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Re: NVDA not reading books in kindle book viewer

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Mary,

I am no longer using my iPhone so did not try the book in the kindle app.

Pranav


Re: Logging on to groups.io causes NVDA 2020.4 to crash

 

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 07:37 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
I'm pretty sure restarting the computer should be the first step. :)
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Agreed.  And I covered that in the personal dope slap follow up message, as it's the first thing in my list of The Most Basic Troubleshooting Steps for Suspected NVDA Issues, and the others you mention are numbers two and three, in the same order you mention.
 
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Re: Logging on to groups.io causes NVDA 2020.4 to crash

Luke Davis
 

On Fri, 12 Mar 2021, Brian Vogel wrote:

2020.4.  I'd suggest uninstalling and reinstalling as a first step to see if the issue persists
I'm pretty sure restarting the computer should be the first step. :)

Followed by running the Com Reg fixing tool. It's quick, it's easy, and it solves all kinds of odd behavior problems with no further work. I have heard of some cases where you have to run it twice, but those cases are without logs, so I don't really know what was going on there.
But the point is: it's minimal impact, and takes 10 seconds, so why not run that first?

The third step should be restarting with add-ons disabled, as you pointed out in your followup email.

Reinstalling the software should, at best, be the fourth step, imo.

Luke


Re: Logging on to groups.io causes NVDA 2020.4 to crash

 

Louise,

            Of course, if you haven't tried The Most Basic Troubleshooting Steps for Suspected NVDA Issues
then do so before uninstalling and reinstalling.  The issue could lie with an add-on.
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Re: Logging on to groups.io causes NVDA 2020.4 to crash

 

Louise,

          FYI, the group archives are public, so you do not have to be logged in to view and search them.

           Can't explain the crash with 2020.4.  I'd suggest uninstalling and reinstalling as a first step to see if the issue persists.
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Re: Logging on to groups.io causes NVDA 2020.4 to crash

Chris Smart
 

I'm not sure what's happening there. I don't use Edge regularly, but I just logged into my groups.io account with it and NVDA 2020.4.



On 2021-03-12 5:31 p.m., Louise Pfau wrote:
Hi.  I recently updated my E-mail through my groups.io account, and now NVDA 2020.4 crashes when I try to log into groups.io.  I wanted to search the archive for something, rather than post a message.  I’m using Microsoft EdgeVersion 89.0.774.50 (Official build).
 
Thanks,
 
Louise


Logging on to groups.io causes NVDA 2020.4 to crash

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  I recently updated my E-mail through my groups.io account, and now NVDA 2020.4 crashes when I try to log into groups.io.  I wanted to search the archive for something, rather than post a message.  I’m using Microsoft EdgeVersion 89.0.774.50 (Official build).
 
Thanks,
 
Louise


Re: crashes with basic operations

Janet Brandly
 

Thank you Brian, I will do that today.

Janet

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: March 12, 2021 10:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] crashes with basic operations

 

Janet,

            I myself have learned, the hard way, that NVDA issues are not always, in reality, NVDA issues.  I've had plenty of thing end up being traceable to an add-on over time, and sometimes to one that's worked fine for ages as a change in something else triggers it to break.

            Hence, I suggest you take a look at:  The Most Basic Troubleshooting Steps for Suspected NVDA Issues
It will help you to figure out whether this is, in reality, an actual problem with the NVDA core code or if something else may be going on.
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Re: crashes with basic operations

 

Janet,

            I myself have learned, the hard way, that NVDA issues are not always, in reality, NVDA issues.  I've had plenty of thing end up being traceable to an add-on over time, and sometimes to one that's worked fine for ages as a change in something else triggers it to break.

            Hence, I suggest you take a look at:  The Most Basic Troubleshooting Steps for Suspected NVDA Issues
It will help you to figure out whether this is, in reality, an actual problem with the NVDA core code or if something else may be going on.
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locked Re: Admin's Note: Re: I have a new text to speech voice available for purchase. #adminnotice

 

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 02:29 AM, Jackson Blackford wrote:
I don't think it's right to get suspicious about something that was just started.
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While I get your point, you bear at least some responsibility for this.  It is up to you (or anyone in your position) to craft a "launch statement" that is a lot more comprehensive than what you offered, which was short and cryptic and definitely appeared to be self-promoting.

All three of those things raise legitimate concerns and suspicions.  It is easy enough to craft a launch statement that addresses the kinds of concerns that have been raised before they are ever raised.  If much of what you said in the message I have quoted from had been included in your launch statement I can assure you this would have played out very differently.
 
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locked Re: Admin's Note: Re: I have a new text to speech voice available for purchase. #adminnotice

Steve Nutt
 

Actually it does sound synthesised to me. It sounds a bit like RH Voice.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 11 March 2021 11:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Admin's Note: Re: I have a new text to speech voice available for purchase. #adminnotice

The voice doesn't sound synthesized. And if it is, why would such a high quality voice be sold for five dollars. The voice sounds much better than voices being sold on the NVDA page for forty dollars, perhaps more.


I am not saying this isn't legitimate, but I'd want good verification.


Gene

On 3/11/2021 4:10 AM, Ali Savas wrote:
Hello Nimer,

I too have reservations about buying this voice. The whole thing feels
very unserious.

I was able to listen to a sample of the voice on the website he posted
here. To me it sounds like RHVoice or some similar technology. In such
a case I think it is illegal, as these technologies are under an open
source license.

Best regards
Ali





locked Re: Admin's Note: Re: I have a new text to speech voice available for purchase. #adminnotice

 

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 03:08 AM, Gene wrote:
I am saying that a voice listed on that page would bee seen by a lot of users as having an implied endorsement in terms of safety. A lot of users wouldn't be familiar with the discussion on list.
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That's different, and a legitimate concern.

I have advocated, for some time, with regard to add-ons (and it would apply here) that there should be a centralized place where all would be stored, but that there would be a vetted/safety and effectiveness tested and an "at your own risk" section.

There are scads of add-ons that have been created, and been being used safely for a long time, that their respective owners do not wish to submit for official vetting.  The same is obviously true for voices.

I bet that it could be counted on less than one hand the times when anything that has originated from "the community" whether vetted or not had malign intent or effect.  But I agree that one should know when and whether something has been vetted (which is not exactly the same as endorsed, but close) and not.  But it should be up to the end user to decide whether what the thing offers is important enough, to them, to try it if it is in the "at your own risk" section.

Centralized repositories for these sorts of things are advantageous for all involved and should be set up (period) but must also let the potential user know whether something has been vetted or not.  Unvetted seldom means "bad" or "malign."
 
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crashes with basic operations

Janet Brandly
 

Hello NVDA Team,

 

Just so you know, I am getting crashes with NVDA when performing basic functions such as when trying to read my inbox in Outlook and filling in forms on webpages. Restarting NVDA solves the problem, but it is an annoyance. I am running Win10 with the latest NVDA. I keep my laptop clean of extraneous software.

 

Thanks,

 

Janet


Re: nvda remote sound question and working on command line via laptop

mslion
 

hi,
I have thought about and the client does not matter to me. It is more the way that I can navigate between input and output and putting in command/scripts. I do not have a numpad at all.

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone

Op 12 mrt. 2021 om 12:15 heeft Luke Davis <luke@newanswertech.com> het volgende geschreven:

On Fri, 12 Mar 2021, mslion wrote:

Secondly, I am slowly discovering the world of linux and the
possabilities of a command line. How do I navigate easely throug the
output of a commandline? I am thinking of using something like putty
Have you looked at just using the included Windows ssh client?
Or WSL?

for ssh access. I know it is possible with the numeric keys but these
are not available on the laptop layout and using the laptop keys makes
it that I need to use two hands to navigate wereas I would prefer one
I am unclear: does your laptop have a numeric keypad, or does it not?
I understand that you are using the laptop layout, but that doesn't mean you don't have a numpad.

Luke





Re: nvda remote sound question and working on command line via laptop

Luke Davis
 

On Fri, 12 Mar 2021, mslion wrote:

Secondly, I am slowly discovering the world of linux and the
possabilities of a command line. How do I navigate easely throug the
output of a commandline? I am thinking of using something like putty
Have you looked at just using the included Windows ssh client?
Or WSL?

for ssh access. I know it is possible with the numeric keys but these
are not available on the laptop layout and using the laptop keys makes
it that I need to use two hands to navigate wereas I would prefer one
I am unclear: does your laptop have a numeric keypad, or does it not?
I understand that you are using the laptop layout, but that doesn't mean you don't have a numpad.

Luke


nvda remote sound question and working on command line via laptop

mslion
 

Dear all,
Is it possible with the nvda remote add-on to play sound from the
controlled computer to the controlling one? I mean not the nvda sound
but vlc media player for example?
Secondly, I am slowly discovering the world of linux and the
possabilities of a command line. How do I navigate easely throug the
output of a commandline? I am thinking of using something like putty
for ssh access. I know it is possible with the numeric keys but these
are not available on the laptop layout and using the laptop keys makes
it that I need to use two hands to navigate wereas I would prefer one
so I can use the other to monitor braile?
Thanks for the tips.

With kind regards,
Mitchel Snel


locked Re: Admin's Note: Re: I have a new text to speech voice available for purchase. #adminnotice

Gene
 

I don't have an actual procedure, but I would say that, in the case of an unknown voice, one or two people would try it to see if it works and sounds as claimed. I don't know what was done in this case and I'm not assuming either way. I'm saying that it shouldn't be listed if one or two people didn't test it first for performance, sounding as claimed, and safety, not malicious. Voices can be just as malicious as add-ons.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 10:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Admin's Note: Re: I have a new text to speech voice available for purchase. #adminnotice


I added a line to the extra voices page to clarify that listing was done to provide a resource for users and should not be taken as official endorsement. I can see how a user could very easily get to that page and assume anything there is officially endorsed though.

What do you have in mind for review though? Not everything there is open source, and not everything requires an add-on - eg this new one is a SAPI 5 voice as are several others there.


On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 3:07 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 11:03 PM, Gene wrote:
I and others have raised many important questions about it.-
As did the announcement. It is not an "implied endorsement" when something is announced with the clear provisos that were used here. If anyone does not understand that this is not the fault of anyone but the reader

There was nothing even vaguely like an endorsement, implied or otherwise. [And, by the way, I red flagged this announcement and there was an awful lot of back-channel discussion before the heavily cautioned announcement.]

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locked Re: Admin's Note: Re: I have a new text to speech voice available for purchase. #adminnotice

Gene
 

I'm not talking about what appeared on this list. The voice is listed as an available voice on the extra voices page and no cautions or qualifications are given there.

I am saying that a voice listed on that page would bee seen by a lot of users as having an implied endorsement in terms of safety. A lot of users wouldn't be familiar with the discussion on list.

The initial message raised serious questions about it and other list members did as well. Nowhere in the list discussion was a statement made such as that Quenton has tried the voice and found it safe and reliable. I don't know what the case is. That is why I said that voices that are unknown should be reviewed. I should have asked if the voice was reviewed and how.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 10:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Admin's Note: Re: I have a new text to speech voice available for purchase. #adminnotice

On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 11:03 PM, Gene wrote:
I and others have raised many important questions about it.-
As did the announcement. It is not an "implied endorsement" when something is announced with the clear provisos that were used here. If anyone does not understand that this is not the fault of anyone but the reader

There was nothing even vaguely like an endorsement, implied or otherwise. [And, by the way, I red flagged this announcement and there was an awful lot of back-channel discussion before the heavily cautioned announcement.]

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locked Re: Admin's Note: Re: I have a new text to speech voice available for purchase. #adminnotice

Felix G.
 

Hi,
so this is actually your own voice modelled in software through some
technology like Lyrebird?
Best,
Felix Grützmacher

Am Fr., 12. März 2021 um 08:30 Uhr schrieb Jackson Blackford
<blackfordstuff@gmail.com>:


All of these questions are good questions, and I will try to answer them all right now. The reason it is so good for only 5 dollars is because I want a very good TTS voice that anyone who needs it or wants it can use, but not have to spend a lot of money. It is a real TTS voice, not me talking. I recorded 755 long phrases to make the voice, and that's why it's so good. I already had a customer earlier but it was a company. I don't know why a TTS voice company wanted to buy my voice, but as long as they aren't planning on selling it, I guess it's OK. The person who said I wanted to get started and that I am a young creator is right. I am just getting started. The good news is that you don't have to use NVDA to use the voice, as it is SAPI5. I don't have a lot of money, that's why I couldn't make an add-on for NVDA. I haven't the slightest clue where to even begin with creating an add-on by myself. I hope my answers helped. However, I have one more thing to say. I don't think it's right to get suspicious about something that was just started. If someone gave a bad review, that would make sense. However, for people to keep making other people think that it's bad is not acceptable until there is evidence there is something bad. I hope that company who bought the voice from me for 5 dollars can tell you that it works and they can even post a video of them using it if they want to. Thanks.


locked Re: Admin's Note: Re: I have a new text to speech voice available for purchase. #adminnotice

Jackson Blackford <blackfordstuff@...>
 

All of these questions are good questions, and I will try to answer them all right now. The reason it is so good for only 5 dollars is because I want a very good TTS voice that anyone who needs it or wants it can use, but not have to spend a lot of money. It is a real TTS voice, not me talking. I recorded 755 long phrases to make the voice, and that's why it's so good. I already had a customer earlier but it was a company. I don't know why a TTS voice company wanted to buy my voice, but as long as they aren't planning on selling it, I guess it's OK. The person who said I wanted to get started and that I am a young creator is right. I am just getting started. The good news is that you don't have to use NVDA to use the voice, as it is SAPI5. I don't have a lot of money, that's why I couldn't make an add-on for NVDA. I haven't the slightest clue where to even begin with creating an add-on by myself. I hope my answers helped. However, I have one more thing to say. I don't think it's right to get suspicious about something that was just started. If someone gave a bad review, that would make sense. However, for people to keep making other people think that it's bad is not acceptable until there is evidence there is something bad. I hope that company who bought the voice from me for 5 dollars can tell you that it works and they can even post a video of them using it if they want to. Thanks.

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