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Re: using physical mouse with nvda?

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

I agree it is pointless.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 1:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] using physical mouse with nvda?

 

As Gene noted, there is little reason for a totally blind user to use the mouse, both because without being able to see where you are moving, it is very hard to get it exactly where you need, and often it is easier to use the keyboard to jump to particular elements.

 

If there is a specific page you are having trouble accessing that you can post the URL for here, I can have a look and try and give some pointers.


We do have a few low vision users who might have enough sight to use the mouse to get to a particular page and point on a page, but then rely on NVDA to read the text.  NVDA can read the text under the mouse pointer.  Press NVDA+m to toggle mouse tracking on or off - when on, it will read the text under the mouse pointer as you move the mouse.


The review cursor and object navigation can often be used to get to parts of the screen that regular navigation may not work with, and there are NVDA commands to click the left or right mouse buttons, but usually these are used as workarounds when other navigation fails in a particular instance.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I'll give you my perspective as a blind user who hasn't used a physical mouse.  Perhaps some people will disagree, I don't know.  But my comments may help clarify matters or lead to more clarifying discussion. 

 

I suspect that you are trying to use the mouse in ways that are not intended by NVDA designers.  For example, in all the years I've been on this list, I've never heard of blind users using the scroll wheel.  I've heard of people moving around the screen with a mouse to get the layout.  If you want to use the mouse to get an idea of how a screen is laid out, that can evidently be done.  but NVDA is intended for blind users primarily to be used from the keyboardwhen using browse mode.  You are not interacting with a web page directly when you use browse mode.  You are interacting with a reformatted version of the page in the MSAA or whatever it's called now, buffer.  The whole point is to move as though there is a cursor using the keyboard.  I've been told by a friend that sighted relatives and readers can't use the Internet while her screen-reader is active because the virtual PC cursor, the same thing as browse mode, makes usual ways of doing things, such as scrolling, however it is attempted with a mouse, not work.  I've heard of numerous instances where blind people move around one screen, the current one, when using a browser and a mouse.  But that's very different than scrolling.  You could probably scroll if you turn off browse mode but what's the point?  You can't read as intended with a screen-reader if you do that. 

 

In other programs, such as Microsoft Word or programs that don't use browse mode, I would imagine you could scroll.  But again, why?  I've wondered now and then, if I've found a control I can't work with on an Internet page from the keyboard if I could do so by using a mouse to click on it.  But that's completely different from scrolling and trying somehow to read with a mouse.  

 

One question is what it makes sense to do with a physical mouse as a blind person and another question is technically, in browse mode, what can you do not just with NVDA but with any screen-reader that uses browse mode?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: The Wolf

Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 11:23 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] using physical mouse with nvda?

 

ah
that would explain why iy wasn't talking to me when I was trying to scroll down a page.
can you suggest a rpogram that can let me scroll down using the mouse?
I am trying to get the hang of using a mouse its totally forin to me.
also I am totally blind
thanks
Hank

On 7/19/2017 9:16 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

I can use the mouse wheel to scroll in Internet Explorer, at least on Windows 10.

 

Do you mean have the mouse wheel move the focus for NVDA though?  It doesn't currently do that - what I can do is use the mouse wheel to smoothly scroll the page visually.

 

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 1:59 PM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:

internet explorer

 

On 7/19/2017 8:40 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Interesting, which program are you referring to?

 

 

 

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 1:14 PM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:

Hello

found this in a list of back logged emails

that I have saved.
when I do use the mouse to scroll down using the program with nvda not running then it scrolls when nvda is running it does not.
Hank

On 3/20/2017 3:54 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi Hank,

 

Silly question, but does the mouse wheel scroll down in the program you are using if NVDA is not running?

 

I have enough sight to use the mouse as well, and I find sometimes, particularly on say the web, I will grab the mouse if I do want to scroll down and read something further down because I can use the scroll wheel for that.

 

Regards


Quentin.

 

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 12:30 PM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:

Hello this may sound like a odd question but how do you make the weel on the mouse to scroll down? when I try to use the mouse with nvda the weel on the mouse doesn't do anything.

thanks

Hank






 

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Re: using physical mouse with nvda?

David Moore
 

Hi all,

Just tonight, my keyboard quit working on my laptop. I was able to move the mouse pointer with NVDA and right click on the start button, and I could use my touch pad until I heard NVDA say power, and I left clicked on that, and I was able to restart my computer. I did all of that with moving the mouse when the keyboard would not work. When my computer came back on, my key board worked great! So, I think that is a pretty good example of how I was able to move the mouse pointer around to get the job done. I practice a lot moving my fingers around the touch pad, and I can move the mouse to places where no keyboard commands will move the mouse pointer. I do not agree that totally blind users cannot benefit by using the mouse feature in NVDA and Narrator.

David Moore

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From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 1:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] using physical mouse with nvda?

 

As Gene noted, there is little reason for a totally blind user to use the mouse, both because without being able to see where you are moving, it is very hard to get it exactly where you need, and often it is easier to use the keyboard to jump to particular elements.

 

If there is a specific page you are having trouble accessing that you can post the URL for here, I can have a look and try and give some pointers.


We do have a few low vision users who might have enough sight to use the mouse to get to a particular page and point on a page, but then rely on NVDA to read the text.  NVDA can read the text under the mouse pointer.  Press NVDA+m to toggle mouse tracking on or off - when on, it will read the text under the mouse pointer as you move the mouse.


The review cursor and object navigation can often be used to get to parts of the screen that regular navigation may not work with, and there are NVDA commands to click the left or right mouse buttons, but usually these are used as workarounds when other navigation fails in a particular instance.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I'll give you my perspective as a blind user who hasn't used a physical mouse.  Perhaps some people will disagree, I don't know.  But my comments may help clarify matters or lead to more clarifying discussion. 

 

I suspect that you are trying to use the mouse in ways that are not intended by NVDA designers.  For example, in all the years I've been on this list, I've never heard of blind users using the scroll wheel.  I've heard of people moving around the screen with a mouse to get the layout.  If you want to use the mouse to get an idea of how a screen is laid out, that can evidently be done.  but NVDA is intended for blind users primarily to be used from the keyboardwhen using browse mode.  You are not interacting with a web page directly when you use browse mode.  You are interacting with a reformatted version of the page in the MSAA or whatever it's called now, buffer.  The whole point is to move as though there is a cursor using the keyboard.  I've been told by a friend that sighted relatives and readers can't use the Internet while her screen-reader is active because the virtual PC cursor, the same thing as browse mode, makes usual ways of doing things, such as scrolling, however it is attempted with a mouse, not work.  I've heard of numerous instances where blind people move around one screen, the current one, when using a browser and a mouse.  But that's very different than scrolling.  You could probably scroll if you turn off browse mode but what's the point?  You can't read as intended with a screen-reader if you do that. 

 

In other programs, such as Microsoft Word or programs that don't use browse mode, I would imagine you could scroll.  But again, why?  I've wondered now and then, if I've found a control I can't work with on an Internet page from the keyboard if I could do so by using a mouse to click on it.  But that's completely different from scrolling and trying somehow to read with a mouse.  

 

One question is what it makes sense to do with a physical mouse as a blind person and another question is technically, in browse mode, what can you do not just with NVDA but with any screen-reader that uses browse mode?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: The Wolf

Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 11:23 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] using physical mouse with nvda?

 

ah
that would explain why iy wasn't talking to me when I was trying to scroll down a page.
can you suggest a rpogram that can let me scroll down using the mouse?
I am trying to get the hang of using a mouse its totally forin to me.
also I am totally blind
thanks
Hank

On 7/19/2017 9:16 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

I can use the mouse wheel to scroll in Internet Explorer, at least on Windows 10.

 

Do you mean have the mouse wheel move the focus for NVDA though?  It doesn't currently do that - what I can do is use the mouse wheel to smoothly scroll the page visually.

 

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 1:59 PM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:

internet explorer

 

On 7/19/2017 8:40 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Interesting, which program are you referring to?

 

 

 

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 1:14 PM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:

Hello

found this in a list of back logged emails

that I have saved.
when I do use the mouse to scroll down using the program with nvda not running then it scrolls when nvda is running it does not.
Hank

On 3/20/2017 3:54 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi Hank,

 

Silly question, but does the mouse wheel scroll down in the program you are using if NVDA is not running?

 

I have enough sight to use the mouse as well, and I find sometimes, particularly on say the web, I will grab the mouse if I do want to scroll down and read something further down because I can use the scroll wheel for that.

 

Regards


Quentin.

 

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 12:30 PM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:

Hello this may sound like a odd question but how do you make the weel on the mouse to scroll down? when I try to use the mouse with nvda the weel on the mouse doesn't do anything.

thanks

Hank






 

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Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 

 



 

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Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

www.nvaccess.org 
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Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
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Training and Support Manager

 

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

www.nvaccess.org 
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Re: Latest Windows update has put an annoying sound for message deletion

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Is this on the mail app itself have they actually changed a sound that was always there but like silent?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Cearbhall O'Meadhra" <cearbhall.omeadhra@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 9:28 AM
Subject: [nvda] Latest Windows update has put an annoying sound for message deletion


Hi, Quentin,



I received an automatic update to my Windows 10 last night and now there is
an annoying descending sound every time I delete a message in my Inbox. This
was silent yesterday and I cannot find how to turn it off! It is not the
warning for permanently deleting messages. I turned that off and it made no
difference.



The sound also comes when I delete text from within a message.



The sound is interfering with NVDA and is most annoying. Any ideas?

All the best,



Cearbhall



m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...








Latest Windows update has put an annoying sound for message deletion

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Hi, Quentin,

 

I received an automatic update to my Windows 10 last night and now there is an annoying descending sound every time I delete a message in my Inbox. This was silent yesterday and I cannot find how to turn it off! It is not the warning for permanently deleting messages. I turned that off and it made no difference.

 

The sound also comes when I delete text from within a message.

 

The sound is interfering with NVDA and is most annoying. Any ideas?

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

 


Boing boing. bouncing list mail again

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

If I have missed anything once again this is happening. Anyone else seen it?

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Re: using physical mouse with nvda?

Quentin Christensen
 

As Gene noted, there is little reason for a totally blind user to use the mouse, both because without being able to see where you are moving, it is very hard to get it exactly where you need, and often it is easier to use the keyboard to jump to particular elements.

If there is a specific page you are having trouble accessing that you can post the URL for here, I can have a look and try and give some pointers.

We do have a few low vision users who might have enough sight to use the mouse to get to a particular page and point on a page, but then rely on NVDA to read the text.  NVDA can read the text under the mouse pointer.  Press NVDA+m to toggle mouse tracking on or off - when on, it will read the text under the mouse pointer as you move the mouse.

The review cursor and object navigation can often be used to get to parts of the screen that regular navigation may not work with, and there are NVDA commands to click the left or right mouse buttons, but usually these are used as workarounds when other navigation fails in a particular instance.

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I'll give you my perspective as a blind user who hasn't used a physical mouse.  Perhaps some people will disagree, I don't know.  But my comments may help clarify matters or lead to more clarifying discussion. 
 
I suspect that you are trying to use the mouse in ways that are not intended by NVDA designers.  For example, in all the years I've been on this list, I've never heard of blind users using the scroll wheel.  I've heard of people moving around the screen with a mouse to get the layout.  If you want to use the mouse to get an idea of how a screen is laid out, that can evidently be done.  but NVDA is intended for blind users primarily to be used from the keyboardwhen using browse mode.  You are not interacting with a web page directly when you use browse mode.  You are interacting with a reformatted version of the page in the MSAA or whatever it's called now, buffer.  The whole point is to move as though there is a cursor using the keyboard.  I've been told by a friend that sighted relatives and readers can't use the Internet while her screen-reader is active because the virtual PC cursor, the same thing as browse mode, makes usual ways of doing things, such as scrolling, however it is attempted with a mouse, not work.  I've heard of numerous instances where blind people move around one screen, the current one, when using a browser and a mouse.  But that's very different than scrolling.  You could probably scroll if you turn off browse mode but what's the point?  You can't read as intended with a screen-reader if you do that. 
 
In other programs, such as Microsoft Word or programs that don't use browse mode, I would imagine you could scroll.  But again, why?  I've wondered now and then, if I've found a control I can't work with on an Internet page from the keyboard if I could do so by using a mouse to click on it.  But that's completely different from scrolling and trying somehow to read with a mouse.  
 
One question is what it makes sense to do with a physical mouse as a blind person and another question is technically, in browse mode, what can you do not just with NVDA but with any screen-reader that uses browse mode?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: The Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] using physical mouse with nvda?

ah
that would explain why iy wasn't talking to me when I was trying to scroll down a page.
can you suggest a rpogram that can let me scroll down using the mouse?
I am trying to get the hang of using a mouse its totally forin to me.
also I am totally blind
thanks
Hank

On 7/19/2017 9:16 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
I can use the mouse wheel to scroll in Internet Explorer, at least on Windows 10.

Do you mean have the mouse wheel move the focus for NVDA though?  It doesn't currently do that - what I can do is use the mouse wheel to smoothly scroll the page visually.

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 1:59 PM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:

internet explorer


On 7/19/2017 8:40 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Interesting, which program are you referring to?



On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 1:14 PM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:

Hello

found this in a list of back logged emails

that I have saved.
when I do use the mouse to scroll down using the program with nvda not running then it scrolls when nvda is running it does not.
Hank


On 3/20/2017 3:54 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Hank,

Silly question, but does the mouse wheel scroll down in the program you are using if NVDA is not running?

I have enough sight to use the mouse as well, and I find sometimes, particularly on say the web, I will grab the mouse if I do want to scroll down and read something further down because I can use the scroll wheel for that.

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 12:30 PM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:
Hello this may sound like a odd question but how do you make the weel on the mouse to scroll down? when I try to use the mouse with nvda the weel on the mouse doesn't do anything.

thanks

Hank








--
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Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 





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Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 





--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 





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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
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Re: Hebrew TTS - My answer KOLFIX and you find it.

Quentin Christensen
 

Perfect, thank you Moti!

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 2:36 PM, Moty Azrad <motiaz@...> wrote:

Yes, you have kolfix that uses Sivan or Gilad voices and you can use it to work properly with Nvda.

Search in Google – Its dictionary is of Melingo and it is very very good dictionary.

There are another Hebrew engines but they are not supported today.

 

Moti Azrad

 

Moti Azrad

 

Musician & Piano-Tuner

motia@...

azrad_moty@...

motiaz@...

ISRAEL

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Hebrew TTS

 

Hi everyone,

 

I've had an enquiry about using NVDA in Hebrew.  I know the interface is translated to Hebrew, but the default eSpeak NG synthesizer we use doesn't support Hebrew.  The commercial Vocalizer synthesizer supports Hebrew, but is anyone familiar with any other synthesizers which support Hebrew?

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

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--
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Training and Support Manager

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www.nvaccess.org 
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Re: using physical mouse with nvda?

Gene
 

I'll give you my perspective as a blind user who hasn't used a physical mouse.  Perhaps some people will disagree, I don't know.  But my comments may help clarify matters or lead to more clarifying discussion. 
 
I suspect that you are trying to use the mouse in ways that are not intended by NVDA designers.  For example, in all the years I've been on this list, I've never heard of blind users using the scroll wheel.  I've heard of people moving around the screen with a mouse to get the layout.  If you want to use the mouse to get an idea of how a screen is laid out, that can evidently be done.  but NVDA is intended for blind users primarily to be used from the keyboardwhen using browse mode.  You are not interacting with a web page directly when you use browse mode.  You are interacting with a reformatted version of the page in the MSAA or whatever it's called now, buffer.  The whole point is to move as though there is a cursor using the keyboard.  I've been told by a friend that sighted relatives and readers can't use the Internet while her screen-reader is active because the virtual PC cursor, the same thing as browse mode, makes usual ways of doing things, such as scrolling, however it is attempted with a mouse, not work.  I've heard of numerous instances where blind people move around one screen, the current one, when using a browser and a mouse.  But that's very different than scrolling.  You could probably scroll if you turn off browse mode but what's the point?  You can't read as intended with a screen-reader if you do that. 
 
In other programs, such as Microsoft Word or programs that don't use browse mode, I would imagine you could scroll.  But again, why?  I've wondered now and then, if I've found a control I can't work with on an Internet page from the keyboard if I could do so by using a mouse to click on it.  But that's completely different from scrolling and trying somehow to read with a mouse.  
 
One question is what it makes sense to do with a physical mouse as a blind person and another question is technically, in browse mode, what can you do not just with NVDA but with any screen-reader that uses browse mode?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: The Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] using physical mouse with nvda?

ah
that would explain why iy wasn't talking to me when I was trying to scroll down a page.
can you suggest a rpogram that can let me scroll down using the mouse?
I am trying to get the hang of using a mouse its totally forin to me.
also I am totally blind
thanks
Hank

On 7/19/2017 9:16 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
I can use the mouse wheel to scroll in Internet Explorer, at least on Windows 10.

Do you mean have the mouse wheel move the focus for NVDA though?  It doesn't currently do that - what I can do is use the mouse wheel to smoothly scroll the page visually.

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 1:59 PM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:

internet explorer


On 7/19/2017 8:40 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Interesting, which program are you referring to?



On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 1:14 PM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:

Hello

found this in a list of back logged emails

that I have saved.
when I do use the mouse to scroll down using the program with nvda not running then it scrolls when nvda is running it does not.
Hank


On 3/20/2017 3:54 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Hank,

Silly question, but does the mouse wheel scroll down in the program you are using if NVDA is not running?

I have enough sight to use the mouse as well, and I find sometimes, particularly on say the web, I will grab the mouse if I do want to scroll down and read something further down because I can use the scroll wheel for that.

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 12:30 PM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:
Hello this may sound like a odd question but how do you make the weel on the mouse to scroll down? when I try to use the mouse with nvda the weel on the mouse doesn't do anything.

thanks

Hank








--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 





--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 





--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 



Re: Hebrew TTS - My answer KOLFIX and you find it.

Moty Azrad
 

Yes, you have kolfix that uses Sivan or Gilad voices and you can use it to work properly with Nvda.

Search in Google – Its dictionary is of Melingo and it is very very good dictionary.

There are another Hebrew engines but they are not supported today.

 

Moti Azrad

 

Moti Azrad

 

Musician & Piano-Tuner

motia@...

azrad_moty@...

motiaz@...

ISRAEL

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Hebrew TTS

 

Hi everyone,

 

I've had an enquiry about using NVDA in Hebrew.  I know the interface is translated to Hebrew, but the default eSpeak NG synthesizer we use doesn't support Hebrew.  The commercial Vocalizer synthesizer supports Hebrew, but is anyone familiar with any other synthesizers which support Hebrew?

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

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Re: using physical mouse with nvda?

 

ah
that would explain why iy wasn't talking to me when I was trying to scroll down a page.
can you suggest a rpogram that can let me scroll down using the mouse?
I am trying to get the hang of using a mouse its totally forin to me.
also I am totally blind
thanks
Hank

On 7/19/2017 9:16 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
I can use the mouse wheel to scroll in Internet Explorer, at least on Windows 10.

Do you mean have the mouse wheel move the focus for NVDA though?  It doesn't currently do that - what I can do is use the mouse wheel to smoothly scroll the page visually.

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 1:59 PM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:

internet explorer


On 7/19/2017 8:40 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Interesting, which program are you referring to?



On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 1:14 PM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:

Hello

found this in a list of back logged emails

that I have saved.
when I do use the mouse to scroll down using the program with nvda not running then it scrolls when nvda is running it does not.
Hank


On 3/20/2017 3:54 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Hank,

Silly question, but does the mouse wheel scroll down in the program you are using if NVDA is not running?

I have enough sight to use the mouse as well, and I find sometimes, particularly on say the web, I will grab the mouse if I do want to scroll down and read something further down because I can use the scroll wheel for that.

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 12:30 PM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:
Hello this may sound like a odd question but how do you make the weel on the mouse to scroll down? when I try to use the mouse with nvda the weel on the mouse doesn't do anything.

thanks

Hank








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Twitter: @NVAccess 





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Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 



Re: using physical mouse with nvda?

Quentin Christensen
 

I can use the mouse wheel to scroll in Internet Explorer, at least on Windows 10.

Do you mean have the mouse wheel move the focus for NVDA though?  It doesn't currently do that - what I can do is use the mouse wheel to smoothly scroll the page visually.

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 1:59 PM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:

internet explorer


On 7/19/2017 8:40 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Interesting, which program are you referring to?



On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 1:14 PM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:

Hello

found this in a list of back logged emails

that I have saved.
when I do use the mouse to scroll down using the program with nvda not running then it scrolls when nvda is running it does not.
Hank


On 3/20/2017 3:54 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Hank,

Silly question, but does the mouse wheel scroll down in the program you are using if NVDA is not running?

I have enough sight to use the mouse as well, and I find sometimes, particularly on say the web, I will grab the mouse if I do want to scroll down and read something further down because I can use the scroll wheel for that.

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 12:30 PM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:
Hello this may sound like a odd question but how do you make the weel on the mouse to scroll down? when I try to use the mouse with nvda the weel on the mouse doesn't do anything.

thanks

Hank








--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 





--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 





--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: NVDA and the Online Bible

Leonard de Ruijter
 

Hey,


I will try to investigate this in the weekend. As JAWS is able to read stuff from it just fine (and I was able to operate it using SuperNova as well), it shouldn't be that hard.


Regards,
Leonard

On 19-7-2017 22:03, Jim Noseworthy wrote:

 

I am the JAWS support person for Online Bible but I have a client who wishes to use NVDA. It just doesn’t work with NVDA.

 

Cheers.

.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Leonard de Ruijter
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 4:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and the Online Bible

 

Hello,

 

I've been working with online Bible a lot in the past, however that was back when I was using JAWS. Is there a particular reason why you belief you're in need of an add-on?


Regards,
Leonard

On 19-7-2017 21:01, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Bible Seeker from the below address is very good with NVDA.  The site has over a dozen bible translations and the search is accessible.  They say the latest version is 2.03 from 2017. I don't know why that is.  I have 2.03 from 2015.  I would assume it's the same program.  The size for download is the same.

http://bible_seeker.en.downloadastro.com/

 

 

On 7/19/2017 2:23 PM, Jim Noseworthy wrote:

Hi Gang:

 

Is there an NVDA add-on for the Online Bible?  If not, can anyone recommend a good off-line Bible that would work with NVDA?

 

Thanks all over the place gang.

 

 



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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

 



Re: using physical mouse with nvda?

 

internet explorer


On 7/19/2017 8:40 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Interesting, which program are you referring to?



On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 1:14 PM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:

Hello

found this in a list of back logged emails

that I have saved.
when I do use the mouse to scroll down using the program with nvda not running then it scrolls when nvda is running it does not.
Hank


On 3/20/2017 3:54 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Hank,

Silly question, but does the mouse wheel scroll down in the program you are using if NVDA is not running?

I have enough sight to use the mouse as well, and I find sometimes, particularly on say the web, I will grab the mouse if I do want to scroll down and read something further down because I can use the scroll wheel for that.

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 12:30 PM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:
Hello this may sound like a odd question but how do you make the weel on the mouse to scroll down? when I try to use the mouse with nvda the weel on the mouse doesn't do anything.

thanks

Hank








--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 





--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 



Re: using physical mouse with nvda?

Quentin Christensen
 

Interesting, which program are you referring to?



On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 1:14 PM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:

Hello

found this in a list of back logged emails

that I have saved.
when I do use the mouse to scroll down using the program with nvda not running then it scrolls when nvda is running it does not.
Hank


On 3/20/2017 3:54 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Hank,

Silly question, but does the mouse wheel scroll down in the program you are using if NVDA is not running?

I have enough sight to use the mouse as well, and I find sometimes, particularly on say the web, I will grab the mouse if I do want to scroll down and read something further down because I can use the scroll wheel for that.

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 12:30 PM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:
Hello this may sound like a odd question but how do you make the weel on the mouse to scroll down? when I try to use the mouse with nvda the weel on the mouse doesn't do anything.

thanks

Hank








--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 





--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: using physical mouse with nvda?

 

Hello

found this in a list of back logged emails

that I have saved.
when I do use the mouse to scroll down using the program with nvda not running then it scrolls when nvda is running it does not.
Hank


On 3/20/2017 3:54 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Hank,

Silly question, but does the mouse wheel scroll down in the program you are using if NVDA is not running?

I have enough sight to use the mouse as well, and I find sometimes, particularly on say the web, I will grab the mouse if I do want to scroll down and read something further down because I can use the scroll wheel for that.

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 12:30 PM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:
Hello this may sound like a odd question but how do you make the weel on the mouse to scroll down? when I try to use the mouse with nvda the weel on the mouse doesn't do anything.

thanks

Hank








--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 



more universal app help

 

Hello can any one tell me if the sirius xm and messanger facebook accessible?

using windows universal apps?


Re: Indirectly related to NVDA free or low cost website hosting

 

Ronald,

            Go to https://aws.amazon.com/ to see what may be available where you live.

            I honestly cannot answer anything about how difficult this service may be to use for someone who's accessing it strictly through a screen reader.  It has been years since I set up my service, lots has changed since then, and I did (and still do) it all using sight.

            Someone would have to give it a go to see how accessible the AWS console is with a screen reader.  I can say that the AWS website is very complex due to the range of services offered.  I've really only explored the S3 service and setting up warnings on my account such that I would know if I were going to be billed at any point in time.  So far I've never used enough bandwidth in a month to come anywhere close to triggering a bill.
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     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

            Niels Bohr

 

 


Re: IE 11

 

Well its worth mentioning that somehow all mozilla programs use the chrome engine I assume its chromium but I wander how that works.

Even thunderbird uses the chrome engine.

On 20/07/2017 12:01 p.m., Gene wrote:
I've been saying off an on here and on other lists that Internet Explorer is archaic. It receives security updates but the actual program hasn't been updated for years. When it becomes cumbersome and unresponsive enough, more people may try other browsers. And Chrome is not the only choice. Firefox is another choice and it's more like Internet Explorer in terms of its interface. But Chrome isn't different if you are browsing. Differences in the interface of the program itself exist, for example, settings are in a web page-like interface. But if you just go to a web page and look around the page, it will be either identical or just about identical to looking at a web page using Internet Explorer. Firefox is also identical or just about identical when looking at web pages. They all use browse mode in NVDA.

If you want a program interface, book marks, history, that is more like Internet Explorer, you may want to try Firefox.

The settings interface is different but it's more like the Internet Explorer interface in that it is dialogs whereas Chrome settings are a web page like interface.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Don H
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 6:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] IE 11


Am I the only one that is finding that IE 11 is becoming more and more
troublesome? Web sites seem to be locked up or just don't act as they
should. I am using Chrome more and more but it is hard to teach a old
dog like me new tricks.




Re: Indirectly related to NVDA free or low cost website hosting

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


Why not try Arvixe?
 
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Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Indirectly related to NVDA free or low cost website hosting

Where can you find this? and howhard is it to use?


On 7/19/2017 6:48 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Gene NZ,

            I am not certain whether it would be available in NZ, but it is worth looking into Amazon Web Services Free Tier.  I've used it for my website for a number of years now and given the volume of visits have yet to be billed.  Even if one has to pay for bandwidth the charges are quite small.   It is the S3 service that one uses to host websites.   It is a bit of a PITA to set up, but once you've got your bucket (their term for a storage space for a given purpose, in your case hosting a website) set up it's quite straightforward to use if you're used to using FTP to transfer your files.

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     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

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Makes The Day Go Right!


Re: Hebrew TTS

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


I'm not sure. I haven't tried listenning, although based on what I know about most synths, yes, it would be modern.
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Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Hebrew TTS

Good question Christopher, without knowing, I would have assumed modern (is that what Vocalizer supports?  It doesn't say, it just lists "Hebrew").


On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 10:40 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:
We gotta be careful here.
 
Are they wanting the modern hebrew, or more biblical hebrew. Yes. The pronounciation is quite different in many ways, and it's different just enough to really screw you up, if you're not careful.
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Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 8:28 PM
Subject: [nvda] Hebrew TTS

Hi everyone,

I've had an enquiry about using NVDA in Hebrew.  I know the interface is translated to Hebrew, but the default eSpeak NG synthesizer we use doesn't support Hebrew.  The commercial Vocalizer synthesizer supports Hebrew, but is anyone familiar with any other synthesizers which support Hebrew?

Kind regards

Quentin.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 




--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess