS workable across devices.  So, will windows require it's own screen reader in three to five years, or will it be talkback and voiceover compatible?

Best,

Erik

On December 21, 2017 2:19:33 PM "Lino Morales" <linomorales001@...> wrote:

R more uuseless? Itss gotten better under WIN 10.
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
From: erik burggraaf
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 2:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] competition
 

Competition makes a lot of products better.  I've never seen any evidence that this applies to screen readers though.

Windows is the only OS without built in access.  Narrater is less and less useless all the time, but it's not up to the quality of what's built in to any other OS on the market.

Windows is the only system with a multi-screenreader approach.  Lots of people tried to capitalize on android access, but the built in features are good enough to put paid and even free competitors out of business.

Competition never brought the prices down or the functionality up.  Users certainly didn't benefit from the legal snyping of the big AT companies or the antitrust of microsoft building in it's own screen reader.  Oddly enough, the same people who lobbied against microsoft building it's own screen reader also lobbie governments for exclusivity agreements to sell only one of the so called competing products.  What do we call that when microsoft tries it?  Antitrust.  Huh...  How do users benefit from the exclusivity agreements?

NVDA development isn't driven by competition with other screen readers.  It's driven by the community through donations of code and money and other talents derived from the community.  

Even when there were many products competing in the market, I didn't see any evidence that the competition improved the over all performance, stability, feature sets or monitary value of screen reader products in general.

Now that the actual number of windows screen readers is shrinking, and the number of viably accessible OS is growing, and the business models of windows screen readers are so dramatically different, I believe pmarket competition is even less important than it was five or ten yearss ago.  I mean, what's the value of an exclusivity agreement to sell only one product when the next best competitor can be downloaded for free by any one with a computer?

Best,

Erik

On December 20, 2017 12:45:24 AM "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@...> wrote:

I'm actually up for  competition. It will make each product better and better as time goes by.. I didn't want to use nvda in 2006 or 2007  when it came out as jaws at the time was the best. Now I won't touch jaws with a 10 foot pole. I tried to make my work switch but their excuse was that nvda was not meant for the word place and they would not consider it.
 
Take care


On Dec 19, 2017, at 9:17 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:
 
Yes. All you have to do is go into the prefferences menu under tools and add-ons. Tab to get add-ons and your default browser should open to the page.
 
On 12/18/2017 8:45 PM, Karim Lakhani wrote:
 I'm not sure what language you are writing?
What screen reader are  you using voice over?
The reason I didn't want to downloads is because I don't know how?
When NVDA updates I get the notification and install it without worry about finding scripts, add no's or what ever window eye's use to call it.
Does that make sense to you?
 
 
 
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reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
can control is your character.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent:
 Monday, December 18, 2017 6:26 PM
To:
 nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject:
 Re: [nvda] competition

Thir is on ly one NVDA. You want add-ons download them. What does VO have to do with it? Meanwhile as Kereme hits the nog in Canada again...
 
On 12/18/2017 8:22 PM, Karim Lakhani wrote:
Could we as NVDA users have the choice which version works the best for the individual?
That way we can choose which version to down load?
personally the voice over APP. with the Phone's out of the box it's great.
People can jail break and all, so as the people who code NVDA, would have to be the persons who decides what is important.
 
$$$$
SKYPE: goldenace4
$$$$
Your reputation is in the hands of others. That's what a
reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
can control is your character.
- Wayne Walter Dyer (1940-)
 
 
 
 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sam Taylor
Sent:
 Monday, December 18, 2017 4:42 PM
To:
 nvda@...
Subject:
 Re: [nvda] competition

Karim,
They are not included because Add-ons, as the name suggests, are optional. Integrating them into the installer would mean that the installer filesize would be inflated, resulting in a much bigger download for everyone.
 
On 19/12/2017 9:30 am, Karim Lakhani wrote:
Hi,
Can someone explain why add are not included in the main install of the APP.
If the add on's are useable by all the community, why not add them in the main install?
I hope this doesn't come down to the amount of data you have, I know it will be cheaper then 1800.00
 
Some of us don't have the knowledge to accomplish these functions.
I think it's like Elisa, she only gets smarter the more you use it.
 
 
$$$$
SKYPE: goldenace4
$$$$
Your reputation is in the hands of others. That's what a
reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
can control is your character.
- Wayne Walter Dyer (1940-)
 
 
 
 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike and Jenna
Sent:
 Monday, December 18, 2017 10:39 AM
To:
 nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject:
 Re: [nvda] competition

I have to agree with this. My wife asked to question the other day why use NVDA if I have to install addons to do the stuff I want to do then also have to keep them updated. I see this a lot with the disability place I work for part time. I have several elders after showing them nvda and jaws have chosen jaws do to the fact they don’t have to deal with addons.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 8:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] competition
A lot of NVDA users won't ever know enough to know that there are add ons nor how to install them.  You are free to remove any add ons you don't want and, for experienced users who understand the implications, a no add ons NVDA can be offered if it really matters, which I don't think it does  I'm not talking about including add on after add on in NVDA.  I'm saying that some add ons should be included because you aren't serving a lot of blind people well by not doing so, meaning the large number, who will never use add ons they have to download and install.  Instead of spending time and resources reinventing the wheel just to make it a part of core NVDA code, just include the add on.  
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] competition
What I've liked and am liking of the AddOns on NVDA is the ability to install those that suits are needs, thus NVDA should be pure as always, but with each of us adding the necessary AddOns for our daily use.
El 17/12/2017 a las 06:16 p.m., Rui Fontes escribió:
Sorry, Gene, but if some of the addons will be shipped with NVDA and set to run, they should stop being addons and start being part of NVDA core...
Addon, by definition, is a piece of software to execute a specific function that does not make part of the NVDA core...
Regards,
Rui Fontes
Às 00:07 de 18/12/2017, Gene escreveu:
NVDA doesn't have to adopt every popular feature of other screen-readers to compete.  I don't have much opinion about whether this feature is implemented in NVDA directly or by an add on.  It is a peripheral feature and not an actual screen-reader feature.  It is a proper question whether NVDA development time and resources should be put into this project.  And an add on wouldn't divert NVDA time and resources.  However, when it comes to add ons, NVDA should do what Window-eyes used to do, not because Window-eyes does it, but because it serves users well, is logical and there is no reason of any substance not to do it.  
Window-eyes used to accomplish a number of functions by having a number of what it pretentiously called apps, they were really scripts, but they were available to users as add ons and were shipped with Window-eyes and were set to run at the time of installation.  Many users of whatever screen-reader they use will never learn enough to know anything about add ons.  there are a number of add ons that should be incorporated into NVDA as addons that are downloaded and are running when NVDA is run. 
If this were done, the major objection against making a feature an add on would be done away with.  the objection is that a lot of people will never know about add ons and never use whatever is being discussed.  If this objection were done away with by having many add ons be included in NVDA as running add ons at the time of download and installation or portable use, the whole question and argument about whether something should be an add on could be done away with.  
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Don H
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 4:16 PM
Subject: [nvda] competition

When it comes to the new screen shade function in Jaws 2018 and if NVDA 
should also have the same function the main question is whether or not 
NVDA is in competition with other screen readers in order to get more 
users or is NVDA just a free screen reader for those who can't afford to 
pay for a screen reader.






-- 
Gera
Enviado desde Thunderbird
 
 
 

 


Re: Weather Plus 4.6 20.12.2017 update available

Rich De Steno <ironrock@...>
 

I had to disabled the Weather Plus add-on due to the frequency of the notices to update it.  It was just getting to be too frequent for me.


On 12/21/2017 2:43 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:
I have downloaded this update twice.  Of course, the second time I was warned that I was overwriting  an existing file.  I installed it twice.  Yet when NVDA first starts, it says there is an update available.  I'd like to get this done with, huh?  Thanks for any thoughts.
Howard
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 7:10 AM
Subject: [nvda] Weather Plus 4.6 20.12.2017 update available

Hi to every one,
Changes in this version:
* Added arab localization (thanks to Wafik immaculate).
 
Weather Plus can update alone, however, it is possible to download
manually from the following links:
http://www.nvda.it/files/plugin/weather_plus4.6.nvda-addon
or from page:
http://www.nvda.it/weather-plus/
or from page:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/weatherPlus.en.html

Merry Christmas
Adriano Barbieri

-- 
Rich De Steno


Re: competition

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

Hi, please double check.  I'm pretty sure I wrote less useless.  Narrater is supposedly getting better, though I myself haven't found it useful for anything except the windows setup screens and installing NVDA on a new computer.  :-)  When it does come up to spec it will prove my point about competition not improving the quality of screen readers.

In fact, it's fair to say that software designers and screen reader designers are increasingly being forced by microsoft to standardize.  More and more of the underlying frameworks that control access are coming from microsoft.  That being the case, it makes less and less difference which screen reader you use since they use all of the same guts.  Why then pay enterprise prices when you can have NVDA, or narrater if it gets good enough.

Then again, windows seems to be headed toward cloud based OS workable across devices.  So, will windows require it's own screen reader in three to five years, or will it be talkback and voiceover compatible?

Best,

Erik

On December 21, 2017 2:19:33 PM "Lino Morales" <linomorales001@...> wrote:

R more uuseless? Itss gotten better under WIN 10.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: erik burggraaf
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 2:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] competition

 

Competition makes a lot of products better.  I've never seen any evidence that this applies to screen readers though.

Windows is the only OS without built in access.  Narrater is less and less useless all the time, but it's not up to the quality of what's built in to any other OS on the market.

Windows is the only system with a multi-screenreader approach.  Lots of people tried to capitalize on android access, but the built in features are good enough to put paid and even free competitors out of business.

Competition never brought the prices down or the functionality up.  Users certainly didn't benefit from the legal snyping of the big AT companies or the antitrust of microsoft building in it's own screen reader.  Oddly enough, the same people who lobbied against microsoft building it's own screen reader also lobbie governments for exclusivity agreements to sell only one of the so called competing products.  What do we call that when microsoft tries it?  Antitrust.  Huh...  How do users benefit from the exclusivity agreements?

NVDA development isn't driven by competition with other screen readers.  It's driven by the community through donations of code and money and other talents derived from the community. 

Even when there were many products competing in the market, I didn't see any evidence that the competition improved the over all performance, stability, feature sets or monitary value of screen reader products in general.

Now that the actual number of windows screen readers is shrinking, and the number of viably accessible OS is growing, and the business models of windows screen readers are so dramatically different, I believe pmarket competition is even less important than it was five or ten yearss ago.  I mean, what's the value of an exclusivity agreement to sell only one product when the next best competitor can be downloaded for free by any one with a computer?

Best,

Erik

On December 20, 2017 12:45:24 AM "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@...> wrote:

I'm actually up for  competition. It will make each product better and better as time goes by.. I didn't want to use nvda in 2006 or 2007  when it came out as jaws at the time was the best. Now I won't touch jaws with a 10 foot pole. I tried to make my work switch but their excuse was that nvda was not meant for the word place and they would not consider it.

 

Take care



On Dec 19, 2017, at 9:17 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:

 

Yes. All you have to do is go into the prefferences menu under tools and add-ons. Tab to get add-ons and your default browser should open to the page.

 

On 12/18/2017 8:45 PM, Karim Lakhani wrote:

 I'm not sure what language you are writing?

What screen reader are  you using voice over?

The reason I didn't want to downloads is because I don't know how?

When NVDA updates I get the notification and install it without worry about finding scripts, add no's or what ever window eye's use to call it.

Does that make sense to you?

 

 

 

EMAIL:karim.lakhani@...

$$$$

SKYPE: goldenace4

$$$$

Your reputation is in the hands of others. That's what a
reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
can control is your character.
- Wayne Walter Dyer (1940-)

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent:
 Monday, December 18, 2017 6:26 PM
To:
 nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject:
 Re: [nvda] competition

Thir is on ly one NVDA. You want add-ons download them. What does VO have to do with it? Meanwhile as Kereme hits the nog in Canada again...

 

On 12/18/2017 8:22 PM, Karim Lakhani wrote:

Could we as NVDA users have the choice which version works the best for the individual?

That way we can choose which version to down load?

personally the voice over APP. with the Phone's out of the box it's great.

People can jail break and all, so as the people who code NVDA, would have to be the persons who decides what is important.

 

EMAIL:karim.lakhani@...

$$$$

SKYPE: goldenace4

$$$$

Your reputation is in the hands of others. That's what a
reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
can control is your character.
- Wayne Walter Dyer (1940-)

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sam Taylor
Sent:
 Monday, December 18, 2017 4:42 PM
To:
 nvda@...
Subject:
 Re: [nvda] competition

Karim,

They are not included because Add-ons, as the name suggests, are optional. Integrating them into the installer would mean that the installer filesize would be inflated, resulting in a much bigger download for everyone.

 

On 19/12/2017 9:30 am, Karim Lakhani wrote:

Hi,

Can someone explain why add are not included in the main install of the APP.

If the add on's are useable by all the community, why not add them in the main install?

I hope this doesn't come down to the amount of data you have, I know it will be cheaper then 1800.00

 

Some of us don't have the knowledge to accomplish these functions.

I think it's like Elisa, she only gets smarter the more you use it.

 

 

EMAIL:karimlakhani@...

$$$$

SKYPE: goldenace4

$$$$

Your reputation is in the hands of others. That's what a
reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
can control is your character.
- Wayne Walter Dyer (1940-)

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike and Jenna
Sent:
 Monday, December 18, 2017 10:39 AM
To:
 nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject:
 Re: [nvda] competition

I have to agree with this. My wife asked to question the other day why use NVDA if I have to install addons to do the stuff I want to do then also have to keep them updated. I see this a lot with the disability place I work for part time. I have several elders after showing them nvda and jaws have chosen jaws do to the fact they don’t have to deal with addons.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 8:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] competition

A lot of NVDA users won't ever know enough to know that there are add ons nor how to install them.  You are free to remove any add ons you don't want and, for experienced users who understand the implications, a no add ons NVDA can be offered if it really matters, which I don't think it does  I'm not talking about including add on after add on in NVDA.  I'm saying that some add ons should be included because you aren't serving a lot of blind people well by not doing so, meaning the large number, who will never use add ons they have to download and install.  Instead of spending time and resources reinventing the wheel just to make it a part of core NVDA code, just include the add on.  

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 6:19 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] competition

What I've liked and am liking of the AddOns on NVDA is the ability to install those that suits are needs, thus NVDA should be pure as always, but with each of us adding the necessary AddOns for our daily use.

El 17/12/2017 a las 06:16 p.m., Rui Fontes escribió:

Sorry, Gene, but if some of the addons will be shipped with NVDA and set to run, they should stop being addons and start being part of NVDA core...

Addon, by definition, is a piece of software to execute a specific function that does not make part of the NVDA core...

Regards,

Rui Fontes

Às 00:07 de 18/12/2017, Gene escreveu:

NVDA doesn't have to adopt every popular feature of other screen-readers to compete.  I don't have much opinion about whether this feature is implemented in NVDA directly or by an add on.  It is a peripheral feature and not an actual screen-reader feature.  It is a proper question whether NVDA development time and resources should be put into this project.  And an add on wouldn't divert NVDA time and resources.  However, when it comes to add ons, NVDA should do what Window-eyes used to do, not because Window-eyes does it, but because it serves users well, is logical and there is no reason of any substance not to do it.  

Window-eyes used to accomplish a number of functions by having a number of what it pretentiously called apps, they were really scripts, but they were available to users as add ons and were shipped with Window-eyes and were set to run at the time of installation.  Many users of whatever screen-reader they use will never learn enough to know anything about add ons.  there are a number of add ons that should be incorporated into NVDA as addons that are downloaded and are running when NVDA is run. 

If this were done, the major objection against making a feature an add on would be done away with.  the objection is that a lot of people will never know about add ons and never use whatever is being discussed.  If this objection were done away with by having many add ons be included in NVDA as running add ons at the time of download and installation or portable use, the whole question and argument about whether something should be an add on could be done away with.  

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Don H

Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 4:16 PM

Subject: [nvda] competition

When it comes to the new screen shade function in Jaws 2018 and if NVDA 
should also have the same function the main question is whether or not 
NVDA is in competition with other screen readers in order to get more 
users or is NVDA just a free screen reader for those who can't afford to 
pay for a screen reader.






-- 
Gera
Enviado desde Thunderbird

 

 

 

 


Re: Weather Plus 4.6 20.12.2017 update available

Howard Traxler <howard@...>
 


I have downloaded this update twice.  Of course, the second time I was warned that I was overwriting  an existing file.  I installed it twice.  Yet when NVDA first starts, it says there is an update available.  I'd like to get this done with, huh?  Thanks for any thoughts.
Howard

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 7:10 AM
Subject: [nvda] Weather Plus 4.6 20.12.2017 update available

Hi to every one,
Changes in this version:
* Added arab localization (thanks to Wafik immaculate).
 
Weather Plus can update alone, however, it is possible to download
manually from the following links:
http://www.nvda.it/files/plugin/weather_plus4.6.nvda-addon
or from page:
http://www.nvda.it/weather-plus/
or from page:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/weatherPlus.en.html

Merry Christmas
Adriano Barbieri


Re: Vocalizer from Tifloteknia

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Thanks John. Makes sense. I don't need a big variety of voices to play with or anything like that. I'm mostly ok with just using Daniel all of the time, in fact. Sounds like going to the SAPI version would be quite sensible. I found two different vocalizer add-ons from the NVDA synths page (I think ... this was a while back actually) and as far as I know neither of them mention SAPI. Should I be looking in a different place?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: December 21, 2017 1:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Vocalizer from Tifloteknia

I have Rui's addon and have no issues with it, accept I stupidly forgot to unlicense it when I had to reset Windows so I lost a license. I guess if there are new voices and stuff that would be a cool update, but I also get having to update the addon for NVDA and that taking time. I mostly use SAPI Eloquence nowadays but I still use Vocalizer, especially if I'm dealing with other languages. I haven't tried either the SAPI vocalizer or the combined Vocalizer and Eloquence addon, since I already have them both, I don't see much sense in paying for them again. If I did I'd probably just get SAPI Vocalizer to go with SAPI Eloquence, because I'd be able to use it in more situations. I guess I haven't kept track of what's happening with Vocalizer voices so I could get all angry that I don' have an update yet, so it works fine for me.


On 12/21/2017 12:10, JM Casey wrote:
HI.

I'm also curious. I started using nVDA with the Microsoft Core voices, but I would rather like to switch to Vocalizer. With all the back-and-forth going on here -- what add-on should I actaully acquire/pay for?



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
John Isige
Sent: December 21, 2017 1:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Vocalizer from Tifloteknia

I'm curious, we have two other ones now, or versions of the same thing, the SAPI5 version and the combined NVDA addon. Do either of those have these new voices or whatever everybody wants?


On 12/21/2017 12:03, Lino Morales wrote:
Wait? We’ve waited long enough!

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

*From: *Sylvie Duchateau <mailto:sduchateau@access42.net>
*Sent: *Thursday, December 21, 2017 10:46 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [NVDA] Vocalizer from Tifloteknia

Hello all,

As a user of Vocalizer voices since more than 2 years, I don't have
to

complaint about this synthesiser.

I lost my license rights and after some e-mail exchanges with

Tiflotecnia, we found a way to solve the problem.

I had no bad experience with them.

So let's wait till the new version comes, and let's see what happens.

Best regards

Sylvie

Le 21/12/2017 à 16:28, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io a écrit :

Although you obviously do feel passionate about this, I do feel that
you might be close to upsetting somebody with this. whatever the
rights and wrongs here, we do have to stay civil. There is no
evidence of any wrongdoing, only lack of communication really.
Brian
bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Nimer Jaber"
<nimerjaber1@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Vocalizer from Tifloteknia At least other
companies add features like voices that users have been requesting.
And at least they don’t keep telling users that an update is coming
for years and not delivering on that update. Again, I would like to
say that I’m wrong. I would like to say that the product we are
discussing will get updated in the features that users have been
promised for a
long

time will be added. So far though, that is just not reality. And
until it

happens, I will keep coming out on this list and anywhere else that
this product was discussed and I will keep telling users to avoid
it.
There’s
really a very simple solution to this. Communicate with this list
and let

users of your product no why the promised update has not come yet.
Continue
to update them. Stop delivering promises that it is coming soon when
it’s

not. Stop giving timelines. However, timelines continue to be delivered.
And we still don’t have an update. Not only do we not have the
update, but we don’t have any reason why the update still taking as
long as it is.
Other than an email Wayback that said that they are running into a
couple

of issues that should be resolved very soon. Clearly there are still
reasons why this product is not being delivered. And it’s
ridiculous. You

took a vantage of your users. You’ve taken years to update your product.
User spent a lot of money on your product, the least you could do
this update them on the progress of what is going on. Instead of
promising them an update that has still not been delivered. I regret
very much purchasing the product. I am a very to satisfied user. The
level of support has
been

unprofessional. And the lack of software updates as bad. So I can’t
recommend it. Sorry if anyone disagrees. Again, this message is
being written outside of my role as an owner and a moderator of this
listst, and my message does not represent nonvisual desktop access
in any way.
On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 00:33 iván Novegil <ivan.novegil@nvda.es> wrote:
Other companies add to their addons exe files that we don't know
what they are doing. Furthermore, the exe file itself uses machine
resources.
These
are some inconvenients of buying Vocalizer with other companies.
Better
said, other company, I don't know mor than one.
Regards.
Iván Novegil Cancelas
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do not believe that this is the case. We have been hearing about
this coming for a long, long, long time now... years actually. I
would
advise

anyone wishing to purchase Vocalizer to purchase the one not by
Ruie or his company. There is another out there that I think atguys
sells that I would recommend. Shame on any company who keeps on
misleading its
customers in

the way as has been done about this product and on this list. If it
comes out I will apologize for my harsh message, but no evidence so
far indicates that this product is actually coming.
On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 12:30 PM Gerardo Corripio
<gera1027@gmail.com>
wrote:
That’ll be something to look forward to. I’m especially looking
forward

to Spanish Chile’s Francisca, and if they’ll English US. Voices
too, expanding these, especially for differemt voices in different
situations (daily use, leisure reading…). Keep us posted!
Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone 5S de Telcel El 20/12/2017, a la(s) 9:06
a. m., Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
escribió:
Soon...
Regards,
Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.
Às 14:52 de 20/12/2017, Chris Shook escreveu:
Hi,
Is there any news on when the new vocalizer foices Ie, Nathan,
Oliver,
Kate, etc. will be available from Tifloteknia?
Thanks
Chris
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Re: competition

Lino Morales
 

R more uuseless? Itss gotten better under WIN 10.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: erik burggraaf
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 2:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] competition

 

Competition makes a lot of products better.  I've never seen any evidence that this applies to screen readers though.

Windows is the only OS without built in access.  Narrater is less and less useless all the time, but it's not up to the quality of what's built in to any other OS on the market.

Windows is the only system with a multi-screenreader approach.  Lots of people tried to capitalize on android access, but the built in features are good enough to put paid and even free competitors out of business.

Competition never brought the prices down or the functionality up.  Users certainly didn't benefit from the legal snyping of the big AT companies or the antitrust of microsoft building in it's own screen reader.  Oddly enough, the same people who lobbied against microsoft building it's own screen reader also lobbie governments for exclusivity agreements to sell only one of the so called competing products.  What do we call that when microsoft tries it?  Antitrust.  Huh...  How do users benefit from the exclusivity agreements?

NVDA development isn't driven by competition with other screen readers.  It's driven by the community through donations of code and money and other talents derived from the community. 

Even when there were many products competing in the market, I didn't see any evidence that the competition improved the over all performance, stability, feature sets or monitary value of screen reader products in general.

Now that the actual number of windows screen readers is shrinking, and the number of viably accessible OS is growing, and the business models of windows screen readers are so dramatically different, I believe pmarket competition is even less important than it was five or ten yearss ago.  I mean, what's the value of an exclusivity agreement to sell only one product when the next best competitor can be downloaded for free by any one with a computer?

Best,

Erik

On December 20, 2017 12:45:24 AM "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@...> wrote:

I'm actually up for  competition. It will make each product better and better as time goes by.. I didn't want to use nvda in 2006 or 2007  when it came out as jaws at the time was the best. Now I won't touch jaws with a 10 foot pole. I tried to make my work switch but their excuse was that nvda was not meant for the word place and they would not consider it.

 

Take care



On Dec 19, 2017, at 9:17 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:

 

Yes. All you have to do is go into the prefferences menu under tools and add-ons. Tab to get add-ons and your default browser should open to the page.

 

On 12/18/2017 8:45 PM, Karim Lakhani wrote:

 I'm not sure what language you are writing?

What screen reader are  you using voice over?

The reason I didn't want to downloads is because I don't know how?

When NVDA updates I get the notification and install it without worry about finding scripts, add no's or what ever window eye's use to call it.

Does that make sense to you?

 

 

 

EMAIL:karim.lakhani@...

$$$$

SKYPE: goldenace4

$$$$

Your reputation is in the hands of others. That's what a
reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
can control is your character.
- Wayne Walter Dyer (1940-)

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent:
 Monday, December 18, 2017 6:26 PM
To:
 nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject:
 Re: [nvda] competition

Thir is on ly one NVDA. You want add-ons download them. What does VO have to do with it? Meanwhile as Kereme hits the nog in Canada again...

 

On 12/18/2017 8:22 PM, Karim Lakhani wrote:

Could we as NVDA users have the choice which version works the best for the individual?

That way we can choose which version to down load?

personally the voice over APP. with the Phone's out of the box it's great.

People can jail break and all, so as the people who code NVDA, would have to be the persons who decides what is important.

 

EMAIL:karim.lakhani@...

$$$$

SKYPE: goldenace4

$$$$

Your reputation is in the hands of others. That's what a
reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
can control is your character.
- Wayne Walter Dyer (1940-)

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sam Taylor
Sent:
 Monday, December 18, 2017 4:42 PM
To:
 nvda@...
Subject:
 Re: [nvda] competition

Karim,

They are not included because Add-ons, as the name suggests, are optional. Integrating them into the installer would mean that the installer filesize would be inflated, resulting in a much bigger download for everyone.

 

On 19/12/2017 9:30 am, Karim Lakhani wrote:

Hi,

Can someone explain why add are not included in the main install of the APP.

If the add on's are useable by all the community, why not add them in the main install?

I hope this doesn't come down to the amount of data you have, I know it will be cheaper then 1800.00

 

Some of us don't have the knowledge to accomplish these functions.

I think it's like Elisa, she only gets smarter the more you use it.

 

 

EMAIL:karim.lakhani@...

$$$$

SKYPE: goldenace4

$$$$

Your reputation is in the hands of others. That's what a
reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
can control is your character.
- Wayne Walter Dyer (1940-)

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike and Jenna
Sent:
 Monday, December 18, 2017 10:39 AM
To:
 nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject:
 Re: [nvda] competition

I have to agree with this. My wife asked to question the other day why use NVDA if I have to install addons to do the stuff I want to do then also have to keep them updated. I see this a lot with the disability place I work for part time. I have several elders after showing them nvda and jaws have chosen jaws do to the fact they don’t have to deal with addons.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 8:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] competition

A lot of NVDA users won't ever know enough to know that there are add ons nor how to install them.  You are free to remove any add ons you don't want and, for experienced users who understand the implications, a no add ons NVDA can be offered if it really matters, which I don't think it does.  I'm not talking about including add on after add on in NVDA.  I'm saying that some add ons should be included because you aren't serving a lot of blind people well by not doing so, meaning the large number, who will never use add ons they have to download and install.  Instead of spending time and resources reinventing the wheel just to make it a part of core NVDA code, just include the add on.  

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 6:19 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] competition

What I've liked and am liking of the AddOns on NVDA is the ability to install those that suits are needs, thus NVDA should be pure as always, but with each of us adding the necessary AddOns for our daily use.

El 17/12/2017 a las 06:16 p.m., Rui Fontes escribió:

Sorry, Gene, but if some of the addons will be shipped with NVDA and set to run, they should stop being addons and start being part of NVDA core...

Addon, by definition, is a piece of software to execute a specific function that does not make part of the NVDA core...

Regards,

Rui Fontes

Às 00:07 de 18/12/2017, Gene escreveu:

NVDA doesn't have to adopt every popular feature of other screen-readers to compete.  I don't have much opinion about whether this feature is implemented in NVDA directly or by an add on.  It is a peripheral feature and not an actual screen-reader feature.  It is a proper question whether NVDA development time and resources should be put into this project.  And an add on wouldn't divert NVDA time and resources.  However, when it comes to add ons, NVDA should do what Window-eyes used to do, not because Window-eyes does it, but because it serves users well, is logical and there is no reason of any substance not to do it.  

Window-eyes used to accomplish a number of functions by having a number of what it pretentiously called apps, they were really scripts, but they were available to users as add ons and were shipped with Window-eyes and were set to run at the time of installation.  Many users of whatever screen-reader they use will never learn enough to know anything about add ons.  there are a number of add ons that should be incorporated into NVDA as addons that are downloaded and are running when NVDA is run. 

If this were done, the major objection against making a feature an add on would be done away with.  the objection is that a lot of people will never know about add ons and never use whatever is being discussed.  If this objection were done away with by having many add ons be included in NVDA as running add ons at the time of download and installation or portable use, the whole question and argument about whether something should be an add on could be done away with.  

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Don H

Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 4:16 PM

Subject: [nvda] competition

When it comes to the new screen shade function in Jaws 2018 and if NVDA 
should also have the same function the main question is whether or not 
NVDA is in competition with other screen readers in order to get more 
users or is NVDA just a free screen reader for those who can't afford to 
pay for a screen reader.






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I hear the word payne

Gary Metzler
 

Hi All,
 
for some reason when I first open a message in wlm I hear the word payne spoken several times.  It also happens in ie.  I am using the latest windows 10 and nvda.  Has anyone else had this happen to them?  If so, is there a fix for it?  Thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox
sendto: gmtravel@...


Re: competition

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

Competition makes a lot of products better.  I've never seen any evidence that this applies to screen readers though.

Windows is the only OS without built in access.  Narrater is less and less useless all the time, but it's not up to the quality of what's built in to any other OS on the market.

Windows is the only system with a multi-screenreader approach.  Lots of people tried to capitalize on android access, but the built in features are good enough to put paid and even free competitors out of business.

Competition never brought the prices down or the functionality up.  Users certainly didn't benefit from the legal snyping of the big AT companies or the antitrust of microsoft building in it's own screen reader.  Oddly enough, the same people who lobbied against microsoft building it's own screen reader also lobbie governments for exclusivity agreements to sell only one of the so called competing products.  What do we call that when microsoft tries it?  Antitrust.  Huh...  How do users benefit from the exclusivity agreements?

NVDA development isn't driven by competition with other screen readers.  It's driven by the community through donations of code and money and other talents derived from the community. 

Even when there were many products competing in the market, I didn't see any evidence that the competition improved the over all performance, stability, feature sets or monitary value of screen reader products in general.

Now that the actual number of windows screen readers is shrinking, and the number of viably accessible OS is growing, and the business models of windows screen readers are so dramatically different, I believe pmarket competition is even less important than it was five or ten yearss ago.  I mean, what's the value of an exclusivity agreement to sell only one product when the next best competitor can be downloaded for free by any one with a computer?

Best,

Erik

On December 20, 2017 12:45:24 AM "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@...> wrote:

I'm actually up for  competition. It will make each product better and better as time goes by.. I didn't want to use nvda in 2006 or 2007  when it came out as jaws at the time was the best. Now I won't touch jaws with a 10 foot pole. I tried to make my work switch but their excuse was that nvda was not meant for the word place and they would not consider it.

Take care

On Dec 19, 2017, at 9:17 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:

Yes. All you have to do is go into the prefferences menu under tools and add-ons. Tab to get add-ons and your default browser should open to the page.


On 12/18/2017 8:45 PM, Karim Lakhani wrote:
 I'm not sure what language you are writing?
What screen reader are  you using voice over?
The reason I didn't want to downloads is because I don't know how?
When NVDA updates I get the notification and install it without worry about finding scripts, add no's or what ever window eye's use to call it.
Does that make sense to you?
 
 
 
$$$$
SKYPE: goldenace4
$$$$
Your reputation is in the hands of others. That's what a
reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
can control is your character.
- Wayne Walter Dyer (1940-)
 
 
 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 6:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] competition

Thir is on ly one NVDA. You want add-ons download them. What does VO have to do with it? Meanwhile as Kereme hits the nog in Canada again...


On 12/18/2017 8:22 PM, Karim Lakhani wrote:
Could we as NVDA users have the choice which version works the best for the individual?
That way we can choose which version to down load?
personally the voice over APP. with the Phone's out of the box it's great.
People can jail break and all, so as the people who code NVDA, would have to be the persons who decides what is important.
 
$$$$
SKYPE: goldenace4
$$$$
Your reputation is in the hands of others. That's what a
reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
can control is your character.
- Wayne Walter Dyer (1940-)
 
 
 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sam Taylor
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 4:42 PM
To: nvda@...
Subject: Re: [nvda] competition

Karim,

They are not included because Add-ons, as the name suggests, are optional. Integrating them into the installer would mean that the installer filesize would be inflated, resulting in a much bigger download for everyone.


On 19/12/2017 9:30 am, Karim Lakhani wrote:
Hi,
Can someone explain why add are not included in the main install of the APP.
If the add on's are useable by all the community, why not add them in the main install?
I hope this doesn't come down to the amount of data you have, I know it will be cheaper then 1800.00
 
Some of us don't have the knowledge to accomplish these functions.
I think it's like Elisa, she only gets smarter the more you use it.
 
 
$$$$
SKYPE: goldenace4
$$$$
Your reputation is in the hands of others. That's what a
reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you
can control is your character.
- Wayne Walter Dyer (1940-)
 
 
 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike and Jenna
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 10:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] competition

I have to agree with this. My wife asked to question the other day why use NVDA if I have to install addons to do the stuff I want to do then also have to keep them updated. I see this a lot with the disability place I work for part time. I have several elders after showing them nvda and jaws have chosen jaws do to the fact they don’t have to deal with addons.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 8:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] competition
A lot of NVDA users won't ever know enough to know that there are add ons nor how to install them.  You are free to remove any add ons you don't want and, for experienced users who understand the implications, a no add ons NVDA can be offered if it really matters, which I don't think it does.  I'm not talking about including add on after add on in NVDA.  I'm saying that some add ons should be included because you aren't serving a lot of blind people well by not doing so, meaning the large number, who will never use add ons they have to download and install.  Instead of spending time and resources reinventing the wheel just to make it a part of core NVDA code, just include the add on.  
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] competition

What I've liked and am liking of the AddOns on NVDA is the ability to install those that suits are needs, thus NVDA should be pure as always, but with each of us adding the necessary AddOns for our daily use.

El 17/12/2017 a las 06:16 p.m., Rui Fontes escribió:

Sorry, Gene, but if some of the addons will be shipped with NVDA and set to run, they should stop being addons and start being part of NVDA core...

Addon, by definition, is a piece of software to execute a specific function that does not make part of the NVDA core...

Regards,

Rui Fontes

Às 00:07 de 18/12/2017, Gene escreveu:
NVDA doesn't have to adopt every popular feature of other screen-readers to compete.  I don't have much opinion about whether this feature is implemented in NVDA directly or by an add on.  It is a peripheral feature and not an actual screen-reader feature.  It is a proper question whether NVDA development time and resources should be put into this project.  And an add on wouldn't divert NVDA time and resources.  However, when it comes to add ons, NVDA should do what Window-eyes used to do, not because Window-eyes does it, but because it serves users well, is logical and there is no reason of any substance not to do it.  
Window-eyes used to accomplish a number of functions by having a number of what it pretentiously called apps, they were really scripts, but they were available to users as add ons and were shipped with Window-eyes and were set to run at the time of installation.  Many users of whatever screen-reader they use will never learn enough to know anything about add ons.  there are a number of add ons that should be incorporated into NVDA as addons that are downloaded and are running when NVDA is run. 
If this were done, the major objection against making a feature an add on would be done away with.  the objection is that a lot of people will never know about add ons and never use whatever is being discussed.  If this objection were done away with by having many add ons be included in NVDA as running add ons at the time of download and installation or portable use, the whole question and argument about whether something should be an add on could be done away with.  
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Don H
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 4:16 PM
Subject: [nvda] competition

When it comes to the new screen shade function in Jaws 2018 and if NVDA 
should also have the same function the main question is whether or not 
NVDA is in competition with other screen readers in order to get more 
users or is NVDA just a free screen reader for those who can't afford to 
pay for a screen reader.




-- 
Gera
Enviado desde Thunderbird




Re: Vocalizer from Tifloteknia

John Isige
 

I have Rui's addon and have no issues with it, accept I stupidly forgot
to unlicense it when I had to reset Windows so I lost a license. I guess
if there are new voices and stuff that would be a cool update, but I
also get having to update the addon for NVDA and that taking time. I
mostly use SAPI Eloquence nowadays but I still use Vocalizer, especially
if I'm dealing with other languages. I haven't tried either the SAPI
vocalizer or the combined Vocalizer and Eloquence addon, since I already
have them both, I don't see much sense in paying for them again. If I
did I'd probably just get SAPI Vocalizer to go with SAPI Eloquence,
because I'd be able to use it in more situations. I guess I haven't kept
track of what's happening with Vocalizer voices so I could get all angry
that I don' have an update yet, so it works fine for me.

On 12/21/2017 12:10, JM Casey wrote:
HI.

I'm also curious. I started using nVDA with the Microsoft Core voices, but I would rather like to switch to Vocalizer. With all the back-and-forth going on here -- what add-on should I actaully acquire/pay for?



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: December 21, 2017 1:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Vocalizer from Tifloteknia

I'm curious, we have two other ones now, or versions of the same thing, the SAPI5 version and the combined NVDA addon. Do either of those have these new voices or whatever everybody wants?


On 12/21/2017 12:03, Lino Morales wrote:
Wait? We’ve waited long enough!

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

*From: *Sylvie Duchateau <mailto:sduchateau@access42.net>
*Sent: *Thursday, December 21, 2017 10:46 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [NVDA] Vocalizer from Tifloteknia

Hello all,

As a user of Vocalizer voices since more than 2 years, I don't have to

complaint about this synthesiser.

I lost my license rights and after some e-mail exchanges with

Tiflotecnia, we found a way to solve the problem.

I had no bad experience with them.

So let's wait till the new version comes, and let's see what happens.

Best regards

Sylvie

Le 21/12/2017 à 16:28, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io a écrit :

Although you obviously do feel passionate about this, I do feel that
you might be close to upsetting somebody with this. whatever the
rights and wrongs here, we do have to stay civil. There is no
evidence
of any wrongdoing, only lack of communication really.
Brian
bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Nimer Jaber"
<nimerjaber1@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Vocalizer from Tifloteknia
At least other companies add features like voices that users have
been
requesting. And at least they don’t keep telling users that an
update is
coming for years and not delivering on that update. Again, I would
like to
say that I’m wrong. I would like to say that the product we are
discussing
will get updated in the features that users have been promised for a
long

time will be added. So far though, that is just not reality. And
until it

happens, I will keep coming out on this list and anywhere else that
this
product was discussed and I will keep telling users to avoid it.
There’s
really a very simple solution to this. Communicate with this list
and let

users of your product no why the promised update has not come yet.
Continue
to update them. Stop delivering promises that it is coming soon when
it’s

not. Stop giving timelines. However, timelines continue to be delivered.
And we still don’t have an update. Not only do we not have the
update,
but
we don’t have any reason why the update still taking as long as it is.
Other than an email Wayback that said that they are running into a
couple

of issues that should be resolved very soon. Clearly there are still
reasons why this product is not being delivered. And it’s
ridiculous. You

took a vantage of your users. You’ve taken years to update your product.
User spent a lot of money on your product, the least you could do
this
update them on the progress of what is going on. Instead of
promising
them
an update that has still not been delivered. I regret very much
purchasing
the product. I am a very to satisfied user. The level of support has
been

unprofessional. And the lack of software updates as bad. So I can’t
recommend it. Sorry if anyone disagrees. Again, this message is
being
written outside of my role as an owner and a moderator of this
listst,
and
my message does not represent nonvisual desktop access in any way.
On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 00:33 iván Novegil <ivan.novegil@nvda.es> wrote:
Other companies add to their addons exe files that we don't know
what
they
are doing. Furthermore, the exe file itself uses machine resources.
These
are some inconvenients of buying Vocalizer with other companies.
Better
said, other company, I don't know mor than one.
Regards.
Iván Novegil Cancelas
Editorivan.novegil@nvda.es
Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA | Proyecto NVDA.es
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por erro comuníqueo por esta mesma vía e destrúa a mensaxe.***
O 21/12/2017 á(s) 4:22, Nimer Jaber escribiu:
This message is sent outside of my moderator's role.
do not believe that this is the case. We have been hearing about
this
coming for a long, long, long time now... years actually. I would
advise

anyone wishing to purchase Vocalizer to purchase the one not by
Ruie
or his
company. There is another out there that I think atguys sells that
I
would
recommend. Shame on any company who keeps on misleading its
customers in

the way as has been done about this product and on this list. If it
comes
out I will apologize for my harsh message, but no evidence so far
indicates
that this product is actually coming.
On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 12:30 PM Gerardo Corripio
<gera1027@gmail.com>
wrote:
That’ll be something to look forward to. I’m especially looking
forward

to Spanish Chile’s Francisca, and if they’ll English US. Voices
too,
expanding these, especially for differemt voices in different
situations
(daily use, leisure reading…). Keep us posted!
Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone 5S de Telcel
El 20/12/2017, a la(s) 9:06 a. m., Rui Fontes
<rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
escribió:
Soon...
Regards,
Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.
Às 14:52 de 20/12/2017, Chris Shook escreveu:
Hi,
Is there any news on when the new vocalizer foices Ie, Nathan,
Oliver,
Kate, etc. will be available from Tifloteknia?
Thanks
Chris
--
Cordially,
Nimer Jaber
My mission is to bring love and peace to everyone around me with
all
tools
available to me.
My core values are integrity, innovation, loyalty, excellence, and
100%
personal responsibility.
The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its
contents
by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) may result in civil
or
criminal charges. I have checked this email and all corresponding
attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine
is
up to you. Thanks.
Registered Linux User 529141.
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Re: Vocalizer from Tifloteknia

Rui Fontes
 

Our strongs are the better technical support and better automatic language switcher...

You, as a costumer, choose what you want to buy...

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 18:10 de 21/12/2017, JM Casey escreveu:

HI.
I'm also curious. I started using nVDA with the Microsoft Core voices, but I would rather like to switch to Vocalizer. With all the back-and-forth going on here -- what add-on should I actaully acquire/pay for?
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: December 21, 2017 1:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Vocalizer from Tifloteknia
I'm curious, we have two other ones now, or versions of the same thing, the SAPI5 version and the combined NVDA addon. Do either of those have these new voices or whatever everybody wants?
On 12/21/2017 12:03, Lino Morales wrote:

Wait? We’ve waited long enough!

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

*From: *Sylvie Duchateau <mailto:sduchateau@access42.net>
*Sent: *Thursday, December 21, 2017 10:46 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [NVDA] Vocalizer from Tifloteknia

Hello all,

As a user of Vocalizer voices since more than 2 years, I don't have to

complaint about this synthesiser.

I lost my license rights and after some e-mail exchanges with

Tiflotecnia, we found a way to solve the problem.

I had no bad experience with them.

So let's wait till the new version comes, and let's see what happens.

Best regards

Sylvie

Le 21/12/2017 à 16:28, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io a écrit :

Although you obviously do feel passionate about this, I do feel that
you might be close to upsetting somebody with this. whatever the
rights and wrongs here, we do have to stay civil. There is no
evidence
of any wrongdoing, only lack of communication really.
Brian
bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Nimer Jaber"
<nimerjaber1@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Vocalizer from Tifloteknia
At least other companies add features like voices that users have
been
requesting. And at least they don’t keep telling users that an
update is
coming for years and not delivering on that update. Again, I would
like to
say that I’m wrong. I would like to say that the product we are
discussing
will get updated in the features that users have been promised for a
long

time will be added. So far though, that is just not reality. And
until it

happens, I will keep coming out on this list and anywhere else that
this
product was discussed and I will keep telling users to avoid it.
There’s
really a very simple solution to this. Communicate with this list
and let

users of your product no why the promised update has not come yet.
Continue
to update them. Stop delivering promises that it is coming soon when
it’s

not. Stop giving timelines. However, timelines continue to be delivered.
And we still don’t have an update. Not only do we not have the
update,
but
we don’t have any reason why the update still taking as long as it is.
Other than an email Wayback that said that they are running into a
couple

of issues that should be resolved very soon. Clearly there are still
reasons why this product is not being delivered. And it’s
ridiculous. You

took a vantage of your users. You’ve taken years to update your product.
User spent a lot of money on your product, the least you could do
this
update them on the progress of what is going on. Instead of
promising
them
an update that has still not been delivered. I regret very much
purchasing
the product. I am a very to satisfied user. The level of support has
been

unprofessional. And the lack of software updates as bad. So I can’t
recommend it. Sorry if anyone disagrees. Again, this message is
being
written outside of my role as an owner and a moderator of this
listst,
and
my message does not represent nonvisual desktop access in any way.
On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 00:33 iván Novegil <ivan.novegil@nvda.es> wrote:
Other companies add to their addons exe files that we don't know
what
they
are doing. Furthermore, the exe file itself uses machine resources.
These
are some inconvenients of buying Vocalizer with other companies.
Better
said, other company, I don't know mor than one.
Regards.
Iván Novegil Cancelas
Editorivan.novegil@nvda.es
Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA | Proyecto NVDA.es
- www.NVDA.es
Usuario do NVDA en galego
***Note que a anterior mensaxe e/ou os seus adxuntos pode conter
información privada ou confidencial. O emprego da información desta
mensaxe e/ou dos seus adxuntos está reservado ao ámbito privado do
destinatario agás autorización do remitente. Se recibiu esta
mensaxe
por erro comuníqueo por esta mesma vía e destrúa a mensaxe.***
O 21/12/2017 á(s) 4:22, Nimer Jaber escribiu:
This message is sent outside of my moderator's role.
do not believe that this is the case. We have been hearing about
this
coming for a long, long, long time now... years actually. I would
advise

anyone wishing to purchase Vocalizer to purchase the one not by
Ruie
or his
company. There is another out there that I think atguys sells that
I
would
recommend. Shame on any company who keeps on misleading its
customers in

the way as has been done about this product and on this list. If it
comes
out I will apologize for my harsh message, but no evidence so far
indicates
that this product is actually coming.
On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 12:30 PM Gerardo Corripio
<gera1027@gmail.com>
wrote:
That’ll be something to look forward to. I’m especially looking
forward

to Spanish Chile’s Francisca, and if they’ll English US. Voices
too,
expanding these, especially for differemt voices in different
situations
(daily use, leisure reading…). Keep us posted!
Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone 5S de Telcel
El 20/12/2017, a la(s) 9:06 a. m., Rui Fontes
<rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
escribió:
Soon...
Regards,
Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.
Às 14:52 de 20/12/2017, Chris Shook escreveu:
Hi,
Is there any news on when the new vocalizer foices Ie, Nathan,
Oliver,
Kate, etc. will be available from Tifloteknia?
Thanks
Chris
--
Cordially,
Nimer Jaber
My mission is to bring love and peace to everyone around me with
all
tools
available to me.
My core values are integrity, innovation, loyalty, excellence, and
100%
personal responsibility.
The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its
contents
by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) may result in civil
or
criminal charges. I have checked this email and all corresponding
attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine
is
up to you. Thanks.
Registered Linux User 529141.
http://counter.li.org/
To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP
and above, please click here:
http://www.nvda-project.org
You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news.
To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at
(218-606-0475) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly.
Thank
you, and have a great day!


Re: Vocalizer from Tifloteknia

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

HI.

I'm also curious. I started using nVDA with the Microsoft Core voices, but I would rather like to switch to Vocalizer. With all the back-and-forth going on here -- what add-on should I actaully acquire/pay for?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: December 21, 2017 1:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Vocalizer from Tifloteknia

I'm curious, we have two other ones now, or versions of the same thing, the SAPI5 version and the combined NVDA addon. Do either of those have these new voices or whatever everybody wants?


On 12/21/2017 12:03, Lino Morales wrote:

Wait? We’ve waited long enough!

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

*From: *Sylvie Duchateau <mailto:sduchateau@access42.net>
*Sent: *Thursday, December 21, 2017 10:46 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [NVDA] Vocalizer from Tifloteknia

Hello all,

As a user of Vocalizer voices since more than 2 years, I don't have to

complaint about this synthesiser.

I lost my license rights and after some e-mail exchanges with

Tiflotecnia, we found a way to solve the problem.

I had no bad experience with them.

So let's wait till the new version comes, and let's see what happens.

Best regards

Sylvie

Le 21/12/2017 à 16:28, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io a écrit :

Although you obviously do feel passionate about this, I do feel that
you might be close to upsetting somebody with this. whatever the
rights and wrongs here, we do have to stay civil. There is no
evidence
of any wrongdoing, only lack of communication really.
Brian
bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Nimer Jaber"
<nimerjaber1@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Vocalizer from Tifloteknia
At least other companies add features like voices that users have
been
requesting. And at least they don’t keep telling users that an
update is
coming for years and not delivering on that update. Again, I would
like to
say that I’m wrong. I would like to say that the product we are
discussing
will get updated in the features that users have been promised for a
long

time will be added. So far though, that is just not reality. And
until it

happens, I will keep coming out on this list and anywhere else that
this
product was discussed and I will keep telling users to avoid it.
There’s
really a very simple solution to this. Communicate with this list
and let

users of your product no why the promised update has not come yet.
Continue
to update them. Stop delivering promises that it is coming soon when
it’s

not. Stop giving timelines. However, timelines continue to be delivered.
And we still don’t have an update. Not only do we not have the
update,
but
we don’t have any reason why the update still taking as long as it is.
Other than an email Wayback that said that they are running into a
couple

of issues that should be resolved very soon. Clearly there are still
reasons why this product is not being delivered. And it’s
ridiculous. You

took a vantage of your users. You’ve taken years to update your product.
User spent a lot of money on your product, the least you could do
this
update them on the progress of what is going on. Instead of
promising
them
an update that has still not been delivered. I regret very much
purchasing
the product. I am a very to satisfied user. The level of support has
been

unprofessional. And the lack of software updates as bad. So I can’t
recommend it. Sorry if anyone disagrees. Again, this message is
being
written outside of my role as an owner and a moderator of this
listst,
and
my message does not represent nonvisual desktop access in any way.
On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 00:33 iván Novegil <ivan.novegil@nvda.es> wrote:
Other companies add to their addons exe files that we don't know
what
they
are doing. Furthermore, the exe file itself uses machine resources.
These
are some inconvenients of buying Vocalizer with other companies.
Better
said, other company, I don't know mor than one.
Regards.
Iván Novegil Cancelas
Editorivan.novegil@nvda.es
Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA | Proyecto NVDA.es
- www.NVDA.es
Usuario do NVDA en galego
***Note que a anterior mensaxe e/ou os seus adxuntos pode conter
información privada ou confidencial. O emprego da información desta
mensaxe e/ou dos seus adxuntos está reservado ao ámbito privado do
destinatario agás autorización do remitente. Se recibiu esta
mensaxe
por erro comuníqueo por esta mesma vía e destrúa a mensaxe.***
O 21/12/2017 á(s) 4:22, Nimer Jaber escribiu:
This message is sent outside of my moderator's role.
do not believe that this is the case. We have been hearing about
this
coming for a long, long, long time now... years actually. I would
advise

anyone wishing to purchase Vocalizer to purchase the one not by
Ruie
or his
company. There is another out there that I think atguys sells that
I
would
recommend. Shame on any company who keeps on misleading its
customers in

the way as has been done about this product and on this list. If it
comes
out I will apologize for my harsh message, but no evidence so far
indicates
that this product is actually coming.
On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 12:30 PM Gerardo Corripio
<gera1027@gmail.com>
wrote:
That’ll be something to look forward to. I’m especially looking
forward

to Spanish Chile’s Francisca, and if they’ll English US. Voices
too,
expanding these, especially for differemt voices in different
situations
(daily use, leisure reading…). Keep us posted!
Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone 5S de Telcel
El 20/12/2017, a la(s) 9:06 a. m., Rui Fontes
<rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
escribió:
Soon...
Regards,
Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.
Às 14:52 de 20/12/2017, Chris Shook escreveu:
Hi,
Is there any news on when the new vocalizer foices Ie, Nathan,
Oliver,
Kate, etc. will be available from Tifloteknia?
Thanks
Chris
--
Cordially,
Nimer Jaber
My mission is to bring love and peace to everyone around me with
all
tools
available to me.
My core values are integrity, innovation, loyalty, excellence, and
100%
personal responsibility.
The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its
contents
by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) may result in civil
or
criminal charges. I have checked this email and all corresponding
attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine
is
up to you. Thanks.
Registered Linux User 529141.
http://counter.li.org/
To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP
and above, please click here:
http://www.nvda-project.org
You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news.
To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at
(218-606-0475) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly.
Thank
you, and have a great day!


Re: Vocalizer from Tifloteknia

John Isige
 

I'm curious, we have two other ones now, or versions of the same thing,
the SAPI5 version and the combined NVDA addon. Do either of those have
these new voices or whatever everybody wants?

On 12/21/2017 12:03, Lino Morales wrote:

Wait? We’ve waited long enough!

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

*From: *Sylvie Duchateau <mailto:sduchateau@access42.net>
*Sent: *Thursday, December 21, 2017 10:46 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [NVDA] Vocalizer from Tifloteknia

Hello all,

As a user of Vocalizer voices since more than 2 years, I don't have to

complaint about this synthesiser.

I lost my license rights and after some e-mail exchanges with

Tiflotecnia, we found a way to solve the problem.

I had no bad experience with them.

So let's wait till the new version comes, and let's see what happens.

Best regards

Sylvie

Le 21/12/2017 à 16:28, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io a écrit :

Although you obviously do feel passionate about this, I do feel that
you might be close to upsetting somebody with this. whatever the
rights and wrongs here, we do have to stay civil. There is no evidence
of any wrongdoing, only lack of communication really.
Brian
bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Nimer Jaber" <nimerjaber1@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Vocalizer from Tifloteknia
At least other companies add features like voices that users have been
requesting. And at least they don’t keep telling users that an update is
coming for years and not delivering on that update. Again, I would
like to
say that I’m wrong. I would like to say that the product we are
discussing
will get updated in the features that users have been promised for a
long

time will be added. So far though, that is just not reality. And
until it

happens, I will keep coming out on this list and anywhere else that this
product was discussed and I will keep telling users to avoid it. There’s
really a very simple solution to this. Communicate with this list
and let

users of your product no why the promised update has not come yet.
Continue
to update them. Stop delivering promises that it is coming soon when
it’s

not. Stop giving timelines. However, timelines continue to be delivered.
And we still don’t have an update. Not only do we not have the update,
but
we don’t have any reason why the update still taking as long as it is.
Other than an email Wayback that said that they are running into a
couple

of issues that should be resolved very soon. Clearly there are still
reasons why this product is not being delivered. And it’s
ridiculous. You

took a vantage of your users. You’ve taken years to update your product.
User spent a lot of money on your product, the least you could do this
update them on the progress of what is going on. Instead of promising
them
an update that has still not been delivered. I regret very much
purchasing
the product. I am a very to satisfied user. The level of support has
been

unprofessional. And the lack of software updates as bad. So I can’t
recommend it. Sorry if anyone disagrees. Again, this message is being
written outside of my role as an owner and a moderator of this listst,
and
my message does not represent nonvisual desktop access in any way.
On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 00:33 iván Novegil <ivan.novegil@nvda.es> wrote:
Other companies add to their addons exe files that we don't know what
they
are doing. Furthermore, the exe file itself uses machine resources.
These
are some inconvenients of buying Vocalizer with other companies. Better
said, other company, I don't know mor than one.
Regards.
Iván Novegil Cancelas
Editorivan.novegil@nvda.es
Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA | Proyecto NVDA.es
- www.NVDA.es
Usuario do NVDA en galego
***Note que a anterior mensaxe e/ou os seus adxuntos pode conter
información privada ou confidencial. O emprego da información desta
mensaxe e/ou dos seus adxuntos está reservado ao ámbito privado do
destinatario agás autorización do remitente. Se recibiu esta mensaxe
por erro comuníqueo por esta mesma vía e destrúa a mensaxe.***
O 21/12/2017 á(s) 4:22, Nimer Jaber escribiu:
This message is sent outside of my moderator's role.
do not believe that this is the case. We have been hearing about this
coming for a long, long, long time now... years actually. I would
advise

anyone wishing to purchase Vocalizer to purchase the one not by Ruie
or his
company. There is another out there that I think atguys sells that I
would
recommend. Shame on any company who keeps on misleading its
customers in

the way as has been done about this product and on this list. If it
comes
out I will apologize for my harsh message, but no evidence so far
indicates
that this product is actually coming.
On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 12:30 PM Gerardo Corripio <gera1027@gmail.com>
wrote:
That’ll be something to look forward to. I’m especially looking
forward

to Spanish Chile’s Francisca, and if they’ll English US. Voices too,
expanding these, especially for differemt voices in different
situations
(daily use, leisure reading…). Keep us posted!
Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone 5S de Telcel
El 20/12/2017, a la(s) 9:06 a. m., Rui Fontes
<rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
escribió:
Soon...
Regards,
Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.
Às 14:52 de 20/12/2017, Chris Shook escreveu:
Hi,
Is there any news on when the new vocalizer foices Ie, Nathan,
Oliver,
Kate, etc. will be available from Tifloteknia?
Thanks
Chris
--
Cordially,
Nimer Jaber
My mission is to bring love and peace to everyone around me with all
tools
available to me.
My core values are integrity, innovation, loyalty, excellence, and 100%
personal responsibility.
The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents
by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) may result in civil or
criminal charges. I have checked this email and all corresponding
attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is
up to you. Thanks.
Registered Linux User 529141.
http://counter.li.org/
To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP
and above, please click here:
http://www.nvda-project.org
You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news.
To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at
(218-606-0475) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly. Thank
you, and have a great day!


Re: Vocalizer from Tifloteknia

Lino Morales
 

Wait? We’ve waited long enough!

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Sylvie Duchateau
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 10:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Vocalizer from Tifloteknia

 

Hello all,

 

As a user of Vocalizer voices since more than 2 years, I don't have to

complaint about this synthesiser.

 

I lost my license rights and after some e-mail exchanges with

Tiflotecnia, we found a way to solve the problem.

 

I had no bad experience with them.

 

So let's wait till the new version comes, and let's see what happens.

 

Best regards

 

Sylvie

 

Le 21/12/2017 à 16:28, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io a écrit :

> Although you obviously do feel passionate about this, I do feel that

> you might be close to upsetting somebody with this. whatever the

> rights and wrongs here, we do have to stay civil. There is no evidence

> of any wrongdoing, only lack of communication really.

> Brian

> bglists@...

> Sent via blueyonder.

> Please address personal email to:-

> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'

> in the display name field.

> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nimer Jaber" <nimerjaber1@...>

> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

> Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 9:23 AM

> Subject: Re: [NVDA] Vocalizer from Tifloteknia

> At least other companies add features like voices that users have been

> requesting. And at least they don’t keep telling users that an update is

> coming for years and not delivering on that update. Again, I would

> like to

> say that I’m wrong. I would like to say that the product we are

> discussing

> will get updated in the features that users have been promised for a long

> time will be added. So far though, that is just not reality. And until it

> happens, I will keep coming out on this list and anywhere else that this

> product was discussed and I will keep telling users to avoid it. There’s

> really a very simple solution to this. Communicate with this list and let

> users of your product no why the promised update has not come yet.

> Continue

> to update them. Stop delivering promises that it is coming soon when it’s

> not. Stop giving timelines. However, timelines continue to be delivered.

> And we still don’t have an update. Not only do we not have the update,

> but

> we don’t have any reason why the update still taking as long as it is.

> Other than an email Wayback that said that they are running into a couple

> of issues that should be resolved very soon. Clearly there are still

> reasons why this product is not being delivered. And it’s ridiculous. You

> took a vantage of your users. You’ve taken years to update your product.

> User spent a lot of money on your product, the least you could do this

> update them on the progress of what is going on. Instead of promising

> them

> an update that has still not been delivered. I regret very much

> purchasing

> the product. I am a very to satisfied user. The level of support has been

> unprofessional. And the lack of software updates as bad. So I can’t

> recommend it. Sorry if anyone disagrees. Again, this message is being

> written outside of my role as an owner and a moderator of this listst,

> and

> my message does not represent nonvisual desktop access in any way.

> On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 00:33 iván Novegil <ivan.novegil@...> wrote:

>> Other companies add to their addons exe files that we don't know what

>> they

>> are doing. Furthermore, the exe file itself uses machine resources.

>> These

>> are some inconvenients of buying Vocalizer with other companies. Better

>> said, other company, I don't know mor than one.

>> 

>> 

>> Regards.

>> 

>> Iván Novegil Cancelas

>> Editorivan.novegil@...

>> 

>> Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA | Proyecto NVDA.es

>> - www.NVDA.es

>> 

>> Usuario do NVDA en galego

>> 

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>> 

>> O 21/12/2017 á(s) 4:22, Nimer Jaber escribiu:

>> 

>> This message is sent outside of my moderator's role.

>> 

>> do not believe that this is the case. We have been hearing about this

>> coming for a long, long, long time now... years actually. I would advise

>> anyone wishing to purchase Vocalizer to purchase the one not by Ruie

>> or his

>> company. There is another out there that I think atguys sells that I

>> would

>> recommend. Shame on any company who keeps on misleading its customers in

>> the way as has been done about this product and on this list. If it

>> comes

>> out I will apologize for my harsh message, but no evidence so far

>> indicates

>> that this product is actually coming.

>> 

>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 12:30 PM Gerardo Corripio <gera1027@...>

>> wrote:

>> 

>>> That’ll be something to look forward to. I’m especially looking forward

>>> to Spanish Chile’s Francisca, and if they’ll English US. Voices too,

>>> expanding these, especially for differemt voices in different

>>> situations

>>> (daily use, leisure reading…). Keep us posted!

>>> 

>>> Gera

>>> Enviado desde mi iPhone 5S de Telcel

>>> 

>>> El 20/12/2017, a la(s) 9:06 a. m., Rui Fontes

>>> <rui.fontes@...>

>>> escribió:

>>> 

>>> > Soon...

>>> >

>>> > Regards,

>>> >

>>> > Rui Fontes

>>> > Tiflotecnia, Lda.

>>> >

>>> >

>>> > Às 14:52 de 20/12/2017, Chris Shook escreveu:

>>> >> Hi,

>>> >> Is there any news on when the new vocalizer foices Ie, Nathan,

>>> Oliver,

>>> Kate, etc. will be available from Tifloteknia?

>>> >> Thanks

>>> >> Chris

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> --

>> Cordially,

>> 

>> Nimer Jaber

>> 

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>> tools

>> available to me.

>> My core values are integrity, innovation, loyalty, excellence, and 100%

>> personal responsibility.

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Re: Vocalizer from Tifloteknia

Lino Morales
 

I totally agree with you sir. So come on Ruy deliver! I’ve thought buying your product, but I certainly won’t consider it now.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Nimer Jaber
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 4:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Vocalizer from Tifloteknia

 

At least other companies add features like voices that users have been requesting. And at least they don’t keep telling users that an update is coming for years and not delivering on that update. Again, I would like to say that I’m wrong. I would like to say that the product we are discussing will get updated in the features that users have been promised for a long time will be added. So far though, that is just not reality. And until it happens, I will keep coming out on this list and anywhere else that this product was discussed and I will keep telling users to avoid it. There’s really a very simple solution to this. Communicate with this list and let users of your product no why the promised update has not come yet. Continue to update them. Stop delivering promises that it is coming soon when it’s not. Stop giving timelines. However, timelines continue to be delivered. And we still don’t have an update. Not only do we not have the update, but we don’t have any reason why the update still taking as long as it is. Other than an email Wayback that said that they are running into a couple of issues that should be resolved very soon. Clearly there are still reasons why this product is not being delivered. And it’s ridiculous. You took a vantage of your users. You’ve taken years to update your product. User spent a lot of money on your product, the least you could do this update them on the progress of what is going on. Instead of promising them an update that has still not been delivered. I regret very much purchasing the product. I am a very to satisfied user. The level of support has been unprofessional. And the lack of software updates as bad. So I can’t recommend it. Sorry if anyone disagrees. Again, this message is being written outside of my role as an owner and a moderator of this listst, and my message does not represent nonvisual desktop access in any way.

On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 00:33 iván Novegil <ivan.novegil@...> wrote:

Other companies add to their addons exe files that we don't know what they are doing. Furthermore, the exe file itself uses machine resources. These are some inconvenients of buying Vocalizer with other companies. Better said, other company, I don't know mor than one.

 

Regards.

Iván Novegil Cancelas
Editor
ivan.novegil@...
 
Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA | Proyecto NVDA.es
- www.NVDA.es
 
Usuario do NVDA en galego
 
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O 21/12/2017 á(s) 4:22, Nimer Jaber escribiu:

This message is sent outside of my moderator's role.

 

do not believe that this is the case. We have been hearing about this coming for a long, long, long time now... years actually. I would advise anyone wishing to purchase Vocalizer to purchase the one not by Ruie or his company. There is another out there that I think atguys sells that I would recommend. Shame on any company who keeps on misleading its customers in the way as has been done about this product and on this list. If it comes out I will apologize for my harsh message, but no evidence so far indicates that this product is actually coming.

 

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 12:30 PM Gerardo Corripio <gera1027@...> wrote:

That’ll be something to look forward to. I’m especially looking forward to Spanish Chile’s Francisca, and if they’ll English US. Voices too, expanding these, especially for differemt voices in different situations (daily use, leisure reading…). Keep us posted!

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone 5S de Telcel

El 20/12/2017, a la(s) 9:06 a. m., Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> escribió:

> Soon...
>
> Regards,
>
> Rui Fontes
> Tiflotecnia, Lda.
>
>
> Às 14:52 de 20/12/2017, Chris Shook escreveu:
>> Hi,
>> Is there any news on when the new vocalizer foices Ie, Nathan, Oliver, Kate, etc. will be available from Tifloteknia?
>> Thanks
>> Chris
>
>
>


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