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Re: Automatic Column and Row Header Reading

Sam Taylor

#75505

Many thanks Quentin. Works perfectly.

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On 14/07/2020 10:11 am, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Good pickup, yes you need to have NVDA set to report "tables", as well as column and row headers in NVDA's document formatting for this to work. It's not well documented so I will ensure this is updated and noted in the User Guiide and Excel module.

If you otherwise prefer to have reporting of tables off, you can setup a configuration profile for Excel which has this setting enabled:

1) Open Excel

2) Press NVDA+control+p to open the configuration profiles dialog

3) press alt+n to create a new profile

4) Leave the name and press tab once to "use this profile for".

5) press the right arrow to move to "Current application (Excel)

6) Press Enter.

That creates the profile and now any change you make to NVDA's settings while in Excel will be saved in this profile rather than the "normal" profile.

Regards

Quentin.
On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 9:48 AM Sam Taylor via groups.io <samtaylor9=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
Thank you, Tyler. No, it wasn't, and this is precisely what I needed to do. I have this off for usual activity, and clearly I'm going to have to set up a trigger. If this isn't mentioned in the documentation along with the need for enabling row/column headers which I did know about, it may be worth including.

Thanks again.

Sam

On 14/07/2020 9:31 am, Tyler Spivey wrote:
Is Tables checked in NVDA, Preferences, Settings, Document Formatting?
If not, check it.

On 7/13/2020 3:46 PM, Sam Taylor via groups.io wrote:
Thanks Cearbhall,

I have constructed a test workbook without any blank lines. Still I
cannot get NVDA to read the coordinates as it should. I have tested with
NVDA 2019 and 2017 with the same result, so I am beginning to wonder
whether there is some type of setting in Excel itself which is causing
this to happen.

Thanks

Sam


On 13/07/2020 11:00 pm, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:
Sam,

 

Have you any blank columns separating blocks of columns. If so, you
would need to set the column headings on the first cell in the heading
row of each block to make NVDA call out the column headings for that
block.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Sam
Taylor via groups.io
*Sent:* Monday, July 13, 2020 11:08 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Automatic Column and Row Header Reading

 

Yep, I did that also, but still nothing appears to change. I followed
the example in the Excel with NVDA study material.

 

 

On 13/07/2020 6:00 pm, Quentin Christensen wrote:

    You need to tell NVDA where the headers are for it to read them. 
    Press NVDA+shift+c to set column headers and NVDA+shift+r to set
    row headers.  Note that you need to be in the first cell you want
    headers read.

     

    Quentin

     

    On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 5:30 PM Sam Taylor via groups.io
    <http://groups.io> <samtaylor9@...
    <mailto:me.com@groups.io>> wrote:

        Hi all,

        11.2.1 of the NVDA user guide mentions that NVDA is able to
        automatically announce appropriate row and column headers when
        navigating around Excel worksheets.

        I used to be able to achieve this but it doesn't appear to
        work for me any more, and indeed as of NVDA 2019.3.

        The cell coordinates just appear to read as usual, rather than
        reading any additional cell references.

        I have enabled the Report Table row / column headers option in
        NVDA's Document Formatting settings.

        y duCan anybodyplicate or suggest anything? This is highly
        likely to be user error.

        Cheers

        Sam

         


     

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Re: Automatic Column and Row Header Reading

Quentin Christensen

#75504

Good pickup, yes you need to have NVDA set to report "tables", as well as column and row headers in NVDA's document formatting for this to work. It's not well documented so I will ensure this is updated and noted in the User Guiide and Excel module.

If you otherwise prefer to have reporting of tables off, you can setup a configuration profile for Excel which has this setting enabled:

1) Open Excel

2) Press NVDA+control+p to open the configuration profiles dialog

3) press alt+n to create a new profile

4) Leave the name and press tab once to "use this profile for".

5) press the right arrow to move to "Current application (Excel)

6) Press Enter.

That creates the profile and now any change you make to NVDA's settings while in Excel will be saved in this profile rather than the "normal" profile.

Regards

Quentin.

Show quoted text

On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 9:48 AM Sam Taylor via groups.io <samtaylor9=me.com@groups.io> wrote:

Thank you, Tyler. No, it wasn't, and this is precisely what I needed to do. I have this off for usual activity, and clearly I'm going to have to set up a trigger. If this isn't mentioned in the documentation along with the need for enabling row/column headers which I did know about, it may be worth including.

Thanks again.

Sam

On 14/07/2020 9:31 am, Tyler Spivey wrote:

Is Tables checked in NVDA, Preferences, Settings, Document Formatting?
If not, check it.

On 7/13/2020 3:46 PM, Sam Taylor via groups.io wrote:

Thanks Cearbhall,

I have constructed a test workbook without any blank lines. Still I
cannot get NVDA to read the coordinates as it should. I have tested with
NVDA 2019 and 2017 with the same result, so I am beginning to wonder
whether there is some type of setting in Excel itself which is causing
this to happen.

Thanks

Sam


On 13/07/2020 11:00 pm, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:

Sam,

 

Have you any blank columns separating blocks of columns. If so, you
would need to set the column headings on the first cell in the heading
row of each block to make NVDA call out the column headings for that
block.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Sam
Taylor via groups.io
*Sent:* Monday, July 13, 2020 11:08 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Automatic Column and Row Header Reading

 

Yep, I did that also, but still nothing appears to change. I followed
the example in the Excel with NVDA study material.

 

 

On 13/07/2020 6:00 pm, Quentin Christensen wrote:

    You need to tell NVDA where the headers are for it to read them. 
    Press NVDA+shift+c to set column headers and NVDA+shift+r to set
    row headers.  Note that you need to be in the first cell you want
    headers read.

     

    Quentin

     

    On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 5:30 PM Sam Taylor via groups.io
    <http://groups.io> <samtaylor9@...
    <mailto:me.com@groups.io>> wrote:

        Hi all,

        11.2.1 of the NVDA user guide mentions that NVDA is able to
        automatically announce appropriate row and column headers when
        navigating around Excel worksheets.

        I used to be able to achieve this but it doesn't appear to
        work for me any more, and indeed as of NVDA 2019.3.

        The cell coordinates just appear to read as usual, rather than
        reading any additional cell references.

        I have enabled the Report Table row / column headers option in
        NVDA's Document Formatting settings.

        y duCan anybodyplicate or suggest anything? This is highly
        likely to be user error.

        Cheers

        Sam

         


     

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Re: Automatic Column and Row Header Reading

Sam Taylor

#75503

Thank you, Tyler. No, it wasn't, and this is precisely what I needed to do. I have this off for usual activity, and clearly I'm going to have to set up a trigger. If this isn't mentioned in the documentation along with the need for enabling row/column headers which I did know about, it may be worth including.

Thanks again.

Sam

Show quoted text

On 14/07/2020 9:31 am, Tyler Spivey wrote:

Is Tables checked in NVDA, Preferences, Settings, Document Formatting?
If not, check it.

On 7/13/2020 3:46 PM, Sam Taylor via groups.io wrote:

Thanks Cearbhall,

I have constructed a test workbook without any blank lines. Still I
cannot get NVDA to read the coordinates as it should. I have tested with
NVDA 2019 and 2017 with the same result, so I am beginning to wonder
whether there is some type of setting in Excel itself which is causing
this to happen.

Thanks

Sam


On 13/07/2020 11:00 pm, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:

Sam,

 

Have you any blank columns separating blocks of columns. If so, you
would need to set the column headings on the first cell in the heading
row of each block to make NVDA call out the column headings for that
block.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Sam
Taylor via groups.io
*Sent:* Monday, July 13, 2020 11:08 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Automatic Column and Row Header Reading

 

Yep, I did that also, but still nothing appears to change. I followed
the example in the Excel with NVDA study material.

 

 

On 13/07/2020 6:00 pm, Quentin Christensen wrote:

    You need to tell NVDA where the headers are for it to read them. 
    Press NVDA+shift+c to set column headers and NVDA+shift+r to set
    row headers.  Note that you need to be in the first cell you want
    headers read.

     

    Quentin

     

    On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 5:30 PM Sam Taylor via groups.io
    <http://groups.io> <samtaylor9@...
    <mailto:me.com@groups.io>> wrote:

        Hi all,

        11.2.1 of the NVDA user guide mentions that NVDA is able to
        automatically announce appropriate row and column headers when
        navigating around Excel worksheets.

        I used to be able to achieve this but it doesn't appear to
        work for me any more, and indeed as of NVDA 2019.3.

        The cell coordinates just appear to read as usual, rather than
        reading any additional cell references.

        I have enabled the Report Table row / column headers option in
        NVDA's Document Formatting settings.

        y duCan anybodyplicate or suggest anything? This is highly
        likely to be user error.

        Cheers

        Sam

         


     

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    Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

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Re: Automatic Column and Row Header Reading

Tyler Spivey

#75502

Is Tables checked in NVDA, Preferences, Settings, Document Formatting?
If not, check it.

Show quoted text

On 7/13/2020 3:46 PM, Sam Taylor via groups.io wrote:
Thanks Cearbhall,

I have constructed a test workbook without any blank lines. Still I
cannot get NVDA to read the coordinates as it should. I have tested with
NVDA 2019 and 2017 with the same result, so I am beginning to wonder
whether there is some type of setting in Excel itself which is causing
this to happen.

Thanks

Sam

On 13/07/2020 11:00 pm, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:

Sam,

Have you any blank columns separating blocks of columns. If so, you
would need to set the column headings on the first cell in the heading
row of each block to make NVDA call out the column headings for that
block.

All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Sam
Taylor via groups.io
*Sent:* Monday, July 13, 2020 11:08 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Automatic Column and Row Header Reading

Yep, I did that also, but still nothing appears to change. I followed
the example in the Excel with NVDA study material.

On 13/07/2020 6:00 pm, Quentin Christensen wrote:

    You need to tell NVDA where the headers are for it to read them. 
    Press NVDA+shift+c to set column headers and NVDA+shift+r to set
    row headers.  Note that you need to be in the first cell you want
    headers read.

    Quentin

    On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 5:30 PM Sam Taylor via groups.io
    <http://groups.io>; <samtaylor9=me.com@groups.io
    <mailto:me.com@groups.io>> wrote:

        Hi all,

        11.2.1 of the NVDA user guide mentions that NVDA is able to
        automatically announce appropriate row and column headers when
        navigating around Excel worksheets.

        I used to be able to achieve this but it doesn't appear to
        work for me any more, and indeed as of NVDA 2019.3.

        The cell coordinates just appear to read as usual, rather than
        reading any additional cell references.

        I have enabled the Report Table row / column headers option in
        NVDA's Document Formatting settings.

        y duCan anybodyplicate or suggest anything? This is highly
        likely to be user error.

        Cheers

        Sam

    -- 

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    Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

    Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

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Re: Automatic Column and Row Header Reading

Brian Vogel

#75501

Sam,

Have you tried setting a heading row (for the columns beneath it) and/or a heading column (for the row to the right of it) in Excel itself? I have found that this tends to work, and across screen readers, better than doing said definition via the screen reader itself.

This can be done whether or not one is using an actual table in a spreadsheet or not.

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Re: Automatic Column and Row Header Reading

Sam Taylor

#75500

Thanks Cearbhall,

I have constructed a test workbook without any blank lines. Still I cannot get NVDA to read the coordinates as it should. I have tested with NVDA 2019 and 2017 with the same result, so I am beginning to wonder whether there is some type of setting in Excel itself which is causing this to happen.

Thanks

Sam

Show quoted text

On 13/07/2020 11:00 pm, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:

Sam,

Have you any blank columns separating blocks of columns. If so, you would need to set the column headings on the first cell in the heading row of each block to make NVDA call out the column headings for that block.

All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Taylor via groups.io
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 11:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Automatic Column and Row Header Reading

Yep, I did that also, but still nothing appears to change. I followed the example in the Excel with NVDA study material.

On 13/07/2020 6:00 pm, Quentin Christensen wrote:

You need to tell NVDA where the headers are for it to read them. Press NVDA+shift+c to set column headers and NVDA+shift+r to set row headers. Note that you need to be in the first cell you want headers read.

Quentin

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 5:30 PM Sam Taylor via groups.io <samtaylor9=me.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi all,

11.2.1 of the NVDA user guide mentions that NVDA is able to automatically announce appropriate row and column headers when navigating around Excel worksheets.

I used to be able to achieve this but it doesn't appear to work for me any more, and indeed as of NVDA 2019.3.

The cell coordinates just appear to read as usual, rather than reading any additional cell references.

I have enabled the Report Table row / column headers option in NVDA's Document Formatting settings.

y duCan anybodyplicate or suggest anything? This is highly likely to be user error.

Cheers

Sam

--

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Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org

Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

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Re: nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when pressing first letter

Gene

#75499

Object review is the default.  You should still be on it.  I doubt being in object review will help your problem, but if you are in it and use read current line, the location will be read correctly.

If you are using the desktop layout, issue the command NVDA key numpad 1. If you hear no previous review mode, you are in object navigation.  If you don't know, numpad 1 is the farthest key to the left on the numpad on the row above the numpad NVDA key.

Gene

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-----Original Message----- 
From: Fresh Start
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 4:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when pressing first letter

Sorry to sound silly, but how do I change between object and screen review.
I haven't made any changes from the default.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 4:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
   Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when
pressing first letter

Did you try reading current line after moving?  You may get a solution to
the problem but if it works, you can move as you wish whether the problem is
solved or not.

Also,, and I doubt this will help but you never know, make sure you are in
object review, not screen review.  You should be in object review whether
you use read current line or move without using it.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Fresh Start
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 4:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when
pressing first letter

Hi everyone, I did disable the one addon, clipspeak most current version.
There isn't any change concerning first letter navigation on the desktop or
in a list of files.
Speech other than that is working fine.  But it would be nice to move by the
first letter navigation.  So if anyone has any ideas how to get it back I
would appreciate them.  I have NVDA  on two three computers and all works
fine. Thanks for responding to my questions.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 3:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when
pressing first letter

Hi,
I suspect NVDA is not being notified about selection changes, sometimes
caused by an add-on or a setting interfering with what NVDA is supposed to
do. To test, try restarting with all add-ons disabled, and if that solves
the issue, we can move onto isolating individual add-ons.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 1:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when
pressing first letter

The original message doesn't say there is no speech.  It gives one specific
condition where there is no speech, when you use first letter navigation in
a list.  Since there is speech, the possible solutions don't apply.

I have no reason why no speech occurs at that one specific time.  Using read
current line should easily solve the problem and the command takes almost no
time to execute.  It may be possible to find the reason by examining the log
but there are some problems that are so minor and so easily worked around
that they aren't worth solving, though you may, if you wish to, pursue it,
of course.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 2:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when
pressing first letter

Hi

I am sure you would of checked the following on the computer.

One that his speakers are plugged into the right whole and turned on.

On the computer the sound is not muted.

Press the windows key + letter R to bring up the run dialogue then type in
sndvol then press the enter key.

The next screen that comes up will have the master volume make sure it is
right up so you can hear it and not down on zero.

There is a box under it if checked it will mute the sound so make sure it is

un checked.

If you can see nvda is running but not talking under that section I think
there is a slider to make it louder there.

Also check when nvda is running that under the synth settings in nvda you
press the nvda key + ctrl key + the letter S to bring it up.

Make sure under the synth section that it has a synth there and not set to
no speech if it is set to that change it to e speak or another synth
package.

Gene nz

On 13/07/2020 2:25 am, Fresh Start wrote:

Hi All, I am using NVDA 20.1 on a client's windows ten pro laptop. When on
the desktop or in a list of programs or files, NVDA doesn't speak the name
of a program or file when pressing it's first letter.  However, the cursor
does go to the location.  I know this by arrowing up and then down.  I tried

maximizing but didn't cause any change in behavior.  Any ideas to resolve
the problem?  Thanks in advance.

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Re: nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when pressing first letter

Joseph Lee

#75498

Hi,

Do the following as exactly as I tell you:

Press NVDA key and Q to open Exit NVDA dialog.
From Exit NVDA dialog, select “restart with debug logging enabled” and press Enter.
Use NVDA as you would, including from files and folders list.
After the problem is reproduced, press NVDA key and F1, copy everything, and paste it as a private email to me (private email is required to protect privacy and to comply with debug log data policy on this forum). After I get the log and do some work, I’ll come back here and let folks know what might be happening.

Cheers,

Joseph

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Fresh Start
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 2:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when pressing first letter

Yes it still did so I should send a log. Please explain how to do that please.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 4:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when pressing first letter

Did you restart with all add ons disabled per someone's instructions and see if it happens then? If it does, send a log to the nvda support folks.

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On 13 Jul 2020, at 14:13, Fresh Start wrote:

Hi everyone, I did disable the one addon, clipspeak most current version.
There isn't any change concerning first letter navigation on the desktop or
in a list of files.
Speech other than that is working fine. But it would be nice to move by the
first letter navigation. So if anyone has any ideas how to get it back I
would appreciate them. I have NVDA on two three computers and all works
fine. Thanks for responding to my questions.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 3:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when
pressing first letter
Hi,
I suspect NVDA is not being notified about selection changes, sometimes
caused by an add-on or a setting interfering with what NVDA is supposed to
do. To test, try restarting with all add-ons disabled, and if that solves
the issue, we can move onto isolating individual add-ons.
Cheers,
Joseph
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 1:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when
pressing first letter
The original message doesn't say there is no speech. It gives one specific
condition where there is no speech, when you use first letter navigation in
a list. Since there is speech, the possible solutions don't apply.
I have no reason why no speech occurs at that one specific time. Using read
current line should easily solve the problem and the command takes almost no
time to execute. It may be possible to find the reason by examining the log
but there are some problems that are so minor and so easily worked around
that they aren't worth solving, though you may, if you wish to, pursue it,
of course.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 2:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when
pressing first letter
Hi
I am sure you would of checked the following on the computer.
One that his speakers are plugged into the right whole and turned on.
On the computer the sound is not muted.
Press the windows key + letter R to bring up the run dialogue then type in
sndvol then press the enter key.
The next screen that comes up will have the master volume make sure it is
right up so you can hear it and not down on zero.
There is a box under it if checked it will mute the sound so make sure it is
un checked.
If you can see nvda is running but not talking under that section I think
there is a slider to make it louder there.
Also check when nvda is running that under the synth settings in nvda you
press the nvda key + ctrl key + the letter S to bring it up.
Make sure under the synth section that it has a synth there and not set to
no speech if it is set to that change it to e speak or another synth
package.
Gene nz
On 13/07/2020 2:25 am, Fresh Start wrote:
Hi All, I am using NVDA 20.1 on a client's windows ten pro laptop. When on
the desktop or in a list of programs or files, NVDA doesn't speak the name
of a program or file when pressing it's first letter. However, the cursor
does go to the location. I know this by arrowing up and then down. I tried
maximizing but didn't cause any change in behavior. Any ideas to resolve
the problem? Thanks in advance.
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Re: nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when pressing first letter

Joseph Lee

#75497

Hi,
Don't worry about object and screen review modes for now because it isn't
related to this issue (for those wondering: review modes are reset when NVDA
restarts, so this has nothing to do with this issue).
Cheers,
Joseph

Show quoted text

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Fresh Start
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 2:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when
pressing first letter

Sorry to sound silly, but how do I change between object and screen review.
I haven't made any changes from the default.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 4:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when
pressing first letter

Did you try reading current line after moving?  You may get a solution to
the problem but if it works, you can move as you wish whether the problem is
solved or not.

Also,, and I doubt this will help but you never know, make sure you are in
object review, not screen review.  You should be in object review whether
you use read current line or move without using it.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Fresh Start
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 4:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when
pressing first letter

Hi everyone, I did disable the one addon, clipspeak most current version.
There isn't any change concerning first letter navigation on the desktop or
in a list of files.
Speech other than that is working fine.  But it would be nice to move by the
first letter navigation.  So if anyone has any ideas how to get it back I
would appreciate them.  I have NVDA  on two three computers and all works
fine. Thanks for responding to my questions.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 3:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when
pressing first letter

Hi,
I suspect NVDA is not being notified about selection changes, sometimes
caused by an add-on or a setting interfering with what NVDA is supposed to
do. To test, try restarting with all add-ons disabled, and if that solves
the issue, we can move onto isolating individual add-ons.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 1:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when
pressing first letter

The original message doesn't say there is no speech.  It gives one specific
condition where there is no speech, when you use first letter navigation in
a list.  Since there is speech, the possible solutions don't apply.

I have no reason why no speech occurs at that one specific time.  Using read
current line should easily solve the problem and the command takes almost no
time to execute.  It may be possible to find the reason by examining the log
but there are some problems that are so minor and so easily worked around
that they aren't worth solving, though you may, if you wish to, pursue it,
of course.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 2:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when
pressing first letter

Hi

I am sure you would of checked the following on the computer.

One that his speakers are plugged into the right whole and turned on.

On the computer the sound is not muted.

Press the windows key + letter R to bring up the run dialogue then type in
sndvol then press the enter key.

The next screen that comes up will have the master volume make sure it is
right up so you can hear it and not down on zero.

There is a box under it if checked it will mute the sound so make sure it is

un checked.

If you can see nvda is running but not talking under that section I think
there is a slider to make it louder there.

Also check when nvda is running that under the synth settings in nvda you
press the nvda key + ctrl key + the letter S to bring it up.

Make sure under the synth section that it has a synth there and not set to
no speech if it is set to that change it to e speak or another synth
package.

Gene nz

On 13/07/2020 2:25 am, Fresh Start wrote:

Hi All, I am using NVDA 20.1 on a client's windows ten pro laptop. When on
the desktop or in a list of programs or files, NVDA doesn't speak the name
of a program or file when pressing it's first letter.  However, the cursor
does go to the location.  I know this by arrowing up and then down.  I tried

maximizing but didn't cause any change in behavior.  Any ideas to resolve
the problem?  Thanks in advance.

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Re: nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when pressing first letter

hurrikennyandopo ...

#75496

Hi

Out of curiosity do you have your computer connected to a tv via a hdmi cable? or is it computer to monitor or a lap top.

I have a pc connected to a tv via hdmi from the pc and it done weird stuff like you said.

It would do some thing weird like that and might only say the first letter not the word on the pc some stuff it would speak correctly and others not.

I think for it to work correctly I have to update the drivers for the hdmi audio or what ever it is called.

It seemed laggy to at present I have not updated it so do not know if it would fix it.

But I went back and done it from the speaker out on the pc to speakers and it worked properly.

I thought it might of been a sound driver problem which I think it was wither either the tv causing it which I would most probably have to update on the pc.

if it is not connected to a tv like I mentioned then you could cross this one off 2.

gene nz

Show quoted text

On 14/07/2020 9:13 am, Fresh Start wrote:
Hi everyone, I did disable the one addon, clipspeak most current version.
There isn't any change concerning first letter navigation on the desktop or
in a list of files.
Speech other than that is working fine.  But it would be nice to move by the
first letter navigation.  So if anyone has any ideas how to get it back I
would appreciate them.  I have NVDA  on two three computers and all works
fine. Thanks for responding to my questions.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 3:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when
pressing first letter

Hi,
I suspect NVDA is not being notified about selection changes, sometimes
caused by an add-on or a setting interfering with what NVDA is supposed to
do. To test, try restarting with all add-ons disabled, and if that solves
the issue, we can move onto isolating individual add-ons.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 1:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when
pressing first letter

The original message doesn't say there is no speech.  It gives one specific
condition where there is no speech, when you use first letter navigation in
a list.  Since there is speech, the possible solutions don't apply.

I have no reason why no speech occurs at that one specific time.  Using read
current line should easily solve the problem and the command takes almost no
time to execute.  It may be possible to find the reason by examining the log
but there are some problems that are so minor and so easily worked around
that they aren't worth solving, though you may, if you wish to, pursue it,
of course.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 2:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when
pressing first letter

Hi

I am sure you would of checked the following on the computer.

One that his speakers are plugged into the right whole and turned on.

On the computer the sound is not muted.

Press the windows key + letter R to bring up the run dialogue then type in
sndvol then press the enter key.

The next screen that comes up will have the master volume make sure it is
right up so you can hear it and not down on zero.

There is a box under it if checked it will mute the sound so make sure it is

un checked.

If you can see nvda is running but not talking under that section I think
there is a slider to make it louder there.

Also check when nvda is running that under the synth settings in nvda you
press the nvda key + ctrl key + the letter S to bring it up.

Make sure under the synth section that it has a synth there and not set to
no speech if it is set to that change it to e speak or another synth
package.

Gene nz

On 13/07/2020 2:25 am, Fresh Start wrote:

Hi All, I am using NVDA 20.1 on a client's windows ten pro laptop. When on
the desktop or in a list of programs or files, NVDA doesn't speak the name
of a program or file when pressing it's first letter.  However, the cursor
does go to the location.  I know this by arrowing up and then down.  I tried

maximizing but didn't cause any change in behavior.  Any ideas to resolve
the problem?  Thanks in advance.

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Re: nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when pressing first letter

Fresh Start

#75495

Yes it still did so I should send a log. Please explain how to do that please.

Show quoted text

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 4:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when pressing first letter

Did you restart with all add ons disabled per someone's instructions and see if it happens then? If it does, send a log to the nvda support folks.

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On 13 Jul 2020, at 14:13, Fresh Start wrote:

Hi everyone, I did disable the one addon, clipspeak most current version.
There isn't any change concerning first letter navigation on the desktop or
in a list of files.
Speech other than that is working fine. But it would be nice to move by the
first letter navigation. So if anyone has any ideas how to get it back I
would appreciate them. I have NVDA on two three computers and all works
fine. Thanks for responding to my questions.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 3:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when
pressing first letter
Hi,
I suspect NVDA is not being notified about selection changes, sometimes
caused by an add-on or a setting interfering with what NVDA is supposed to
do. To test, try restarting with all add-ons disabled, and if that solves
the issue, we can move onto isolating individual add-ons.
Cheers,
Joseph
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 1:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when
pressing first letter
The original message doesn't say there is no speech. It gives one specific
condition where there is no speech, when you use first letter navigation in
a list. Since there is speech, the possible solutions don't apply.
I have no reason why no speech occurs at that one specific time. Using read
current line should easily solve the problem and the command takes almost no
time to execute. It may be possible to find the reason by examining the log
but there are some problems that are so minor and so easily worked around
that they aren't worth solving, though you may, if you wish to, pursue it,
of course.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 2:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when
pressing first letter
Hi
I am sure you would of checked the following on the computer.
One that his speakers are plugged into the right whole and turned on.
On the computer the sound is not muted.
Press the windows key + letter R to bring up the run dialogue then type in
sndvol then press the enter key.
The next screen that comes up will have the master volume make sure it is
right up so you can hear it and not down on zero.
There is a box under it if checked it will mute the sound so make sure it is
un checked.
If you can see nvda is running but not talking under that section I think
there is a slider to make it louder there.
Also check when nvda is running that under the synth settings in nvda you
press the nvda key + ctrl key + the letter S to bring it up.
Make sure under the synth section that it has a synth there and not set to
no speech if it is set to that change it to e speak or another synth
package.
Gene nz
On 13/07/2020 2:25 am, Fresh Start wrote:
Hi All, I am using NVDA 20.1 on a client's windows ten pro laptop. When on
the desktop or in a list of programs or files, NVDA doesn't speak the name
of a program or file when pressing it's first letter. However, the cursor
does go to the location. I know this by arrowing up and then down. I tried
maximizing but didn't cause any change in behavior. Any ideas to resolve
the problem? Thanks in advance.
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Re: nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when pressing first letter

Joseph Lee

#75494

Hi,
Typo: off. Also, I don't think changing review modes would help, as this is
tied to focus movement and item selection.
Cheers,
Joseph

Show quoted text

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via
groups.io
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 2:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when
pressing first letter

Hi,
Do you have any other add-ons besides this one? If yes, try restarting NVDA
with all add-ons ff (NVDA+Q, then select "restart with add-ons disabled").
Cheers,
Josepj

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Fresh Start
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 2:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when
pressing first letter

Hi everyone, I did disable the one addon, clipspeak most current version.
There isn't any change concerning first letter navigation on the desktop or
in a list of files.
Speech other than that is working fine.  But it would be nice to move by the
first letter navigation.  So if anyone has any ideas how to get it back I
would appreciate them.  I have NVDA  on two three computers and all works
fine. Thanks for responding to my questions.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 3:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when
pressing first letter

Hi,
I suspect NVDA is not being notified about selection changes, sometimes
caused by an add-on or a setting interfering with what NVDA is supposed to
do. To test, try restarting with all add-ons disabled, and if that solves
the issue, we can move onto isolating individual add-ons.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 1:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when
pressing first letter

The original message doesn't say there is no speech.  It gives one specific
condition where there is no speech, when you use first letter navigation in
a list.  Since there is speech, the possible solutions don't apply.

I have no reason why no speech occurs at that one specific time.  Using read
current line should easily solve the problem and the command takes almost no
time to execute.  It may be possible to find the reason by examining the log
but there are some problems that are so minor and so easily worked around
that they aren't worth solving, though you may, if you wish to, pursue it,
of course.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 2:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when
pressing first letter

Hi

I am sure you would of checked the following on the computer.

One that his speakers are plugged into the right whole and turned on.

On the computer the sound is not muted.

Press the windows key + letter R to bring up the run dialogue then type in
sndvol then press the enter key.

The next screen that comes up will have the master volume make sure it is
right up so you can hear it and not down on zero.

There is a box under it if checked it will mute the sound so make sure it is

un checked.

If you can see nvda is running but not talking under that section I think
there is a slider to make it louder there.

Also check when nvda is running that under the synth settings in nvda you 
press the nvda key + ctrl key + the letter S to bring it up.

Make sure under the synth section that it has a synth there and not set to 
no speech if it is set to that change it to e speak or another synth 
package.

Gene nz

On 13/07/2020 2:25 am, Fresh Start wrote:

Hi All, I am using NVDA 20.1 on a client's windows ten pro laptop. When on 
the desktop or in a list of programs or files, NVDA doesn't speak the name 
of a program or file when pressing it's first letter.  However, the cursor 
does go to the location.  I know this by arrowing up and then down.  I tried

maximizing but didn't cause any change in behavior.  Any ideas to resolve 
the problem?  Thanks in advance.

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Re: nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when pressing first letter

Fresh Start

#75493

Sorry to sound silly, but how do I change between object and screen review.
I haven't made any changes from the default.

Show quoted text

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 4:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when
pressing first letter

Did you try reading current line after moving?  You may get a solution to
the problem but if it works, you can move as you wish whether the problem is
solved or not.

Also,, and I doubt this will help but you never know, make sure you are in
object review, not screen review.  You should be in object review whether
you use read current line or move without using it.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Fresh Start
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 4:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when
pressing first letter

Hi everyone, I did disable the one addon, clipspeak most current version.
There isn't any change concerning first letter navigation on the desktop or
in a list of files.
Speech other than that is working fine.  But it would be nice to move by the
first letter navigation.  So if anyone has any ideas how to get it back I
would appreciate them.  I have NVDA  on two three computers and all works
fine. Thanks for responding to my questions.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 3:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when
pressing first letter

Hi,
I suspect NVDA is not being notified about selection changes, sometimes
caused by an add-on or a setting interfering with what NVDA is supposed to
do. To test, try restarting with all add-ons disabled, and if that solves
the issue, we can move onto isolating individual add-ons.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 1:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when
pressing first letter

The original message doesn't say there is no speech.  It gives one specific
condition where there is no speech, when you use first letter navigation in
a list.  Since there is speech, the possible solutions don't apply.

I have no reason why no speech occurs at that one specific time.  Using read
current line should easily solve the problem and the command takes almost no
time to execute.  It may be possible to find the reason by examining the log
but there are some problems that are so minor and so easily worked around
that they aren't worth solving, though you may, if you wish to, pursue it,
of course.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 2:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when
pressing first letter

Hi

I am sure you would of checked the following on the computer.

One that his speakers are plugged into the right whole and turned on.

On the computer the sound is not muted.

Press the windows key + letter R to bring up the run dialogue then type in
sndvol then press the enter key.

The next screen that comes up will have the master volume make sure it is
right up so you can hear it and not down on zero.

There is a box under it if checked it will mute the sound so make sure it is

un checked.

If you can see nvda is running but not talking under that section I think
there is a slider to make it louder there.

Also check when nvda is running that under the synth settings in nvda you
press the nvda key + ctrl key + the letter S to bring it up.

Make sure under the synth section that it has a synth there and not set to
no speech if it is set to that change it to e speak or another synth
package.

Gene nz

On 13/07/2020 2:25 am, Fresh Start wrote:

Hi All, I am using NVDA 20.1 on a client's windows ten pro laptop. When on
the desktop or in a list of programs or files, NVDA doesn't speak the name
of a program or file when pressing it's first letter.  However, the cursor
does go to the location.  I know this by arrowing up and then down.  I tried

maximizing but didn't cause any change in behavior.  Any ideas to resolve
the problem?  Thanks in advance.

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paths straight."

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Re: nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when pressing first letter

Joseph Lee

#75492

Hi,
Do you have any other add-ons besides this one? If yes, try restarting NVDA
with all add-ons ff (NVDA+Q, then select "restart with add-ons disabled").
Cheers,
Josepj

Show quoted text

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Fresh Start
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 2:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when
pressing first letter

Hi everyone, I did disable the one addon, clipspeak most current version.
There isn't any change concerning first letter navigation on the desktop or
in a list of files.
Speech other than that is working fine.  But it would be nice to move by the
first letter navigation.  So if anyone has any ideas how to get it back I
would appreciate them.  I have NVDA  on two three computers and all works
fine. Thanks for responding to my questions.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 3:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when
pressing first letter

Hi,
I suspect NVDA is not being notified about selection changes, sometimes
caused by an add-on or a setting interfering with what NVDA is supposed to
do. To test, try restarting with all add-ons disabled, and if that solves
the issue, we can move onto isolating individual add-ons.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 1:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when
pressing first letter

The original message doesn't say there is no speech.  It gives one specific
condition where there is no speech, when you use first letter navigation in
a list.  Since there is speech, the possible solutions don't apply.

I have no reason why no speech occurs at that one specific time.  Using read
current line should easily solve the problem and the command takes almost no
time to execute.  It may be possible to find the reason by examining the log
but there are some problems that are so minor and so easily worked around
that they aren't worth solving, though you may, if you wish to, pursue it,
of course.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 2:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when
pressing first letter

Hi

I am sure you would of checked the following on the computer.

One that his speakers are plugged into the right whole and turned on.

On the computer the sound is not muted.

Press the windows key + letter R to bring up the run dialogue then type in
sndvol then press the enter key.

The next screen that comes up will have the master volume make sure it is
right up so you can hear it and not down on zero.

There is a box under it if checked it will mute the sound so make sure it is

un checked.

If you can see nvda is running but not talking under that section I think 
there is a slider to make it louder there.

Also check when nvda is running that under the synth settings in nvda you 
press the nvda key + ctrl key + the letter S to bring it up.

Make sure under the synth section that it has a synth there and not set to 
no speech if it is set to that change it to e speak or another synth 
package.

Gene nz

On 13/07/2020 2:25 am, Fresh Start wrote:

Hi All, I am using NVDA 20.1 on a client's windows ten pro laptop. When on 
the desktop or in a list of programs or files, NVDA doesn't speak the name 
of a program or file when pressing it's first letter.  However, the cursor 
does go to the location.  I know this by arrowing up and then down.  I tried

maximizing but didn't cause any change in behavior.  Any ideas to resolve 
the problem?  Thanks in advance.

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Re: nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when pressing first letter

Gene

#75491

Did you try reading current line after moving?  You may get a solution to the problem but if it works, you can move as you wish whether the problem is solved or not.

Also,, and I doubt this will help but you never know, make sure you are in object review, not screen review.  You should be in object review whether you use read current line or move without using it.

Gene

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-----Original Message----- 
From: Fresh Start
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 4:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when pressing first letter

Hi everyone, I did disable the one addon, clipspeak most current version.
There isn't any change concerning first letter navigation on the desktop or
in a list of files.
Speech other than that is working fine.  But it would be nice to move by the
first letter navigation.  So if anyone has any ideas how to get it back I
would appreciate them.  I have NVDA  on two three computers and all works
fine. Thanks for responding to my questions.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 3:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when
pressing first letter

Hi,
I suspect NVDA is not being notified about selection changes, sometimes
caused by an add-on or a setting interfering with what NVDA is supposed to
do. To test, try restarting with all add-ons disabled, and if that solves
the issue, we can move onto isolating individual add-ons.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 1:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when
pressing first letter

The original message doesn't say there is no speech.  It gives one specific
condition where there is no speech, when you use first letter navigation in
a list.  Since there is speech, the possible solutions don't apply.

I have no reason why no speech occurs at that one specific time.  Using read
current line should easily solve the problem and the command takes almost no
time to execute.  It may be possible to find the reason by examining the log
but there are some problems that are so minor and so easily worked around
that they aren't worth solving, though you may, if you wish to, pursue it,
of course.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 2:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when
pressing first letter

Hi

I am sure you would of checked the following on the computer.

One that his speakers are plugged into the right whole and turned on.

On the computer the sound is not muted.

Press the windows key + letter R to bring up the run dialogue then type in
sndvol then press the enter key.

The next screen that comes up will have the master volume make sure it is
right up so you can hear it and not down on zero.

There is a box under it if checked it will mute the sound so make sure it is

un checked.

If you can see nvda is running but not talking under that section I think
there is a slider to make it louder there.

Also check when nvda is running that under the synth settings in nvda you
press the nvda key + ctrl key + the letter S to bring it up.

Make sure under the synth section that it has a synth there and not set to
no speech if it is set to that change it to e speak or another synth
package.

Gene nz

On 13/07/2020 2:25 am, Fresh Start wrote:

Hi All, I am using NVDA 20.1 on a client's windows ten pro laptop. When on
the desktop or in a list of programs or files, NVDA doesn't speak the name
of a program or file when pressing it's first letter.  However, the cursor
does go to the location.  I know this by arrowing up and then down.  I tried

maximizing but didn't cause any change in behavior.  Any ideas to resolve
the problem?  Thanks in advance.

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understanding.  In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He will make your
paths straight."

(Proverbs 3:5,6 NIV)

Re: nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when pressing first letter

Sarah k Alawami

#75490

Did you restart with all add ons disabled per someone's instructions and see if it happens then? If it does, send a log to the nvda support folks.

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On 13 Jul 2020, at 14:13, Fresh Start wrote:

Hi everyone, I did disable the one addon, clipspeak most current version.
There isn't any change concerning first letter navigation on the desktop or
in a list of files.
Speech other than that is working fine. But it would be nice to move by the
first letter navigation. So if anyone has any ideas how to get it back I
would appreciate them. I have NVDA on two three computers and all works
fine. Thanks for responding to my questions.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 3:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when
pressing first letter

Hi,
I suspect NVDA is not being notified about selection changes, sometimes
caused by an add-on or a setting interfering with what NVDA is supposed to
do. To test, try restarting with all add-ons disabled, and if that solves
the issue, we can move onto isolating individual add-ons.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 1:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when
pressing first letter

The original message doesn't say there is no speech. It gives one specific
condition where there is no speech, when you use first letter navigation in
a list. Since there is speech, the possible solutions don't apply.

I have no reason why no speech occurs at that one specific time. Using read
current line should easily solve the problem and the command takes almost no
time to execute. It may be possible to find the reason by examining the log
but there are some problems that are so minor and so easily worked around
that they aren't worth solving, though you may, if you wish to, pursue it,
of course.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 2:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when
pressing first letter

Hi

I am sure you would of checked the following on the computer.

One that his speakers are plugged into the right whole and turned on.

On the computer the sound is not muted.

Press the windows key + letter R to bring up the run dialogue then type in
sndvol then press the enter key.

The next screen that comes up will have the master volume make sure it is
right up so you can hear it and not down on zero.

There is a box under it if checked it will mute the sound so make sure it is

un checked.

If you can see nvda is running but not talking under that section I think
there is a slider to make it louder there.

Also check when nvda is running that under the synth settings in nvda you
press the nvda key + ctrl key + the letter S to bring it up.

Make sure under the synth section that it has a synth there and not set to
no speech if it is set to that change it to e speak or another synth
package.

Gene nz

On 13/07/2020 2:25 am, Fresh Start wrote:

Hi All, I am using NVDA 20.1 on a client's windows ten pro laptop. When on
the desktop or in a list of programs or files, NVDA doesn't speak the name
of a program or file when pressing it's first letter. However, the cursor
does go to the location. I know this by arrowing up and then down. I tried

maximizing but didn't cause any change in behavior. Any ideas to resolve
the problem? Thanks in advance.

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understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He will make your
paths straight."

(Proverbs 3:5,6 NIV)

Re: nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when pressing first letter

Fresh Start

#75489

Hi everyone, I did disable the one addon, clipspeak most current version.
There isn't any change concerning first letter navigation on the desktop or
in a list of files.
Speech other than that is working fine.  But it would be nice to move by the
first letter navigation.  So if anyone has any ideas how to get it back I
would appreciate them.  I have NVDA  on two three computers and all works
fine. Thanks for responding to my questions.

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 3:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when
pressing first letter

Hi,
I suspect NVDA is not being notified about selection changes, sometimes
caused by an add-on or a setting interfering with what NVDA is supposed to
do. To test, try restarting with all add-ons disabled, and if that solves
the issue, we can move onto isolating individual add-ons.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 1:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when
pressing first letter

The original message doesn't say there is no speech.  It gives one specific
condition where there is no speech, when you use first letter navigation in
a list.  Since there is speech, the possible solutions don't apply.

I have no reason why no speech occurs at that one specific time.  Using read
current line should easily solve the problem and the command takes almost no
time to execute.  It may be possible to find the reason by examining the log
but there are some problems that are so minor and so easily worked around
that they aren't worth solving, though you may, if you wish to, pursue it,
of course.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 2:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when
pressing first letter

Hi

I am sure you would of checked the following on the computer.

One that his speakers are plugged into the right whole and turned on.

On the computer the sound is not muted.

Press the windows key + letter R to bring up the run dialogue then type in
sndvol then press the enter key.

The next screen that comes up will have the master volume make sure it is 
right up so you can hear it and not down on zero.

There is a box under it if checked it will mute the sound so make sure it is

un checked.

If you can see nvda is running but not talking under that section I think 
there is a slider to make it louder there.

Also check when nvda is running that under the synth settings in nvda you 
press the nvda key + ctrl key + the letter S to bring it up.

Make sure under the synth section that it has a synth there and not set to 
no speech if it is set to that change it to e speak or another synth 
package.

Gene nz

On 13/07/2020 2:25 am, Fresh Start wrote:

Hi All, I am using NVDA 20.1 on a client's windows ten pro laptop. When on 
the desktop or in a list of programs or files, NVDA doesn't speak the name 
of a program or file when pressing it's first letter.  However, the cursor 
does go to the location.  I know this by arrowing up and then down.  I tried

maximizing but didn't cause any change in behavior.  Any ideas to resolve 
the problem?  Thanks in advance.

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understanding.  In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He will make your 
paths straight."

(Proverbs 3:5,6 NIV)

Re: looking for a free synthesiser

Sarah k Alawami

#75488

I'll email you off list with a link. All you need to do is download and install like any other add on.

Take care/

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Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

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On 13 Jul 2020, at 12:56, JM Casey wrote:

Hey Sarah.

This IBM TTS is a paid synth, yes? Somewhere I can actually hear a sample of its babble?

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: July 13, 2020 1:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] looking for a free synthesiser

Also google the IBM voice for NvDA. You need to find the DLL yourself , but there is an add on that ships with that. It sounds a lot like eloquence, and works quite well.
--
Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.
Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.
to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter
Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.
For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.
Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here
On 12 Jul 2020, at 17:29, Sky Mundell wrote:
Hello. First, Codefactory has a SAPI 5 version of Eloquence that you can get for a price. I don’t have the price on the top of my head, but if you google Eloquence for NVDA code factory Eloquence. Another add-on they have is the Eloquence and Vocaliser expressive add-on for NVDA which also Codefactory makes, and it contains Eloquence and Vocaliser in one add-on. But as for free voices, the only free voices that I know of are TruVoice, and the Microsoft Speech from 1999 with Mary, Mike, and Sam. A slight correction. I think you meant windows one core voices. If your' on windows 10, NVDA doesn’t use ESpeak as the default voice. Instead, you get the one core voices by default if your on windows 10.
I hope this helps. Thanks, Sky.
On Jul 12, 2020, at 5:15 PM, Ibrahim Ajayi kobisko@... wrote:
Hi good people:
I am in ee of a free synthesizer for NVDA.
Before now, I used the I used the auto language for eloquence. I
didn't know that that program was a cracked one, and it no longer
works with NVDA.
I am not comfortable with the default speech of NVDA which is ESpeak,
because I don't understand the speech, and it is even too low. I also
know of narrator, or Microsoft API5, but I am also not comfortable
with that too. That synthesizer is also too low.
So, are there any free other synshesisers that I can try out.
At the moment I am managing the 40-minute version of JAWS.
Regards.
I am Ibrahim.

Re: looking for a free synthesiser

Kevin Cussick

#75487

I use rh voice but it is in English.

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On 13/07/2020 02:33, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi
Which version of windows?
does it have to be in a certain language or is english ok.
Speech platform synth/voices might do the trick if before windows 10 I have not tried them on Windows 10.
There is also the speech hub program that will work on computers from 7 to 10 but only in english.
Gene nz
On 13/07/2020 12:15 pm, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:
Hi good people:
I am in ee of a free synthesizer for NVDA.

Before now, I used the I used the auto language for eloquence. I
didn't know that that program was a cracked one, and it no  longer
works with NVDA.
I am not comfortable with the default speech of NVDA which is ESpeak,
because I don't understand the speech, and it is even too low. I also
know of narrator, or Microsoft API5, but I am also not comfortable
with that too. That synthesizer is also too low.
So, are there any free other synshesisers that I can try out.
At the moment I am managing the 40-minute version of JAWS.
Regards.
I am Ibrahim.

Re: looking for a free synthesiser

JM Casey

#75486

Hey Sarah.

This IBM TTS is a paid synth, yes? Somewhere I can actually hear a sample of its babble?

Show quoted text

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: July 13, 2020 1:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] looking for a free synthesiser

Also google the IBM voice for NvDA. You need to find the DLL yourself , but there is an add on that ships with that. It sounds a lot like eloquence, and works quite well.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 12 Jul 2020, at 17:29, Sky Mundell wrote:

Hello. First, Codefactory has a SAPI 5 version of Eloquence that you can get for a price. I don’t have the price on the top of my head, but if you google Eloquence for NVDA code factory Eloquence. Another add-on they have is the Eloquence and Vocaliser expressive add-on for NVDA which also Codefactory makes, and it contains Eloquence and Vocaliser in one add-on. But as for free voices, the only free voices that I know of are TruVoice, and the Microsoft Speech from 1999 with Mary, Mike, and Sam. A slight correction. I think you meant windows one core voices. If your' on windows 10, NVDA doesn’t use ESpeak as the default voice. Instead, you get the one core voices by default if your on windows 10.
I hope this helps. Thanks, Sky.
On Jul 12, 2020, at 5:15 PM, Ibrahim Ajayi kobisko@... wrote:
Hi good people:
I am in ee of a free synthesizer for NVDA.
Before now, I used the I used the auto language for eloquence. I
didn't know that that program was a cracked one, and it no longer
works with NVDA.
I am not comfortable with the default speech of NVDA which is ESpeak,
because I don't understand the speech, and it is even too low. I also
know of narrator, or Microsoft API5, but I am also not comfortable
with that too. That synthesizer is also too low.
So, are there any free other synshesisers that I can try out.
At the moment I am managing the 40-minute version of JAWS.
Regards.
I am Ibrahim.