The procedure you are using is intended for selecting and copying text when there is no cursor, such as in an error message. Do you know the Windows way of selecting text?

If this bug is a general one, it needs to be corrected but it appears many people use this method for selecting and copying text when the Windows method is available. The Windows method requires less key strokes and should be known because it is a part of Windows and is independent of any screen-reader.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: zahra
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 4:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Possible bug with NVDA and Notepad++

hello.
i reproduce cant selected text in firefox too.
its not specific for notepad plus plus.

On 7/14/20, William Wong <sine.kazurin@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

For the sake of posting replicated issue on Github, I would like to
raise the issue here.


I came across a bug:

1. open any txt file with Notepad ++

2. select a start position by nvda f9

3. press ctrl end to move to end of document

4. press nvda f10 to mark as end position

5. sometimes nvda can perform selection, but will not automatically
speak the selected text, whereas sometimes nvda may say unable to select
text.

I am not sure if this is a bug, or any one can give me any feedback?
thanks.

Thank you, Tyler. No, it wasn't, and this is precisely what I needed to do. I have this off for usual activity, and clearly I'm going to have to set up a trigger. If this isn't mentioned in the documentation along with the need for enabling row/column headers which I did know about, it may be worth including.

Thanks again.

Sam

Is Tables checked in NVDA, Preferences, Settings, Document Formatting?

If not, check it.

On 7/13/2020 3:46 PM, Sam Taylor via groups.io wrote:

Thanks Cearbhall,

I have constructed a test workbook without any blank lines. Still I

cannot get NVDA to read the coordinates as it should. I have tested with

NVDA 2019 and 2017 with the same result, so I am beginning to wonder

whether there is some type of setting in Excel itself which is causing

this to happen.

Thanks

Sam

On 13/07/2020 11:00 pm, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:

Sam,

Have you any blank columns separating blocks of columns. If so, you

would need to set the column headings on the first cell in the heading

row of each block to make NVDA call out the column headings for that

block.

All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Sam

Taylor via groups.io

*Sent:* Monday, July 13, 2020 11:08 AM

*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io

*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Automatic Column and Row Header Reading

Yep, I did that also, but still nothing appears to change. I followed

the example in the Excel with NVDA study material.

On 13/07/2020 6:00 pm, Quentin Christensen wrote:

    You need to tell NVDA where the headers are for it to read them. 

    Press NVDA+shift+c to set column headers and NVDA+shift+r to set

    row headers.  Note that you need to be in the first cell you want

    headers read.

    Quentin

    On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 5:30 PM Sam Taylor via groups.io

    <http://groups.io> <samtaylor9@...

    <mailto:me.com@groups.io>> wrote:

        Hi all,

        11.2.1 of the NVDA user guide mentions that NVDA is able to

        automatically announce appropriate row and column headers when

        navigating around Excel worksheets.

        I used to be able to achieve this but it doesn't appear to

        work for me any more, and indeed as of NVDA 2019.3.

        The cell coordinates just appear to read as usual, rather than

        reading any additional cell references.

        I have enabled the Report Table row / column headers option in

        NVDA's Document Formatting settings.

        y duCan anybodyplicate or suggest anything? This is highly

        likely to be user error.

        Cheers

        Sam

    -- 

    Quentin Christensen

    Training and Support Manager

    Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/> 

    Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

    Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

    User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

    Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 

    Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>

The procedure you are using is intended for selecting and copying text when there is no cursor, such as in an error message.  Do you know the Windows way of selecting text?

If this bug is a general one, it needs to be corrected but it appears many people use this method for selecting and copying text when the Windows method is available.  The Windows method requires less key strokes and should be known because it is a part of Windows and is independent of any screen-reader.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: zahra
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 4:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Possible bug with NVDA and Notepad++

hello.
i reproduce cant selected text in firefox too.
its not specific for notepad plus plus.

On 7/14/20, William Wong <sine.kazurin@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

For the sake of posting replicated issue on Github, I would like to
raise the issue here.


I came across a bug:

1. open any txt file with Notepad ++

2. select a start position by nvda f9

3. press ctrl end to move to end of document

4. press nvda f10 to mark as end position

5. sometimes nvda can perform selection, but will not automatically
speak the selected text, whereas sometimes nvda may say unable to select
text.

I am not sure if this is a bug, or any one can give me any feedback?
thanks.

Hi,

For the sake of posting replicated issue on Github, I would like to
raise the issue here.


I came across a bug:

1. open any txt file with Notepad ++

2. select a start position by nvda f9

3. press ctrl end to move to end of document

4. press nvda f10 to mark as end position

5. sometimes nvda can perform selection, but will not automatically
speak the selected text, whereas sometimes nvda may say unable to select
text.

I am not sure if this is a bug, or any one can give me any feedback?
thanks.

Thanks Cearbhall,

I have constructed a test workbook without any blank lines. Still I cannot get NVDA to read the coordinates as it should. I have tested with NVDA 2019 and 2017 with the same result, so I am beginning to wonder whether there is some type of setting in Excel itself which is causing this to happen.

Thanks

Sam

Sam,

 

Have you any blank columns separating blocks of columns. If so, you would need to set the column headings on the first cell in the heading row of each block to make NVDA call out the column headings for that block.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Taylor via groups.io
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 11:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Automatic Column and Row Header Reading

 

Yep, I did that also, but still nothing appears to change. I followed the example in the Excel with NVDA study material.

 

 

On 13/07/2020 6:00 pm, Quentin Christensen wrote:

You need to tell NVDA where the headers are for it to read them.  Press NVDA+shift+c to set column headers and NVDA+shift+r to set row headers.  Note that you need to be in the first cell you want headers read.

 

Quentin

 

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 5:30 PM Sam Taylor via groups.io <samtaylor9=me.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi all,

11.2.1 of the NVDA user guide mentions that NVDA is able to automatically announce appropriate row and column headers when navigating around Excel worksheets.

I used to be able to achieve this but it doesn't appear to work for me any more, and indeed as of NVDA 2019.3.

The cell coordinates just appear to read as usual, rather than reading any additional cell references.

I have enabled the Report Table row / column headers option in NVDA's Document Formatting settings.

y duCan anybodyplicate or suggest anything? This is highly likely to be user error.

Cheers

Sam

 

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

Web: www.nvaccess.org 

Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess

Hi,

For the sake of posting replicated issue on Github, I would like to
raise the issue here.


I came across a bug:

1. open any txt file with Notepad ++

2. select a start position by nvda f9

3. press ctrl end to move to end of document

4. press nvda f10 to mark as end position

5. sometimes nvda can perform selection, but will not automatically
speak the selected text, whereas sometimes nvda may say unable to select
text.

I am not sure if this is a bug, or any one can give me any feedback?
thanks.

Good pickup, yes you need to have NVDA set to report "tables", as well as column and row headers in NVDA's document formatting for this to work.  It's not well documented so I will ensure this is updated and noted in the User Guiide and Excel module.

If you otherwise prefer to have reporting of tables off, you can setup a configuration profile for Excel which has this setting enabled:

1) Open Excel

2) Press NVDA+control+p to open the configuration profiles dialog

3) press alt+n to create a new profile

4) Leave the name and press tab once to "use this profile for".

5) press the right arrow to move to "Current application (Excel)

6) Press Enter.

That creates the profile and now any change you make to NVDA's settings while in Excel will be saved in this profile rather than the "normal" profile.

Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 9:48 AM Sam Taylor via groups.io <samtaylor9=me.com@groups.io> wrote:

Thank you, Tyler. No, it wasn't, and this is precisely what I needed to do. I have this off for usual activity, and clearly I'm going to have to set up a trigger. If this isn't mentioned in the documentation along with the need for enabling row/column headers which I did know about, it may be worth including.

Thanks again.

Sam

On 14/07/2020 9:31 am, Tyler Spivey wrote:

Is Tables checked in NVDA, Preferences, Settings, Document Formatting?
If not, check it.

On 7/13/2020 3:46 PM, Sam Taylor via groups.io wrote:

Thanks Cearbhall,

I have constructed a test workbook without any blank lines. Still I
cannot get NVDA to read the coordinates as it should. I have tested with
NVDA 2019 and 2017 with the same result, so I am beginning to wonder
whether there is some type of setting in Excel itself which is causing
this to happen.

Thanks

Sam


On 13/07/2020 11:00 pm, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:

Sam,

 

Have you any blank columns separating blocks of columns. If so, you
would need to set the column headings on the first cell in the heading
row of each block to make NVDA call out the column headings for that
block.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Sam
Taylor via groups.io
*Sent:* Monday, July 13, 2020 11:08 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Automatic Column and Row Header Reading

 

Yep, I did that also, but still nothing appears to change. I followed
the example in the Excel with NVDA study material.

 

 

On 13/07/2020 6:00 pm, Quentin Christensen wrote:

    You need to tell NVDA where the headers are for it to read them. 
    Press NVDA+shift+c to set column headers and NVDA+shift+r to set
    row headers.  Note that you need to be in the first cell you want
    headers read.

     

    Quentin

     

    On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 5:30 PM Sam Taylor via groups.io
    <http://groups.io> <samtaylor9@...
    <mailto:me.com@groups.io>> wrote:

        Hi all,

        11.2.1 of the NVDA user guide mentions that NVDA is able to
        automatically announce appropriate row and column headers when
        navigating around Excel worksheets.

        I used to be able to achieve this but it doesn't appear to
        work for me any more, and indeed as of NVDA 2019.3.

        The cell coordinates just appear to read as usual, rather than
        reading any additional cell references.

        I have enabled the Report Table row / column headers option in
        NVDA's Document Formatting settings.

        y duCan anybodyplicate or suggest anything? This is highly
        likely to be user error.

        Cheers

        Sam

         


     

    -- 

    Quentin Christensen
    Training and Support Manager

     

    Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/> 

    Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

    Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

    User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

    Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
    Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org 

Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess

Is Tables checked in NVDA, Preferences, Settings, Document Formatting?
If not, check it.

On 7/13/2020 3:46 PM, Sam Taylor via groups.io wrote:

Thanks Cearbhall,

I have constructed a test workbook without any blank lines. Still I
cannot get NVDA to read the coordinates as it should. I have tested with
NVDA 2019 and 2017 with the same result, so I am beginning to wonder
whether there is some type of setting in Excel itself which is causing
this to happen.

Thanks

Sam


On 13/07/2020 11:00 pm, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:

Sam,

 

Have you any blank columns separating blocks of columns. If so, you
would need to set the column headings on the first cell in the heading
row of each block to make NVDA call out the column headings for that
block.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Sam
Taylor via groups.io
*Sent:* Monday, July 13, 2020 11:08 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Automatic Column and Row Header Reading

 

Yep, I did that also, but still nothing appears to change. I followed
the example in the Excel with NVDA study material.

 

 

On 13/07/2020 6:00 pm, Quentin Christensen wrote:

    You need to tell NVDA where the headers are for it to read them. 
    Press NVDA+shift+c to set column headers and NVDA+shift+r to set
    row headers.  Note that you need to be in the first cell you want
    headers read.

     

    Quentin

     

    On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 5:30 PM Sam Taylor via groups.io
    <http://groups.io> <samtaylor9@...
    <mailto:me.com@groups.io>> wrote:

        Hi all,

        11.2.1 of the NVDA user guide mentions that NVDA is able to
        automatically announce appropriate row and column headers when
        navigating around Excel worksheets.

        I used to be able to achieve this but it doesn't appear to
        work for me any more, and indeed as of NVDA 2019.3.

        The cell coordinates just appear to read as usual, rather than
        reading any additional cell references.

        I have enabled the Report Table row / column headers option in
        NVDA's Document Formatting settings.

        y duCan anybodyplicate or suggest anything? This is highly
        likely to be user error.

        Cheers

        Sam

         


     

    -- 

    Quentin Christensen
    Training and Support Manager

     

    Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/> 

    Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

    Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

    User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

    Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
    Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>

Thanks Cearbhall,

I have constructed a test workbook without any blank lines. Still I
cannot get NVDA to read the coordinates as it should. I have tested with
NVDA 2019 and 2017 with the same result, so I am beginning to wonder
whether there is some type of setting in Excel itself which is causing
this to happen.

Thanks

Sam


On 13/07/2020 11:00 pm, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:

Sam,

 

Have you any blank columns separating blocks of columns. If so, you
would need to set the column headings on the first cell in the heading
row of each block to make NVDA call out the column headings for that
block.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie

 

 

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Sam
Taylor via groups.io
*Sent:* Monday, July 13, 2020 11:08 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Automatic Column and Row Header Reading

 

Yep, I did that also, but still nothing appears to change. I followed
the example in the Excel with NVDA study material.

 

 

On 13/07/2020 6:00 pm, Quentin Christensen wrote:

You need to tell NVDA where the headers are for it to read them. 
Press NVDA+shift+c to set column headers and NVDA+shift+r to set
row headers.  Note that you need to be in the first cell you want
headers read.

 

Quentin

 

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 5:30 PM Sam Taylor via groups.io
<http://groups.io>; <samtaylor9=me.com@groups.io
<mailto:me.com@groups.io>> wrote:

Hi all,

11.2.1 of the NVDA user guide mentions that NVDA is able to
automatically announce appropriate row and column headers when
navigating around Excel worksheets.

I used to be able to achieve this but it doesn't appear to
work for me any more, and indeed as of NVDA 2019.3.

The cell coordinates just appear to read as usual, rather than
reading any additional cell references.

I have enabled the Report Table row / column headers option in
NVDA's Document Formatting settings.

y duCan anybodyplicate or suggest anything? This is highly
likely to be user error.

Cheers

Sam

 


 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>; 

Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>;

Sam,

 

Have you any blank columns separating blocks of columns. If so, you would need to set the column headings on the first cell in the heading row of each block to make NVDA call out the column headings for that block.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Taylor via groups.io
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 11:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Automatic Column and Row Header Reading

 

Yep, I did that also, but still nothing appears to change. I followed the example in the Excel with NVDA study material.

 

 

On 13/07/2020 6:00 pm, Quentin Christensen wrote:

You need to tell NVDA where the headers are for it to read them.  Press NVDA+shift+c to set column headers and NVDA+shift+r to set row headers.  Note that you need to be in the first cell you want headers read.

 

Quentin

 

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 5:30 PM Sam Taylor via groups.io <samtaylor9=me.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi all,

11.2.1 of the NVDA user guide mentions that NVDA is able to automatically announce appropriate row and column headers when navigating around Excel worksheets.

I used to be able to achieve this but it doesn't appear to work for me any more, and indeed as of NVDA 2019.3.

The cell coordinates just appear to read as usual, rather than reading any additional cell references.

I have enabled the Report Table row / column headers option in NVDA's Document Formatting settings.

y duCan anybodyplicate or suggest anything? This is highly likely to be user error.

Cheers

Sam

 

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

Web: www.nvaccess.org 

Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess

Yes it still did so I should send a log.  Please explain how to do that please.

Hi everyone, I did disable the one addon, clipspeak most current version.
There isn't any change concerning first letter navigation on the desktop or
in a list of files.
Speech other than that is working fine. But it would be nice to move by the
first letter navigation. So if anyone has any ideas how to get it back I
would appreciate them. I have NVDA on two three computers and all works
fine. Thanks for responding to my questions.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 3:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when
pressing first letter

Hi,
I suspect NVDA is not being notified about selection changes, sometimes
caused by an add-on or a setting interfering with what NVDA is supposed to
do. To test, try restarting with all add-ons disabled, and if that solves
the issue, we can move onto isolating individual add-ons.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 1:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when
pressing first letter

The original message doesn't say there is no speech. It gives one specific
condition where there is no speech, when you use first letter navigation in
a list. Since there is speech, the possible solutions don't apply.

I have no reason why no speech occurs at that one specific time. Using read
current line should easily solve the problem and the command takes almost no
time to execute. It may be possible to find the reason by examining the log
but there are some problems that are so minor and so easily worked around
that they aren't worth solving, though you may, if you wish to, pursue it,
of course.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 2:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when
pressing first letter



Hi




I am sure you would of checked the following on the computer.




One that his speakers are plugged into the right whole and turned on.




On the computer the sound is not muted.




Press the windows key + letter R to bring up the run dialogue then type in
sndvol then press the enter key.




The next screen that comes up will have the master volume make sure it is
right up so you can hear it and not down on zero.




There is a box under it if checked it will mute the sound so make sure it is

un checked.




If you can see nvda is running but not talking under that section I think
there is a slider to make it louder there.




Also check when nvda is running that under the synth settings in nvda you
press the nvda key + ctrl key + the letter S to bring it up.




Make sure under the synth section that it has a synth there and not set to
no speech if it is set to that change it to e speak or another synth
package.




Gene nz




On 13/07/2020 2:25 am, Fresh Start wrote:


Hi All, I am using NVDA 20.1 on a client's windows ten pro laptop. When on
the desktop or in a list of programs or files, NVDA doesn't speak the name
of a program or file when pressing it's first letter. However, the cursor
does go to the location. I know this by arrowing up and then down. I tried

maximizing but didn't cause any change in behavior. Any ideas to resolve
the problem? Thanks in advance.

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