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Hi,

Do the following as exactly as I tell you:

1. Press NVDA key and Q to open Exit NVDA dialog.
2. From Exit NVDA dialog, select “restart with debug logging enabled” and press Enter.
3. Use NVDA as you would, including from files and folders list.
4. After the problem is reproduced, press NVDA key and F1, copy everything, and paste it as a private email to me (private email is required to protect privacy and to comply with debug log data policy on this forum). After I get the log and do some work, I’ll come back here and let folks know what might be happening.

Cheers,

Joseph

Yes it still did so I should send a log.  Please explain how to do that please.

If I understand your message, which I may not have when I first answered it, you are saying that if you haven't read the material before, you can set the start place, then set the end place as you read. That's true. I don't know how many people select in that way. I don't recall ever selecting material unless I know already what I want to select.

Does the problem you are describing only occur on specific programs or in general?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 7:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Possible bug with NVDA and Notepad++

You can move to the start point, then hold shift and move down by line while
holding the shift key, not releasing it at all. You will hear each line you
are selecting as you move. In your message, you said you first mark the
start point, then move to the end of the message. So in your example, you
want to select from the start point to the end of the message. Move to the
start point, then use the command control shift end to move to the end of
the file and select from the start point to the end.

When you select, you use the movement commands with the shift added. You
can hold the shift and move and hear what you are moving through such as
holding the shift, not releasing it, and repeatedly pressing down arrow.
You can use more than one movement command. You can use shift down arrow,
then use shift plus right arrow.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: William Wong
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 6:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Possible bug with NVDA and Notepad++

Hi thanks for the reply.

I know the normal way of Window selection by shift key, but using shift
key I have to keep pressing the shift key till I find the correct end
point of selection.

I found nvda f9/10 useful is because I can first mark the start point
with nvda f9, then I can move on to read the rest of the content and
decide on where to end selection.



Luke Davis 於 15/7/2020 0:23 寫道:

On Tue, 14 Jul 2020, William Wong wrote:

I came across a bug:

This is not a bug. You have conflated (confused) two different kinds of selection.

1. open any txt file with Notepad ++
2. select a start position by nvda f9

That is selecting with review mode. You should then use review commands (number pad in desktop keyboard mode), and then NVDA+F10 when you're finished (possibly twice).

This should only be used when the windows selection commands don't work.

> 3. press ctrl end to move to end of document

You are now moving cursors and such, which changes the screen. That will make review mode commands unpredictable. You can not use cursor movement commands while using review commands, and expect the review commands to keep working.

4. press nvda f10 to mark as end position

The review mode is only intended to work on a static screen. When you start changing the screen out from under it, you can't expect the review mode copy method to work any more. It's not a bug, that's how it's supposed to work. In fact it can't be any other way.

In an environment like NotepadPlusPlus, you can just use normal Windows selection and copy commands. Control+A to select all; Shift and arrow keys to select by character or line; shift and control+arrow keys to select words; Shift and home/end to select to start/end of line; and shift+control+home/end to select to the beginning/end of the document.

You should leave NVDA+F9/F10 out of it in applications like this.

Luke

If I understand your message, which I may not have when I first answered it, you are saying that if you haven't read the material before, you can set the start place, then set the end place as you read.  That's true.  I don't know how many people select in that way.  I don't recall ever selecting material unless I know already what I want to select.

Does the problem you are describing only occur on specific programs or in general?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 7:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Possible bug with NVDA and Notepad++

You can move to the start point, then hold shift and move down by line while
holding the shift key, not releasing it at all.  You will hear each line you
are selecting as you move.  In your message, you said you first mark the
start point, then move to the end of the message.  So in your example, you
want to select from the start point to the end of the message. Move to the
start point, then use the command control shift end to move to the end of
the file and select from the start point to the end.

When you select, you use the movement commands with the shift added.  You
can hold the shift and move and hear what you are moving through such as
holding the shift, not releasing it, and repeatedly pressing down arrow.
You can use more than one movement command.  You can use shift down arrow,
then use shift plus right arrow.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: William Wong
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 6:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Possible bug with NVDA and Notepad++

Hi thanks for the reply.

I know the normal way of Window selection by shift key, but using shift
key I have to keep pressing the shift key till I find the correct end
point of selection.

I found nvda f9/10 useful is because I can first mark the start point
with nvda f9, then I can move on to read the rest of the content and
decide on where to end selection.



Luke Davis 於 15/7/2020 0:23 寫道:

On Tue, 14 Jul 2020, William Wong wrote:

I came across a bug:

This is not a bug. You have conflated (confused) two different kinds of selection.

1. open any txt file with Notepad ++
2. select a start position by nvda f9

That is selecting with review mode. You should then use review commands (number pad in desktop keyboard mode), and then NVDA+F10 when you're finished (possibly twice).

This should only be used when the windows selection commands don't work.

 > 3. press ctrl end to move to end of document

You are now moving cursors and such, which changes the screen. That will make review mode commands unpredictable. You can not use cursor movement commands while using review commands, and expect the review commands to keep working.

4. press nvda f10 to mark as end position

The review mode is only intended to work on a static screen. When you start changing the screen out from under it, you can't expect the review mode copy method to work any more. It's not a bug, that's how it's supposed to work. In fact it can't be any other way.

In an environment like NotepadPlusPlus, you can just use normal Windows selection and copy commands. Control+A to select all; Shift and arrow keys to select by character or line; shift and control+arrow keys to select words; Shift and home/end to select to start/end of line; and shift+control+home/end to select to the beginning/end of the document.

You should leave NVDA+F9/F10 out of it in applications like this.

Luke

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On Tue, 14 Jul 2020, William Wong wrote:

I came across a bug:

This is not a bug. You have conflated (confused) two different kinds of selection.

1. open any txt file with Notepad ++
2. select a start position by nvda f9

That is selecting with review mode. You should then use review commands (number pad in desktop keyboard mode), and then NVDA+F10 when you're finished (possibly twice).

This should only be used when the windows selection commands don't work.

> 3. press ctrl end to move to end of document

You are now moving cursors and such, which changes the screen. That will make review mode commands unpredictable. You can not use cursor movement commands while using review commands, and expect the review commands to keep working.

4. press nvda f10 to mark as end position

The review mode is only intended to work on a static screen. When you start changing the screen out from under it, you can't expect the review mode copy method to work any more. It's not a bug, that's how it's supposed to work. In fact it can't be any other way.

In an environment like NotepadPlusPlus, you can just use normal Windows selection and copy commands. Control+A to select all; Shift and arrow keys to select by character or line; shift and control+arrow keys to select words; Shift and home/end to select to start/end of line; and shift+control+home/end to select to the beginning/end of the document.

You should leave NVDA+F9/F10 out of it in applications like this.

Luke

On Tue, 14 Jul 2020, William Wong wrote:

I came across a bug:

This is not a bug. You have conflated (confused) two different kinds of selection.

1. open any txt file with Notepad ++
2. select a start position by nvda f9

That is selecting with review mode. You should then use review commands (number pad in desktop keyboard mode), and then NVDA+F10 when you're finished (possibly twice).

This should only be used when the windows selection commands don't work.

> 3. press ctrl end to move to end of document

You are now moving cursors and such, which changes the screen. That will make review mode commands unpredictable. You can not use cursor movement commands while using review commands, and expect the review commands to keep working.

4. press nvda f10 to mark as end position

The review mode is only intended to work on a static screen. When you start changing the screen out from under it, you can't expect the review mode copy method to work any more. It's not a bug, that's how it's supposed to work. In fact it can't be any other way.

In an environment like NotepadPlusPlus, you can just use normal Windows selection and copy commands. Control+A to select all; Shift and arrow keys to select by character or line; shift and control+arrow keys to select words; Shift and home/end to select to start/end of line; and shift+control+home/end to select to the beginning/end of the document.

You should leave NVDA+F9/F10 out of it in applications like this.

Luke

On Tue, 14 Jul 2020, William Wong wrote:

I came across a bug:

This is not a bug. You have conflated (confused) two different kinds of selection.

1. open any txt file with Notepad ++
2. select a start position by nvda f9

That is selecting with review mode. You should then use review commands (number pad in desktop keyboard mode), and then NVDA+F10 when you're finished (possibly twice).

This should only be used when the windows selection commands don't work.

 > 3. press ctrl end to move to end of document

You are now moving cursors and such, which changes the screen. That will make review mode commands unpredictable. You can not use cursor movement commands while using review commands, and expect the review commands to keep working.

4. press nvda f10 to mark as end position

The review mode is only intended to work on a static screen. When you start changing the screen out from under it, you can't expect the review mode copy method to work any more. It's not a bug, that's how it's supposed to work. In fact it can't be any other way.

In an environment like NotepadPlusPlus, you can just use normal Windows selection and copy commands. Control+A to select all; Shift and arrow keys to select by character or line; shift and control+arrow keys to select words; Shift and home/end to select to start/end of line; and shift+control+home/end to select to the beginning/end of the document.

You should leave NVDA+F9/F10 out of it in applications like this.

Luke

The functionality formerly handled by the Focus Highlight Add-On has
been integrated into the core functionality of NVDA under the Vision
preferences.  However, I have had no success in getting Focus Highlight
to either work in the first place, or have its functionality stick.  I
have uninstalled and reinstalled NVDA, and that didn't fix the issue,
either.

Right now, if I attempt to enable Focus Highlight in the Vision
settings, I am consistently getting the error message, "Could not load
the Focus Highlight vision enhancement provider."

I thought I'd ask here if anyone knew if there was something I have done
to cause this or could do to fix it before I file a trouble ticket on
GitHub.

(As an aside, and I know that this is my doing, where is it that I can
tweak how much punctuation NVDA pronounces?  In playing around I now
have NVDA saying, "Loading NVDA dot dot dot," when loading, as well as
reading way more punctuation than it does by default.  I can't seem to
find the settings I tweaked when experimenting that caused this.)
--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

*/Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its
platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth./*

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in /New York Times/ article, /How
Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States/
<https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-us.html>;/,/September
23, 2019

 

 

The functionality formerly handled by the Focus Highlight Add-On has
been integrated into the core functionality of NVDA under the Vision
preferences.  However, I have had no success in getting Focus Highlight
to either work in the first place, or have its functionality stick.  I
have uninstalled and reinstalled NVDA, and that didn't fix the issue,
either.

Right now, if I attempt to enable Focus Highlight in the Vision
settings, I am consistently getting the error message, "Could not load
the Focus Highlight vision enhancement provider."

I thought I'd ask here if anyone knew if there was something I have done
to cause this or could do to fix it before I file a trouble ticket on
GitHub.

(As an aside, and I know that this is my doing, where is it that I can
tweak how much punctuation NVDA pronounces?  In playing around I now
have NVDA saying, "Loading NVDA dot dot dot," when loading, as well as
reading way more punctuation than it does by default.  I can't seem to
find the settings I tweaked when experimenting that caused this.)
--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

*/Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its
platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth./*

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in /New York Times/ article, /How
Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States/
<https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-us.html>;/,/September
23, 2019