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Re: can't access my messages in seamonkey

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

The problem I have with all online email is that your address book is on line 24/7, and hence anyone that might want to has all day to hack, if you keep it locally and do not leave your device on line at all times this is not the case.
Brian

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in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Griffith" <daj.griffith@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2017 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't access my messages in seamonkey


To be fair on more modern clients it is no problem.
So in Windows Mail on Windows 10 and my Mac machine you simply get passed through to the Gmail website where you have to confirm that this is a change that you wreally want to make. Then you are returned to your app and all works well but you get a security email telling you that your email is being accessed in another client/machine which in these days when so many email accounts get hacked, is probably understandable. I saw a thread on another list only yesterday where somebody has had their email hacked and spam mails were being sent out in his name.
David Griffith

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 05 November 2017 09:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't access my messages in seamonkey

I always turn this off as it seems to be a menace rather than a feature,
what they seem to mean is that unless you use their online system it might
not work.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Griffith" <daj.griffith@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2017 6:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't access my messages in seamonkey


Just a thought but do you have the allow less secure apps turned on in your
Gmail settings?
I am not sure apps like Sea Monkey will be allowed to access your Gmail
unless you specifically allow it. You may have to go to the Gmail website
and check your settings/notifications.
David Griffit
My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: 05 November 2017 02:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] can't access my messages in seamonkey

Hi, everyone,

I can't find any of my messages in seamonkey. What could I be doing wrong? I
tried signing in to my gmail account but seamonkey wouldn't accept the
information when I know it's correct. What am I doing wrong?

Thanks for your help in advance.

Rosemarie


Re: How to find the stable version of Firefox won’t be automatically updated

Joe Paton
 

Hi Mary,

at least, on this system, Jaws and window-eyes failed spectacularly with
the 64-bit FF 52 ESR version. I recall NVDA working better, but I did
not perform in depth evaluations.


32-bit was ok with JFW 20 18 and window-eyes. .

I think there may be trouble ahead with ff 57 or 58, as security
weaknesses are being blocked in the canvas. Don't understand it, don't
even know if it will effect screen readers, but it might.




On Sun, 5 Nov 2017 11:41:06 -0600
"Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:

I doubt there is much difference. We'll see what others have to say but if it were me, I'd use the 32 bit version because I don't know about add on compatibility with the 64 bit version. I also doubt there is any significant difference in performance between the two versions. But I'm basing those opinions and comments on very little information. I remember when Internet Explorer came outwith its 64 bit version that there were incompatible add ons and a lot of people used the 32 bit version for awhile.

Gene
----- Original Message -----


From: Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2017 11:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to find the stable version of Firefox won’t be automatically updated


Thanks, Jean. I found the 64-bit version, which is what I assume I should use for new windows 10 64-bit machine.
Mary




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On Nov 5, 2017, at 9:17 AM, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:


Look for Firefox ESR (extended release).

Gene
----- original Message -----

From: Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2017 11:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How to find the stable version of Firefox won’t be automatically updated


Hi all,
I went looking for the stable version of Firefox, the one that’s not going to auto update to number 57 when it comes out. I did find an off-line installer for version 53 on the website. I thought I remembered somebody saying that version 52 was what I wanted. But I’m not finding that. Does this go by another name? I’m hoping to find an off-line installer that I can put on a thumb drive and give to the person that I want to have stuff installed on this new PC before I bring it home.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone



Re: Using Slack?

Sylvie Duchateau
 

Hello all,
I use Slakc with the iPhone app, which is rather accessible and with Chrome and Firefox.
NV access has developed a script making slack work with tampermonkey (a script manager for Firefox, Chrome, and other browsers).
I was able to activate notifications with a sound tone. I can go from one channel to another in pressing the go to next or previous link command (n and shift+n).
I can reach the list of recent messages by pressing h to next headings.
Each statement is structured in a bulleted list that you can browse from one statement to another by pressing i and shift+i.
You are informed when someone is writing and who is writing.
The url for all of this with all explanations is:
https://github.com/nvaccess/axSGrease
Best
Sylvie

Le 05/11/2017 à 15:43, Arthur BREUNEVAL via Groups.Io a écrit :
Hello,
I find the desktop app has been improved since the last year. It was not
usable at all before, but now I'm able to use it. I met some
difficulties to connect to the workspace, but playing with tab, arrow
keys and such, I was able to connect. When it was done, the navigation
is acceptable, I find. I've seen better accessibility in applications,
of course, but it still acceptable. I don't use the web app now, it is
quite slow for me in Firefox and I was not able to enable notifications.
Finallx, Slack offers a lot of shortcuts to navigate ùith the keyboard.
You can, for example, hit Alt + T to place the cursor into the text area
to type messages. You can review all keyboard shortcuts by hitting Alt +
A in Slack (at least, in the desktop app) : an accessible menu will pop
on, and here you can browse until you find "Keyboard Shortcuts...", or such.

Regards.



Arthur BREUNEVAL
Sent with Mozilla Thunderbird.

Le 05/11/2017 à 14:55, Bhavya shah a écrit :
Hi Brandon,
Slack with NVDA and Chrome is an accessible experience. What problems
are you facing specifically?
Thanks.

On 11/5/17, Robert Kingett <kingettr@gmail.com> wrote:
Get them to enable IRC support and get them to give you the IRC
information. I would suggest Miranda NG, Not Miranda IM, for an
accessible IRC client. That is the only way to use slack accessibly on
the desktop as of now. Slack says they have an accessibility team but
they are taking their sweet time to make accessibility changes. 2 years
now and they just added a colorblind theme. Compared to, say, Microsoft.




Re: Weather Plus 4.6 03.11.2017 update available

Adriano Barbieri
 

Hi,

Apparently, this problem happens only to you.
For some reason your installation is not successful.
The fact is detected, a "installTasks" is significant, because the Weather
Plus not using it anymore, by a lot.
There seems to be a conflict with the old version not deleted.

I repeat:
1. You need to uninstall Weather Plus, and then restart nvda.
2. Make sure that Weather Plus is no longer in the list of add-ons, test it
from tools, Manage addons...
3. Only if it's ok, install the new version.
http://www.nvda.it/files/plugin/weather_plus4.6.nvda-addon
Once you have restarted nvda, open the menu tools, Manage addons... and verify the
new version

Cheers
Adriano

----- Original Message -----
From: "Akbar S. Currim" <raahzam@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2017 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Weather Plus 4.6 03.11.2017 update available


Hi,

Here is the log after selecting the debug level. Please do help.
Thanks,
Akbar

INFO - __main__ (19:16:21.479):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (19:16:21.986):
Config dir: C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (19:16:21.987):
Loading config: C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (19:16:22.000):
Config loaded (after upgrade, and in the state it will be used by NVDA):
{u'schemaVersion': u'2', u'upgrade': {}, u'update': {u'autoCheck':
u'True'}, u'general': {u'showWelcomeDialogAtStartup': u'False',
u'language': u'Windows', u'saveConfigurationOnExit': u'True',
u'askToExit': u'True', u'playStartAndExitSounds': u'True',
u'loggingLevel': u'DEBUG'}, u'speech': {u'synth': u'eloquence',
u'outputDevice': u'Speakers (Realtek High Definiti',
u'autoDialectSwitching': u'False', u'symbolLevel': u'100',
u'autoLanguageSwitching': u'False', u'espeak': {u'voice': u'en',
u'variant': u'max', u'rate': u'20', u'pitch': u'40', u'inflection':
u'75', u'volume': u'100'}, u'eloquence': {u'voice': u'65536',
u'variant': u'1', u'pitch': u'62', u'inflection': u'30', u'volume':
u'92', u'rate': u'29', u'useSpellingFunctionality': u'False'},
u'sapi5': {u'voice':
u'HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\Microsoft\\Speech\\Voices\\Tokens\\TTS_MS_EN-US_DAVID_11.0',
u'volume': u'100', u'rate': u'55', u'useSpellingFunctionality':
u'False', u'capPitchChange': u'40'}, u'vocalizer_expressive2':
{u'voice': u'Oliver', u'variant': u'premium-high', u'volume': u'92',
u'pitch': u'68', u'rate': u'60', u'capPitchChange': u'40'}, u'sv':
{u'variant': u'0', u'voice': u'1', u'pitch': u'4', u'inflection':
u'25', u'perturb': u'0', u'vfactor': u'20', u'avbias': u'45',
u'afbias': u'45', u'ahbias': u'45', u'intstyle': u'0', u'vmode': u'0',
u'gender': u'0', u'glot': u'0', u'smode': u'0'}}, u'braille':
{u'noBraille': {u'port': u''}}, u'keyboard':
{u'useCapsLockAsNVDAModifierKey': u'True', u'keyboardLayout':
u'laptop', u'speakCommandKeys': u'False', u'alertForSpellingErrors':
u'False', u'speakTypedCharacters': u'True', u'speakTypedWords':
u'False'}, u'mouse': {u'enableMouseTracking': u'False'},
u'documentFormatting': {u'autoLanguageSwitching': u'False',
u'reportSpellingErrors': u'False', u'reportLineIndentation': u'False',
u'reportLineIndentationWithTones': u'False', u'reportClickable':
u'False', u'reportLandmarks': u'True'}, u'speechViewer': {u'x': u'85',
u'y': u'55', u'width': u'500', u'height': u'500', u'displays':
[u'(3200, 1800)'], u'autoPositionWindow': u'False'}, u'presentation':
{u'guessObjectPositionInformationWhenUnavailable': u'True',
u'reportDynamicContentChanges': u'False', u'reportObjectDescriptions':
u'True', u'reportTooltips': u'True', u'progressBarUpdates':
{u'progressBarOutputMode': u'both', u'reportBackgroundProgressBars':
u'True'}}, u'virtualBuffers': {u'useScreenLayout': u'False'},
u'audio': {u'audioDuckingMode': u'0'}, u'uwpOcr': {u'language':
u'en-GB'}, u'wintenApps': {u'updateCheckTime': u'1510302132'}}
DEBUG - core.main (19:16:22.125):
setting language to Windows
INFO - core.main (19:16:22.125):
NVDA version 2017.3
INFO - core.main (19:16:22.127):
Using Windows version 10.0.15063 workstation
INFO - core.main (19:16:22.127):
Using Python version 2.7.13 (v2.7.13:a06454b1afa1, Dec 17 2016,
20:42:59) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (19:16:22.127):
Using comtypes version 0.6.2
DEBUG - core.main (19:16:22.160):
Initializing add-ons system
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.loadModule (19:16:22.163):
Importing module installTasks from plugin Weather Plus
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.332):
Listing add-ons from C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.332):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\bitChe
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.338):
Found add-on bitChe
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.338):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\clipContentsDesigner
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.342):
Found add-on clipContentsDesigner
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.342):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\dayOfTheWeek
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.348):
Found add-on dayOfTheWeek
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.348):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\easyTableNavigator
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.352):
Found add-on easyTableNavigator
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.352):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Eloquence
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.358):
Found add-on Eloquence
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.358):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\instantTranslate
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.362):
Found add-on instantTranslate
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.364):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\mp3DirectCut
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.368):
Found add-on mp3DirectCut
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.368):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\ocr
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.372):
Found add-on ocr
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.372):
Disabling add-on ocr
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.374):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\placeMarkers
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.378):
Found add-on placeMarkers
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.378):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\reportSymbols
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.384):
Found add-on reportSymbols
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.384):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\reviewCursorCopier
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.388):
Found add-on reviewCursorCopier
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.388):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Softvoice
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.394):
Found add-on Softvoice
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.394):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\speakPasswords
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.398):
Found add-on speakPasswords
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.398):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\systrayList
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.404):
Found add-on systrayList
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.404):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\tipOfTheDay
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.408):
Found add-on tipOfTheDay
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.408):
Disabling add-on tipOfTheDay
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.408):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer-expressive2-voice-eng-Daniel-PremiumHigh
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.414):
Found add-on vocalizer-expressive2-voice-eng-Daniel-PremiumHigh
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.414):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer-expressive2-voice-eng-Kate-PremiumHigh
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.418):
Found add-on vocalizer-expressive2-voice-eng-Kate-PremiumHigh
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.418):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer-expressive2-voice-eng-Malcolm-PremiumHigh
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.424):
Found add-on vocalizer-expressive2-voice-eng-Malcolm-PremiumHigh
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.426):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer-expressive2-voice-eng-Oliver-PremiumHigh
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.430):
Found add-on vocalizer-expressive2-voice-eng-Oliver-PremiumHigh
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.430):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer-expressive2-voice-eng-Serena-PremiumHigh
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.434):
Found add-on vocalizer-expressive2-voice-eng-Serena-PremiumHigh
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.436):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer-expressive2-voice-enu-Ava-PremiumHigh
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.440):
Found add-on vocalizer-expressive2-voice-enu-Ava-PremiumHigh
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.440):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer-expressive2-voice-enu-Nathan-PremiumHigh
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.444):
Found add-on vocalizer-expressive2-voice-enu-Nathan-PremiumHigh
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.444):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer-expressive2-voice-enu-Samantha-PremiumHigh
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.450):
Found add-on vocalizer-expressive2-voice-enu-Samantha-PremiumHigh
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.450):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer-expressive2-voice-enu-Susan-PremiumHigh
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.454):
Found add-on vocalizer-expressive2-voice-enu-Susan-PremiumHigh
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.454):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer-expressive2-voice-enu-Tom-PremiumHigh
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.460):
Found add-on vocalizer-expressive2-voice-enu-Tom-PremiumHigh
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.460):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer-expressive2-voice-enu-Zoe-PremiumHigh
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.464):
Found add-on vocalizer-expressive2-voice-enu-Zoe-PremiumHigh
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.466):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer_expressive2_driver
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.470):
Found add-on vocalizer_expressive2_driver
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.470):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Weather
Plus
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.470):
Found add-on Weather Plus
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.470):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\wintenApps
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (19:16:22.476):
Found add-on wintenApps
DEBUG - core.main (19:16:22.717):
Initializing appModule Handler
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (19:16:22.717):
Addon bitChe added to appModules package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (19:16:22.717):
Addon mp3DirectCut added to appModules package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (19:16:22.719):
Addon wintenApps added to appModules package path
DEBUG - core.main (19:16:22.719):
Initializing NVDAHelper
DEBUG - core.main (19:16:22.749):
Speech Dictionary processing
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (19:16:22.749):
Loading speech dictionary
'C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\speechDicts\default.dic'...
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (19:16:22.759):
35 loaded records.
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (19:16:22.759):
Loading speech dictionary 'builtin.dic'...
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (19:16:22.766):
3 loaded records.
DEBUG - core.main (19:16:22.767):
Initializing speech
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (19:16:22.767):
Addon Eloquence added to synthDrivers package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (19:16:22.767):
Addon Softvoice added to synthDrivers package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (19:16:22.769):
Addon vocalizer_expressive2_driver added to synthDrivers package path
DEBUG - external:synthDrivers.eloquence.SynthDriver.__init__
(19:16:22.920):
Using Eloquence version 6.1.0.0
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (19:16:22.924):
Loading speech dictionary
'C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\speechDicts\eloquence-American
English.dic'...
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (19:16:22.924):
file 'C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\speechDicts\eloquence-American
English.dic' not found.
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (19:16:22.926):
Loaded synthDriver eloquence
INFO - core.main (19:16:22.926):
Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)
DEBUG - core.main (19:16:22.927):
Initializing braille input
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (19:16:22.927):
Braille input initialized
DEBUG - core.main (19:16:22.927):
Initializing braille
INFO - braille.initialize (19:16:22.928):
Using liblouis version 3.2.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (19:16:22.930):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
DEBUG - core.main (19:16:22.930):
Initializing displayModel
DEBUG - core.main (19:16:22.930):
Initializing GUI
DEBUG - core.main (19:16:22.976):
initializing Java Access Bridge support
WARNING - core.main (19:16:22.976):
Java Access Bridge not available
DEBUG - core.main (19:16:22.977):
Initializing winConsole support
DEBUG - core.main (19:16:22.977):
Initializing UIA support
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (19:16:22.980):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation3
DEBUG - core.main (19:16:23.246):
Initializing IAccessible support
DEBUG - core.main (19:16:23.246):
Initializing input core
DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadLocaleGestureMap (19:16:23.246):
No locale gesture map for language en
DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadUserGestureMap (19:16:23.246):
No user gesture map
DEBUG - core.main (19:16:23.246):
Initializing keyboard handler
DEBUG - core.main (19:16:23.247):
initializing mouse handler
DEBUG - core.main (19:16:23.279):
Initializing touchHandler
DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.initialize (19:16:23.279):
No touch devices found
DEBUG - core.main (19:16:23.279):
Initializing global plugin handler
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (19:16:23.279):
Addon clipContentsDesigner added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (19:16:23.279):
Addon dayOfTheWeek added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (19:16:23.279):
Addon easyTableNavigator added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (19:16:23.280):
Addon instantTranslate added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (19:16:23.280):
Addon mp3DirectCut added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (19:16:23.280):
Addon placeMarkers added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (19:16:23.280):
Addon reportSymbols added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (19:16:23.280):
Addon reviewCursorCopier added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (19:16:23.282):
Addon speakPasswords added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (19:16:23.282):
Addon systrayList added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (19:16:23.282):
Addon vocalizer_expressive2_driver added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (19:16:23.282):
Addon Weather Plus added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (19:16:23.282):
Addon wintenApps added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (19:16:23.342):
C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Weather
Plus\globalPlugins\weather plus\__init__.py:67: SyntaxWarning: name
'samplesvolumes_dic' is assigned to before global declaration
DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (19:16:23.342):
C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Weather
Plus\globalPlugins\weather plus\__init__.py:228: SyntaxWarning: name
'volume' is assigned to before global declaration
DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (19:16:23.342):
C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Weather
Plus\globalPlugins\weather plus\__init__.py:228: SyntaxWarning: name
'samplesvolumes_dic' is assigned to before global declaration
DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (19:16:23.342):
C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Weather
Plus\globalPlugins\weather plus\__init__.py:380: SyntaxWarning: name
'_addonBaseUrl' is assigned to before global declaration
DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (19:16:23.344):
C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Weather
Plus\globalPlugins\weather plus\__init__.py:851: SyntaxWarning: name
'curSample' is assigned to before global declaration
DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (19:16:23.344):
C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Weather
Plus\globalPlugins\weather plus\__init__.py:870: SyntaxWarning: name
'handle' is assigned to before global declaration
DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (19:16:23.344):
C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Weather
Plus\globalPlugins\weather plus\__init__.py:968: SyntaxWarning: name
'handle' is assigned to before global declaration
DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (19:16:23.344):
C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Weather
Plus\globalPlugins\weather plus\__init__.py:968: SyntaxWarning: name
'curSample' is assigned to before global declaration
DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (19:16:23.344):
C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Weather
Plus\globalPlugins\weather plus\__init__.py:968: SyntaxWarning: name
'volume' is assigned to before global declaration
DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (19:16:23.344):
C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Weather
Plus\globalPlugins\weather plus\__init__.py:1012: SyntaxWarning: name
'handle' is assigned to before global declaration
DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (19:16:23.344):
C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Weather
Plus\globalPlugins\weather plus\__init__.py:1012: SyntaxWarning: name
'curSample' is assigned to before global declaration
DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (19:16:23.344):
C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Weather
Plus\globalPlugins\weather plus\__init__.py:1012: SyntaxWarning: name
'volume' is assigned to before global declaration
DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (19:16:23.345):
C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Weather
Plus\globalPlugins\weather plus\__init__.py:2310: SyntaxWarning: name
'samplesvolumes_dic' is used prior to global declaration
DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (19:16:23.345):
C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Weather
Plus\globalPlugins\weather plus\__init__.py:2317: SyntaxWarning: name
'volume' is assigned to before global declaration
DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (19:16:23.345):
C:\Users\raahz\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Weather
Plus\globalPlugins\weather plus\__init__.py:2542: SyntaxWarning: name
'_addonBaseUrl' is assigned to before global declaration
DEBUG -
external:synthDrivers.vocalizer_expressive2._vocalizer.preInitialize
(19:16:24.802):
installed voice add-ons:
[u'vocalizer-expressive2-voice-eng-Daniel-PremiumHigh',
u'vocalizer-expressive2-voice-eng-Kate-PremiumHigh',
u'vocalizer-expressive2-voice-eng-Malcolm-PremiumHigh',
u'vocalizer-expressive2-voice-eng-Oliver-PremiumHigh',
u'vocalizer-expressive2-voice-eng-Serena-PremiumHigh',
u'vocalizer-expressive2-voice-enu-Ava-PremiumHigh',
u'vocalizer-expressive2-voice-enu-Nathan-PremiumHigh',
u'vocalizer-expressive2-voice-enu-Samantha-PremiumHigh',
u'vocalizer-expressive2-voice-enu-Susan-PremiumHigh',
u'vocalizer-expressive2-voice-enu-Tom-PremiumHigh',
u'vocalizer-expressive2-voice-enu-Zoe-PremiumHigh']
DEBUG - core.main (19:16:25.250):
Initializing core pump
DEBUG - core.main (19:16:25.252):
Initializing watchdog
DEBUG - core.main (19:16:25.253):
initializing updateCheck
INFO - core.main (19:16:25.253):
NVDA initialized
DEBUG - core.main (19:16:25.253):
entering wx application main loop
IO - speech.speak (19:16:25.312):
Speaking [u'Notice! dialog An upgrade is available for Weather
Plus.\r\nClick on the Check for upgrades menu to download it.']
IO - speech.speak (19:16:25.336):
Speaking [u'OK button']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (19:16:26.977):
Input: kb(laptop):enter
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(19:16:26.996):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None,
None, None, 0, None))
IO - speech.speak (19:16:27.052):
Speaking [u'English (United States) - US']
IO - speech.speak (19:16:27.128):
Speaking [u'Downloads window']
IO - speech.speak (19:16:27.138):
Speaking [u'Items View list']
IO - speech.speak (19:16:27.145):
Speaking [u'weather_plus4.6(1).nvda-addon 2 of 86']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (19:16:35.911):
Input: kb(laptop):NVDA+n
IO - speech.speak (19:16:35.996):
Speaking [u'NVDA menu']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (19:16:36.888):
Input: kb(laptop):downArrow
IO - speech.speak (19:16:36.915):
Speaking [u'Preferences subMenu p']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (19:16:37.921):
Input: kb(laptop):downArrow
IO - speech.speak (19:16:37.936):
Speaking [u'Tools subMenu t']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (19:16:39.007):
Input: kb(laptop):enter
IO - speech.speak (19:16:39.036):
Speaking [u'View log v 1 of 7']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (19:16:39.654):
Input: kb(laptop):downArrow
IO - speech.speak (19:16:39.680):
Speaking [u'Speech viewer s 2 of 7']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (19:16:40.430):
Input: kb(laptop):upArrow
IO - speech.speak (19:16:40.464):
Speaking [u'View log v 1 of 7']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (19:16:40.979):
Input: kb(laptop):enter


On 11/3/17, Adriano Barbieri via Groups.Io
<adrianobarb=yahoo.it@groups.io> wrote:
Hi to every one,
Changes in this version:
* Improved the reading of current local time; search keys are more
accurate.

Weather Plus can update alone, however, it is possible to download
manually from the following links:
http://www.nvda.it/files/plugin/weather_plus4.6.nvda-addon
or from page:
http://www.nvda.it/weather-plus/
or from page:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/weatherPlus.en.html

Cheers
Adriano


Re: Firefox 57 etc

 

just delete maintainance service in your control panel, i mean
uninstall it and go to options, advance, update and set your desires.

On 11/6/17, Sharni-Lee Ward <sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com> wrote:
How can I make sure Firefox won't update? I don't want my go-to browser
to be unusable!


On 6/11/2017 10:17 AM, Stephen wrote:
I thought that was why there were beta versions before the main
release, to get these issues ironed out in the first place?
At 07:47 PM 11/5/2017, you wrote:
Well how does one actually get it to work then, I cannot get to
anything I can read in order to check if the option is set wrongly, I
was under the impression that it was supposed to be off by default.
this has not been my experience, either that or there are more
serious issues on the 32 bit version or it has problems in windows 7.
No My thrust and that of several others I know is that it has been
sprung on people. IE if there was a version of firefox that by
default could not be used by the sighted it would never leave the
developers.
My point is that I'm sick and tired of being a second class citizen
simply because I'm blind, and its about time these people got their
fingers out of their ears or wherever they put them, not wanting to
be rude and embraced accessibility at the start of a new concept not
half way through it.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 etc


My apologies, I misunderstood your rhetoric comment. That's what comes
of trying to do two things at once. Also to be clear, I'm not saying we
shouldn't question changes. I think it's fine and valuable to ask what
changes are being made and why they're being made. But there are some
people who seem to assume they're almost always bad and are the start
down a path for changes for the worst, it seems to me, and that's what I
object to. As you say, and a few others have reported this here as well,
the new Firefox with the option set correctly seems to be mostly fine,
if slow. And if not, as you've also pointed out, we have other browsers
to use until it gets straightened out.


I also think it's valuable to point out that these aren't ham-fisted
sledgehammer changes, they are perhaps fairly large changes sure, but
they're not being done just because, they're being done for a perfectly
valid security reason. I figured I'd better provide examples instead of
just telling people it's an issue, now we can all see the potential
problems with code injection. I should add, I'm really glad the new
update is mostly fine, though I might use the extended release myself. I
use Firefox as my daily browser and haven't really found any of the
others to my liking for various reasons, though I need to play with them
some more because of course accessibility keeps improving for them.


Man I remember the days of IE 6 or 7 when JFW's Firefox support wasn't
that great, and IE updated and JFW hadn't caught up yet. Called tech
support and they insisted I couldn't be running the new version of IE
because the new version of IE didn't work with JFW. At least we've got
some pretty decent alternatives nowadays. I'm not even sure if Firefox
was supported yet, it was ages ago when this happened, but I remember I
had all kinds of issues browsing until it got updated eventually. And
that line will stick in my head forever, "you can't be running that",
I'm like "dude it's right here on my machine"! I think I even cranked
speech up over the speakers and made it read the version number. Fun
times!


On 11/4/2017 23:45, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi John,


Boy, you really like to press home a point. I didn't fundamentally
disagree with you on any of that. In fact, according to beta testers,
Firefox 57 without the check box checked isn't very much different
than earlier versions. In addition, I have begun to use Edge for many
things. The only major issue I see with Edge and NVDA is it is a bit
erratic in forms mode. For example on the Send Space page where you
have to click on buttons and make descriptive editions if desired,
NVDA keeps slipping in and out of forms mode. I bet they nail this one
down either later this year or early next year. I can use Edge for
anything now including forms and similar editable pages--with some
difficulty.


I only objected to your wholesale condemnation of all blind people who
raised questions about changes in accessibility.



On 11/4/2017 9:57 PM, John Isige wrote:
Ah. Rhetoric. Like this.


http://blog.trendmicro.com/mozilla-firefox-exploit-enlists-pcs-advanced-botnet/





And this:


https://www.welivesecurity.com/2015/08/11/firefox-under-fire-anatomy-of-latest-0-day-attack/





The reason you're not hacked any more than other people is because
Firefox updates for security, i.e. the very thing people are
complaining
about now because it's updating in a way that happens to mess with
screen readers. It's true that, so far as I know, neither of these
injection attacks are the kind of code injection screen readers do.
That's because screen readers are local though and not using something
like JavaScript, but that's about the only difference. And you should
particularly note from the second link that the particular code
injection attack being discussed there allows reading and writing of
local files as well as uploading them. Have a credit card number
written
down somewhere for easy access? Get infected by that thing and it
could
very well be uploaded to a site for somebody else to try and use.


My point is, injection attacks happen, they're bad, and this is
another
way to try and stop them. There's a real purpose to this change,
whether
or not anybody happens to like or agree with it. It's not just
rhetoric,
there are real examples of it, as I've just demonstrated. There's
also a
way for screen readers to deal with browsers that doesn't involve code
injection, I believe this is how NVDA deals with Microsoft Edge
because
Edge doesn't allow code injection. That's also part of why everybody's
still working on Edge accessibility, sure, that way doesn't
materialize
overnight, it has to be implemented and I'm sure issues have to be
worked out with it, e.g. if a browser needs to expose certain
things it
doesn't currently.


I get that the change Firefox is making isn't ideal for us, I'm just
saying, there's a reason for it, and there are a lot of
alternatives to
using the new Firefox, including an older accessible version of
Firefox
if you don't feel like trying to change browsers and use Chrome or
Edge
until better accessibility for the new version of Firefox is worked
out.
There's no reason to assume that the sky is falling and that nothing
will ever get better because clearly, Firefox is going down the
road of
hating blind people and ignoring them entirely and thus we're all
crewed.


On 11/4/2017 19:13, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi John,


Besides all that rhetoric, Mozilla has set the 'disable all
accessibility features' item to unchecked by default. As long as you
don't turn it on by accident, there shouldn't be any problem. I don't
know what the chance of you getting infected or hacked by
something is
when this item is turned off, but I would imagine it isn't very high
because I don't see any greater number of blind people getting hacked
proportionately than sighted folks. Still there is an issue with
security now of days and it probably won't get any better for years.
Some people have already tested 57 with screen readers and were
careful not to check the box and things seem reasonably good.



On 11/4/2017 6:08 PM, John Isige wrote:
If you'd read all of the stuff in Freedom Scientific's post, you
would
have seen this link.


https://www.marcozehe.de/2017/09/29/rethinking-web-accessibility-on-windows/






Code injection is a horrible idea from a security standpoint and
also a
coding one. It was something that was necessary back in the day, but
probably isn't anymore. So that was a change that probably should
have
happened long before now anyway. It makes sense as a change and
it was
going to cause this issue whenever it happened. Not only do we have
several accessible browsers to choose from, we have an accessible
version of the one with the problem and one assumes work will be
done to
make the current version accessible. Seriously, do you people do
anything other than bitch about stuff? I'm beginning to wonder. I
get
that the transition is annoying, sure. but some times there are
actually
good reasons to change things, however annoying the transition
happens
to be, and honestly, this one isn't all that bad in the grand
scheme of
things.


On 11/4/2017 4:14, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Indeed, However I am critical of Mozillas handling of this. Its not
often that the makers of Jaws put up a page about the pitfalls and
also criticise a particular company for being unthinking about
their
policy toward the VI community.

Let us hope that somebody in the management at that organisation
takes
us more seriously, however I'm not holding my breath, and I'm not
sure
if jamie working for them will help much if the culture is going
down
the road toward making all software inaccessible to stop
hacking. He
is probably not the most tactful person in the world as indeed
neither
am I. I can now afford to grow old disgracefully. Age has its
advantages as history does tend to repeat itself and we have all
been
here before, sadly.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 etc



Hello. I don't think it's worth installing Mozila 57 until she's
fully
available to NVDA.
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Тема: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 etc

Yes I saw a message on the issues list from James, about some
fixing
for
version 58, so maybe it will get resolved from the currently
unusable
state.
Its new users of any screenreader I feel sorry for, especially
where
its a
shared machine and the sighted member just lets firefox update.
There are a couple of other issues. It disabled both my add ons,
navigational sounds and Ublock Origin ad blocker and even when I
put
the
version 52 back on I had to re download both add ons and install
them
again.
Not only that but nvda after the update could not read the
screen of
the add
ons manager, I had to exit firefox completely and go back in
again to
see
if they had installed correctly, I'm sure this was not the case
prior
to up
and down dating the version I had, which was 55. How also does one
set
52 to
get security updates without letting it update to 57 as I see it
wants
to do
till I set updates to no, ie not recommended.
Brian

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Sent: Friday, November 03, 2017 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 etc


Hi, Brian


I have the same issue on the other machine, and that is the reason
why I
keep to shift instead to use the Firefox ESR version 52 but for
now I
will
stick to this version because there is likely more stable in
performance
and never has a problem. And, once the issue has fix maybe I
could go
for
to use and test it again.


Robert Mendoza

On 11/3/2017 6:00 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
wrote:
With regard to this version of Firefox, and in addition to what
Joseph
posted about it. Here is what me acting as the average unaware
updater
found.
After installation only the menus work, no content on the page is
readable, you cannot go into any browse or focus mode. You just
here
unknown.
Now there may well be some kind of setting that can be altered,
I do
not
know, to achieve what he got, slow but functioning. I could not
find
any
option for this. Not only that but it seemed to lose almost half
of my
bookmarks as well.

So unless they fix this on the release version anyone trying
to use
Firefox 57 when it comes out with the latest version of nvda,
and I
am up
to date with the master branch here, will not be able to do so
unless
they know how to make it work.
If these people are employees then they will probably need the
permission
of an admin to reinstall a version like 55, and turn off auto
updates. I
have reinstalled 52 in actual fact and got my bookmarks back as
well as
functionality. To my mind the makers of Firefox at the current
state of
play should be able to see if screenreading software is on a
machine
in a
similar way to Adobe reader or Jarte does, and prevent it from
updating
to an unworkable version.
I cannot understand why they have not done this.

Anyone care to comment?
Brian

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Problem with my screen

prem.translator@...
 

At my workplace, when I need to type something, I always type in WordPad before pasting it into Word. However, something happen to me. 
I use NVDA. When I'm typing, my colleague always tell me that my screen is empty. It's really annoy me because they see it's empty while I know everything and can do all my work with NVDA. 
 
Is there any shortcut to set my screen always focus on my working screen so anyone can see the thing in the same way as I heard from NVDA? 
 
Thank you and really sorry for my English. 


Re: having messages marked as read and replied in thunderbird

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi,


I wasn't asking about conversation. I was asking about how to have read and replied announced. I googled it and found the answer. Thanks for trying though.

On 11/5/2017 9:46 PM, Michal Rada wrote:
R for read conversation
M for one message
N to focus to next unread.

Odesláno z iPhonu

6. 11. 2017 v 3:21, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com>:

Hi, everyone,


I forgot how to have messages marked as read and replied in thunderbird. I know you have to use object navigation but I forgot the keystrokes for this.


Thanks for your help in advance.


Rosemarie






Re: having messages marked as read and replied in thunderbird

Michal Rada
 

R for read conversation
M for one message
N to focus to next unread.

Odesláno z iPhonu

6. 11. 2017 v 3:21, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com>:

Hi, everyone,


I forgot how to have messages marked as read and replied in thunderbird. I know you have to use object navigation but I forgot the keystrokes for this.


Thanks for your help in advance.


Rosemarie






Re: Firefox 57 etc

Sharni-Lee Ward
 

How can I make sure Firefox won't update? I don't want my go-to browser
to be unusable!

On 6/11/2017 10:17 AM, Stephen wrote:
I thought that was why there were beta versions before the main
release, to get these issues ironed out in the first place?
At 07:47 PM 11/5/2017, you wrote:
Well how does one actually get it to work then, I cannot get to
anything I can read in order to check if the option is set wrongly, I
was under the impression that it was supposed to be off by default.
this has not been my experience, either that or there are more
serious issues on the 32 bit version or it has problems in windows 7.
No My thrust and that of several others I know is that it has been
sprung on people. IE if there was a version of firefox that by
default could not be used by the sighted it would never leave the
developers.
My point is that I'm sick and tired of being a second class citizen
simply because I'm blind, and its about time these people got their
fingers out of their ears or wherever they put them, not wanting to
be rude and embraced accessibility at the start of a new concept not
half way through it.
Brian

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Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2017 5:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 etc


My apologies, I misunderstood your rhetoric comment. That's what comes
of trying to do two things at once. Also to be clear, I'm not saying we
shouldn't question changes. I think it's fine and valuable to ask what
changes are being made and why they're being made. But there are some
people who seem to assume they're almost always bad and are the start
down a path for changes for the worst, it seems to me, and that's what I
object to. As you say, and a few others have reported this here as well,
the new Firefox with the option set correctly seems to be mostly fine,
if slow. And if not, as you've also pointed out, we have other browsers
to use until it gets straightened out.


I also think it's valuable to point out that these aren't ham-fisted
sledgehammer changes, they are perhaps fairly large changes sure, but
they're not being done just because, they're being done for a perfectly
valid security reason. I figured I'd better provide examples instead of
just telling people it's an issue, now we can all see the potential
problems with code injection. I should add, I'm really glad the new
update is mostly fine, though I might use the extended release myself. I
use Firefox as my daily browser and haven't really found any of the
others to my liking for various reasons, though I need to play with them
some more because of course accessibility keeps improving for them.


Man I remember the days of IE 6 or 7 when JFW's Firefox support wasn't
that great, and IE updated and JFW hadn't caught up yet. Called tech
support and they insisted I couldn't be running the new version of IE
because the new version of IE didn't work with JFW. At least we've got
some pretty decent alternatives nowadays. I'm not even sure if Firefox
was supported yet, it was ages ago when this happened, but I remember I
had all kinds of issues browsing until it got updated eventually. And
that line will stick in my head forever, "you can't be running that",
I'm like "dude it's right here on my machine"! I think I even cranked
speech up over the speakers and made it read the version number. Fun
times!


On 11/4/2017 23:45, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi John,


Boy, you really like to press home a point. I didn't fundamentally
disagree with you on any of that. In fact, according to beta testers,
Firefox 57 without the check box checked isn't very much different
than earlier versions. In addition, I have begun to use Edge for many
things. The only major issue I see with Edge and NVDA is it is a bit
erratic in forms mode. For example on the Send Space page where you
have to click on buttons and make descriptive editions if desired,
NVDA keeps slipping in and out of forms mode. I bet they nail this one
down either later this year or early next year. I can use Edge for
anything now including forms and similar editable pages--with some
difficulty.


I only objected to your wholesale condemnation of all blind people who
raised questions about changes in accessibility.



On 11/4/2017 9:57 PM, John Isige wrote:
Ah. Rhetoric. Like this.


http://blog.trendmicro.com/mozilla-firefox-exploit-enlists-pcs-advanced-botnet/




And this:


https://www.welivesecurity.com/2015/08/11/firefox-under-fire-anatomy-of-latest-0-day-attack/




The reason you're not hacked any more than other people is because
Firefox updates for security, i.e. the very thing people are
complaining
about now because it's updating in a way that happens to mess with
screen readers. It's true that, so far as I know, neither of these
injection attacks are the kind of code injection screen readers do.
That's because screen readers are local though and not using something
like JavaScript, but that's about the only difference. And you should
particularly note from the second link that the particular code
injection attack being discussed there allows reading and writing of
local files as well as uploading them. Have a credit card number
written
down somewhere for easy access? Get infected by that thing and it
could
very well be uploaded to a site for somebody else to try and use.


My point is, injection attacks happen, they're bad, and this is
another
way to try and stop them. There's a real purpose to this change,
whether
or not anybody happens to like or agree with it. It's not just
rhetoric,
there are real examples of it, as I've just demonstrated. There's
also a
way for screen readers to deal with browsers that doesn't involve code
injection, I believe this is how NVDA deals with Microsoft Edge
because
Edge doesn't allow code injection. That's also part of why everybody's
still working on Edge accessibility, sure, that way doesn't
materialize
overnight, it has to be implemented and I'm sure issues have to be
worked out with it, e.g. if a browser needs to expose certain
things it
doesn't currently.


I get that the change Firefox is making isn't ideal for us, I'm just
saying, there's a reason for it, and there are a lot of
alternatives to
using the new Firefox, including an older accessible version of
Firefox
if you don't feel like trying to change browsers and use Chrome or
Edge
until better accessibility for the new version of Firefox is worked
out.
There's no reason to assume that the sky is falling and that nothing
will ever get better because clearly, Firefox is going down the
road of
hating blind people and ignoring them entirely and thus we're all
crewed.


On 11/4/2017 19:13, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi John,


Besides all that rhetoric, Mozilla has set the 'disable all
accessibility features' item to unchecked by default. As long as you
don't turn it on by accident, there shouldn't be any problem. I don't
know what the chance of you getting infected or hacked by
something is
when this item is turned off, but I would imagine it isn't very high
because I don't see any greater number of blind people getting hacked
proportionately than sighted folks. Still there is an issue with
security now of days and it probably won't get any better for years.
Some people have already tested 57 with screen readers and were
careful not to check the box and things seem reasonably good.



On 11/4/2017 6:08 PM, John Isige wrote:
If you'd read all of the stuff in Freedom Scientific's post, you
would
have seen this link.


https://www.marcozehe.de/2017/09/29/rethinking-web-accessibility-on-windows/





Code injection is a horrible idea from a security standpoint and
also a
coding one. It was something that was necessary back in the day, but
probably isn't anymore. So that was a change that probably should
have
happened long before now anyway. It makes sense as a change and
it was
going to cause this issue whenever it happened. Not only do we have
several accessible browsers to choose from, we have an accessible
version of the one with the problem and one assumes work will be
done to
make the current version accessible. Seriously, do you people do
anything other than bitch about stuff? I'm beginning to wonder. I
get
that the transition is annoying, sure. but some times there are
actually
good reasons to change things, however annoying the transition
happens
to be, and honestly, this one isn't all that bad in the grand
scheme of
things.


On 11/4/2017 4:14, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Indeed, However I am critical of Mozillas handling of this. Its not
often that the makers of Jaws put up a page about the pitfalls and
also criticise a particular company for being unthinking about
their
policy toward the VI community.

Let us hope that somebody in the management at that organisation
takes
us more seriously, however I'm not holding my breath, and I'm not
sure
if jamie working for them will help much if the culture is going
down
the road toward making all software inaccessible to stop
hacking. He
is probably not the most tactful person in the world as indeed
neither
am I. I can now afford to grow old disgracefully. Age has its
advantages as history does tend to repeat itself and we have all
been
here before, sadly.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2017 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 etc



Hello. I don't think it's worth installing Mozila 57 until she's
fully
available to NVDA.
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Тема: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 etc

Yes I saw a message on the issues list from James, about some
fixing
for
version 58, so maybe it will get resolved from the currently
unusable
state.
Its new users of any screenreader I feel sorry for, especially
where
its a
shared machine and the sighted member just lets firefox update.
There are a couple of other issues. It disabled both my add ons,
navigational sounds and Ublock Origin ad blocker and even when I
put
the
version 52 back on I had to re download both add ons and install
them
again.
Not only that but nvda after the update could not read the
screen of
the add
ons manager, I had to exit firefox completely and go back in
again to
see
if they had installed correctly, I'm sure this was not the case
prior
to up
and down dating the version I had, which was 55. How also does one
set
52 to
get security updates without letting it update to 57 as I see it
wants
to do
till I set updates to no, ie not recommended.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Mendoza"
<lowvisiontek@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2017 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 etc


Hi, Brian


I have the same issue on the other machine, and that is the reason
why I
keep to shift instead to use the Firefox ESR version 52 but for
now I
will
stick to this version because there is likely more stable in
performance
and never has a problem. And, once the issue has fix maybe I
could go
for
to use and test it again.


Robert Mendoza

On 11/3/2017 6:00 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
wrote:
With regard to this version of Firefox, and in addition to what
Joseph
posted about it. Here is what me acting as the average unaware
updater
found.
After installation only the menus work, no content on the page is
readable, you cannot go into any browse or focus mode. You just
here
unknown.
Now there may well be some kind of setting that can be altered,
I do
not
know, to achieve what he got, slow but functioning. I could not
find
any
option for this. Not only that but it seemed to lose almost half
of my
bookmarks as well.

So unless they fix this on the release version anyone trying
to use
Firefox 57 when it comes out with the latest version of nvda,
and I
am up
to date with the master branch here, will not be able to do so
unless
they know how to make it work.
If these people are employees then they will probably need the
permission
of an admin to reinstall a version like 55, and turn off auto
updates. I
have reinstalled 52 in actual fact and got my bookmarks back as
well as
functionality. To my mind the makers of Firefox at the current
state of
play should be able to see if screenreading software is on a
machine
in a
similar way to Adobe reader or Jarte does, and prevent it from
updating
to an unworkable version.
I cannot understand why they have not done this.

Anyone care to comment?
Brian

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having messages marked as read and replied in thunderbird

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, everyone,


I forgot how to have messages marked as read and replied in thunderbird. I know you have to use object navigation but I forgot the keystrokes for this.


Thanks for your help in advance.


Rosemarie


Re: FW: Trying hard to convert to NVDA

slery <slerythema@...>
 

I believe the answer to this problem was that you had to go into the dictionary and replace that sequence with a blank. It is an old bug and happened during an update at one point. Someone sent me the directions and I guess we all made this change so there haven't been any more complaints to remind us it wasn't actually fixed.
Cindy

On June 8, 2017 12:58:14 PM "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

Can anyone write to Larry privately and see if we can reproduce this? Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: Larry Honaker [mailto:kc8pdx@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 9:38 AM
To: 'Joseph Lee' <joseph.lee22590@...>
Subject: RE: Trying hard to convert to NVDA

 

It’s installed on a desktop. I just uninstalled and went out and got the latest version, reinstalled.

 

Same results.

lh

 

 

Larry W. Honaker

 

E-mail: kc8pdx@...

 

Skype: doublezero2369

 

From: Joseph Lee [mailto:joseph.lee22590@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 11:45 AM
To: 'Larry Honaker' <kc8pdx@...>
Subject: RE: Trying hard to convert to NVDA

 

Hi,

Is this a portable version of NVDA or an installed copy? If it’s an installed copy, chances are that, somehow, UIA or something underneath isn’t responding well.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: Larry Honaker [mailto:kc8pdx@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 8:19 AM
To: 'Joseph Lee' <joseph.lee22590@...>
Subject: RE: Trying hard to convert to NVDA

 

Thanks Joseph for responding. I do have the latest, 2017.2 loaded.

What else my friend?

Lh

 

 

Larry W. Honaker

 

E-mail: kc8pdx@...

 

Skype: doublezero2369

 

From: Joseph Lee [mailto:joseph.lee22590@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 11:13 AM
To: 'Larry Honaker' <kc8pdx@...>
Subject: RE: Trying hard to convert to NVDA

 

Hi,

Which version of NVDA did you get? To check, press Insert+N, go to Help menu, then go to About and listen carefully. If you have versions other than 2017.2, you should use the new version, as it does not announce “associated draft” and similar messages.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: Larry Honaker [mailto:kc8pdx@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 4:54 AM
To: joseph.lee22590@...
Subject: Trying hard to convert to NVDA

 

Hi Joseph,

 

I am an old dog trying hard to learn new tricks; translation: I have been a JAWS user since the beginning but am now trying hard to convert to NVDA. Other than trying to get a real handle on the object navigation, the real issue I have is when using Outlook 2016.

 

When looking at the list of messages, NVDA has at the beginning of every message:

Associated Draft No Associated Draft. Then the rest of the message header info. I have looked at various settings under NVDA to turn this description off but cannot figure it out.

 

It is very annoying; no other screen reader reports this.

 

Do you have any idea what I can do?

 

Most cordially yours,

 

 

Larry W. Honaker

 

E-mail: kc8pdx@...

 

Skype: doublezero2369

 


Seri voices for NVDA?

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Hi,
Are the Seri voices available for NVDA anywhere? If not, are they available as sapi voices for windows anywhere?
Thanks
Chris


Re: Firefox 57 etc

Stephen
 

I thought that was why there were beta versions before the main release, to get these issues ironed out in the first place?

At 07:47 PM 11/5/2017, you wrote:
Well how does one actually get it to work then, I cannot get to anything I can read in order to check if the option is set wrongly, I was under the impression that it was supposed to be off by default. this has not been my experience, either that or there are more serious issues on the 32 bit version or it has problems in windows 7.
No My thrust and that of several others I know is that it has been sprung on people. IE if there was a version of firefox that by default could not be used by the sighted it would never leave the developers.
My point is that I'm sick and tired of being a second class citizen simply because I'm blind, and its about time these people got their fingers out of their ears or wherever they put them, not wanting to be rude and embraced accessibility at the start of a new concept not half way through it.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2017 5:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 etc


My apologies, I misunderstood your rhetoric comment. That's what comes
of trying to do two things at once. Also to be clear, I'm not saying we
shouldn't question changes. I think it's fine and valuable to ask what
changes are being made and why they're being made. But there are some
people who seem to assume they're almost always bad and are the start
down a path for changes for the worst, it seems to me, and that's what I
object to. As you say, and a few others have reported this here as well,
the new Firefox with the option set correctly seems to be mostly fine,
if slow. And if not, as you've also pointed out, we have other browsers
to use until it gets straightened out.


I also think it's valuable to point out that these aren't ham-fisted
sledgehammer changes, they are perhaps fairly large changes sure, but
they're not being done just because, they're being done for a perfectly
valid security reason. I figured I'd better provide examples instead of
just telling people it's an issue, now we can all see the potential
problems with code injection. I should add, I'm really glad the new
update is mostly fine, though I might use the extended release myself. I
use Firefox as my daily browser and haven't really found any of the
others to my liking for various reasons, though I need to play with them
some more because of course accessibility keeps improving for them.


Man I remember the days of IE 6 or 7 when JFW's Firefox support wasn't
that great, and IE updated and JFW hadn't caught up yet. Called tech
support and they insisted I couldn't be running the new version of IE
because the new version of IE didn't work with JFW. At least we've got
some pretty decent alternatives nowadays. I'm not even sure if Firefox
was supported yet, it was ages ago when this happened, but I remember I
had all kinds of issues browsing until it got updated eventually. And
that line will stick in my head forever, "you can't be running that",
I'm like "dude it's right here on my machine"! I think I even cranked
speech up over the speakers and made it read the version number. Fun times!


On 11/4/2017 23:45, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi John,


Boy, you really like to press home a point. I didn't fundamentally
disagree with you on any of that. In fact, according to beta testers,
Firefox 57 without the check box checked isn't very much different
than earlier versions. In addition, I have begun to use Edge for many
things. The only major issue I see with Edge and NVDA is it is a bit
erratic in forms mode. For example on the Send Space page where you
have to click on buttons and make descriptive editions if desired,
NVDA keeps slipping in and out of forms mode. I bet they nail this one
down either later this year or early next year. I can use Edge for
anything now including forms and similar editable pages--with some
difficulty.


I only objected to your wholesale condemnation of all blind people who
raised questions about changes in accessibility.



On 11/4/2017 9:57 PM, John Isige wrote:
Ah. Rhetoric. Like this.


http://blog.trendmicro.com/mozilla-firefox-exploit-enlists-pcs-advanced-botnet/



And this:


https://www.welivesecurity.com/2015/08/11/firefox-under-fire-anatomy-of-latest-0-day-attack/



The reason you're not hacked any more than other people is because
Firefox updates for security, i.e. the very thing people are complaining
about now because it's updating in a way that happens to mess with
screen readers. It's true that, so far as I know, neither of these
injection attacks are the kind of code injection screen readers do.
That's because screen readers are local though and not using something
like JavaScript, but that's about the only difference. And you should
particularly note from the second link that the particular code
injection attack being discussed there allows reading and writing of
local files as well as uploading them. Have a credit card number written
down somewhere for easy access? Get infected by that thing and it could
very well be uploaded to a site for somebody else to try and use.


My point is, injection attacks happen, they're bad, and this is another
way to try and stop them. There's a real purpose to this change, whether
or not anybody happens to like or agree with it. It's not just rhetoric,
there are real examples of it, as I've just demonstrated. There's also a
way for screen readers to deal with browsers that doesn't involve code
injection, I believe this is how NVDA deals with Microsoft Edge because
Edge doesn't allow code injection. That's also part of why everybody's
still working on Edge accessibility, sure, that way doesn't materialize
overnight, it has to be implemented and I'm sure issues have to be
worked out with it, e.g. if a browser needs to expose certain things it
doesn't currently.


I get that the change Firefox is making isn't ideal for us, I'm just
saying, there's a reason for it, and there are a lot of alternatives to
using the new Firefox, including an older accessible version of Firefox
if you don't feel like trying to change browsers and use Chrome or Edge
until better accessibility for the new version of Firefox is worked out.
There's no reason to assume that the sky is falling and that nothing
will ever get better because clearly, Firefox is going down the road of
hating blind people and ignoring them entirely and thus we're all
crewed.


On 11/4/2017 19:13, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi John,


Besides all that rhetoric, Mozilla has set the 'disable all
accessibility features' item to unchecked by default. As long as you
don't turn it on by accident, there shouldn't be any problem. I don't
know what the chance of you getting infected or hacked by something is
when this item is turned off, but I would imagine it isn't very high
because I don't see any greater number of blind people getting hacked
proportionately than sighted folks. Still there is an issue with
security now of days and it probably won't get any better for years.
Some people have already tested 57 with screen readers and were
careful not to check the box and things seem reasonably good.



On 11/4/2017 6:08 PM, John Isige wrote:
If you'd read all of the stuff in Freedom Scientific's post, you would
have seen this link.


https://www.marcozehe.de/2017/09/29/rethinking-web-accessibility-on-windows/




Code injection is a horrible idea from a security standpoint and
also a
coding one. It was something that was necessary back in the day, but
probably isn't anymore. So that was a change that probably should have
happened long before now anyway. It makes sense as a change and it was
going to cause this issue whenever it happened. Not only do we have
several accessible browsers to choose from, we have an accessible
version of the one with the problem and one assumes work will be
done to
make the current version accessible. Seriously, do you people do
anything other than bitch about stuff? I'm beginning to wonder. I get
that the transition is annoying, sure. but some times there are
actually
good reasons to change things, however annoying the transition happens
to be, and honestly, this one isn't all that bad in the grand
scheme of
things.


On 11/4/2017 4:14, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Indeed, However I am critical of Mozillas handling of this. Its not
often that the makers of Jaws put up a page about the pitfalls and
also criticise a particular company for being unthinking about their
policy toward the VI community.

Let us hope that somebody in the management at that organisation
takes
us more seriously, however I'm not holding my breath, and I'm not
sure
if jamie working for them will help much if the culture is going down
the road toward making all software inaccessible to stop hacking. He
is probably not the most tactful person in the world as indeed
neither
am I. I can now afford to grow old disgracefully. Age has its
advantages as history does tend to repeat itself and we have all been
here before, sadly.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2017 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 etc



Hello. I don't think it's worth installing Mozila 57 until she's
fully
available to NVDA.
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Кому: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Тема: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 etc

Yes I saw a message on the issues list from James, about some fixing
for
version 58, so maybe it will get resolved from the currently unusable
state.
Its new users of any screenreader I feel sorry for, especially where
its a
shared machine and the sighted member just lets firefox update.
There are a couple of other issues. It disabled both my add ons,
navigational sounds and Ublock Origin ad blocker and even when I put
the
version 52 back on I had to re download both add ons and install them
again.
Not only that but nvda after the update could not read the screen of
the add
ons manager, I had to exit firefox completely and go back in
again to
see
if they had installed correctly, I'm sure this was not the case prior
to up
and down dating the version I had, which was 55. How also does one
set
52 to
get security updates without letting it update to 57 as I see it
wants
to do
till I set updates to no, ie not recommended.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Mendoza"
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2017 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 etc


Hi, Brian


I have the same issue on the other machine, and that is the reason
why I
keep to shift instead to use the Firefox ESR version 52 but for
now I
will
stick to this version because there is likely more stable in
performance
and never has a problem. And, once the issue has fix maybe I
could go
for
to use and test it again.


Robert Mendoza

On 11/3/2017 6:00 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
With regard to this version of Firefox, and in addition to what
Joseph
posted about it. Here is what me acting as the average unaware
updater
found.
After installation only the menus work, no content on the page is
readable, you cannot go into any browse or focus mode. You just
here
unknown.
Now there may well be some kind of setting that can be altered,
I do
not
know, to achieve what he got, slow but functioning. I could not
find
any
option for this. Not only that but it seemed to lose almost half
of my
bookmarks as well.

So unless they fix this on the release version anyone trying to use
Firefox 57 when it comes out with the latest version of nvda, and I
am up
to date with the master branch here, will not be able to do so
unless
they know how to make it work.
If these people are employees then they will probably need the
permission
of an admin to reinstall a version like 55, and turn off auto
updates. I
have reinstalled 52 in actual fact and got my bookmarks back as
well as
functionality. To my mind the makers of Firefox at the current
state of
play should be able to see if screenreading software is on a
machine
in a
similar way to Adobe reader or Jarte does, and prevent it from
updating
to an unworkable version.
I cannot understand why they have not done this.

Anyone care to comment?
Brian

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Re: can't access my messages in seamonkey

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I have thunderbird now and it looks like it's already set up in imap.




On 11/5/2017 11:48 AM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

Hi


I just checked and it looks like there are extra steps you have to do now to get your  g mail emails. It looks like it is in the g mail account.


The following link from Mozilla should help you and later on today i will follow the directions to set up my g mail account as well then link the extra to the page on thunder bird.


The link to this page is http://pop2imap.com/thunderbird-gmail.php

Gene nz



On 11/6/2017 6:46 AM, Tony Ballou wrote:

Hi Rose Marie,


Strange, it's not the first time that I've heard an seen on 2 separate but recent occasions  that G mail, Thunderbird, and sea monkey have some sort of issue, whether it be signing in, sending or receiving messages. I wish I had an answer for you about this but I'm at a loss. 


Tony

On 11/4/2017 10:52 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, everyone,

 

I can't find any of my messages in seamonkey. What could I be doing wrong? I tried signing in to my gmail account but seamonkey wouldn't accept the information when I know it's correct. What am I doing wrong?

 

Thanks for your help in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 



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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Firefox stuck

slery <slerythema@...>
 

Apparently fixed itself. Onc3 given the option to restore I was able to
restore the main window and uncheck the other 150 windows.
Cindy

On November 5, 2017 1:36:33 PM "slery" <slerythema@gmail.com> wrote:

This morning when I opened Firefox, it opened my last window and then it
kept opening new windows. Using task manager to close showed 153 open windows.

I did not update when it kept bugging me to update.
Cindy





Re: can't access my messages in seamonkey

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Gene NZ,

 

I created the account but now I can't even download my messages.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2017 11:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't access my messages in seamonkey

 

Hi

 

I just checked and it looks like there are extra steps you have to do now to get your  g mail emails. It looks like it is in the g mail account.

 

The following link from Mozilla should help you and later on today i will follow the directions to set up my g mail account as well then link the extra to the page on thunder bird.

 

The link to this page is http://pop2imap.com/thunderbird-gmail.php

Gene nz

 

 

On 11/6/2017 6:46 AM, Tony Ballou wrote:

Hi Rose Marie,

 

Strange, it's not the first time that I've heard an seen on 2 separate but recent occasions  that G mail, Thunderbird, and sea monkey have some sort of issue, whether it be signing in, sending or receiving messages. I wish I had an answer for you about this but I'm at a loss. 

 

Tony

On 11/4/2017 10:52 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, everyone,

 

I can't find any of my messages in seamonkey. What could I be doing wrong? I tried signing in to my gmail account but seamonkey wouldn't accept the information when I know it's correct. What am I doing wrong?

 

Thanks for your help in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

 

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: can't access my messages in seamonkey

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


I just checked and it looks like there are extra steps you have to do now to get your  g mail emails. It looks like it is in the g mail account.


The following link from Mozilla should help you and later on today i will follow the directions to set up my g mail account as well then link the extra to the page on thunder bird.


The link to this page is http://pop2imap.com/thunderbird-gmail.php

Gene nz



On 11/6/2017 6:46 AM, Tony Ballou wrote:

Hi Rose Marie,


Strange, it's not the first time that I've heard an seen on 2 separate but recent occasions  that G mail, Thunderbird, and sea monkey have some sort of issue, whether it be signing in, sending or receiving messages. I wish I had an answer for you about this but I'm at a loss. 


Tony

On 11/4/2017 10:52 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, everyone,

 

I can't find any of my messages in seamonkey. What could I be doing wrong? I tried signing in to my gmail account but seamonkey wouldn't accept the information when I know it's correct. What am I doing wrong?

 

Thanks for your help in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 



--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Firefox stuck

slery <slerythema@...>
 

This morning when I opened Firefox, it opened my last window and then it
kept opening new windows. Using task manager to close showed 153 open windows.

I did not update when it kept bugging me to update.
Cindy


Re: Firefox 57 etc

Tony Ballou
 

Hi Rose Marie,


Because I've seen this happen more than once, I wonder if we can get any
answers from google about it.


Tony

On 11/4/2017 9:40 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Tony,

I just grabed seamonkey but it's asking me for my credentials for my gmail acount. It's not accepting my info. What do I do now?

Thanks.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2017 6:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 etc

Thanks. I'm gonna grab it right now.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Ballou
Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2017 6:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 etc

Hi Rose Marie,


Here ya go!


https://www.dropbox.com/s/g72irjtipcgpn3t/SeaMonkey%20Setup%202.46.exe?dl=0


Tony



On 11/4/2017 9:11 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Thanks. I'd love it.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Tony Ballou
Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2017 6:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 etc

Hi rose Marie,


Interesting, if you're not able to grab it, I have a copy that I can drop box you.


Tony


On 11/4/2017 5:33 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi again, Tony,

I just went on the site and they're fixing the problem for the new update. I'll try again later.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2017 2:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 etc

Hi, Tony,

I just tried to download seamonkey and got an error message saying 400 error not found. What could I be doing wrong?

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Tony Ballou
Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2017 5:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 etc

Hi,


Another alternative to possibly ponder here, in recent months I've been using sea monkey with NVDA and it works great. For those who are not aware, this is an online suite of programs from Mozilla, which combine an HTML editor, web browser, and Email client. It is accessible with NVDA has a myriad of keyboard shortcuts, and if you know Firefox and Thunderbird, you've basically got the game won. Just a thought.


Tony


On 11/3/2017 6:00 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
With regard to this version of Firefox, and in addition to what
Joseph posted about it. Here is what me acting as the average
unaware updater found.
After installation only the menus work, no content on the page is
readable, you cannot go into any browse or focus mode. You just here
unknown.
Now there may well be some kind of setting that can be altered, I do
not know, to achieve what he got, slow but functioning. I could not
find any option for this. Not only that but it seemed to lose almost
half of my bookmarks as well.

So unless they fix this on the release version anyone trying to use
Firefox 57 when it comes out with the latest version of nvda, and I
am up to date with the master branch here, will not be able to do so
unless they know how to make it work.
If these people are employees then they will probably need the
permission of an admin to reinstall a version like 55, and turn off
auto updates. I have reinstalled 52 in actual fact and got my
bookmarks back as well as functionality. To my mind the makers of
Firefox at the current state of play should be able to see if
screenreading software is on a machine in a similar way to Adobe
reader or Jarte does, and prevent it from updating to an unworkable
version.
I cannot understand why they have not done this.

Anyone care to comment?
Brian

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Re: can't access my messages in seamonkey

Tony Ballou
 

Hi Rose Marie,


Strange, it's not the first time that I've heard an seen on 2 separate but recent occasions  that G mail, Thunderbird, and sea monkey have some sort of issue, whether it be signing in, sending or receiving messages. I wish I had an answer for you about this but I'm at a loss. 


Tony

On 11/4/2017 10:52 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, everyone,

 

I can't find any of my messages in seamonkey. What could I be doing wrong? I tried signing in to my gmail account but seamonkey wouldn't accept the information when I know it's correct. What am I doing wrong?

 

Thanks for your help in advance.

 

Rosemarie