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Re: NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness

David Moore
 

I hope I am not getting off topic,

But NVDA is very sluggish when I arrow through my documents in my documents folder, for example. With JAWS, it is so snappy when I press the down arrow very quickly and hear the names of the documents. NVDA is sluggish when I arrow through a lot of any files, like a large list of music files. When I press the down arrow, I have to wait a couple of seconds for NVDA to say the name of the next folder, even in This PC. I am using latest NVDA, and Windows 10 Fall creators.

I was just curious about this.

Take care, guys!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Tyler Wood
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 7:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness

 

Hi,

Can confirm this.

I can also confirm that yes, CPU cycles have a lot to do with this.

This is also, for me at least, when explorer browsing becomes unresponsive and folders will not read. E.g. go into this pc, hit l for local disk. NVDA will say local disk © if you hit NVDA+t, but apart from that will not read the contents of the window.

I’m glad others are seeing this. I was beginning to wonder if I was the only one.

 

 

From: Gene
Sent: November 26, 2017 4:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness

 

Do other screen-readers have the same problem?  I don't that the problem has anything to do with computer power being used.  Since other activities are still performed well or reasonably quickly, it sounds to me as though the copy dialog may be covering a part of the screen these activities use or causing some sort of conflict that keeps some information from reaching NVDA.  Of course, that may be completely wrong but perhaps we'll see.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rob Hudson

Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 4:40 PM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness

 

There is a behavior in NVDA that is rather bothersome.
During a task that requires a lot of processing, such as a large file copy, a batch file conversion, or some other process that uses a lot of CPU cycles, NVDA will stop reading the alt tab list after the first entry. Hitting alt-tab produces only silence. In addition, NVDA will not read new notifications, or toasts in windows 10 parlance. GEneral responsiveness is not impacted; only th ese two situations--the alt tab and the toasts.
I do not recall if this occurs in windows 7, but can test if necessary.
What is causing this and has a fix been proposed?

 

 


Re: virtualizing the current window for further review?

John Isige
 

No, it just tries to recognize text. It can't do the Facebook "picture may contain dog" thing, I think Narrator does something like that but I've never tried it. But that's something specific to Microsoft that Narrator's built to take advantage of, I don't think other screen readers have access to it.

On 11/26/2017 17:21, Robert Mendoza wrote:
Sorry to interfere the discussion here but seemingly relevant somehow to ask. Just curious how precise does the OCR works with Windows 10 , I mean I have the installed version of the latest Windows 10 but, how could possibly extend to recognize such text or images? For the text I believe they worked but how about to particular images represent to certain docs or sites. Do they have the capability to recognize fully and how to describe the image was for, like telling to the users what exactly the images looks like.

Robert Mendoza

On 11/27/2017 6:55 AM, John Isige wrote:
NVDA-r runs either the OCR addon if you have it installed in previous versions of Windows, or Windows OCR in Windows 10. It will give you that kind of buffer-like thing if it recognizes text, yes.


On 11/26/2017 16:34, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:
and think nvda r might do it.

On 26/11/2017 20:27, John Isige wrote:
There is an addon, that gives you a hotkey.


https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/virtualRevision.en.html


On 11/26/2017 14:24, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I didn't' actually see it, but I thougth there was a keyboard hot key I could hit to do this, or am I thinking of a different screen reader.

Take care

On Nov 26, 2017, at 12:20 PM, John Isige <gwynn@tds.net> wrote:

There' an addon.


On 11/26/2017 14:19, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Is there a way of doing this? Can I hit a key stroke that will turn let's say an error window into a virtual buffer for which I can then copy to the clip board?

I thought there was a way to do this but I'm using the laptop layout.

Take care








Re: NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness

Gene
 

We'll see if the original poster has the same symptoms.  The original message said that aside from alt tabbing through program windows and having toasts read, other things were alright.  At this point, without more information, it isn't clear that the problem is the same.  I'm not saying either way; I'm saying that we don't have enough information.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Tyler Wood
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness

Hi,

Can confirm this.

I can also confirm that yes, CPU cycles have a lot to do with this.

This is also, for me at least, when explorer browsing becomes unresponsive and folders will not read. E.g. go into this pc, hit l for local disk. NVDA will say local disk © if you hit NVDA+t, but apart from that will not read the contents of the window.

I’m glad others are seeing this. I was beginning to wonder if I was the only one.

 

 

From: Gene
Sent: November 26, 2017 4:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness

 

Do other screen-readers have the same problem?  I don't that the problem has anything to do with computer power being used.  Since other activities are still performed well or reasonably quickly, it sounds to me as though the copy dialog may be covering a part of the screen these activities use or causing some sort of conflict that keeps some information from reaching NVDA.  Of course, that may be completely wrong but perhaps we'll see.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rob Hudson

Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 4:40 PM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness

 

There is a behavior in NVDA that is rather bothersome.
During a task that requires a lot of processing, such as a large file copy, a batch file conversion, or some other process that uses a lot of CPU cycles, NVDA will stop reading the alt tab list after the first entry. Hitting alt-tab produces only silence. In addition, NVDA will not read new notifications, or toasts in windows 10 parlance. GEneral responsiveness is not impacted; only th ese two situations--the alt tab and the toasts.
I do not recall if this occurs in windows 7, but can test if necessary.
What is causing this and has a fix been proposed?


 


Re: NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness

Rob Hudson
 

Tyler Wood <tcwood12@gmail.com> wrote:
Im glad others are seeing this. I was beginning to wonder if I was the only one.
There is a ticket, issue 7345, on github, on this problem. At least it isn't ignored.


Re: NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness

Tyler Wood
 

Hi,

Can confirm this.

I can also confirm that yes, CPU cycles have a lot to do with this.

This is also, for me at least, when explorer browsing becomes unresponsive and folders will not read. E.g. go into this pc, hit l for local disk. NVDA will say local disk © if you hit NVDA+t, but apart from that will not read the contents of the window.

I’m glad others are seeing this. I was beginning to wonder if I was the only one.

 

 

From: Gene
Sent: November 26, 2017 4:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness

 

Do other screen-readers have the same problem?  I don't that the problem has anything to do with computer power being used.  Since other activities are still performed well or reasonably quickly, it sounds to me as though the copy dialog may be covering a part of the screen these activities use or causing some sort of conflict that keeps some information from reaching NVDA.  Of course, that may be completely wrong but perhaps we'll see.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rob Hudson

Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 4:40 PM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness

 

There is a behavior in NVDA that is rather bothersome.
During a task that requires a lot of processing, such as a large file copy, a batch file conversion, or some other process that uses a lot of CPU cycles, NVDA will stop reading the alt tab list after the first entry. Hitting alt-tab produces only silence. In addition, NVDA will not read new notifications, or toasts in windows 10 parlance. GEneral responsiveness is not impacted; only th ese two situations--the alt tab and the toasts.
I do not recall if this occurs in windows 7, but can test if necessary.
What is causing this and has a fix been proposed?


 


Re: virtualizing the current window for further review?

Robert Mendoza
 

Sorry to interfere the discussion here but seemingly relevant somehow to ask.  Just curious how precise does the OCR works with Windows 10 , I mean I have the installed version of the latest Windows 10 but, how could possibly extend to recognize such text or images? For the text I believe they worked but how about to particular images represent to certain docs or sites. Do they have the capability to recognize fully and how to describe the image was for, like telling to the users what exactly the images looks like.

Robert Mendoza

On 11/27/2017 6:55 AM, John Isige wrote:
NVDA-r runs either the OCR addon if you have it installed in previous versions of Windows, or Windows OCR in Windows 10. It will give you that kind of buffer-like thing if it recognizes text, yes.


On 11/26/2017 16:34, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:
and think nvda r might do it.

On 26/11/2017 20:27, John Isige wrote:
There is an addon, that gives you a hotkey.


https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/virtualRevision.en.html


On 11/26/2017 14:24, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I didn't' actually see it, but  I thougth there was a  keyboard hot key I could hit to do this, or am I thinking of a different screen reader.

Take care

On Nov 26, 2017, at 12:20 PM, John Isige <gwynn@tds.net> wrote:

There' an addon.


On 11/26/2017 14:19, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Is there  a way of doing this? Can I hit a key stroke that will turn let's say an error window into a virtual buffer for which I can then copy to the clip board?

I thought there was a way to do this but I'm using the laptop layout.

Take care







Re: what NVDA echos

Tyler Spivey
 

Maybe disabling the user dictionary will work.

To answer your question from earlier, that entry only effects the given
example and ones like it - a number followed by a space and a letter.

On 11/26/2017 3:12 PM, John Isige wrote:
It actually has nothing whatsoever about abbreviation expansion, but I
disabled the user dictionary. I don't think that will matter since the
user dictionary seems to be empty. I also unchecked emoticon processing
or whatever it is, so we'll see. The only thing that's checked is pauses
for intonation.


On 11/26/2017 17:08, Tyler Spivey wrote:
If you're using CodeFactory Eloquence, check in its control panel for
things like abbreviation expansion and uncheck it. I know the Android
one has it.
On 11/26/2017 3:02 PM, John Isige wrote:
Will that kill all expansion or just this case? I don't think you can
turn expansion off for Eloquence but I'd love to. I'd rather hear dee-ar
than have it try to expand things.


On 11/26/2017 16:58, Tyler Spivey wrote:
This is mostly the synthesizer, though NVDA is also part of the
problem.
Some synthesizers allow this to be turned off. I don't know if OneCore
Does (maybe somewhere in the SSML spec), but I know Eloquence does.
Whether the screen reader does this, or lets you do this, is another
issue.

Here's my best guess at what's happening and how you can fix it, at
least for this example and OneCore.
Original text:
1/2 cup flour
If we send that directly to the synthesizer through the Python console,
we get "one half cup flour".
So we know the synthesizer can say it properly.
NVDA takes that text and performs symbol processing. So we get:
1 slash 2 cup flour
2 cup is not a valid English expression, but it's a valid currency. At
this point, the synth doesn't know that the expanded "1 slash" is part
of the number of cups anymore, so it guesses you want 2 Cuban pesos.
Other currencies also convert: 2 cad, 2 usd, etc.
However, if we write:
2  cup, 2  cad, 2  usd
with an extra space between the number and the word, then the
abbreviations don't expand.

If you can deal with none of these expanding (including months, for
example 1 jan), add this dictionary entry:
Match: (\d) (\w)
Replace: \1  \2
Type: Regular expression

On 11/26/2017 12:32 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,

One way to find out: try it with Espeak NG set as the synthesizer.

Cheers,

Joseph

  *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On
Behalf Of
*Dan Beaver
*Sent:* Sunday, November 26, 2017 12:25 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos

  Hi Gene,

  I too am seeing the same weirdness.  I am running NVDA 2017-3 and
the MS
One core voice David.  It is reading cup from his email as Cuban
Pesos.
He had it spelled with lower case letters and still it says Cuban
Pesos.

  This is not the only weirdness i have experienced in several of the
synthesizers.  This is also not the only word that it says in a
strange
way.  I tend to fix them by making speech dictionary changes to
correct
them.  I have tried to find the offending dictionary entries so I
could
just remove them but have not been able to find one in most cases.

  Hope this helps.

  Dan Beaver

  On 11/26/2017 2:38 PM, Gene wrote:

      If cup is the abbreviation for Cuban pesos, adding an s may
cause it
      not to be recognized since it isn't the correct form.  Are you
      objecting to the slash or the Cuban Pesos?  How is your
punctuation
      set?  You will have to set it to none not to hear the slash.

            Also, let's be sure nothing is being overlooked.  It is
unlikely
      that the word cup would be read as Cuban pesos by any
synthesizer or
      screen-reader.  If it were, then any time the word cup were
found in
      text, it would be read as Cuban pesos as in "My Cuban pesos
runneth
      over."  So check the recipe.  How, exactly is it written?  Is it
      written as cup or as cp?  Is it small letters or capitalized?


      Gene

      *From:* Brice Mijares <mailto:bricemijares@att.net>

      *Sent:* Sunday, November 26, 2017 1:07 PM

      *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

      *Subject:* Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos

            Well I removed decaccess32 and using the one core voice
David
and still
      hearing 1 slash 2 cuban pesos flour. for the following line.
      1/2 cup flour.
      And if I add s to cup, it says it correctly.  Stilled baffled!

      On 11/26/2017 10:35 AM, John Isige wrote:
      > I don't hear that, it reads fine for me. But with SAPI 5 Code
Factory
      > Eloquence, HTML headings can get pretty messed up, e.g. if
heading
      one
      > is Mary it will read as like "March stwan Mary", because it's
      > interpreting the heading number as a date, I think. So you can
get
      some
      > odd stuff, depending on the synth you're using.
      >
      >
      > On 11/26/2017 12:08, Joseph Lee wrote:
      >> Hi,
      >> Depends on the route you took to obtain that synthesizer (if
it's
      the
      >> one I'm thinking of).
      >> Cheers,
      >> Joseph
      >>
      >> -----Original Message-----
      >> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
      [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
      >> Brice Mijares
      >> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:48 AM
      >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
      >> Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos
      >>
      >> Do you recommend removing access 32? Also, I have speech rate
set at
      >> 90 and it's still slow. Thank you.
      >>
      >> On 11/26/2017 9:41 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
      >>> Hi,
      >>> I'm thinking Espeak NG won't have this problem for now. Most
of the
      >>> things you hear (well, for cases like the one outlined
below) is
      >>> controlled by speech synthesizers.
      >>> Cheers,
      >>> Joseph
      >>>
      >>> -----Original Message-----
      >>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
      [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
      >>> Brice Mijares
      >>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:36 AM
      >>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
      >>> Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos
      >>>
      >>> I think access 32 with one core voice David, I think. Thank
you.
      >>>
      >>> On 11/26/2017 9:30 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
      >>>> Hi,
      >>>> What synthesizer are you using?
      >>>> Cheers,
      >>>> Joseph
      >>>>
      >>>> -----Original Message-----
      >>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
      [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
      >>>> Brice Mijares
      >>>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:10 AM
      >>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
      >>>> Subject: [nvda] what NVDA echos
      >>>>
      >>>> The next line ,
      >>>> 1/2 cup flour
      >>>> is echoed by NVDA as 1 slash 2 Cuban pesos flour. Does
anyone else
      >>>> using NVDA hear it that way? I am baffled.
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >

 





Re: what NVDA echos

John Isige
 

It actually has nothing whatsoever about abbreviation expansion, but I disabled the user dictionary. I don't think that will matter since the user dictionary seems to be empty. I also unchecked emoticon processing or whatever it is, so we'll see. The only thing that's checked is pauses for intonation.

On 11/26/2017 17:08, Tyler Spivey wrote:
If you're using CodeFactory Eloquence, check in its control panel for
things like abbreviation expansion and uncheck it. I know the Android
one has it.
On 11/26/2017 3:02 PM, John Isige wrote:
Will that kill all expansion or just this case? I don't think you can
turn expansion off for Eloquence but I'd love to. I'd rather hear dee-ar
than have it try to expand things.


On 11/26/2017 16:58, Tyler Spivey wrote:
This is mostly the synthesizer, though NVDA is also part of the problem.
Some synthesizers allow this to be turned off. I don't know if OneCore
Does (maybe somewhere in the SSML spec), but I know Eloquence does.
Whether the screen reader does this, or lets you do this, is another
issue.

Here's my best guess at what's happening and how you can fix it, at
least for this example and OneCore.
Original text:
1/2 cup flour
If we send that directly to the synthesizer through the Python console,
we get "one half cup flour".
So we know the synthesizer can say it properly.
NVDA takes that text and performs symbol processing. So we get:
1 slash 2 cup flour
2 cup is not a valid English expression, but it's a valid currency. At
this point, the synth doesn't know that the expanded "1 slash" is part
of the number of cups anymore, so it guesses you want 2 Cuban pesos.
Other currencies also convert: 2 cad, 2 usd, etc.
However, if we write:
2 cup, 2 cad, 2 usd
with an extra space between the number and the word, then the
abbreviations don't expand.

If you can deal with none of these expanding (including months, for
example 1 jan), add this dictionary entry:
Match: (\d) (\w)
Replace: \1 \2
Type: Regular expression

On 11/26/2017 12:32 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,

One way to find out: try it with Espeak NG set as the synthesizer.

Cheers,

Joseph

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Dan Beaver
*Sent:* Sunday, November 26, 2017 12:25 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos

Hi Gene,

I too am seeing the same weirdness. I am running NVDA 2017-3 and the MS
One core voice David. It is reading cup from his email as Cuban Pesos.
He had it spelled with lower case letters and still it says Cuban Pesos.

This is not the only weirdness i have experienced in several of the
synthesizers. This is also not the only word that it says in a strange
way. I tend to fix them by making speech dictionary changes to correct
them. I have tried to find the offending dictionary entries so I could
just remove them but have not been able to find one in most cases.

Hope this helps.

Dan Beaver

On 11/26/2017 2:38 PM, Gene wrote:

If cup is the abbreviation for Cuban pesos, adding an s may
cause it
not to be recognized since it isn't the correct form. Are you
objecting to the slash or the Cuban Pesos? How is your punctuation
set? You will have to set it to none not to hear the slash.

Also, let's be sure nothing is being overlooked. It is unlikely
that the word cup would be read as Cuban pesos by any
synthesizer or
screen-reader. If it were, then any time the word cup were
found in
text, it would be read as Cuban pesos as in "My Cuban pesos runneth
over." So check the recipe. How, exactly is it written? Is it
written as cup or as cp? Is it small letters or capitalized?


Gene

*From:* Brice Mijares <mailto:bricemijares@att.net>

*Sent:* Sunday, November 26, 2017 1:07 PM

*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:* Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos

Well I removed decaccess32 and using the one core voice David
and still
hearing 1 slash 2 cuban pesos flour. for the following line.
1/2 cup flour.
And if I add s to cup, it says it correctly. Stilled baffled!

On 11/26/2017 10:35 AM, John Isige wrote:
> I don't hear that, it reads fine for me. But with SAPI 5 Code
Factory
> Eloquence, HTML headings can get pretty messed up, e.g. if
heading
one
> is Mary it will read as like "March stwan Mary", because it's
> interpreting the heading number as a date, I think. So you can
get
some
> odd stuff, depending on the synth you're using.
>
>
> On 11/26/2017 12:08, Joseph Lee wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Depends on the route you took to obtain that synthesizer (if
it's
the
>> one I'm thinking of).
>> Cheers,
>> Joseph
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Brice Mijares
>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:48 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos
>>
>> Do you recommend removing access 32? Also, I have speech rate
set at
>> 90 and it's still slow. Thank you.
>>
>> On 11/26/2017 9:41 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I'm thinking Espeak NG won't have this problem for now. Most
of the
>>> things you hear (well, for cases like the one outlined
below) is
>>> controlled by speech synthesizers.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Joseph
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>> Brice Mijares
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:36 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos
>>>
>>> I think access 32 with one core voice David, I think. Thank
you.
>>>
>>> On 11/26/2017 9:30 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> What synthesizer are you using?
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Joseph
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>>> Brice Mijares
>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:10 AM
>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>> Subject: [nvda] what NVDA echos
>>>>
>>>> The next line ,
>>>> 1/2 cup flour
>>>> is echoed by NVDA as 1 slash 2 Cuban pesos flour. Does
anyone else
>>>> using NVDA hear it that way? I am baffled.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>



Re: what NVDA echos

Tyler Spivey
 

If you're using CodeFactory Eloquence, check in its control panel for
things like abbreviation expansion and uncheck it. I know the Android
one has it.

On 11/26/2017 3:02 PM, John Isige wrote:
Will that kill all expansion or just this case? I don't think you can
turn expansion off for Eloquence but I'd love to. I'd rather hear dee-ar
than have it try to expand things.


On 11/26/2017 16:58, Tyler Spivey wrote:
This is mostly the synthesizer, though NVDA is also part of the problem.
Some synthesizers allow this to be turned off. I don't know if OneCore
Does (maybe somewhere in the SSML spec), but I know Eloquence does.
Whether the screen reader does this, or lets you do this, is another
issue.

Here's my best guess at what's happening and how you can fix it, at
least for this example and OneCore.
Original text:
1/2 cup flour
If we send that directly to the synthesizer through the Python console,
we get "one half cup flour".
So we know the synthesizer can say it properly.
NVDA takes that text and performs symbol processing. So we get:
1 slash 2 cup flour
2 cup is not a valid English expression, but it's a valid currency. At
this point, the synth doesn't know that the expanded "1 slash" is part
of the number of cups anymore, so it guesses you want 2 Cuban pesos.
Other currencies also convert: 2 cad, 2 usd, etc.
However, if we write:
2  cup, 2  cad, 2  usd
with an extra space between the number and the word, then the
abbreviations don't expand.

If you can deal with none of these expanding (including months, for
example 1 jan), add this dictionary entry:
Match: (\d) (\w)
Replace: \1  \2
Type: Regular expression

On 11/26/2017 12:32 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,

One way to find out: try it with Espeak NG set as the synthesizer.

Cheers,

Joseph

 
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Dan Beaver
*Sent:* Sunday, November 26, 2017 12:25 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos

 
Hi Gene,

 
I too am seeing the same weirdness.  I am running NVDA 2017-3 and the MS
One core voice David.  It is reading cup from his email as Cuban Pesos.
He had it spelled with lower case letters and still it says Cuban Pesos.

 
This is not the only weirdness i have experienced in several of the
synthesizers.  This is also not the only word that it says in a strange
way.  I tend to fix them by making speech dictionary changes to correct
them.  I have tried to find the offending dictionary entries so I could
just remove them but have not been able to find one in most cases.

 
Hope this helps.

 
Dan Beaver

 
On 11/26/2017 2:38 PM, Gene wrote:

     If cup is the abbreviation for Cuban pesos, adding an s may
cause it
     not to be recognized since it isn't the correct form.  Are you
     objecting to the slash or the Cuban Pesos?  How is your punctuation
     set?  You will have to set it to none not to hear the slash.

     
     Also, let's be sure nothing is being overlooked.  It is unlikely
     that the word cup would be read as Cuban pesos by any
synthesizer or
     screen-reader.  If it were, then any time the word cup were
found in
     text, it would be read as Cuban pesos as in "My Cuban pesos runneth
     over."  So check the recipe.  How, exactly is it written?  Is it
     written as cup or as cp?  Is it small letters or capitalized?


     Gene

     *From:* Brice Mijares <mailto:bricemijares@att.net>

     *Sent:* Sunday, November 26, 2017 1:07 PM

     *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

     *Subject:* Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos

     
     Well I removed decaccess32 and using the one core voice David
and still
     hearing 1 slash 2 cuban pesos flour. for the following line.
     1/2 cup flour.
     And if I add s to cup, it says it correctly.  Stilled baffled!

     On 11/26/2017 10:35 AM, John Isige wrote:
     > I don't hear that, it reads fine for me. But with SAPI 5 Code
Factory
     > Eloquence, HTML headings can get pretty messed up, e.g. if
heading
     one
     > is Mary it will read as like "March stwan Mary", because it's
     > interpreting the heading number as a date, I think. So you can
get
     some
     > odd stuff, depending on the synth you're using.
     >
     >
     > On 11/26/2017 12:08, Joseph Lee wrote:
     >> Hi,
     >> Depends on the route you took to obtain that synthesizer (if
it's
     the
     >> one I'm thinking of).
     >> Cheers,
     >> Joseph
     >>
     >> -----Original Message-----
     >> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
     [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
     >> Brice Mijares
     >> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:48 AM
     >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
     >> Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos
     >>
     >> Do you recommend removing access 32? Also, I have speech rate
set at
     >> 90 and it's still slow. Thank you.
     >>
     >> On 11/26/2017 9:41 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
     >>> Hi,
     >>> I'm thinking Espeak NG won't have this problem for now. Most
of the
     >>> things you hear (well, for cases like the one outlined
below) is
     >>> controlled by speech synthesizers.
     >>> Cheers,
     >>> Joseph
     >>>
     >>> -----Original Message-----
     >>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
     [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
     >>> Brice Mijares
     >>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:36 AM
     >>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
     >>> Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos
     >>>
     >>> I think access 32 with one core voice David, I think. Thank
you.
     >>>
     >>> On 11/26/2017 9:30 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
     >>>> Hi,
     >>>> What synthesizer are you using?
     >>>> Cheers,
     >>>> Joseph
     >>>>
     >>>> -----Original Message-----
     >>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
     [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
     >>>> Brice Mijares
     >>>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:10 AM
     >>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
     >>>> Subject: [nvda] what NVDA echos
     >>>>
     >>>> The next line ,
     >>>> 1/2 cup flour
     >>>> is echoed by NVDA as 1 slash 2 Cuban pesos flour. Does
anyone else
     >>>> using NVDA hear it that way? I am baffled.
     >>>>
     >>>>
     >>>>
     >>>>
     >>>>
     >>>>
     >>>>
     >>>
     >>>
     >>>
     >>>
     >>>
     >>>
     >>
     >>
     >>
     >>
     >>
     >>
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >

 




Re: what NVDA echos

John Isige
 

Will that kill all expansion or just this case? I don't think you can turn expansion off for Eloquence but I'd love to. I'd rather hear dee-ar than have it try to expand things.

On 11/26/2017 16:58, Tyler Spivey wrote:
This is mostly the synthesizer, though NVDA is also part of the problem.
Some synthesizers allow this to be turned off. I don't know if OneCore
Does (maybe somewhere in the SSML spec), but I know Eloquence does.
Whether the screen reader does this, or lets you do this, is another issue.

Here's my best guess at what's happening and how you can fix it, at
least for this example and OneCore.
Original text:
1/2 cup flour
If we send that directly to the synthesizer through the Python console,
we get "one half cup flour".
So we know the synthesizer can say it properly.
NVDA takes that text and performs symbol processing. So we get:
1 slash 2 cup flour
2 cup is not a valid English expression, but it's a valid currency. At
this point, the synth doesn't know that the expanded "1 slash" is part
of the number of cups anymore, so it guesses you want 2 Cuban pesos.
Other currencies also convert: 2 cad, 2 usd, etc.
However, if we write:
2 cup, 2 cad, 2 usd
with an extra space between the number and the word, then the
abbreviations don't expand.

If you can deal with none of these expanding (including months, for
example 1 jan), add this dictionary entry:
Match: (\d) (\w)
Replace: \1 \2
Type: Regular expression

On 11/26/2017 12:32 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,

One way to find out: try it with Espeak NG set as the synthesizer.

Cheers,

Joseph


*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Dan Beaver
*Sent:* Sunday, November 26, 2017 12:25 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos


Hi Gene,


I too am seeing the same weirdness. I am running NVDA 2017-3 and the MS
One core voice David. It is reading cup from his email as Cuban Pesos.
He had it spelled with lower case letters and still it says Cuban Pesos.


This is not the only weirdness i have experienced in several of the
synthesizers. This is also not the only word that it says in a strange
way. I tend to fix them by making speech dictionary changes to correct
them. I have tried to find the offending dictionary entries so I could
just remove them but have not been able to find one in most cases.


Hope this helps.


Dan Beaver


On 11/26/2017 2:38 PM, Gene wrote:

If cup is the abbreviation for Cuban pesos, adding an s may cause it
not to be recognized since it isn't the correct form. Are you
objecting to the slash or the Cuban Pesos? How is your punctuation
set? You will have to set it to none not to hear the slash.


Also, let's be sure nothing is being overlooked. It is unlikely
that the word cup would be read as Cuban pesos by any synthesizer or
screen-reader. If it were, then any time the word cup were found in
text, it would be read as Cuban pesos as in "My Cuban pesos runneth
over." So check the recipe. How, exactly is it written? Is it
written as cup or as cp? Is it small letters or capitalized?


Gene

*From:* Brice Mijares <mailto:bricemijares@att.net>

*Sent:* Sunday, November 26, 2017 1:07 PM

*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:* Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos


Well I removed decaccess32 and using the one core voice David and still
hearing 1 slash 2 cuban pesos flour. for the following line.
1/2 cup flour.
And if I add s to cup, it says it correctly. Stilled baffled!

On 11/26/2017 10:35 AM, John Isige wrote:
> I don't hear that, it reads fine for me. But with SAPI 5 Code Factory
> Eloquence, HTML headings can get pretty messed up, e.g. if heading
one
> is Mary it will read as like "March stwan Mary", because it's
> interpreting the heading number as a date, I think. So you can get
some
> odd stuff, depending on the synth you're using.
>
>
> On 11/26/2017 12:08, Joseph Lee wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Depends on the route you took to obtain that synthesizer (if it's
the
>> one I'm thinking of).
>> Cheers,
>> Joseph
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Brice Mijares
>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:48 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos
>>
>> Do you recommend removing access 32? Also, I have speech rate set at
>> 90 and it's still slow. Thank you.
>>
>> On 11/26/2017 9:41 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I'm thinking Espeak NG won't have this problem for now. Most of the
>>> things you hear (well, for cases like the one outlined below) is
>>> controlled by speech synthesizers.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Joseph
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>> Brice Mijares
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:36 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos
>>>
>>> I think access 32 with one core voice David, I think. Thank you.
>>>
>>> On 11/26/2017 9:30 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> What synthesizer are you using?
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Joseph
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>>> Brice Mijares
>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:10 AM
>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>> Subject: [nvda] what NVDA echos
>>>>
>>>> The next line ,
>>>> 1/2 cup flour
>>>> is echoed by NVDA as 1 slash 2 Cuban pesos flour. Does anyone else
>>>> using NVDA hear it that way? I am baffled.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>



Re: what NVDA echos

Tyler Spivey
 

This is mostly the synthesizer, though NVDA is also part of the problem.
Some synthesizers allow this to be turned off. I don't know if OneCore
Does (maybe somewhere in the SSML spec), but I know Eloquence does.
Whether the screen reader does this, or lets you do this, is another issue.

Here's my best guess at what's happening and how you can fix it, at
least for this example and OneCore.
Original text:
1/2 cup flour
If we send that directly to the synthesizer through the Python console,
we get "one half cup flour".
So we know the synthesizer can say it properly.
NVDA takes that text and performs symbol processing. So we get:
1 slash 2 cup flour
2 cup is not a valid English expression, but it's a valid currency. At
this point, the synth doesn't know that the expanded "1 slash" is part
of the number of cups anymore, so it guesses you want 2 Cuban pesos.
Other currencies also convert: 2 cad, 2 usd, etc.
However, if we write:
2 cup, 2 cad, 2 usd
with an extra space between the number and the word, then the
abbreviations don't expand.

If you can deal with none of these expanding (including months, for
example 1 jan), add this dictionary entry:
Match: (\d) (\w)
Replace: \1 \2
Type: Regular expression

On 11/26/2017 12:32 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,

One way to find out: try it with Espeak NG set as the synthesizer.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Dan Beaver
*Sent:* Sunday, November 26, 2017 12:25 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos

 

Hi Gene,

 

I too am seeing the same weirdness.  I am running NVDA 2017-3 and the MS
One core voice David.  It is reading cup from his email as Cuban Pesos. 
He had it spelled with lower case letters and still it says Cuban Pesos.

 

This is not the only weirdness i have experienced in several of the
synthesizers.  This is also not the only word that it says in a strange
way.  I tend to fix them by making speech dictionary changes to correct
them.  I have tried to find the offending dictionary entries so I could
just remove them but have not been able to find one in most cases.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Dan Beaver

 

On 11/26/2017 2:38 PM, Gene wrote:

If cup is the abbreviation for Cuban pesos, adding an s may cause it
not to be recognized since it isn't the correct form.  Are you
objecting to the slash or the Cuban Pesos?  How is your punctuation
set?  You will have to set it to none not to hear the slash. 

 

Also, let's be sure nothing is being overlooked.  It is unlikely
that the word cup would be read as Cuban pesos by any synthesizer or
screen-reader.  If it were, then any time the word cup were found in
text, it would be read as Cuban pesos as in "My Cuban pesos runneth
over."  So check the recipe.  How, exactly is it written?  Is it
written as cup or as cp?  Is it small letters or capitalized? 


Gene

*From:* Brice Mijares <mailto:bricemijares@att.net>

*Sent:* Sunday, November 26, 2017 1:07 PM

*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:* Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos

 

Well I removed decaccess32 and using the one core voice David and still
hearing 1 slash 2 cuban pesos flour. for the following line.
1/2 cup flour.
And if I add s to cup, it says it correctly.  Stilled baffled!

On 11/26/2017 10:35 AM, John Isige wrote:
> I don't hear that, it reads fine for me. But with SAPI 5 Code Factory
> Eloquence, HTML headings can get pretty messed up, e.g. if heading
one
> is Mary it will read as like "March stwan Mary", because it's
> interpreting the heading number as a date, I think. So you can get
some
> odd stuff, depending on the synth you're using.
>
>
> On 11/26/2017 12:08, Joseph Lee wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Depends on the route you took to obtain that synthesizer (if it's
the
>> one I'm thinking of).
>> Cheers,
>> Joseph
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Brice Mijares
>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:48 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos
>>
>> Do you recommend removing access 32? Also, I have speech rate set at
>> 90 and it's still slow. Thank you.
>>
>> On 11/26/2017 9:41 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I'm thinking Espeak NG won't have this problem for now. Most of the
>>> things you hear (well, for cases like the one outlined below) is
>>> controlled by speech synthesizers.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Joseph
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>> Brice Mijares
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:36 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos
>>>
>>> I think access 32 with one core voice David, I think. Thank you.
>>>
>>> On 11/26/2017 9:30 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> What synthesizer are you using?
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Joseph
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>>> Brice Mijares
>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:10 AM
>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>> Subject: [nvda] what NVDA echos
>>>>
>>>> The next line ,
>>>> 1/2 cup flour
>>>> is echoed by NVDA as 1 slash 2 Cuban pesos flour. Does anyone else
>>>> using NVDA hear it that way? I am baffled.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>

 


Re: virtualizing the current window for further review?

John Isige
 

NVDA-r runs either the OCR addon if you have it installed in previous versions of Windows, or Windows OCR in Windows 10. It will give you that kind of buffer-like thing if it recognizes text, yes.

On 11/26/2017 16:34, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:
and think nvda r might do it.

On 26/11/2017 20:27, John Isige wrote:
There is an addon, that gives you a hotkey.


https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/virtualRevision.en.html


On 11/26/2017 14:24, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I didn't' actually see it, but I thougth there was a keyboard hot key I could hit to do this, or am I thinking of a different screen reader.

Take care

On Nov 26, 2017, at 12:20 PM, John Isige <gwynn@tds.net> wrote:

There' an addon.


On 11/26/2017 14:19, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Is there a way of doing this? Can I hit a key stroke that will turn let's say an error window into a virtual buffer for which I can then copy to the clip board?

I thought there was a way to do this but I'm using the laptop layout.

Take care





Re: NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness

Gene
 

Do other screen-readers have the same problem?  I don't that the problem has anything to do with computer power being used.  Since other activities are still performed well or reasonably quickly, it sounds to me as though the copy dialog may be covering a part of the screen these activities use or causing some sort of conflict that keeps some information from reaching NVDA.  Of course, that may be completely wrong but perhaps we'll see.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Hudson
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 4:40 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness

There is a behavior in NVDA that is rather bothersome.
During a task that requires a lot of processing, such as a large file copy, a batch file conversion, or some other process that uses a lot of CPU cycles, NVDA will stop reading the alt tab list after the first entry. Hitting alt-tab produces only silence. In addition, NVDA will not read new notifications, or toasts in windows 10 parlance. GEneral responsiveness is not impacted; only th ese two situations--the alt tab and the toasts.
I do not recall if this occurs in windows 7, but can test if necessary.
What is causing this and has a fix been proposed?




NVDA Situational Unresponsiveness

Rob Hudson
 

There is a behavior in NVDA that is rather bothersome.
During a task that requires a lot of processing, such as a large file copy, a batch file conversion, or some other process that uses a lot of CPU cycles, NVDA will stop reading the alt tab list after the first entry. Hitting alt-tab produces only silence. In addition, NVDA will not read new notifications, or toasts in windows 10 parlance. GEneral responsiveness is not impacted; only th ese two situations--the alt tab and the toasts.
I do not recall if this occurs in windows 7, but can test if necessary.
What is causing this and has a fix been proposed?


Re: virtualizing the current window for further review?

Kevin Cussick
 

and think nvda r might do it.

On 26/11/2017 20:27, John Isige wrote:
There is an addon, that gives you a hotkey.
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/virtualRevision.en.html
On 11/26/2017 14:24, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I didn't' actually see it, but  I thougth there was a  keyboard hot key I could hit to do this, or am I thinking of a different screen reader.

Take care

On Nov 26, 2017, at 12:20 PM, John Isige <gwynn@tds.net> wrote:

There' an addon.


On 11/26/2017 14:19, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Is there  a way of doing this? Can I hit a key stroke that will turn let's say an error window into a virtual buffer for which I can then copy to the clip board?

I thought there was a way to do this but I'm using the laptop layout.

Take care



Re: FW: [win10] nvda, and tutorials

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


I just went looking for guides etc done by users etc on both the community website and the nv access website do you reckon i could find them easily?


I think it was quicker for me to do a search with google.


I did go to the cummunity link but way down the page past all the other stuff there was a link to the https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/Guides

New users would not really have a idea to do that unless they were taken straight to that page.


I think I would rather just be pointed straight to the page from nvda.


I did also look under the nvaccess page as well i could find some info under the get help sectionot the guides.

plus the shop was easy to find. But I think maybe a couple of other sections could go there 2 to make it easier for people to find the type of info by people of the community.

.


Gene nz



On 11/22/2017 10:42 AM, Tony Ballou wrote:
Hi,


Just my take but I think this is a great idea to have that as well as 
links to the accessibility central website is there is a myriad of 
tutorials and information about NVDA there. Think of it as a one-stop shop.


Tony


On 11/20/2017 8:07 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi Quentin,
Any thoughts on this?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: win10@win10.groups.io [mailto:win10@win10.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 5:05 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] nvda, and tutorials

Hi.

It seems to me with all the drama going on on here that a few things need to happen.

Firstly if there isn't a tutorials page on the nvda wiki maybe it needs to be visible, maybe as part of the support page  or download page or even main pages you should have links to the user guide, audio demos of features, audio and text tutorials maybe some sort of faq to.

It would really cut down on all the drama on here if someone wants to fine a tutorial that we can give a centralised location where all links to tutorials on and off site are placed.

Its only a suggestion, I am unsure how to make it a formal proposal but it would be a good way to make most of this stuff go away and would be generally good.

If this stuff exists deep down somewhere maybe it could be brought together somewhere and if someone has a lot of it somewhere else then it should be linked in this central location to.












--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: closing tabs under Chrome with NVDA

Dan Beaver
 

Well, under Firefox ctrl+f4 closes the tab I am currently viewing.  ctrl+w closes the browser.  I have never tried using ctrl+w under Firefox before now.


Under Chrome ctrl+f4 closes the browser and ctrl+w closes the current tab if I have multiple tabs open.


Dan Beaver


On 11/26/2017 2:42 PM, Gene wrote:
What does control w do?  If you have multiple windows opened in other programs, what does control f4 and control w do?
 
Gene

From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] closing tabs under Chrome with NVDA

Wow! Maybe there is something wrong with my system.  I have tried this lots of times because of my habit from using Firefox.  But no matter how many tabs I have open it always closes all of them and terminates Chrome.


Oh well.


Dan Beaver


On 11/26/2017 2:07 PM, Gene wrote:
I don't know why control f4 closes the program when there are multiple tabs opened.  Here, it closes the tab I'm in and nothing else.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] closing tabs under Chrome with NVDA

Actually, with multiple tabs open ctrl+f4 closes all tabs.  That is why I was trying to find out what would close just one tab.  It acts like alt+f4 and that surprised me.


Dan Beaver


On 11/26/2017 10:07 AM, Christopher Bartlett wrote:
CTRL-F4 does indeed work.  In fact ctrl-w used to do something else in chrome, so if it works now, it's a change.
Chris


On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:
Which is the same for Firefox i seem to recall.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Adriani Botez" <adriani.botez@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] closing tabs under Chrome with NVDA


Ctrl + w

Best
Adriani


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 25.11.2017 um 15:08 schrieb Dan Beaver <dbeaver888@...>:

Hi,



How do I do this?  I can close the entire browser but not just a tab.  I don't see a way in the help either.



Thanks.



Dan Beaver








--
Christopher Bartlett




Re: virtualizing the current window for further review?

 

Hi,
You might be thinking of both: a different screen reader which does provide
a command to do it, and an NVDA add-on that simu8lates it. Actually, come to
think of it, there is a third way (with NVDA 2017.3 and later), but if NVDA
can cope with invisible objects on screen.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sarah k
Alawami
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 12:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] virtualizing the current window for further review?

I didn't' actually see it, but I thougth there was a keyboard hot key I
could hit to do this, or am I thinking of a different screen reader.

Take care

On Nov 26, 2017, at 12:20 PM, John Isige <gwynn@tds.net> wrote:

There' an addon.


On 11/26/2017 14:19, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Is there a way of doing this? Can I hit a key stroke that will turn
let's say an error window into a virtual buffer for which I can then copy to
the clip board?

I thought there was a way to do this but I'm using the laptop layout.

Take care



Re: what NVDA echos

 

Hi,

One way to find out: try it with Espeak NG set as the synthesizer.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 12:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos

 

Hi Gene,

 

I too am seeing the same weirdness.  I am running NVDA 2017-3 and the MS One core voice David.  It is reading cup from his email as Cuban Pesos.  He had it spelled with lower case letters and still it says Cuban Pesos.

 

This is not the only weirdness i have experienced in several of the synthesizers.  This is also not the only word that it says in a strange way.  I tend to fix them by making speech dictionary changes to correct them.  I have tried to find the offending dictionary entries so I could just remove them but have not been able to find one in most cases.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Dan Beaver

 

On 11/26/2017 2:38 PM, Gene wrote:

If cup is the abbreviation for Cuban pesos, adding an s may cause it not to be recognized since it isn't the correct form.  Are you objecting to the slash or the Cuban Pesos?  How is your punctuation set?  You will have to set it to none not to hear the slash. 

 

Also, let's be sure nothing is being overlooked.  It is unlikely that the word cup would be read as Cuban pesos by any synthesizer or screen-reader.  If it were, then any time the word cup were found in text, it would be read as Cuban pesos as in "My Cuban pesos runneth over."  So check the recipe.  How, exactly is it written?  Is it written as cup or as cp?  Is it small letters or capitalized? 


Gene

Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 1:07 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos

 

Well I removed decaccess32 and using the one core voice David and still
hearing 1 slash 2 cuban pesos flour. for the following line.
1/2 cup flour.
And if I add s to cup, it says it correctly.  Stilled baffled!

On 11/26/2017 10:35 AM, John Isige wrote:
> I don't hear that, it reads fine for me. But with SAPI 5 Code Factory
> Eloquence, HTML headings can get pretty messed up, e.g. if heading one
> is Mary it will read as like "March stwan Mary", because it's
> interpreting the heading number as a date, I think. So you can get some
> odd stuff, depending on the synth you're using.
>
>
> On 11/26/2017 12:08, Joseph Lee wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Depends on the route you took to obtain that synthesizer (if it's the
>> one I'm thinking of).
>> Cheers,
>> Joseph
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Brice Mijares
>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:48 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos
>>
>> Do you recommend removing access 32? Also, I have speech rate set at
>> 90 and it's still slow. Thank you.
>>
>> On 11/26/2017 9:41 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I'm thinking Espeak NG won't have this problem for now. Most of the
>>> things you hear (well, for cases like the one outlined below) is
>>> controlled by speech synthesizers.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Joseph
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>> Brice Mijares
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:36 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] what NVDA echos
>>>
>>> I think access 32 with one core voice David, I think. Thank you.
>>>
>>> On 11/26/2017 9:30 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> What synthesizer are you using?
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Joseph
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>>> Brice Mijares
>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:10 AM
>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>> Subject: [nvda] what NVDA echos
>>>>
>>>> The next line ,
>>>> 1/2 cup flour
>>>> is echoed by NVDA as 1 slash 2 Cuban pesos flour. Does anyone else
>>>> using NVDA hear it that way? I am baffled.
>>>>
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Re: virtualizing the current window for further review?

John Isige
 

There is an addon, that gives you a hotkey.


https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/virtualRevision.en.html

On 11/26/2017 14:24, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I didn't' actually see it, but I thougth there was a keyboard hot key I could hit to do this, or am I thinking of a different screen reader.

Take care

On Nov 26, 2017, at 12:20 PM, John Isige <gwynn@tds.net> wrote:

There' an addon.


On 11/26/2017 14:19, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Is there a way of doing this? Can I hit a key stroke that will turn let's say an error window into a virtual buffer for which I can then copy to the clip board?

I thought there was a way to do this but I'm using the laptop layout.

Take care