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Re: Question: Are there any tutorials on backup and restore helpful for NVDA users who totally rely on speech or Braille?

Rob Hudson
 

John Isige <gwynn@...> wrote:
Anyway, my point is that with Narrator running right from the
installation screen of any bootable Windows nowadays, I feel like there
should be a way to get access to image restoration with a screen reader,
at least in theory. I don't know if there's a practical solution
available though.

Are you able to run things from a USB flash drive while the windows disk is booted? Say from the repair console?
You could get a portable version of active@ diskimage lite plus your disk images on an external drive, and run it that way.


locked Re: how to get Emphasis and styled text

 

Bernd,

             In word, doing formatting at the level of the words themselves simply involves selecting the text one wishes to format and then using the keyboard shortcuts to produce the formatting you're looking for.

See:  

Keyboard shortcuts in Word - Office Support


             The Frequently Used Shortcuts section talks about bold, italic, and underline.  If you are talking about the Styles part of the ribbon, I never use it.

             However, this is definitely not an NVDA-related topic, but is about how to use Microsoft Word.  If you wish to discuss this further I will be happy to, but you need to join the Chat Subgroup and ask there, which is one of the purposes for the subgroup.  At this point I will lock this topic.
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Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: Question: Are there any tutorials on backup and restore helpful for NVDA users who totally rely on speech or Braille?

John Isige
 

Don't count whatever you want. Will it work? If none of the self-booting
ones will work, will some program that can create an image and run from
within Windows work? I'm interested in practical solutions. There are
always Linux rescue disks of course, but lots of people aren't
comfortable with Linux. Windows might not provide a comfortable solution
either, e.g. if you can only get to a CLI and people aren't comfortable
with the command-line, but it would be a lot more readily accessible at
least. Anyway, my point is that with Narrator running right from the
installation screen of any bootable Windows nowadays, I feel like there
should be a way to get access to image restoration with a screen reader,
at least in theory. I don't know if there's a practical solution
available though.


I don't care if it runs from within Windows proper, or Windows PE, or
whatever. If we can boot media we should readily have available in case
of accidents anyway and get to some sort of program that will restore a
recovery image while a screen reader is active, then there you go. That
gives us a tool we can use independently that we couldn't use before.
More importantly, all we need is standard Windows, we don't have to make
a talking Linux disk or some special talking Windows environment. It's
already available. If I can boot standard Windows, activate Narrator and
run a GUI program or get to the command-line and do restore
\path\windows-image-name and have it restore Windows with all of my
programs, or most of them, to a messed up or brand new drive, then I'm
happy.

On 4/27/2020 15:42, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 02:46 PM, John Isige wrote:

But that's where trying to boot from a Windows install and getting
to your recovery program of choice would come in.

But this is not how most backup and recovery suites operate.  They
have dedicated bootable recovery software to handle the system images
they create.  And none of these run within Windows when being used,
because they're being used to recover a Windows instance.  (And I
don't count using Windows PE, or part of it, as "running under
Windows" such that a screen reader is available.)

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*/Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its
platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth./*

~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in /New York Times/ article, /How Anti-Vaccine
Sentiment Took Hold in the United States/
<https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-us.html>/,/September
23, 2019


locked Re: how to get Emphasis and styled text

Bernd Dorer
 

Hi Brian,

for me it's more important to know the usecase for the options as they are listed in document formatting category.
If it helps I say Microsoft Word.

I want to explain them in a German Podcast and couldn't produce them.

Thanks
Bernd
Am 27.04.2020 um 22:38 schrieb Brian Vogel:

Your question is far to vague to be answered.  The first thing that would be necessary information is, "in what software."

This is also not an NVDA-related question, but is about whatever software/web editor you are using, and would probably be better posed in the Chat Subgroup.
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Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 



Re: Question: Are there any tutorials on backup and restore helpful for NVDA users who totally rely on speech or Braille?

 

On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 02:46 PM, John Isige wrote:
But that's where trying to boot from a Windows install and getting to your recovery program of choice would come in.
But this is not how most backup and recovery suites operate.  They have dedicated bootable recovery software to handle the system images they create.  And none of these run within Windows when being used, because they're being used to recover a Windows instance.  (And I don't count using Windows PE, or part of it, as "running under Windows" such that a screen reader is available.)
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


locked Re: how to get Emphasis and styled text

 

Your question is far to vague to be answered.  The first thing that would be necessary information is, "in what software."

This is also not an NVDA-related question, but is about whatever software/web editor you are using, and would probably be better posed in the Chat Subgroup.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


locked how to get Emphasis and styled text

Bernd Dorer
 

Hi,

could someone tell me how to produce Text with emphasis and/or style?

A simple example would help me a lot.

Thanks
Bernd


braille ME

lali
 

Dear All!


    Is there a possibility to work the braille me display with nvda 2019.3, and later? Is there an addon, or can I install with brltty?

Thanks!

Lali


Re: Question: Are there any tutorials on backup and restore helpful for NVDA users who totally rely on speech or Braille?

John Isige
 

Has anybody tried booting Windows and recovering from there? What I mean is, if you boot off of a Windows disk, DVD/USB/whatever, as though you were installing, you can run Narrator. I wonder if you could then get out of that install, and put in the disk/whatever with your recovery program, and restore your image that way? I'm surprised Windows doesn't have tools to do this built-in, by this point.


Actually it kind of does, you could reset while keeping files or whatever it's called, though I'm not sure if that menu's accessible with Narrator yet. I know the boot menu, i.e. where you pick safe mode or what have you, isn't accessible with a screen reader. I did do an install from a Windows image mostly by myself once, I had to get my wife to help me figure out selecting from their table of options but other than that I did it, but I've never tried booting from an image and seeing what, if any, recovery options I can get. Of course this probably won't help if you're drive's messed up enough that you're doing the equivalent of a reinstall. But that's where trying to boot from a Windows install and getting to your recovery program of choice would come in.


I should add this is only for Windows 10 past certain editions, I can't recall which one but you should pretty much be able to do it by now because I think it was like Creator's or something fairly old. Yet another reason to update, if you can manage it, you're getting some spiffy new features, including Narrator in safe mode.

On 4/27/2020 13:31, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:55 PM, zahra wrote:

restoring backup is accessible
for screen readers.

In looking at the website for Drive Snapshot <http://www.drivesnapshot.de/en/>, unless you were to be restoring from within Windows, which is not what you're doing in the event of a disaster recovery like having your main disk die, I cannot see how this utility is any more accessible than any other is under those circumstances.

Virtually all of them are accessible if you're doing a recovery starting from within Windows itself, but that's not the kind of recovery that's done most often except by those who have "experimental machines" that they wish to restore to pre-experimenting state afterward.

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*/Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth./*

~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in /New York Times/ article, /How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States/ <https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-us.html>/,/September 23, 2019


Re: Question: Are there any tutorials on backup and restore helpful for NVDA users who totally rely on speech or Braille?

 

On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:55 PM, zahra wrote:
restoring backup is accessible
for screen readers.
In looking at the website for Drive Snapshot, unless you were to be restoring from within Windows, which is not what you're doing in the event of a disaster recovery like having your main disk die, I cannot see how this utility is any more accessible than any other is under those circumstances.

Virtually all of them are accessible if you're doing a recovery starting from within Windows itself, but that's not the kind of recovery that's done most often except by those who have "experimental machines" that they wish to restore to pre-experimenting state afterward.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: Question: Are there any tutorials on backup and restore helpful for NVDA users who totally rely on speech or Braille?

 

hi.
i know the excellent program that even restoring backup is accessible
for screen readers.
in the past, it was not freeware unfortunately.
i dont know about current versions of it.
the program is drive snapshot.

On 4/27/20, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
Laurie,

I have nothing on restore simply because I've never had any instance to even
try to do one with a screen reader.  Given that most recovery is done
through a dedicated bootable disk, and not Windows itself, since you are
actually trying to recover a Windows System Image, it's doubtful that there
is any way to do so with a screen reader.  If someone knows of a recovery
utility that either has a screen reader built in or that can otherwise be
made to speak I'd love to hear about it.

You could use any backup & recovery suite of your choosing, but I wrote a
tutorial several years ago on using Macrium Reflect Free to take backups.
The first page deals entirely with installing the utility, which you'll do
only once.  The second is the set of step-by-step instructions for actually
taking the backup.  In this day and age of ransomware, I do not recommend
that backup drives remain attached to a machine other than when a backup is
being taken or a recovery performed.  Any drive that's attached if
ransomware hits gets encrypted, and in the case of a backup drive that makes
having the backup pointless.

*Using Macrium Reflect Free with a Screen Reader (
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1MaK3Pe-eI8P3dRJOS2T9ulY3ykmjKlKD
)*
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Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

*Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its
platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.*

~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment
Took Hold in the United States (
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-us.html
) , September 23, 2019



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Re: Using GoToMeeting (conferencing tool) with NVDA

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

It is not very accessible when in a meeting, but you can use shortkeys to perform some actions, but they don’t give you any response. Listing of shortcuts here:

https://support.goto.com/meeting/help/use-keyboard-shortcuts-from-the-desktop-app-windows-only-g2m040026

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Montag, 27. April 2020 17:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using GoToMeeting (conferencing tool) with NVDA

 

I found it totally inaccessible when I tried it about 6 months ago with West Ham United. In the end they abandoned trying to use it with me and switched to using Team Viewer.

David Griffith

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sylvie Duchateau
Sent: 27 April 2020 16:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Using GoToMeeting (conferencing tool) with NVDA

 

Hello all,

In order to participate in a training session, I tried to test the conferencing tool GoToMeeting:

www.gotomeeting.com

But I only had access to a dialog alert. I could read its contents through object navigation and could only get connected through the help of a sighted user.

Once connected, I could not find any ways to turn on my camera, my microphone and so on.

Does anyone have experienced using this tool with NVDA?

thank you in advance for any information you can have.

Best

Sylvie


Re: navigating the participants list in a zoom meeting with NVDA?

Bruno Aníbal Prieto González
 

I recomend to use zoom web version

2020-04-27 1:57 GMT-04:00, Ralf Kefferpuetz
<ralf.kefferpuetz@...>:

This issue came up with one of their updates in the last 2 weeks. What you
can do is to maximize the participants Window so that you have as much as
possible users in your participants List visible.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Moore
Sent: Montag, 27. April 2020 02:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] navigating the participants list in a zoom meeting with
NVDA?

Hi all. so if you are in or particularly hosting a meeting with 5 or 6
participants, this doesn't seem to be an issue. However, I was in a meeting
today with 48 participants and when I open the participant list to perform
some actions on people, NVDA doesn't scrole the list properly. It seems to
be a list box but if I arrow up and down, it only shows me 6 or 7 and
doesn't wrap. I actually think this might be new as I don't remember this
being a thing a month or so ago. Has anyone figured out a good way of
making this work?


Brian.









Re: Using GoToMeeting (conferencing tool) with NVDA

Sylvie Duchateau
 

Hello David and all,

I just asked them on twitter and they answered that I should use google chrome.

This is much more accessible as the desktop app.

You have keyboard shortcuts to enable or disable your microphone, your camera and so on.

Here is the url:

https://app.gotomeeting.com/home.html

Best

Sylvie

Le 27/04/2020 à 17:30, David Griffith a écrit :

I found it totally inaccessible when I tried it about 6 months ago with West Ham United. In the end they abandoned trying to use it with me and switched to using Team Viewer.

David Griffith

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sylvie Duchateau
Sent: 27 April 2020 16:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Using GoToMeeting (conferencing tool) with NVDA

 

Hello all,

In order to participate in a training session, I tried to test the conferencing tool GoToMeeting:

www.gotomeeting.com

But I only had access to a dialog alert. I could read its contents through object navigation and could only get connected through the help of a sighted user.

Once connected, I could not find any ways to turn on my camera, my microphone and so on.

Does anyone have experienced using this tool with NVDA?

thank you in advance for any information you can have.

Best

Sylvie





Re: Using GoToMeeting (conferencing tool) with NVDA

David Griffith
 

I found it totally inaccessible when I tried it about 6 months ago with West Ham United. In the end they abandoned trying to use it with me and switched to using Team Viewer.

David Griffith

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sylvie Duchateau
Sent: 27 April 2020 16:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Using GoToMeeting (conferencing tool) with NVDA

 

Hello all,

In order to participate in a training session, I tried to test the conferencing tool GoToMeeting:

www.gotomeeting.com

But I only had access to a dialog alert. I could read its contents through object navigation and could only get connected through the help of a sighted user.

Once connected, I could not find any ways to turn on my camera, my microphone and so on.

Does anyone have experienced using this tool with NVDA?

thank you in advance for any information you can have.

Best

Sylvie


Re: Question: Are there any tutorials on backup and restore helpful for NVDA users who totally rely on speech or Braille?

 

Laurie,

            I have nothing on restore simply because I've never had any instance to even try to do one with a screen reader.  Given that most recovery is done through a dedicated bootable disk, and not Windows itself, since you are actually trying to recover a Windows System Image, it's doubtful that there is any way to do so with a screen reader.  If someone knows of a recovery utility that either has a screen reader built in or that can otherwise be made to speak I'd love to hear about it.

            You could use any backup & recovery suite of your choosing, but I wrote a tutorial several years ago on using Macrium Reflect Free to take backups.  The first page deals entirely with installing the utility, which you'll do only once.  The second is the set of step-by-step instructions for actually taking the backup.  In this day and age of ransomware, I do not recommend that backup drives remain attached to a machine other than when a backup is being taken or a recovery performed.  Any drive that's attached if ransomware hits gets encrypted, and in the case of a backup drive that makes having the backup pointless.

Using Macrium Reflect Free with a Screen Reader
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Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Using GoToMeeting (conferencing tool) with NVDA

Sylvie Duchateau
 

Hello all,

In order to participate in a training session, I tried to test the conferencing tool GoToMeeting:

www.gotomeeting.com

But I only had access to a dialog alert. I could read its contents through object navigation and could only get connected through the help of a sighted user.

Once connected, I could not find any ways to turn on my camera, my microphone and so on.

Does anyone have experienced using this tool with NVDA?

thank you in advance for any information you can have.

Best

Sylvie





Re: What'sapp on PC?

Gerardo Corripio
 

Does it matter with what browser it’s used? I heard lots of people say with the Opera browser, is very user-friendly and accessible. Hope this helps some.

 

                                                                                              Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10

 

De: Clement Chou
Enviado: domingo, 26 de abril de 2020 08:57 p. m.
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: Re: [nvda] What'sapp on PC?

 

Thanks. Saw all the keyboard shortcuts. I couldn't find an accessible

way to send audio messages, though.

 

On 4/26/20, Sean <s.tolstoyevski@...> wrote:

> Navigating between the list with the arrow keys when NVDA + space is

> pressed in the message list is like navigating the desktop.

> NVDA itself can sometimes focus on writing areas.

> I was navigating with the letter "b" to get rid of this damn thing.

> And you should read the shortcut keys from the website.

> There are good things.

> On 27/04/2020 01:16, Clement Chou wrote:

>> Just downloaded this today because I joined a couple more groups and

>> having to catch up with messages on my phone is inconvenient when I'm

>> always at my computer. Are there any tips or tricks people have found

>> for using the pc client with NVDA?

>> 

>> 

>> 

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>   * Email: seantolstoyevski@...

>     <mailto:seantolstoyevski@...>

>   * GitHub: SeanTolstoyevski <https://github.com/SeanTolstoyevski/>

> I’m student and programmer. I write often Python, sometimes Go and rare

> C++.

> I can understand Turkish and English.

>

 

 

 


locked Re: Disabling Windows update.

 

On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 06:33 AM, Emmanuel Junaid wrote:
Please, can someone tell me how to disable windows update on my pc
No, I will not, because it's an absolutely horrible idea and asking for huge troubles.  It also has nothing whatsoever to do with NVDA.  Topic Locked.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


locked Re: Disabling Windows update.

P. Otter
 

yes, it is possible, you can disable updates for 7 days.
as lon as you don't get to the updates and search for updates, you never get updates anymore.
but I'm not sure if it is
clever to do so!
in the updates of windows you find also the updates for windows defender.
So think a moment about whether you really want!
paul otter

Op 27-4-2020 om 12:33 schreef Emmanuel Junaid:

Please, can someone tell me how to disable windows update on my pc without any third-party app?