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Re: document converter things

 

aah ok I'lll look at that to.

On 22/05/2020 1:34 am, Tony Ballou wrote:
Hi,


Try this one.  It's got a free and a professional version, is accessible with screen readers, and should do the job.


https://www.nchsoftware.com/documentconvert/index.html


Tony

On 5/21/2020 1:47 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi.

Further to my old document conversion issue a user suggested multiple document converter by polenter software.

I downloaded it but found 2 issues.

1.  the program is not fully accessible.

Thats fine, I have only 2 large folders of files I want to convert.

2.  on converting my word 95 files to 2003-word97 files, the files themselves were corrupted and jarte crashed.

I then tried docx.


Every document I had which was quite old my word 95 files for example, were blank.

This converter aint for me.

I have jarte which I payed for, which does everything I want.

Sadly I may have to get libre office or ms office or something so I can read the files, I have a system with libre office and the files are read fine enough, and I hardly need them, but if there is another document converter even ifits a low cost office thing I'll try that.

This one just is not serving my purpose.

I also had a little trouble accessing it and in fact the rest of the polenter apps were not especially usable.

I wander if there are document converters in the ms store.





Re: document converter things

 

Hi.

I'll look at that.

I was hoping for a batch converter but oh well.

These are not that important I need to do them right away.

On 22/05/2020 1:20 am, Kerryn Gunness via groups.io wrote:
u can try
zamzar.com
website to convert files to other formats

----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <@smeveriss>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 1:47 AM
Subject: [nvda] document converter things


Hi.

Further to my old document conversion issue a user suggested multiple document converter by polenter software.

I downloaded it but found 2 issues.

1. the program is not fully accessible.

Thats fine, I have only 2 large folders of files I want to convert.

2. on converting my word 95 files to 2003-word97 files, the files themselves were corrupted and jarte crashed.

I then tried docx.


Every document I had which was quite old my word 95 files for example, were blank.

This converter aint for me.

I have jarte which I payed for, which does everything I want.

Sadly I may have to get libre office or ms office or something so I can read the files, I have a system with libre office and the files are read fine enough, and I hardly need them, but if there is another document converter even ifits a low cost office thing I'll try that.

This one just is not serving my purpose.

I also had a little trouble accessing it and in fact the rest of the polenter apps were not especially usable.

I wander if there are document converters in the ms store.






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Re: A few questions

Andre Fisher
 

Hi.

This is because Symbol Pronunciation settings are not profile specific. They work the same across all profiles and the normal configuration, similar to dictionaries.


Re: ExpressSctribe and NVDA

Betsy Grenevitch
 

Thank you so very much. I have some memory issues and could not remember if I had tried it with NVDA or windoweyes. Your help is greatly appreciated.


On 5/21/2020 4:30 PM, Janet Brandly wrote:

Hello,

 

ExpressScribe is accessible with screen readers. I used it with WE throughout an entire course in medical transcription I took 10 years ago. I tried the demo version recently and it worked with NVDA just fine.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Janet

 

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Re: Accessible scanner drivers

Gene
 

As I think about it, it was something like fifteen years ago that I installed Epson software.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible scanner drivers

It isn't a question of the driver being inaccessible.  it’s a question of the installation program being inaccessible.  Do you know how to work with object navigation and screen review?  Do you also have another screen-reader available, it can be as a demo.  I don't have any idea if you could have used the installation software.  About ten years ago, I installed Epson software.  I may have had to use something like object navigation and/or another screen-reader, I don't remember now.  But we need more information about what you have and if you know how to use these ways of navigation.
 
It also sounds as though you have sighted help now.  if you install the driver or the full software, any compatible OCR program that can cause the scanner to run and have the information transferred to it will be able to be used.  You aren't working with the driver.  You are working with the OCR program and that program is communicating with the driver.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible scanner drivers

To clarify my original question, my old scanner is Epson, and it's driver was completely inaccessible, so I was unable to install it, and back then I didn't have anyone sighted to help me - so no matter what OCR program you're using, without a driver it's not going to work. So this time I would like to check that the driver is accessible first and foremost.

On 5/21/2020 9:21 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 10:59 AM, Gene wrote:
It used to be that at least some scanners came with accessible OCR programs.  I don't know enough about this to generalize, but it is my impression that not as many do now.
Gene, since you asked for comment, this is precisely the opposite of my experience, still ongoing.  I don't know of a single home or office grade flatbed scanner or multi-function that doesn't include OCR as part of its "scan to PDF" function.  They've all been doing this for years now.

I have a personal preference for Canon multi-function machines, which definitely include OCR functionality, but mostly because they still sell a number of models with separate ink tanks, which are less expensive in the long run, and infinitely less expensive if you buy automatic reset chip (ARC) tanks that you can refill.

A dear friend of mine who's my mother's age, and has been totally blind since birth, has been using a now-out-of-production Canon multi-function that I recommended to her for somewhere around 5 years or so now.  She does have scanning software other than that which comes with the multi-function, though, and I'm not sure which software she's using with it.

I have to admit that I am at least a bit confused by the original question, as I have not directly interfaced with a scanner driver, whether with a sighted or blind client, in years.  The application software that comes with or that you can use with the device is the user interface.
 
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Re: Accessible scanner drivers

Gene
 

It isn't a question of the driver being inaccessible.  it’s a question of the installation program being inaccessible.  Do you know how to work with object navigation and screen review?  Do you also have another screen-reader available, it can be as a demo.  I don't have any idea if you could have used the installation software.  About ten years ago, I installed Epson software.  I may have had to use something like object navigation and/or another screen-reader, I don't remember now.  But we need more information about what you have and if you know how to use these ways of navigation.
 
It also sounds as though you have sighted help now.  if you install the driver or the full software, any compatible OCR program that can cause the scanner to run and have the information transferred to it will be able to be used.  You aren't working with the driver.  You are working with the OCR program and that program is communicating with the driver.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible scanner drivers

To clarify my original question, my old scanner is Epson, and it's driver was completely inaccessible, so I was unable to install it, and back then I didn't have anyone sighted to help me - so no matter what OCR program you're using, without a driver it's not going to work. So this time I would like to check that the driver is accessible first and foremost.

On 5/21/2020 9:21 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 10:59 AM, Gene wrote:
It used to be that at least some scanners came with accessible OCR programs.  I don't know enough about this to generalize, but it is my impression that not as many do now.
Gene, since you asked for comment, this is precisely the opposite of my experience, still ongoing.  I don't know of a single home or office grade flatbed scanner or multi-function that doesn't include OCR as part of its "scan to PDF" function.  They've all been doing this for years now.

I have a personal preference for Canon multi-function machines, which definitely include OCR functionality, but mostly because they still sell a number of models with separate ink tanks, which are less expensive in the long run, and infinitely less expensive if you buy automatic reset chip (ARC) tanks that you can refill.

A dear friend of mine who's my mother's age, and has been totally blind since birth, has been using a now-out-of-production Canon multi-function that I recommended to her for somewhere around 5 years or so now.  She does have scanning software other than that which comes with the multi-function, though, and I'm not sure which software she's using with it.

I have to admit that I am at least a bit confused by the original question, as I have not directly interfaced with a scanner driver, whether with a sighted or blind client, in years.  The application software that comes with or that you can use with the device is the user interface.
 
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Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

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Re: Accessible scanner drivers

Tony Malykh
 

To clarify my original question, my old scanner is Epson, and it's driver was completely inaccessible, so I was unable to install it, and back then I didn't have anyone sighted to help me - so no matter what OCR program you're using, without a driver it's not going to work. So this time I would like to check that the driver is accessible first and foremost.

On 5/21/2020 9:21 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 10:59 AM, Gene wrote:
It used to be that at least some scanners came with accessible OCR programs.  I don't know enough about this to generalize, but it is my impression that not as many do now.
Gene, since you asked for comment, this is precisely the opposite of my experience, still ongoing.  I don't know of a single home or office grade flatbed scanner or multi-function that doesn't include OCR as part of its "scan to PDF" function.  They've all been doing this for years now.

I have a personal preference for Canon multi-function machines, which definitely include OCR functionality, but mostly because they still sell a number of models with separate ink tanks, which are less expensive in the long run, and infinitely less expensive if you buy automatic reset chip (ARC) tanks that you can refill.

A dear friend of mine who's my mother's age, and has been totally blind since birth, has been using a now-out-of-production Canon multi-function that I recommended to her for somewhere around 5 years or so now.  She does have scanning software other than that which comes with the multi-function, though, and I'm not sure which software she's using with it.

I have to admit that I am at least a bit confused by the original question, as I have not directly interfaced with a scanner driver, whether with a sighted or blind client, in years.  The application software that comes with or that you can use with the device is the user interface.
 
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Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: Accessible scanner drivers

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi Tony


I have noticed unless it states it has OCR software on the box some where it does not seem to have it. some times it will mention the software with the scanner that you can look up to see if it is there.


What I have done lately is depending on the scanner software if it is crap and not useable with a screen reader on the new printer is I have brought the KNFB reader when it is on sale a few years back for windows 10.


it is very accessible with nvda I think you can try it out and do 25 scans for free with some limitations but forget what they are.


If you have the same account on both computers with other scanners from other manufactures it seems you can use that software on those computers as well with the software.


So last time I got a muti function printer scanner package for 18 bucks as I only wanted the scanner and used the KNFB reader with it it if I remember right either used it own drivers or the scanners to use the KNFb reader.


I have the saem software on my android phone the KNFB reader  and have that on a couple of phones with the same account very use full to read those things that come by real mail but not hand written.


Gene nz


On 22/05/2020 6:10 am, Tyaseta Rabita Nugraeni Sardjono wrote:
Hp n canon scanner have software from factory which is accessible without 3rd party app

On Thu, May 21, 2020, 21:38 Tony Malykh <anton.malykh@...> wrote:
Hello all,
I am looking to buy a new scanner as my old one just died. However I've
heard that scanner drivers from many manufacturers tend to be not very
accessible. Can anyone recommend me which scanner (or scanner+printer)
comes with accessible driver/accompanying software?
Thanks!
Tony





ExpressSctribe and NVDA

Janet Brandly
 

Hello,

 

ExpressScribe is accessible with screen readers. I used it with WE throughout an entire course in medical transcription I took 10 years ago. I tried the demo version recently and it worked with NVDA just fine.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Janet

 


Re: What do You prefer to write Docs, Presentations, or Spreadsheets with NVDA

 

On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 02:40 PM, Arlene wrote:
I had to fill out a Canadian Government form that was PDF I had to call the CNIB to get help filling out the form. 
As I've mentioned in the past, there are a very great many people who do not know how to design a fillable form, whether in PDF or MS-Word.

I've had a few US government forms that were billed as fillable that either were not at all, or were, but you couldn't save the filled-in form, which is pretty useless from a record keeping perspective.   And when you're actually dealing with fillable forms, type conversions often screw things up.

It's pretty much a black box until you start trying to work with a given PDF file, regardless of what is claimed.
 
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Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

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Re: A few questions

Akshaya Choudhary
 

Okay, I'm finding out that no matter what i do, the symbol/punctuation levels from one profile are carried over to the other. Is this an issue with NVDA in general, or with my copy in particular? It seems counter intuitive that two different profiles cannot have two different sets of punctuation settings.
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Re: What do You prefer to write Docs, Presentations, or Spreadsheets with NVDA

Arlene
 

Alright, I’ll go check it out! Thanks. The reason I asked that question about PDF I had to fill out a Canadian Government form that was PDF I had to call the CNIB to get help filling out the form. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: May 21, 2020 11:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] What do You prefer to write Docs, Presentations, or Spreadsheets with NVDA

 

Sorry, the link I meant to post was:  http://www.multidoc-converter.com/en/index.html

It tells you what types can be converted on its main page.

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Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 

 


Re: What do You prefer to write Docs, Presentations, or Spreadsheets with NVDA

 

Sorry, the link I meant to post was:  http://www.multidoc-converter.com/en/index.html

It tells you what types can be converted on its main page.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: What do You prefer to write Docs, Presentations, or Spreadsheets with NVDA

 

On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 02:17 PM, Arlene wrote:
Hi, will it convert PDF documents to word documents or whatever you have on your computer?
http://www.multidoc-converter.com/en/support/index.html
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: What do You prefer to write Docs, Presentations, or Spreadsheets with NVDA

Arlene
 

Hi, will it convert PDF documents to word documents or whatever you have on your computer?

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: May 21, 2020 7:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] What do You prefer to write Docs, Presentations, or Spreadsheets with NVDA

 

yes it is a computer-only program and yes it batch-converts multiple documents very very fast, and yes it is very easy to use. 

 


Re: Accessible scanner drivers

Tyaseta Rabita Nugraeni Sardjono <tyasetarabita@...>
 

Hp n canon scanner have software from factory which is accessible without 3rd party app


On Thu, May 21, 2020, 21:38 Tony Malykh <anton.malykh@...> wrote:
Hello all,
I am looking to buy a new scanner as my old one just died. However I've
heard that scanner drivers from many manufacturers tend to be not very
accessible. Can anyone recommend me which scanner (or scanner+printer)
comes with accessible driver/accompanying software?
Thanks!
Tony





Re: Accessible scanner drivers

 

On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 01:59 PM, sardar shankar wrote:
may be oftopic can any one tell me how to do auto scan in omni page
It is off-topic.  If, after having consulted Omnipage's own help page for this, http://omnipage.helpmax.net/en/bringing-images-into-omnipage/scanning/scanning-pages/, which gives step-by-step instructions for virtually any type of document, you need additional help please start a topic in the Chat Subgroup.

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Re: Accessible scanner drivers

sardar shankar
 

may be oftopic can any one tell me how to do auto scan in omni page
like we do in kurzweil and abbyy fine reader.

On 5/21/20, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
I can definitely say that OCR engines in general have improved more
substantially than I can even express over the last several decades.  You
can have some very, very crappy originals and still get remarkably accurate
results.  For those of us of a certain age where mimeographed copies were
later photocopied you get these things that have little dots scattered all
over the place and blotches here and there.  When I've OCRed these (or image
PDF versions of these) in recent years the results have been nearly perfect,
which is saying something.

I also just tested the Canon IJ Scan Utility with NVDA and all of its
buttons are accessible and, given how little its changed over the years, I'd
expect that the underlying functions for each, when they require user
interaction, will be so as well.  For single page scanning to PDF all you do
is hit one button and you're done.

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*Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its
platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.*

~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment
Took Hold in the United States (
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-us.html
) , September 23, 2019




Re: Accessible scanner drivers

 

I can definitely say that OCR engines in general have improved more substantially than I can even express over the last several decades.  You can have some very, very crappy originals and still get remarkably accurate results.  For those of us of a certain age where mimeographed copies were later photocopied you get these things that have little dots scattered all over the place and blotches here and there.  When I've OCRed these (or image PDF versions of these) in recent years the results have been nearly perfect, which is saying something.

I also just tested the Canon IJ Scan Utility with NVDA and all of its buttons are accessible and, given how little its changed over the years, I'd expect that the underlying functions for each, when they require user interaction, will be so as well.  For single page scanning to PDF all you do is hit one button and you're done.

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Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: Accessible scanner drivers

Gene
 

I know that Epson Perfection scanners used to come with an accessible version of Fine Reader, but a number of years ago, comments on one or two lists indicated that the software provided with the scanner is no longer accessible.  I don't know about other scanners.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible scanner drivers

On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 10:59 AM, Gene wrote:
It used to be that at least some scanners came with accessible OCR programs.  I don't know enough about this to generalize, but it is my impression that not as many do now.
Gene, since you asked for comment, this is precisely the opposite of my experience, still ongoing.  I don't know of a single home or office grade flatbed scanner or multi-function that doesn't include OCR as part of its "scan to PDF" function.  They've all been doing this for years now.

I have a personal preference for Canon multi-function machines, which definitely include OCR functionality, but mostly because they still sell a number of models with separate ink tanks, which are less expensive in the long run, and infinitely less expensive if you buy automatic reset chip (ARC) tanks that you can refill.

A dear friend of mine who's my mother's age, and has been totally blind since birth, has been using a now-out-of-production Canon multi-function that I recommended to her for somewhere around 5 years or so now.  She does have scanning software other than that which comes with the multi-function, though, and I'm not sure which software she's using with it.

I have to admit that I am at least a bit confused by the original question, as I have not directly interfaced with a scanner driver, whether with a sighted or blind client, in years.  The application software that comes with or that you can use with the device is the user interface.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019