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OT: selecting a new laptop is more difficult than before

Deborah Armstrong <debee@...>
 

** This was also cross-posted to Cavi-discuss ***
 
As a screen reader user, I'm finding selecting a new laptop is more difficult than ever before. I'm very curious to see what others think, so please post your thoughts.
 
It used to be that I didn't feel I needed a super fast computer, because I wasn't editing video. And nowadays if you look at reviews of laptops, you'll see that people who edit photos, use CAD systems, create art or engage in heavy gaming need fast machines. But for those who just surf the web, read email and do some light word processing, reviewers maintain that a slower and cheaper laptop will work just fine. In fact, reviews of chromebooks are often mixed in with reviews of inexpensive Windows laptops for just that reason.
 
In 2012 my Acer netbook (An AO-756) was the fastest ultraportable I could buy for under $500. Its processor, a 1.4GHZ Intel Celeron 877 was a dual core from the Sandy Bridge family -- the slowest one in that family, but it wasn't a much slower Atom.    It had a reasonable fast 500GB hard drive. I added 8GB of RAM making it even more useful at running multiple tasks efficiently. I could use Word, Excel and Outlook without latency and of course I did a lot of web surfing. Compared to the computers at work, it was a bit slower, but like the reviewers said, it didn't matter, since I didn't do computation-heavy tasks at home.
 
What's changed today might best be covered in this post:
    https://www.marcozehe.de/2017/09/29/rethinking-web-accessibility-on-windows/
 
which discusses how screen readers access the web. Today, if I have to work with a dynamic website, my little ACER is unbearably slow, despite my having carefully maintained it so it doesn't run unnecessary background tasks, and so that Windows is regularly fully refreshed. 
 
I am convinced the problem is not so much that the PC is slow, but that the screen reader has become a palace built on a shack's foundation. It needs everything it can squeeze out of the processor to handle the new, dynamic web. Seems both NVDA and JAWS fail miserably on slower processors.
 
But if a task does not depend on a screen reader, the machine is still fairly fast.  For example, when I OCR something in Kurzweil 1000, the laptop is just as fast as my much more powerful desktop computers at work. And running something like Handbrake is indeed slower on my laptop but not so slow it cannot be used. A video that takes an hour to convert on my desktop at work might take fifteen extra minutes on the laptop. Handbrake is often used as an informal benchmarking tool.
 
But where instant responsiveness counts, my Netbook falls short. I expect to hear something when I press a key. Often, today, I don't -- seems like I am always waiting for the screen reader to pull itself together and find the focus, or cope with a dynamic partial page refresh, or the next column in the spreadsheet, or read my next email in Thunderbird.
 
The Acer actually got fractionally faster when I upgraded to Windows 10, but even so, I mostly wait after pressing a key to hear something read back to me.
 
My work computers which run Core i7 Pentiums respond immediately, even though they are saddled with far more background tasks required by my job.
 
So if I were to trust reviews, this claim that for the kinds of things I do at home on the laptop I don't need a very powerful machine, I'd buy something with an Atom processor, a 128GB SSD and 2GB of RAM. Clearly that would result in a machine that's even slower than my existing laptop. Plus, it would have a quarter of the storage!
 
I guess the dilemma I'm struggling with here is how to avoid spending a fortune and still get an ultraportable that has no latency when I use a screen reader.
 
What do others think?
 
--Debee


How to access Firefox notifications with NVDA

Mary Otten <motten53@...>
 

I am using the extended service release of Firefox on windows 10 machine with the stable release of NVDA. Sometimes Firefox will put up notices, such as when it offers to remember passwords or when it informs you that has blocked a redirection from the site. How can I access these in order to either tell it I don’t want it to save a password or that I do wanted to allow a redirection?
Mary


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Re: installing 2017-4 RC3

Chris
 

With rc1 i downloaded the full installer but with rc2 and rc3 i forced a check for updates on those occasions

And updated from there

 

 

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Subject: Re: [nvda] installing 2017-4 RC3

 

The only other thing I can think of is, did you all allow an auto prompt of

an update  take place or did you go in to the menu and force a poll of the

site?

 

That way around you had to have had an nvda menu option opened when the

update occurred.

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Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 2:02 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] installing 2017-4 RC3

 

 

> No I don't use the caps lock key.

> On 11/30/2017 4:23 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

>> As a matter of interest do you use caps lock as the nvda key?

>> Brian

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>> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 1:00 AM

>> Subject: [nvda] installing 2017-4 RC3

>> 

>> 

>>> Used the check for updates under the help of the NVDA UI. Installed RC 3

>>> over RC2. For some reason during the update the Windows 10 settings

>>> screen opened and was showing the settings for Narrator.  Never seen

>>> this happen before. Doesn't seem to have caused any issues with the

>>> update just strange that it happened.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

>

 

 

 

 


Re: installing 2017-4 RC3

Chris
 

Its strange or maybe not so but it opens the ease of access section of the settings app but they does not seem to be any reference to nvda in there at all as far as i can see

 

 

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Subject: Re: [nvda] installing 2017-4 RC3

 

Well I seemed to recall this was the case for an earlier reporter and was

just trying to find some common denominator. Could it be somehow related,

but who knows. Otherwise as nothing has changed could the mismatch of not

selected in the temp copy mean that it gets configured when setting it up to

use the same shortcut and copies the settings incorrectly somewhere?

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From: "Chris" <chrismedley@...>

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Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 11:45 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] installing 2017-4 RC3

 

 

This happened to me when i installed rc2

And i use caps lock as the nvda key along with insert

But i don’t see the significance of this though

 

 

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Subject: Re: [nvda] installing 2017-4 RC3

 

As a matter of interest do you use caps lock as the nvda key?

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From: "Don H" <lmddh50@...>

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Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 1:00 AM

Subject: [nvda] installing 2017-4 RC3

 

 

> Used the check for updates under the help of the NVDA UI.  Installed RC 3

> over RC2.  For some reason during the update the Windows 10 settings

> screen opened and was showing the settings for Narrator.  Never seen this

> happen before.  Doesn't seem to have caused any issues with the update

> just strange that it happened.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: installing 2017-4 RC3

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The only other thing I can think of is, did you all allow an auto prompt of an update take place or did you go in to the menu and force a poll of the site?

That way around you had to have had an nvda menu option opened when the update occurred.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@adams.net>
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Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] installing 2017-4 RC3


No I don't use the caps lock key.

On 11/30/2017 4:23 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
As a matter of interest do you use caps lock as the nvda key?
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Don H" <lmddh50@adams.net>
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Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 1:00 AM
Subject: [nvda] installing 2017-4 RC3


Used the check for updates under the help of the NVDA UI. Installed RC 3 over RC2. For some reason during the update the Windows 10 settings screen opened and was showing the settings for Narrator. Never seen this happen before. Doesn't seem to have caused any issues with the update just strange that it happened.









Re: installing 2017-4 RC3

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Oh well two out of three then. I certainly am not seeing this on windows 7.
There is something to be said about not being up to date sometimes.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@adams.net>
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Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] installing 2017-4 RC3


No I don't use the caps lock key.

On 11/30/2017 4:23 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
As a matter of interest do you use caps lock as the nvda key?
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Don H" <lmddh50@adams.net>
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Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 1:00 AM
Subject: [nvda] installing 2017-4 RC3


Used the check for updates under the help of the NVDA UI. Installed RC 3 over RC2. For some reason during the update the Windows 10 settings screen opened and was showing the settings for Narrator. Never seen this happen before. Doesn't seem to have caused any issues with the update just strange that it happened.









Re: NVDA 2017.4rc3 released #nvdasr

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And there was one time when the release itself needed an update to version xxxx.x.x as well.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rui Fontes" <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
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Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.4rc3 released #NVDAsr


It is not the first time...

If I am not mistaken, once it have gone untill RC4...


Rui



Às 01:53 de 30/11/2017, Shaun Everiss escreveu:
Also I think this is the first time we have ever gone to rc3 its not
often.

How close are we from release, I guess once there are no more bugs.




On 30/11/2017 1:47 p.m., Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

They say the best things come in threes and now NVDA 2017.4rc3 is
available
for testing! Coincidence? Probably, but in any case, this release fixes
performance issues in applications such as MIRC which draw a lot of
text to
the screen. For the full details of what is new, and to download the new
build, head to: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2017-4rc3-released/

Kind regards

Quentin.
#NVDAsr



.


Re: installing 2017-4 RC3

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Well I seemed to recall this was the case for an earlier reporter and was just trying to find some common denominator. Could it be somehow related, but who knows. Otherwise as nothing has changed could the mismatch of not selected in the temp copy mean that it gets configured when setting it up to use the same shortcut and copies the settings incorrectly somewhere?
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris" <chrismedley@btinternet.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] installing 2017-4 RC3


This happened to me when i installed rc2
And i use caps lock as the nvda key along with insert
But i don’t see the significance of this though


From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 30 November 2017 10:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] installing 2017-4 RC3

As a matter of interest do you use caps lock as the nvda key?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@adams.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 1:00 AM
Subject: [nvda] installing 2017-4 RC3


Used the check for updates under the help of the NVDA UI. Installed RC 3
over RC2. For some reason during the update the Windows 10 settings
screen opened and was showing the settings for Narrator. Never seen this
happen before. Doesn't seem to have caused any issues with the update
just strange that it happened.




Re: installing 2017-4 RC3

Don H
 

No I don't use the caps lock key.

On 11/30/2017 4:23 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
As a matter of interest do you use caps lock as the nvda key?
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Don H" <lmddh50@adams.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 1:00 AM
Subject: [nvda] installing 2017-4 RC3

Used the check for updates under the help of the NVDA UI.  Installed RC 3 over RC2.  For some reason during the update the Windows 10 settings screen opened and was showing the settings for Narrator. Never seen this happen before.  Doesn't seem to have caused any issues with the update just strange that it happened.




Re: NVDA 2017.4rc3 released #nvdasr

Rui Fontes
 

It is not the first time...

If I am not mistaken, once it have gone untill RC4...


Rui



Às 01:53 de 30/11/2017, Shaun Everiss escreveu:

Also I think this is the first time we have ever gone to rc3 its not often.

How close are we from release, I guess once there are no more bugs.




On 30/11/2017 1:47 p.m., Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

They say the best things come in threes and now NVDA 2017.4rc3 is available
for testing! Coincidence? Probably, but in any case, this release fixes
performance issues in applications such as MIRC which draw a lot of text to
the screen. For the full details of what is new, and to download the new
build, head to: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2017-4rc3-released/

Kind regards

Quentin.
#NVDAsr




.



Re: installing 2017-4 RC3

Chris
 

This happened to me when i installed rc2

And i use caps lock as the nvda key along with insert

But i don’t see the significance of this though

 

 

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 30 November 2017 10:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] installing 2017-4 RC3

 

As a matter of interest do you use caps lock as the nvda key?

Brian

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: "Don H" <lmddh50@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 1:00 AM

Subject: [nvda] installing 2017-4 RC3

 

 

> Used the check for updates under the help of the NVDA UI.  Installed RC 3

> over RC2.  For some reason during the update the Windows 10 settings

> screen opened and was showing the settings for Narrator.  Never seen this

> happen before.  Doesn't seem to have caused any issues with the update

> just strange that it happened.

>

>

 

 

 

 


Re: NVDA 2017.4rc3 released #nvdasr

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Or even this one.
IO - tones.beep (10:45:11.766):
Beep at pitch 1760, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50
IO - speech.speak (10:45:11.825):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Success dialog Successfully created a portable copy of NVDA at C:\\nvda release candidate']
IO - speech.speak (10:45:11.836):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'OK button']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (10:45:17.711):
Input: kb(desktop):space
IO - speech._speakSpellingGen (10:45:17.727):
Speaking character u'space'
DEBUG - queueHandler.registerGeneratorObject (10:45:17.727):
Adding generator 11
IO - speech.speak (10:45:17.729):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'pressed']
DEBUG - queueHandler.pumpAll (10:45:17.743):
generator 11 finished
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (10:45:17.930):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
IO - speech.speak (10:45:17.973):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Creating Portable Copy dialog Please wait while a portable copy of NVDA is created.']
IO - speech.speak (10:45:17.976):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Creating Portable Copy']
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (10:45:18.059):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
IO - speech.speak (10:45:18.101):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Downloads - Mozilla Firefox']
IO - speech.speak (10:45:18.134):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Downloads']
IO - speech.speak (10:45:18.135):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'list']
IO - speech.speak (10:45:18.150):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'nvda_snapshot_rc-14672,338fb3ef.exe 21.3 MB \u2014 windows.net \u2014 10:44 Open Containing Folder 1 of 2']

Off it goes into the error never to be heard from again.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 5:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.4rc3 released #NVDAsr


If you've got the log from the install or when the new version first ran
after installing - it will be one of those two times that the setting got
changed. Whether there is an entry for it in the log is another question
(possibly depending on your log level).

It is an odd one...

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Gene New Zealand <
hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz> wrote:

Hi Quentin


The same thing happened as last time but i know for a fact the following
setting was checked called Automatically start NVDA after I log on to
Windows


I just downloaded the RC3 release and this box was unchecked again as
mentioned above.


I checked it after downloading it to see just in case. I know the setting
was saved to start when windows does.


Come to think of it usually my level is set to debug but it was info..


What could be happening there?


I do not think there would be a log for it but can check.


Same details as before windows 10 Microsoft Windows
Version 1709 (OS Build 16299.64)

with a quad core machine 2 gig of ram and nvda 2017.4 rc3


After the update if i save the settings again it will not do it on the
next reboot it works correctly.


Gene nz



On 11/30/2017 1:47 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi everyone,

They say the best things come in threes and now NVDA 2017.4rc3 is
available for testing! Coincidence? Probably, but in any case, this release
fixes performance issues in applications such as MIRC which draw a lot of
text to the screen. For the full details of what is new, and to download
the new build, head to: https://www.nvaccess.org/
post/nvda-2017-4rc3-released/

Kind regards

Quentin.
#NVDAsr
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Re: NVDA 2017.4rc3 released #nvdasr

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It could be another issue like mine on restarting after an update sometimes fails with that error and the log is written in the main nvda folder saying the log could not be written to. As I say, its just happened again with one of this mornings updates, so the termination of the temp copy of the installer just locks up during the shut down process locking everything when it tries to restart.

IO - speech.speak (10:34:33.776):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Success dialog Successfully created a portable copy of NVDA at C:\\nvda extra']
IO - speech.speak (10:34:33.788):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'OK button']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (10:34:43.382):
Input: kb(desktop):space
IO - speech._speakSpellingGen (10:34:43.395):
Speaking character u'space'
DEBUG - queueHandler.registerGeneratorObject (10:34:43.397):
Adding generator 9
IO - speech.speak (10:34:43.398):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'pressed']
DEBUG - queueHandler.pumpAll (10:34:43.408):
generator 9 finished
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (10:34:43.586):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
IO - speech.speak (10:34:43.627):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Creating Portable Copy dialog Please wait while a portable copy of NVDA is created.']
IO - speech.speak (10:34:43.631):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Creating Portable Copy']
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (10:34:43.710):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
IO - speech.speak (10:34:43.755):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Downloads - Mozilla Firefox']
IO - speech.speak (10:34:43.789):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Downloads']
IO - speech.speak (10:34:43.790):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'list']
IO - speech.speak (10:34:43.805):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'nvda_snapshot_next-14675,14728b95.exe 21.3 MB \u2014 windows.net \u2014 10:33 Open Containing Folder 1 of 1']


zap its gorn and never seen again!
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 5:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.4rc3 released #NVDAsr


If you've got the log from the install or when the new version first ran
after installing - it will be one of those two times that the setting got
changed. Whether there is an entry for it in the log is another question
(possibly depending on your log level).

It is an odd one...

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Gene New Zealand <
hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz> wrote:

Hi Quentin


The same thing happened as last time but i know for a fact the following
setting was checked called Automatically start NVDA after I log on to
Windows


I just downloaded the RC3 release and this box was unchecked again as
mentioned above.


I checked it after downloading it to see just in case. I know the setting
was saved to start when windows does.


Come to think of it usually my level is set to debug but it was info..


What could be happening there?


I do not think there would be a log for it but can check.


Same details as before windows 10 Microsoft Windows
Version 1709 (OS Build 16299.64)

with a quad core machine 2 gig of ram and nvda 2017.4 rc3


After the update if i save the settings again it will not do it on the
next reboot it works correctly.


Gene nz



On 11/30/2017 1:47 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi everyone,

They say the best things come in threes and now NVDA 2017.4rc3 is
available for testing! Coincidence? Probably, but in any case, this release
fixes performance issues in applications such as MIRC which draw a lot of
text to the screen. For the full details of what is new, and to download
the new build, head to: https://www.nvaccess.org/
post/nvda-2017-4rc3-released/

Kind regards

Quentin.
#NVDAsr
--
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Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess


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Re: subscription info needed

Gary Metzler
 

Thanks Brian.

 

Regards, Gary kn4ox

 

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Blindphones.groups.io is on the Mozen consulting web site.

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Subject: [nvda] subscription info needed

 

 

Hi All,

 

Can someone send me the subscription info for the following groups.

blind tech

blind phone blind users

Thanks for any help.  Regards, Gary kn4ox

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Fw: [Nvda-devel] NVDA 2017.4rc3 released

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Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 12:36 AM
Subject: [Nvda-devel] NVDA 2017.4rc3 released


Hi all,


Yet another rc now available. RC3 fixes some performance issues in applications such as MIRC which draw a lot of text using Windows GDI. (#7803).


I'm really hoping to get the official 2017.4 release out on Monday. Fingers crossed.


RC3 blog post: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2017-4rc3-released/


Mick



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Re: NVDA 2017.4rc3 released #nvdasr

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Mick is crossing everything for Monday I think.
I expect some people will find something odd, but hopefully its minor.
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Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 1:53 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.4rc3 released #NVDAsr


Also I think this is the first time we have ever gone to rc3 its not often.

How close are we from release, I guess once there are no more bugs.




On 30/11/2017 1:47 p.m., Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

They say the best things come in threes and now NVDA 2017.4rc3 is available
for testing! Coincidence? Probably, but in any case, this release fixes
performance issues in applications such as MIRC which draw a lot of text to
the screen. For the full details of what is new, and to download the new
build, head to: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2017-4rc3-released/

Kind regards

Quentin.
#NVDAsr


Re: installing 2017-4 RC3

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As a matter of interest do you use caps lock as the nvda key?
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Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 1:00 AM
Subject: [nvda] installing 2017-4 RC3


Used the check for updates under the help of the NVDA UI. Installed RC 3 over RC2. For some reason during the update the Windows 10 settings screen opened and was showing the settings for Narrator. Never seen this happen before. Doesn't seem to have caused any issues with the update just strange that it happened.



Re: NVDA 2017.4rc3 released #nvdasr

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Does it fix the combo box issues in chrome on google translate and amazons departments?
I don't use Chrome myself, but have seen several messages about this working before but not now on this list.
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Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 12:47 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2017.4rc3 released #NVDAsr


Hi everyone,

They say the best things come in threes and now NVDA 2017.4rc3 is available
for testing! Coincidence? Probably, but in any case, this release fixes
performance issues in applications such as MIRC which draw a lot of text to
the screen. For the full details of what is new, and to download the new
build, head to: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2017-4rc3-released/

Kind regards

Quentin.
#NVDAsr
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Re: Calendar or reminder app that works well with NVDA?

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Depends if it has to interface with other apps or not. I'm using the wbbie one myself but i prefer not to have calendars messing with other software.
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Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 10:54 PM
Subject: [nvda] Calendar or reminder app that works well with NVDA?


Hi all. Any got a recommendation for one or more of these? I'm guessing something that will sit in the system tray or something. I'm not running Outlook, and I can never remember if Thunderbird has a calendar or if it's an add-on, or how useful it is.



Re: After unistall Office 2016 with Microsoft Removal Tool nvda don't work fine

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The problem occurs though if its a different office version.

I don't think Microsoft have altered the installers and uninstallers at all and also have still got the bug in the old versions of course as they are installed.
What we really need to know here is this. If this command we all have to use in such cases, is used when the problem is either not there or is a different problem does it have adverse effects on an installed windows system.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] After unistall Office 2016 with Microsoft Removal Tool nvda don't work fine


Office installers have a habbit of unregistering dlls but if you reinstall office that should be ok.




On 30/11/2017 10:29 a.m., Gene wrote:
It may be the unregistered dlls problem again. Others can comment further and I don't know if it could cause such problems but it causes problems when office is removed so that's my guess.

I bet you can't use Internet Explorer, Firefox, or Chrome either.

Gene
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Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 2:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] After unistall Office 2016 with Microsoft Removal Tool nvda don't work fine


Hi,

today, in the work workstation,I've decided to unistall Office 2016 and
install Office 2010, because nvda work very well with office 2010.

The IT team decide to remove office with Microsoft Removal Tool.

After this operation the IT operator install office 2010.

After rebboting the system, windows 10, nvda don't work fine.

Don't read a lot of program interface, this is an extract nvda log:


DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(17:56:40.368):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'Parametro non corretto.', (None, None,
None, 0, None))
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (17:56:41.923):
Input: kb(desktop):windows+x
IO - speech.speak (17:56:41.964):
Speaking [u'Sconosciuto']
DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (17:56:42.013):
oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 460776, objectID -4 and
childID 0: [Error -2147312566] Errore durante il caricamento della
libreria DLL dei tipi
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (17:56:43.450):
Input: kb(desktop):escape

Any idea for resolve this problem?

Thanks.