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Re: McAfee Antivirus does not work with NVDA
David Goldfield
To Gene's point I can tell you that Kaspersky Antivirus, while its accessibility is far from ideal, works much better with NVDA than it does with JAWS. With JAWS I need to use the touch cursor to review the screen, which is similar to NVDA's object navigation. With NVDA navigating with the tab key does at least provide some feedback although there are instances where using object navigation is needed.
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On 7/16/2020 2:21 PM, Gene wrote:
It depends. Years ago, Avast wasn't accessible with screen-readers. In order to allow information to reach JAWS from Avast, the developers explicitly told Avast to let JAWS see the information. Without that explicit exception, allowing information to reach the screen-reader was stopped by the self defense system of NVDA.
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Re: strange little problem using nvda help and whats new.
Chris
I know what you said, if the browser that is opening is not your default then that is your default, I don't know what or where you are checking your defaults but obviously it's not correct, You could check by clicking one of the links in this email and see what browser opens then
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On 16 Jul 2020, at 22:10, Kevin Cussick via groups.io <the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: strange little problem using nvda help and whats new.
Kevin Cussick
I have said it was I checked before posting thanks.
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On 16/07/2020 22:08, Chris via groups.io wrote:
If firefox is opening then edge cannot be your default browser
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Re: NVDA does not react when pressing ctrl+alt+delete
Luke Robinett
I’ve been using Windows operating systems since the early 90s and I am reluctantly going to admit that I had no idea there was another way to get to the task manager besides control alt delete. See? Even us seasoned vets can learn something new from this great forum. Thanks folks
On Jul 16, 2020, at 10:20 AM, Laughing Thunder <laughingthunder26@...> wrote:
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Re: strange little problem using nvda help and whats new.
Chris
If firefox is opening then edge cannot be your default browser
From: Kevin Cussick via groups.io
Sent: 16 July 2020 22:02 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] strange little problem using nvda help and whats new.
Hi, thanks for this will do it but just got rid of firefox.
On 16/07/2020 18:56, CARLOS-ESTEBAN wrote: > Hello. > You need to configure Edge for open files *.htm and *.html. > Regards. > Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías. > Músico (pianista) y también ayuda a usuarios con discapacidad visual en el > uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología. > Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA. > > Musicien (pianist) and also help to users with a visual disability in > the use of screen readers and technology. > Certified expert in screen reader NVDA. > > > > El mié., 15 de jul. de 2020 a la(s) 15:49, Kevin Cussick via groups.io > <http://groups.io> (the.big.white.shepherd@... > <mailto:googlemail.com@groups.io>) escribió: > > Hi all, I have MS edge as the default browser, but each time I hit > nvda h then the letter n for WATS new firefox opens why? and Yes it is > set to edge as default. > > > >
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Re: strange little problem using nvda help and whats new.
Kevin Cussick
Hi, thanks for this will do it but just got rid of firefox.
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On 16/07/2020 18:56, CARLOS-ESTEBAN wrote:
Hello.
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Re: office 2019 word and nvda
Hi all,
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Based on the log posted by Luke, it appears NVDA is trying to obtain information from a control that no longer exists (according to accessibility API's) or something is grabbing NVDA's attention too long. Technical: I think there is a thread deadlock somewhere. The log fragment in question (see the GitHub issue Luke created) mostly points to threads trying to wait for something from its processing queue. This is evidenced by the fact that multiple threads are waiting for a response from a "dead" UIA element in regards to supported properties. Cheers, Joseph
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 1:43 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] office 2019 word and nvda I have created an issue for this. If it is happening to you and you want it fixed, please post a comment and possibly more information on this issue: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/11391 Luke
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Re: office 2019 word and nvda
Luke Davis
Especially make sure you list your NVDA version, Office version, and Windows version.
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On Thu, 16 Jul 2020, Luke Davis wrote:
I have created an issue for this. If it is happening to you and you want it fixed, please post a comment and possibly more information on this issue:
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Re: office 2019 word and nvda
Luke Davis
I have created an issue for this. If it is happening to you and you want it fixed, please post a comment and possibly more information on this issue:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/11391 Luke
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Re: office 2019 word and nvda
Luke Davis
Can you test whether this only happens if you use the keyboard shortcut letter, or also if you use the button directly?
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For example: Start Word. Press enter to open a new document. Enter some text. Press alt+F4 to exit. If you press "n" at this point, I assume you get the freeze. I know I do. However if you do all of that again, but instead of pressing "n" you tab to "Don't save" and press enter, do you get the same freeze? I don't. I can not replicate the part about NVDA not reading the search box properly. Try a Com Registration Fix for that, and also possibly try running with add-ons disabled. Thanks Luke
On Thu, 16 Jul 2020, Shaun Everiss wrote:
I have not got a log for this but it happens every time I open office 2019 and then after closing it.
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Re: NVDA links and buttons on websites
Gene
My last and proper correction. I should have said numpad slash wherever I said numpad star or asterisk. So the sequence is:
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Numpad enter numpad slash, followed by just numpad slash. I'm sorry about the errors. Gene
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From: Gene Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 2:15 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA links and buttons on websites I made an error in the message quoted below. Where I said to use numpad star, I meant to say numpad asterisk. To clarify, the command to move the cursor to the navigator position, in this case to the control, is num;pad enter, numpad asterisk. The left mouse click is just num;pad asterisk. So the sequence would be numpad enter, numpad asterisk, followed by just num;pad asterisk. Gene -----Original Message----- From: Gene Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 7:42 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA links and buttons on websites Another way that may work is to move the mouse to the control and clicking it. If the person is using the desktop layout, do the following: Be on the control. Issue the command numpad enter numpad star. That is, hold numpad enter, then press star. That moves the mouse to the control. Click the mouse using just the star key. So the seaquence is num;pad insert num;pad star, then star. If that doesn't work, be on the control, turn off Browse Mode, then press the space bar on the button. If it’s a link, try enter. Also, some links may not work unless you move beyond the first letter of it. While in browse mode, right arrow once past the first letter, then try enter. Gene -----Original Message----- From: Hettie Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 5:44 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] NVDA links and buttons on websites Hi all Is there any solution for links and buttons that doesn't react to the enter key on certain websites? Pressing the NVDA key and slash on the keypad doesn't work either. A friend of mine started at a new job and this presents a major problem for him. Hettie -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com
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Re: McAfee Antivirus does not work with NVDA
Scott Berry
Gene,
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I am not taking that for granted. I just wanted to moreless let people know my experience. It works fine in Jaws so that's what aI use for it.
On 7/16/2020 12:21 PM, Gene wrote:
It depends. Years ago, Avast wasn't accessible with screen-readers. In order to allow information to reach JAWS from Avast, the developers explicitly told Avast to let JAWS see the information. Without that explicit exception, allowing information to reach the screen-reader was stopped by the self defense system of NVDA.
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Re: NVDA links and buttons on websites
Gene
I made an error in the message quoted below. Where I said to use numpad star, I meant to say numpad asterisk.
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To clarify, the command to move the cursor to the navigator position, in this case to the control, is num;pad enter, numpad asterisk. The left mouse click is just num;pad asterisk. So the sequence would be numpad enter, numpad asterisk, followed by just num;pad asterisk. Gene
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From: Gene Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 7:42 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA links and buttons on websites Another way that may work is to move the mouse to the control and clicking it. If the person is using the desktop layout, do the following: Be on the control. Issue the command numpad enter numpad star. That is, hold numpad enter, then press star. That moves the mouse to the control. Click the mouse using just the star key. So the seaquence is num;pad insert num;pad star, then star. If that doesn't work, be on the control, turn off Browse Mode, then press the space bar on the button. If it’s a link, try enter. Also, some links may not work unless you move beyond the first letter of it. While in browse mode, right arrow once past the first letter, then try enter. Gene -----Original Message----- From: Hettie Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 5:44 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] NVDA links and buttons on websites Hi all Is there any solution for links and buttons that doesn't react to the enter key on certain websites? Pressing the NVDA key and slash on the keypad doesn't work either. A friend of mine started at a new job and this presents a major problem for him. Hettie -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com
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Re: NVDA links and buttons on websites
Luke Davis
I have seen the advice on github, to try control+enter, and shift+enter in some web browser contexts where enter and space fail.
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This advice was already given, but I think it should be reiterated: it is sometimes necessary to move the cursor into a control before enter or space will work. In other words, if the button was called "play", it may only become pressable when you use the right arrow to get to the "l". That is dependent on various settings I believe, although I haven't dug deeply into it. Also, object nav can sometimes be useful for these situations. Lastly, changing browsers may help. For example, buttons on icloud.com are totally unusable in Firefox with NVDA, while they work fine in any Chromium based browser such as Brave. Luke
On Thu, 16 Jul 2020, Hettie wrote:
Is there any solution for links and buttons that doesn't react to the enter key on certain websites? Pressing the NVDA key and slash on the keypad doesn't work either. A friend of mine started at a new job and this presents a major problem for him.
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Re: NVDA links and buttons on websites
Gene
The person didn't make any such qualifications. The question was how to deal with links and buttons that don't work with either enter or NVDA backslash. See the message last in this thread.
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Gene
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From: Laughing Thunder Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 12:21 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA links and buttons on websites Perhaps, but it sounds like the original poster was talking about elements that don’t even work or identify themselves as buttons at all. For those you have to use the mouse to interact with them. On Jul 16, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Gianluigi Coppelletti <gianluigi@uicparma.it> wrote: -- Laughingthunder
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Re: McAfee Antivirus does not work with NVDA
Gene
I should add that since this was done, Avast has become less accessible and I don't think it is sufficiently accessible to be used with any screen-reader.
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Gene
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From: Scott Berry Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 12:10 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] McAffee Antivirus does not work with NVDA It does work with JAWS and there is really no reason why it couldn't work with NVDA. On 7/16/2020 7:11 AM, Gene wrote: That's not surprising. Increasing numbers of antivirus programs don't work with screen-readers. It may work with JAWS; you might want to try JAWS to see but I'm far from optimistic.
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Re: McAfee Antivirus does not work with NVDA
Gene
It depends. Years ago, Avast wasn't accessible with screen-readers. In order to allow information to reach JAWS from Avast, the developers explicitly told Avast to let JAWS see the information. Without that explicit exception, allowing information to reach the screen-reader was stopped by the self defense system of NVDA.
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I'm not saying the same situation exists today, but it can't be assumed that because an antivirus program works with one screen-reader that it will work with others. Gene
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From: Scott Berry Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 12:10 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] McAffee Antivirus does not work with NVDA It does work with JAWS and there is really no reason why it couldn't work with NVDA. On 7/16/2020 7:11 AM, Gene wrote: That's not surprising. Increasing numbers of antivirus programs don't work with screen-readers. It may work with JAWS; you might want to try JAWS to see but I'm far from optimistic.
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Re: strange little problem using nvda help and whats new.
CARLOS-ESTEBAN <carlosestebanpianista@...>
Hello. You need to configure Edge for open files *.htm and *.html. Regards. Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías. Músico (pianista) y también ayuda a usuarios con discapacidad visual en el uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología. Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA. Musicien (pianist) and also help to users with a visual disability in the use of screen readers and technology. Certified expert in screen reader NVDA.
El mié., 15 de jul. de 2020 a la(s) 15:49, Kevin Cussick via groups.io (the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io) escribió: Hi all, I have MS edge as the default browser, but each time I hit
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Re: office 2019 word and nvda
CARLOS-ESTEBAN <carlosestebanpianista@...>
Hello. I use Office 2019 and I no have this problem. Well, if the problem is also with others screen readers, somme update of Office 2019 have a bug. A possible solution is open a program of Office (Word, Excel for example), go to the tab account and install updates. But is possible that the cause is other. Regards. Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías. Músico (pianista) y también ayuda a usuarios con discapacidad visual en el uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología. Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA. Musicien (pianist) and also help to users with a visual disability in the use of screen readers and technology. Certified expert in screen reader NVDA.
El jue., 16 de jul. de 2020 a la(s) 10:50, Laughing Thunder (laughingthunder26@...) escribió: Yep! It’s definitely an issue. I’ve had it happen several times already, and I have someone at work who uses Jaws and reports the same issue as well.
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Re: NVDA links and buttons on websites
On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 01:21 PM, Laughing Thunder wrote:
but it sounds like the original poster was talking about elements that don’t even work or identify themselves as buttons at all.- What follows is not a criticism of you, but a general observation: This why I ask, again and again, for URLs to be provided if at all possible. Educated conjecture is indeed valuable, but it is still no substitute for having an actual example to attempt to work with as far as determining what is actually happening, and that's the thing no one participating on this topic knows, including me. It is exceptionally difficult to give focused, accurate advice based on an abstract example that has uncertain behavior occurring. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth. ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019
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