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Re: Access32 addon

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So where is it hosted exactly? I don't know much about Window Eyees. I do know that for example there used to be an add on for nvda for SAM from Dolphin that allowed dolphin synths to be used, and as sam is freeware then this was fine as you had to buy their products to get the voices then they did not really lose out.
However one issue we are probably going to see about add ons is that the next versions of NVDA are going to require add on changes to work correctly and some of the original authors have moved on so who will update them?

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@adams.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 2:22 PM
Subject: [nvda] Access32 addon


So early on in my switch to NVDA from Window Eyes I asked about the availability of a Syn for NVDA similar to the Access 32 speech syn I was using with Window Eyes. Someone sent me a link to the Access 32 addon for NVDA. I am somewhat confused now as to whether this is a legal addon for NVDA. It appears that it was somehow derived from the Access 32 syn from GW Micro. Anyone got any history on the Access 32 speech syn addon for NVDA?
Thanks



Re: NVDA Problems with dynamic content

Gene
 

You can use a firefox add on like no script but that may be more fooling around than you want to do and since it is a work situation, I doubt you can put it on your machine, but you might want to ask.  Then, there is another possible proboem.  I don't know if no script is being updated in time to work without an interruption when the quantum version of firefox comes out in about ninew days.
 
You can turn JAVA script off in the browser but then you'd have to turn it on again when you aren't working with the page.
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Problems with dynamic content

I have also looked at advanced browser settings. It should not update content automatically. But though it does. I need java script for several actions on other pages. Is it possible to turn java off just for a particular webpage of a website? It is surprising that jaws does not have this problem.


Best
Adriani

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 09.11.2017 um 15:20 schrieb Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@...>:

Thank you alot for all suggestions. Unfortunately the problem still continues to exist. It is driving me crazy to hear this all the time. I will have to create an issue. Hopefully it gets solved soon.


Best
Adriani

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 09.11.2017 um 14:45 schrieb Gene <gsasner@...>:

Have you looked in advanced settings in options for the check box that says Warn me when websites try to redirect or reload the page?  You probably have and it may have no bearing on this problem.  If you turn off JAVA script support, you will be able to look at the page without part of it updating but you may not be able to do what you want on the page.  But if you want to see what is there just to see what you haven't seen on that part of the page, that's an option.  Or you could select all, copy it to the clipboard and look at it in a word processor or Notepad.  But again, this is to look at the content of the page and I don't know if there is any way to interact with any part of the page when using a word processor.  I discussed the landmarks setting in another message but I have no idea if that will help and I suspect you've already tried it.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 7:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Problems with dynamic content

This may be a problem with announcing landmarks or a related setting.  Look for the report landmarks setting in the document presentation dialog and try unchecking it.  I don't know if that will help but you might as well try changing it.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 7:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Problems with dynamic content

the Problem is, the page does not refresh itself. It's just the Region where time zones stay up to date. But NVDA speaks every update. Even if I Change the Windows or even when I am typing this E-Mail. How to stop it?

Please have a look at the debug which I have posted here.


Best
Adriani

2017-11-09 13:39 GMT+01:00 Gene <gsasner@...>:
I'm not sure just What you have in mind.  Should NVDA give the user more control of what is spoken?  Can't this already be done by a combination of the dynamic content setting and land mark settings in the browser?  What do other screen-readers do better? 
 
If you are talking about situations where pages refresh, JAWS, the only other screen-reader I'm familiar with in current production where this behavior can be regulated, allows you to turn page refreshes off but it can't stop all page refreshes.  Firefox has a setting that stops all refreshes and notifies the user when a page wants to refresh, requiring manual permission. 
This appears to me to be something the browser should be able to be set to control. 
 
We've seen discussion recently about an expanding  newer paradigm that screen-readers should receive accessibility information from the browser as the main means of access.  This would seem to me to go along with the newer paradigm.
Gene
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Mallard
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 3:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Problems with dynamic content


Hello,


Disabling scripts doesn't always help, because it may cause other issues
on certain sites.


I honestly think NVDA should do something radical about solving the
dynamic content issue, either within the screen reader itself, or
through an add-on.


If other screen readers can handle it, I'm sure NVDA can too.


Sorry, I can't code... I'd love to help otherwise.
Ciao, and thanks for all the great work the community is doing all the time.
Ollie





Il 09/11/2017 10:30, zahra ha scritto:
> hello.
> can you please tell me how to turn off or on dynamic content i nvda?
> i did not find such setting!
> i desable javascript, and any other script or active x, etc.
> hope that help, God bless you all.
>
> On 11/9/17, Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@...> wrote:
>> Dear all,
>>
>> we have recently implemented a share point solution at work. This includes
>> a browser based portal which is customized. As we are a very international
>> Company, there is a part on the Portal which contains dynamic Content.
>> Specifically it contains the time zones of all places in the world where we
>> are active. The time updates constantly and NVDA does not stop speaking.
>> Animations in IE are turned of, dynamic Content in NVDA Settings as well.
>> Jaws does not have this Problem. Here is what I get from NVDA Debug:
>>
>>
>> DEBUG - treeInterceptorHandler.update (09:56:27):
>>
>> Adding new treeInterceptor to runningTable: <virtualBuffers.MSHTML.MSHTML
>> object at 0x0539B7D0>
>>
>>
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:32):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6cb0> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aad00> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa940> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6760> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa350> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aaee0> already deleted
>>
>>
>>
>> MSHTML node has ancestor IAccessible: False
>>
>> MSHTML nodeName: u'A'
>>
>>
>>
>> Windows 8.1 64bit and NVDA 2017.2 is the set up.
>>
>>
>> Any suggestions how to fix it?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you in advance.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Adriani
>>
>





Re: NVDA Problems with dynamic content

Gene
 

I meant document formatting.  Sorry about the error.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 8:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Problems with dynamic content

I don‘t find such a setting in presentation dialog.  In document formating dialog landmarks and frames are unchecked.

Best
Adriani


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 09.11.2017 um 14:05 schrieb Gene <gsasner@...>:

This may be a problem with announcing landmarks or a related setting.  Look for the report landmarks setting in the document presentation dialog and try unchecking it.  I don't know if that will help but you might as well try changing it.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 7:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Problems with dynamic content

the Problem is, the page does not refresh itself. It's just the Region where time zones stay up to date. But NVDA speaks every update. Even if I Change the Windows or even when I am typing this E-Mail. How to stop it?

Please have a look at the debug which I have posted here.


Best
Adriani

2017-11-09 13:39 GMT+01:00 Gene <gsasner@...>:
I'm not sure just What you have in mind.  Should NVDA give the user more control of what is spoken?  Can't this already be done by a combination of the dynamic content setting and land mark settings in the browser?  What do other screen-readers do better? 
 
If you are talking about situations where pages refresh, JAWS, the only other screen-reader I'm familiar with in current production where this behavior can be regulated, allows you to turn page refreshes off but it can't stop all page refreshes.  Firefox has a setting that stops all refreshes and notifies the user when a page wants to refresh, requiring manual permission. 
This appears to me to be something the browser should be able to be set to control. 
 
We've seen discussion recently about an expanding  newer paradigm that screen-readers should receive accessibility information from the browser as the main means of access.  This would seem to me to go along with the newer paradigm.
Gene
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Mallard
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 3:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Problems with dynamic content


Hello,


Disabling scripts doesn't always help, because it may cause other issues
on certain sites.


I honestly think NVDA should do something radical about solving the
dynamic content issue, either within the screen reader itself, or
through an add-on.


If other screen readers can handle it, I'm sure NVDA can too.


Sorry, I can't code... I'd love to help otherwise.
Ciao, and thanks for all the great work the community is doing all the time.
Ollie





Il 09/11/2017 10:30, zahra ha scritto:
> hello.
> can you please tell me how to turn off or on dynamic content i nvda?
> i did not find such setting!
> i desable javascript, and any other script or active x, etc.
> hope that help, God bless you all.
>
> On 11/9/17, Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@...> wrote:
>> Dear all,
>>
>> we have recently implemented a share point solution at work. This includes
>> a browser based portal which is customized. As we are a very international
>> Company, there is a part on the Portal which contains dynamic Content.
>> Specifically it contains the time zones of all places in the world where we
>> are active. The time updates constantly and NVDA does not stop speaking.
>> Animations in IE are turned of, dynamic Content in NVDA Settings as well.
>> Jaws does not have this Problem. Here is what I get from NVDA Debug:
>>
>>
>> DEBUG - treeInterceptorHandler.update (09:56:27):
>>
>> Adding new treeInterceptor to runningTable: <virtualBuffers.MSHTML.MSHTML
>> object at 0x0539B7D0>
>>
>>
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:32):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6cb0> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aad00> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa940> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6760> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa350> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aaee0> already deleted
>>
>>
>>
>> MSHTML node has ancestor IAccessible: False
>>
>> MSHTML nodeName: u'A'
>>
>>
>>
>> Windows 8.1 64bit and NVDA 2017.2 is the set up.
>>
>>
>> Any suggestions how to fix it?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you in advance.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Adriani
>>
>





Re: a question about some buttons on websites.

Gene
 

Here is more information.  It appears the site allows use of both Flash and HTML5.  I'd have to do more testing to find out which is the default.  But I got a Flash stream when I used Firefox.  Because I tested with XP, where browser versions aren't current, such as the ESR Firefox version, I'm not sure what stream others might get, but the button appears to work properly.  I stayed in browse mode in Firefox and I used the space bar.  You may have a problem where, for some reason, whatever format is being used with your browser on the site isn't being played by your system.  Using a different browser may result in a different format being played or perhaps the other browser will play the format that isn't being played now.
 
Gene

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 8:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a question about some buttons on websites.

What browser are you using and are you using a current or reasonably current version?  This is an HTML5 stream. 
 
Because you discussed your guess that the button wasn't working or that something else had to be worked with, I didn't try activating the button in the most common way.  I moved to the button, turned browse mode off, then I pressed enter on the button.  The video played.  I used Chrome for the test.  Did you test with more than one browser?  You should always test with at least two browsers when trouble shooting a problem where a web site doesn't do something or do it properly.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 7:13 AM
Subject: [nvda] a question about some buttons on websites.

Hi friends. Ken here. I have recently found a new cartoons website and I’d love to watch them.  There is a problem and I’m pretty sure it’s asn NVDA issue.  On videos instead of it playing automaticly there is a start playback button.  I hit it with enter, space bar and even move the mouse to focuse on it and  nothing happens.  I have noticed the same thing on submittion buttons on CD baby and a few other sites.  It  is as if there is something inside the button that NVDA can’t quite see.  Can anyone on list take a look at www.b99.tv, search for the flintstones and pick any or the 169 search results and find out what is inside that button that NVDA can’t seem to focuse on and activate it.  It identifies it as a button and as a playback button but can’t activate it. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Firefox 57 from an NVDA user's perspective - Marco's Accessibility Blog

Stephen
 

Maybe it only works properly first time when you start with a brand new profile, I don't know, I am only guessing.

At 04:34 AM 11/9/2017, you wrote:
So how come whe I downloaded it and installed it it just said unknown. the checkboxes had not been touched at all?
I think this is the main problem. some get it to work while others say only its menus do not also of course the show stopper for me is add ons as well.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 57 from an NVDA user's perspective - Marco's Accessibility Blog


Hi!
I just upgraded to beta 14 of Firefox 57 to get a first-hand impression of
the slowness, or performance issue, that seems to be plaguing early
adopters. While I agree that it seems to be slower where page loading and
general responsiveness are concerned, I also find that stability and
reliability are great, including complex web pages. It takes some getting
used to but isn't altogether an unpleasant experience as it is quite
deterministic.
Greetings,
Felix

Michel Such <michel.such@free.fr> schrieb am Di., 7. Nov. 2017 um 16:43 Uhr:

Very interesting article:

https://www.marcozehe.de/2017/11/07/firefox-57-nvda-users-perspective/


--


Michel Such





Re: NVDA Problems with dynamic content

Adriani Botez
 

I have also looked at advanced browser settings. It should not update content automatically. But though it does. I need java script for several actions on other pages. Is it possible to turn java off just for a particular webpage of a website? It is surprising that jaws does not have this problem.


Best
Adriani

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 09.11.2017 um 15:20 schrieb Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@...>:

Thank you alot for all suggestions. Unfortunately the problem still continues to exist. It is driving me crazy to hear this all the time. I will have to create an issue. Hopefully it gets solved soon.


Best
Adriani

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 09.11.2017 um 14:45 schrieb Gene <gsasner@...>:

Have you looked in advanced settings in options for the check box that says Warn me when websites try to redirect or reload the page?  You probably have and it may have no bearing on this problem.  If you turn off JAVA script support, you will be able to look at the page without part of it updating but you may not be able to do what you want on the page.  But if you want to see what is there just to see what you haven't seen on that part of the page, that's an option.  Or you could select all, copy it to the clipboard and look at it in a word processor or Notepad.  But again, this is to look at the content of the page and I don't know if there is any way to interact with any part of the page when using a word processor.  I discussed the landmarks setting in another message but I have no idea if that will help and I suspect you've already tried it.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 7:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Problems with dynamic content

This may be a problem with announcing landmarks or a related setting.  Look for the report landmarks setting in the document presentation dialog and try unchecking it.  I don't know if that will help but you might as well try changing it.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 7:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Problems with dynamic content

the Problem is, the page does not refresh itself. It's just the Region where time zones stay up to date. But NVDA speaks every update. Even if I Change the Windows or even when I am typing this E-Mail. How to stop it?

Please have a look at the debug which I have posted here.


Best
Adriani

2017-11-09 13:39 GMT+01:00 Gene <gsasner@...>:
I'm not sure just What you have in mind.  Should NVDA give the user more control of what is spoken?  Can't this already be done by a combination of the dynamic content setting and land mark settings in the browser?  What do other screen-readers do better? 
 
If you are talking about situations where pages refresh, JAWS, the only other screen-reader I'm familiar with in current production where this behavior can be regulated, allows you to turn page refreshes off but it can't stop all page refreshes.  Firefox has a setting that stops all refreshes and notifies the user when a page wants to refresh, requiring manual permission. 
This appears to me to be something the browser should be able to be set to control. 
 
We've seen discussion recently about an expanding  newer paradigm that screen-readers should receive accessibility information from the browser as the main means of access.  This would seem to me to go along with the newer paradigm.
Gene
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Mallard
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 3:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Problems with dynamic content


Hello,


Disabling scripts doesn't always help, because it may cause other issues
on certain sites.


I honestly think NVDA should do something radical about solving the
dynamic content issue, either within the screen reader itself, or
through an add-on.


If other screen readers can handle it, I'm sure NVDA can too.


Sorry, I can't code... I'd love to help otherwise.
Ciao, and thanks for all the great work the community is doing all the time.
Ollie





Il 09/11/2017 10:30, zahra ha scritto:
> hello.
> can you please tell me how to turn off or on dynamic content i nvda?
> i did not find such setting!
> i desable javascript, and any other script or active x, etc.
> hope that help, God bless you all.
>
> On 11/9/17, Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@...> wrote:
>> Dear all,
>>
>> we have recently implemented a share point solution at work. This includes
>> a browser based portal which is customized. As we are a very international
>> Company, there is a part on the Portal which contains dynamic Content.
>> Specifically it contains the time zones of all places in the world where we
>> are active. The time updates constantly and NVDA does not stop speaking.
>> Animations in IE are turned of, dynamic Content in NVDA Settings as well.
>> Jaws does not have this Problem. Here is what I get from NVDA Debug:
>>
>>
>> DEBUG - treeInterceptorHandler.update (09:56:27):
>>
>> Adding new treeInterceptor to runningTable: <virtualBuffers.MSHTML.MSHTML
>> object at 0x0539B7D0>
>>
>>
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:32):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6cb0> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aad00> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa940> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6760> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa350> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aaee0> already deleted
>>
>>
>>
>> MSHTML node has ancestor IAccessible: False
>>
>> MSHTML nodeName: u'A'
>>
>>
>>
>> Windows 8.1 64bit and NVDA 2017.2 is the set up.
>>
>>
>> Any suggestions how to fix it?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you in advance.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Adriani
>>
>





Access32 addon

Don H
 

So early on in my switch to NVDA from Window Eyes I asked about the availability of a Syn for NVDA similar to the Access 32 speech syn I was using with Window Eyes. Someone sent me a link to the Access 32 addon for NVDA. I am somewhat confused now as to whether this is a legal addon for NVDA. It appears that it was somehow derived from the Access 32 syn from GW Micro. Anyone got any history on the Access 32 speech syn addon for NVDA?
Thanks


Re: NVDA Problems with dynamic content

Adriani Botez
 

Thank you alot for all suggestions. Unfortunately the problem still continues to exist. It is driving me crazy to hear this all the time. I will have to create an issue. Hopefully it gets solved soon.


Best
Adriani

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 09.11.2017 um 14:45 schrieb Gene <gsasner@...>:

Have you looked in advanced settings in options for the check box that says Warn me when websites try to redirect or reload the page?  You probably have and it may have no bearing on this problem.  If you turn off JAVA script support, you will be able to look at the page without part of it updating but you may not be able to do what you want on the page.  But if you want to see what is there just to see what you haven't seen on that part of the page, that's an option.  Or you could select all, copy it to the clipboard and look at it in a word processor or Notepad.  But again, this is to look at the content of the page and I don't know if there is any way to interact with any part of the page when using a word processor.  I discussed the landmarks setting in another message but I have no idea if that will help and I suspect you've already tried it.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 7:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Problems with dynamic content

This may be a problem with announcing landmarks or a related setting.  Look for the report landmarks setting in the document presentation dialog and try unchecking it.  I don't know if that will help but you might as well try changing it.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 7:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Problems with dynamic content

the Problem is, the page does not refresh itself. It's just the Region where time zones stay up to date. But NVDA speaks every update. Even if I Change the Windows or even when I am typing this E-Mail. How to stop it?

Please have a look at the debug which I have posted here.


Best
Adriani

2017-11-09 13:39 GMT+01:00 Gene <gsasner@...>:
I'm not sure just What you have in mind.  Should NVDA give the user more control of what is spoken?  Can't this already be done by a combination of the dynamic content setting and land mark settings in the browser?  What do other screen-readers do better? 
 
If you are talking about situations where pages refresh, JAWS, the only other screen-reader I'm familiar with in current production where this behavior can be regulated, allows you to turn page refreshes off but it can't stop all page refreshes.  Firefox has a setting that stops all refreshes and notifies the user when a page wants to refresh, requiring manual permission. 
This appears to me to be something the browser should be able to be set to control. 
 
We've seen discussion recently about an expanding  newer paradigm that screen-readers should receive accessibility information from the browser as the main means of access.  This would seem to me to go along with the newer paradigm.
Gene
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Mallard
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 3:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Problems with dynamic content


Hello,


Disabling scripts doesn't always help, because it may cause other issues
on certain sites.


I honestly think NVDA should do something radical about solving the
dynamic content issue, either within the screen reader itself, or
through an add-on.


If other screen readers can handle it, I'm sure NVDA can too.


Sorry, I can't code... I'd love to help otherwise.
Ciao, and thanks for all the great work the community is doing all the time.
Ollie





Il 09/11/2017 10:30, zahra ha scritto:
> hello.
> can you please tell me how to turn off or on dynamic content i nvda?
> i did not find such setting!
> i desable javascript, and any other script or active x, etc.
> hope that help, God bless you all.
>
> On 11/9/17, Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@...> wrote:
>> Dear all,
>>
>> we have recently implemented a share point solution at work. This includes
>> a browser based portal which is customized. As we are a very international
>> Company, there is a part on the Portal which contains dynamic Content.
>> Specifically it contains the time zones of all places in the world where we
>> are active. The time updates constantly and NVDA does not stop speaking.
>> Animations in IE are turned of, dynamic Content in NVDA Settings as well.
>> Jaws does not have this Problem. Here is what I get from NVDA Debug:
>>
>>
>> DEBUG - treeInterceptorHandler.update (09:56:27):
>>
>> Adding new treeInterceptor to runningTable: <virtualBuffers.MSHTML.MSHTML
>> object at 0x0539B7D0>
>>
>>
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:32):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6cb0> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aad00> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa940> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6760> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa350> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aaee0> already deleted
>>
>>
>>
>> MSHTML node has ancestor IAccessible: False
>>
>> MSHTML nodeName: u'A'
>>
>>
>>
>> Windows 8.1 64bit and NVDA 2017.2 is the set up.
>>
>>
>> Any suggestions how to fix it?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you in advance.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Adriani
>>
>





Re: NVDA Problems with dynamic content

Adriani Botez
 

I don‘t find such a setting in presentation dialog.  In document formating dialog landmarks and frames are unchecked.

Best
Adriani


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 09.11.2017 um 14:05 schrieb Gene <gsasner@...>:

This may be a problem with announcing landmarks or a related setting.  Look for the report landmarks setting in the document presentation dialog and try unchecking it.  I don't know if that will help but you might as well try changing it.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 7:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Problems with dynamic content

the Problem is, the page does not refresh itself. It's just the Region where time zones stay up to date. But NVDA speaks every update. Even if I Change the Windows or even when I am typing this E-Mail. How to stop it?

Please have a look at the debug which I have posted here.


Best
Adriani

2017-11-09 13:39 GMT+01:00 Gene <gsasner@...>:
I'm not sure just What you have in mind.  Should NVDA give the user more control of what is spoken?  Can't this already be done by a combination of the dynamic content setting and land mark settings in the browser?  What do other screen-readers do better? 
 
If you are talking about situations where pages refresh, JAWS, the only other screen-reader I'm familiar with in current production where this behavior can be regulated, allows you to turn page refreshes off but it can't stop all page refreshes.  Firefox has a setting that stops all refreshes and notifies the user when a page wants to refresh, requiring manual permission. 
This appears to me to be something the browser should be able to be set to control. 
 
We've seen discussion recently about an expanding  newer paradigm that screen-readers should receive accessibility information from the browser as the main means of access.  This would seem to me to go along with the newer paradigm.
Gene
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Mallard
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 3:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Problems with dynamic content


Hello,


Disabling scripts doesn't always help, because it may cause other issues
on certain sites.


I honestly think NVDA should do something radical about solving the
dynamic content issue, either within the screen reader itself, or
through an add-on.


If other screen readers can handle it, I'm sure NVDA can too.


Sorry, I can't code... I'd love to help otherwise.
Ciao, and thanks for all the great work the community is doing all the time.
Ollie





Il 09/11/2017 10:30, zahra ha scritto:
> hello.
> can you please tell me how to turn off or on dynamic content i nvda?
> i did not find such setting!
> i desable javascript, and any other script or active x, etc.
> hope that help, God bless you all.
>
> On 11/9/17, Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@...> wrote:
>> Dear all,
>>
>> we have recently implemented a share point solution at work. This includes
>> a browser based portal which is customized. As we are a very international
>> Company, there is a part on the Portal which contains dynamic Content.
>> Specifically it contains the time zones of all places in the world where we
>> are active. The time updates constantly and NVDA does not stop speaking.
>> Animations in IE are turned of, dynamic Content in NVDA Settings as well.
>> Jaws does not have this Problem. Here is what I get from NVDA Debug:
>>
>>
>> DEBUG - treeInterceptorHandler.update (09:56:27):
>>
>> Adding new treeInterceptor to runningTable: <virtualBuffers.MSHTML.MSHTML
>> object at 0x0539B7D0>
>>
>>
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:32):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6cb0> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aad00> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa940> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6760> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa350> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aaee0> already deleted
>>
>>
>>
>> MSHTML node has ancestor IAccessible: False
>>
>> MSHTML nodeName: u'A'
>>
>>
>>
>> Windows 8.1 64bit and NVDA 2017.2 is the set up.
>>
>>
>> Any suggestions how to fix it?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you in advance.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Adriani
>>
>





Re: a question about some buttons on websites.

Gene
 

What browser are you using and are you using a current or reasonably current version?  This is an HTML5 stream. 
 
Because you discussed your guess that the button wasn't working or that something else had to be worked with, I didn't try activating the button in the most common way.  I moved to the button, turned browse mode off, then I pressed enter on the button.  The video played.  I used Chrome for the test.  Did you test with more than one browser?  You should always test with at least two browsers when trouble shooting a problem where a web site doesn't do something or do it properly.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 7:13 AM
Subject: [nvda] a question about some buttons on websites.

Hi friends. Ken here. I have recently found a new cartoons website and I’d love to watch them.  There is a problem and I’m pretty sure it’s asn NVDA issue.  On videos instead of it playing automaticly there is a start playback button.  I hit it with enter, space bar and even move the mouse to focuse on it and  nothing happens.  I have noticed the same thing on submittion buttons on CD baby and a few other sites.  It  is as if there is something inside the button that NVDA can’t quite see.  Can anyone on list take a look at www.b99.tv, search for the flintstones and pick any or the 169 search results and find out what is inside that button that NVDA can’t seem to focuse on and activate it.  It identifies it as a button and as a playback button but can’t activate it. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: NVDA Problems with dynamic content

Gene
 

Have you looked in advanced settings in options for the check box that says Warn me when websites try to redirect or reload the page?  You probably have and it may have no bearing on this problem.  If you turn off JAVA script support, you will be able to look at the page without part of it updating but you may not be able to do what you want on the page.  But if you want to see what is there just to see what you haven't seen on that part of the page, that's an option.  Or you could select all, copy it to the clipboard and look at it in a word processor or Notepad.  But again, this is to look at the content of the page and I don't know if there is any way to interact with any part of the page when using a word processor.  I discussed the landmarks setting in another message but I have no idea if that will help and I suspect you've already tried it.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 7:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Problems with dynamic content

This may be a problem with announcing landmarks or a related setting.  Look for the report landmarks setting in the document presentation dialog and try unchecking it.  I don't know if that will help but you might as well try changing it.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 7:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Problems with dynamic content

the Problem is, the page does not refresh itself. It's just the Region where time zones stay up to date. But NVDA speaks every update. Even if I Change the Windows or even when I am typing this E-Mail. How to stop it?

Please have a look at the debug which I have posted here.


Best
Adriani

2017-11-09 13:39 GMT+01:00 Gene <gsasner@...>:
I'm not sure just What you have in mind.  Should NVDA give the user more control of what is spoken?  Can't this already be done by a combination of the dynamic content setting and land mark settings in the browser?  What do other screen-readers do better? 
 
If you are talking about situations where pages refresh, JAWS, the only other screen-reader I'm familiar with in current production where this behavior can be regulated, allows you to turn page refreshes off but it can't stop all page refreshes.  Firefox has a setting that stops all refreshes and notifies the user when a page wants to refresh, requiring manual permission. 
This appears to me to be something the browser should be able to be set to control. 
 
We've seen discussion recently about an expanding  newer paradigm that screen-readers should receive accessibility information from the browser as the main means of access.  This would seem to me to go along with the newer paradigm.
Gene
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Mallard
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 3:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Problems with dynamic content


Hello,


Disabling scripts doesn't always help, because it may cause other issues
on certain sites.


I honestly think NVDA should do something radical about solving the
dynamic content issue, either within the screen reader itself, or
through an add-on.


If other screen readers can handle it, I'm sure NVDA can too.


Sorry, I can't code... I'd love to help otherwise.
Ciao, and thanks for all the great work the community is doing all the time.
Ollie





Il 09/11/2017 10:30, zahra ha scritto:
> hello.
> can you please tell me how to turn off or on dynamic content i nvda?
> i did not find such setting!
> i desable javascript, and any other script or active x, etc.
> hope that help, God bless you all.
>
> On 11/9/17, Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@...> wrote:
>> Dear all,
>>
>> we have recently implemented a share point solution at work. This includes
>> a browser based portal which is customized. As we are a very international
>> Company, there is a part on the Portal which contains dynamic Content.
>> Specifically it contains the time zones of all places in the world where we
>> are active. The time updates constantly and NVDA does not stop speaking.
>> Animations in IE are turned of, dynamic Content in NVDA Settings as well.
>> Jaws does not have this Problem. Here is what I get from NVDA Debug:
>>
>>
>> DEBUG - treeInterceptorHandler.update (09:56:27):
>>
>> Adding new treeInterceptor to runningTable: <virtualBuffers.MSHTML.MSHTML
>> object at 0x0539B7D0>
>>
>>
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:32):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6cb0> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aad00> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa940> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6760> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa350> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aaee0> already deleted
>>
>>
>>
>> MSHTML node has ancestor IAccessible: False
>>
>> MSHTML nodeName: u'A'
>>
>>
>>
>> Windows 8.1 64bit and NVDA 2017.2 is the set up.
>>
>>
>> Any suggestions how to fix it?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you in advance.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Adriani
>>
>





Re: NVDA Problems with dynamic content

Mallard
 

Gene,


I use a braille display, most of the time with voice turned off. What I see is constant change under my fingers, which doesn't give me time to click on links or buttons.

It isn't the whole page, but just areas on some pages, like carousels, and stuff like that.

I haven't found any settings in Firefox that allow me to stop that.
Any suggestions, please?

Again, Jaws did that years ago (I stopped using it in 2008!), so I suppose it can be done.
Ciao,
Ollie

Il 09/11/2017 13:27, Gene ha scritto:
If you have the setting on, as it is by default, it causes NVDA to read changes on the screen as they occur, such as if part of a screen updates with a stock market report.  This may be an incomplete explanation because if updating is done with ARIA, I don't know if the dynamic content affects reading.  The setting might also stop DOS windows from being read as well. There is no reason to turn it off.
Once you turn off scripts, web sites won't uppdate.  And if a program you use relies on dynamic content, you might make some of the program inaccessible.
I don't have the technical knowledge to know if my explanation is completely accurate or complete, but it more or less explains what the setting does and why there is no advantage to turning it off.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* zahra <mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, November 09, 2017 3:30 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA Problems with dynamic content

hello.
can you please tell me how to turn off or on dynamic content i nvda?
i did not find such setting!
i desable javascript, and any other script or active x, etc.
hope that help, God bless you all.

On 11/9/17, Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@gmail.com <mailto:adriani.botez@gmail.com>> wrote:
Dear all,

we have recently implemented a share point solution at work. This
includes
a browser based portal which is customized. As we are a very
international
Company, there is a part on the Portal which contains dynamic Content.
Specifically it contains the time zones of all places in the world
where we
are active. The time updates constantly and NVDA does not stop speaking.
Animations in IE are turned of, dynamic Content in NVDA Settings as
well.
Jaws does not have this Problem. Here is what I get from NVDA Debug:


DEBUG - treeInterceptorHandler.update (09:56:27):

Adding new treeInterceptor to runningTable:
<virtualBuffers.MSHTML.MSHTML
object at 0x0539B7D0>



DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:32):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6cb0> already
deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aad00> already
deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa940> already
deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6760> already
deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa350> already
deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aaee0> already
deleted



MSHTML node has ancestor IAccessible: False

MSHTML nodeName: u'A'



Windows 8.1 64bit and NVDA 2017.2 is the set up.


Any suggestions how to fix it?



Thank you in advance.



Best

Adriani

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Re: NVDA Problems with dynamic content

Mallard
 

Adriani,


That's exactly the issue. NVDA doesn't have a way to stop refresh of some dynamic areas, which is superannoying, because it doesn't give you time to read or act on the given area.

This has been going on forever, and apparently no solution is in view. Or is it?

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 09/11/2017 14:01, Adriani Botez ha scritto:
the Problem is, the page does not refresh itself. It's just the Region where time zones stay up to date. But NVDA speaks every update. Even if I Change the Windows or even when I am typing this E-Mail. How to stop it?

Please have a look at the debug which I have posted here.


Best
Adriani

2017-11-09 13:39 GMT+01:00 Gene <gsasner@ripco.com <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>>:

I'm not sure just What you have in mind.  Should NVDA give the
user more control of what is spoken?  Can't this already be done
by a combination of the dynamic content setting and land mark
settings in the browser? What do other screen-readers do better?
If you are talking about situations where pages refresh, JAWS, the
only other screen-reader I'm familiar with in current production
where this behavior can be regulated, allows you to turn page
refreshes off but it can't stop all page refreshes.  Firefox has a
setting that stops all refreshes and notifies the user when a page
wants to refresh, requiring manual permission.
This appears to me to be something the browser should be able to
be set to control.
We've seen discussion recently about an expanding  newer paradigm
that screen-readers should receive accessibility information from
the browser as the main means of access.  This would seem to me to
go along with the newer paradigm.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Mallard <mailto:mallard@kimabe.eu>
*Sent:* Thursday, November 09, 2017 3:59 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA Problems with dynamic content


Hello,


Disabling scripts doesn't always help, because it may cause other
issues
on certain sites.


I honestly think NVDA should do something radical about solving the
dynamic content issue, either within the screen reader itself, or
through an add-on.


If other screen readers can handle it, I'm sure NVDA can too.


Sorry, I can't code... I'd love to help otherwise.
Ciao, and thanks for all the great work the community is doing all
the time.
Ollie





Il 09/11/2017 10:30, zahra ha scritto:
> hello.
> can you please tell me how to turn off or on dynamic content i nvda?
> i did not find such setting!
> i desable javascript, and any other script or active x, etc.
> hope that help, God bless you all.
>
> On 11/9/17, Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@gmail.com
<mailto:adriani.botez@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Dear all,
>>
>> we have recently implemented a share point solution at work.
This includes
>> a browser based portal which is customized. As we are a very
international
>> Company, there is a part on the Portal which contains dynamic
Content.
>> Specifically it contains the time zones of all places in the
world where we
>> are active. The time updates constantly and NVDA does not stop
speaking.
>> Animations in IE are turned of, dynamic Content in NVDA
Settings as well.
>> Jaws does not have this Problem. Here is what I get from NVDA
Debug:
>>
>>
>> DEBUG - treeInterceptorHandler.update (09:56:27):
>>
>> Adding new treeInterceptor to runningTable:
<virtualBuffers.MSHTML.MSHTML
>> object at 0x0539B7D0>
>>
>>
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:32):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6cb0>
already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aad00>
already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa940>
already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6760>
already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa350>
already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aaee0>
already deleted
>>
>>
>>
>> MSHTML node has ancestor IAccessible: False
>>
>> MSHTML nodeName: u'A'
>>
>>
>>
>> Windows 8.1 64bit and NVDA 2017.2 is the set up.
>>
>>
>> Any suggestions how to fix it?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you in advance.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Adriani
>>
>





a question about some buttons on websites.

ken lawrence
 

Hi friends. Ken here. I have recently found a new cartoons website and I’d love to watch them.  There is a problem and I’m pretty sure it’s asn NVDA issue.  On videos instead of it playing automaticly there is a start playback button.  I hit it with enter, space bar and even move the mouse to focuse on it and  nothing happens.  I have noticed the same thing on submittion buttons on CD baby and a few other sites.  It  is as if there is something inside the button that NVDA can’t quite see.  Can anyone on list take a look at www.b99.tv, search for the flintstones and pick any or the 169 search results and find out what is inside that button that NVDA can’t seem to focuse on and activate it.  It identifies it as a button and as a playback button but can’t activate it. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: NVDA Problems with dynamic content

Gene
 

This may be a problem with announcing landmarks or a related setting.  Look for the report landmarks setting in the document presentation dialog and try unchecking it.  I don't know if that will help but you might as well try changing it.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 7:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Problems with dynamic content

the Problem is, the page does not refresh itself. It's just the Region where time zones stay up to date. But NVDA speaks every update. Even if I Change the Windows or even when I am typing this E-Mail. How to stop it?

Please have a look at the debug which I have posted here.


Best
Adriani

2017-11-09 13:39 GMT+01:00 Gene <gsasner@...>:
I'm not sure just What you have in mind.  Should NVDA give the user more control of what is spoken?  Can't this already be done by a combination of the dynamic content setting and land mark settings in the browser?  What do other screen-readers do better? 
 
If you are talking about situations where pages refresh, JAWS, the only other screen-reader I'm familiar with in current production where this behavior can be regulated, allows you to turn page refreshes off but it can't stop all page refreshes.  Firefox has a setting that stops all refreshes and notifies the user when a page wants to refresh, requiring manual permission. 
This appears to me to be something the browser should be able to be set to control. 
 
We've seen discussion recently about an expanding  newer paradigm that screen-readers should receive accessibility information from the browser as the main means of access.  This would seem to me to go along with the newer paradigm.
Gene
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Mallard
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 3:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Problems with dynamic content


Hello,


Disabling scripts doesn't always help, because it may cause other issues
on certain sites.


I honestly think NVDA should do something radical about solving the
dynamic content issue, either within the screen reader itself, or
through an add-on.


If other screen readers can handle it, I'm sure NVDA can too.


Sorry, I can't code... I'd love to help otherwise.
Ciao, and thanks for all the great work the community is doing all the time.
Ollie





Il 09/11/2017 10:30, zahra ha scritto:
> hello.
> can you please tell me how to turn off or on dynamic content i nvda?
> i did not find such setting!
> i desable javascript, and any other script or active x, etc.
> hope that help, God bless you all.
>
> On 11/9/17, Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@...> wrote:
>> Dear all,
>>
>> we have recently implemented a share point solution at work. This includes
>> a browser based portal which is customized. As we are a very international
>> Company, there is a part on the Portal which contains dynamic Content.
>> Specifically it contains the time zones of all places in the world where we
>> are active. The time updates constantly and NVDA does not stop speaking.
>> Animations in IE are turned of, dynamic Content in NVDA Settings as well.
>> Jaws does not have this Problem. Here is what I get from NVDA Debug:
>>
>>
>> DEBUG - treeInterceptorHandler.update (09:56:27):
>>
>> Adding new treeInterceptor to runningTable: <virtualBuffers.MSHTML.MSHTML
>> object at 0x0539B7D0>
>>
>>
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:32):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6cb0> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aad00> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa940> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6760> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa350> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aaee0> already deleted
>>
>>
>>
>> MSHTML node has ancestor IAccessible: False
>>
>> MSHTML nodeName: u'A'
>>
>>
>>
>> Windows 8.1 64bit and NVDA 2017.2 is the set up.
>>
>>
>> Any suggestions how to fix it?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you in advance.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Adriani
>>
>





Re: NVDA Problems with dynamic content

Adriani Botez
 

the Problem is, the page does not refresh itself. It's just the Region where time zones stay up to date. But NVDA speaks every update. Even if I Change the Windows or even when I am typing this E-Mail. How to stop it?

Please have a look at the debug which I have posted here.


Best
Adriani

2017-11-09 13:39 GMT+01:00 Gene <gsasner@...>:

I'm not sure just What you have in mind.  Should NVDA give the user more control of what is spoken?  Can't this already be done by a combination of the dynamic content setting and land mark settings in the browser?  What do other screen-readers do better? 
 
If you are talking about situations where pages refresh, JAWS, the only other screen-reader I'm familiar with in current production where this behavior can be regulated, allows you to turn page refreshes off but it can't stop all page refreshes.  Firefox has a setting that stops all refreshes and notifies the user when a page wants to refresh, requiring manual permission. 
This appears to me to be something the browser should be able to be set to control. 
 
We've seen discussion recently about an expanding  newer paradigm that screen-readers should receive accessibility information from the browser as the main means of access.  This would seem to me to go along with the newer paradigm.
Gene
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Mallard
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 3:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Problems with dynamic content


Hello,


Disabling scripts doesn't always help, because it may cause other issues
on certain sites.


I honestly think NVDA should do something radical about solving the
dynamic content issue, either within the screen reader itself, or
through an add-on.


If other screen readers can handle it, I'm sure NVDA can too.


Sorry, I can't code... I'd love to help otherwise.
Ciao, and thanks for all the great work the community is doing all the time.
Ollie





Il 09/11/2017 10:30, zahra ha scritto:
> hello.
> can you please tell me how to turn off or on dynamic content i nvda?
> i did not find such setting!
> i desable javascript, and any other script or active x, etc.
> hope that help, God bless you all.
>
> On 11/9/17, Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@...> wrote:
>> Dear all,
>>
>> we have recently implemented a share point solution at work. This includes
>> a browser based portal which is customized. As we are a very international
>> Company, there is a part on the Portal which contains dynamic Content.
>> Specifically it contains the time zones of all places in the world where we
>> are active. The time updates constantly and NVDA does not stop speaking.
>> Animations in IE are turned of, dynamic Content in NVDA Settings as well.
>> Jaws does not have this Problem. Here is what I get from NVDA Debug:
>>
>>
>> DEBUG - treeInterceptorHandler.update (09:56:27):
>>
>> Adding new treeInterceptor to runningTable: <virtualBuffers.MSHTML.MSHTML
>> object at 0x0539B7D0>
>>
>>
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:32):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6cb0> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aad00> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa940> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6760> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa350> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aaee0> already deleted
>>
>>
>>
>> MSHTML node has ancestor IAccessible: False
>>
>> MSHTML nodeName: u'A'
>>
>>
>>
>> Windows 8.1 64bit and NVDA 2017.2 is the set up.
>>
>>
>> Any suggestions how to fix it?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you in advance.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Adriani
>>
>





Re: NVDA Problems with dynamic content

Gene
 

I'm not sure just What you have in mind.  Should NVDA give the user more control of what is spoken?  Can't this already be done by a combination of the dynamic content setting and land mark settings in the browser?  What do other screen-readers do better? 
 
If you are talking about situations where pages refresh, JAWS, the only other screen-reader I'm familiar with in current production where this behavior can be regulated, allows you to turn page refreshes off but it can't stop all page refreshes.  Firefox has a setting that stops all refreshes and notifies the user when a page wants to refresh, requiring manual permission. 
This appears to me to be something the browser should be able to be set to control. 
 
We've seen discussion recently about an expanding  newer paradigm that screen-readers should receive accessibility information from the browser as the main means of access.  This would seem to me to go along with the newer paradigm.
Gene
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Mallard
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 3:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Problems with dynamic content


Hello,


Disabling scripts doesn't always help, because it may cause other issues
on certain sites.


I honestly think NVDA should do something radical about solving the
dynamic content issue, either within the screen reader itself, or
through an add-on.


If other screen readers can handle it, I'm sure NVDA can too.


Sorry, I can't code... I'd love to help otherwise.
Ciao, and thanks for all the great work the community is doing all the time.
Ollie




Il 09/11/2017 10:30, zahra ha scritto:
> hello.
> can you please tell me how to turn off or on dynamic content i nvda?
> i did not find such setting!
> i desable javascript, and any other script or active x, etc.
> hope that help, God bless you all.
>
> On 11/9/17, Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@...> wrote:
>> Dear all,
>>
>> we have recently implemented a share point solution at work. This includes
>> a browser based portal which is customized. As we are a very international
>> Company, there is a part on the Portal which contains dynamic Content.
>> Specifically it contains the time zones of all places in the world where we
>> are active. The time updates constantly and NVDA does not stop speaking.
>> Animations in IE are turned of, dynamic Content in NVDA Settings as well.
>> Jaws does not have this Problem. Here is what I get from NVDA Debug:
>>
>>
>> DEBUG - treeInterceptorHandler.update (09:56:27):
>>
>> Adding new treeInterceptor to runningTable: <virtualBuffers.MSHTML.MSHTML
>> object at 0x0539B7D0>
>>
>>
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:32):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6cb0> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aad00> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa940> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6760> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa350> already deleted
>>
>> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>>
>> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aaee0> already deleted
>>
>>
>>
>> MSHTML node has ancestor IAccessible: False
>>
>> MSHTML nodeName: u'A'
>>
>>
>>
>> Windows 8.1 64bit and NVDA 2017.2 is the set up.
>>
>>
>> Any suggestions how to fix it?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you in advance.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Adriani
>>
>




Re: NVDA Problems with dynamic content

Mallard
 

Thanks, I tried that now, but I have a feeling I'd disabled the check box in teh past, with no avail.

I hope this helps...

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 09/11/2017 11:40, Adriani Botez ha scritto:
Go to nvda prefferences and then to object presentation.


Best
Adriani


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 09.11.2017 um 10:30 schrieb zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>:

hello.
can you please tell me how to turn off or on dynamic content i nvda?
i did not find such setting!
i desable javascript, and any other script or active x, etc.
hope that help, God bless you all.

On 11/9/17, Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear all,

we have recently implemented a share point solution at work. This includes
a browser based portal which is customized. As we are a very international
Company, there is a part on the Portal which contains dynamic Content.
Specifically it contains the time zones of all places in the world where we
are active. The time updates constantly and NVDA does not stop speaking.
Animations in IE are turned of, dynamic Content in NVDA Settings as well.
Jaws does not have this Problem. Here is what I get from NVDA Debug:


DEBUG - treeInterceptorHandler.update (09:56:27):

Adding new treeInterceptor to runningTable: <virtualBuffers.MSHTML.MSHTML
object at 0x0539B7D0>



DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:32):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6cb0> already deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aad00> already deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa940> already deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6760> already deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa350> already deleted

DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):

COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aaee0> already deleted



MSHTML node has ancestor IAccessible: False

MSHTML nodeName: u'A'



Windows 8.1 64bit and NVDA 2017.2 is the set up.


Any suggestions how to fix it?



Thank you in advance.



Best

Adriani
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org



Re: NVDA Problems with dynamic content

Gene
 

If you have the setting on, as it is by default, it causes NVDA to read changes on the screen as they occur, such as if part of a screen updates with a stock market report.  This may be an incomplete explanation because if updating is done with ARIA, I don't know if the dynamic content affects reading.  The setting might also stop DOS windows from being read as well.  There is no reason to turn it off. 
 
Once you turn off scripts, web sites won't uppdate.  And if a program you use relies on dynamic content, you might make some of the program inaccessible.
 
I don't have the technical knowledge to know if my explanation is completely accurate or complete, but it more or less explains what the setting does and why there is no advantage to turning it off.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 3:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Problems with dynamic content

hello.
can you please tell me how to turn off or on dynamic content i nvda?
i did not find such setting!
i desable javascript, and any other script or active x, etc.
hope that help, God bless you all.

On 11/9/17, Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@...> wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> we have recently implemented a share point solution at work. This includes
> a browser based portal which is customized. As we are a very international
> Company, there is a part on the Portal which contains dynamic Content.
> Specifically it contains the time zones of all places in the world where we
> are active. The time updates constantly and NVDA does not stop speaking.
> Animations in IE are turned of, dynamic Content in NVDA Settings as well.
> Jaws does not have this Problem. Here is what I get from NVDA Debug:
>
>
> DEBUG - treeInterceptorHandler.update (09:56:27):
>
> Adding new treeInterceptor to runningTable: <virtualBuffers.MSHTML.MSHTML
> object at 0x0539B7D0>
>
>
>
> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:32):
>
> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6cb0> already deleted
>
> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>
> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aad00> already deleted
>
> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>
> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa940> already deleted
>
> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>
> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53e6760> already deleted
>
> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>
> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aa350> already deleted
>
> DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (09:56:33):
>
> COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x2d3524 at 53aaee0> already deleted
>
>
>
> MSHTML node has ancestor IAccessible: False
>
> MSHTML nodeName: u'A'
>
>
>
> Windows 8.1 64bit and NVDA 2017.2 is the set up.
>
>
> Any suggestions how to fix it?
>
>
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
>
>
> Best
>
> Adriani
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is:
indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
www.al-islam.org



Re: NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

Pascal Lambert
 

That is the sure way to go.  I just helped, here in Knoxville Tennessee  the American Job Center install NVDA on their resource center computer for use by blind and visually impaired patrons.  Every public place ought to do the same.

Blessings

Pascal 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 3:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in the workforce and in public institutions

 

Hi Sky

 

It is Gene from New Zealand. I noted that you said about NVDA and the teckie guy and what he said.

 

About 10 years ago a basic version of NVDA went into our library system here. it was rolled out to the rest of the country later on that year. Every year they have updated NVDA to the latest version of NVDA

 

You could not do this with a commercial version of a screen reader. I also told them about windows eyes free offer and they were not even interested. the lady or guy that pit onto the network when we got a award she had a cus who was visually impaired.

 

It covers from the top of New Zealand to pretty much the bottom of New Zealand at about 150 locations and NVDA is on about 750 computers throughout the network. If they are worried they can always lock it down and also stop portable access as well.

In my town here we have computers and i can go up to any one and there is a copy of NVDA on it.

 

The following link will show there is NVDA on there computers at http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/accessibility

 

The next link shows the locations where NVDA can be accessed throughout New Zealand at http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/statistics

It looks as though the news article goes to another page now so will either find it or remove it the same with magnification.

 

I can also put the person in contact with them and who to talk to as well.

 

My website seems to be going up and down and am wondering weather to stay with them or get another or even a new domain name.

 

Actually i just googled the article so will link it up there. The article can be found at http://www2.nzherald.co.nz/stratford-press/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503390&objectid=10973253

It is the article that went into the local news paper way back then.

I would if you do show him show the links straight to those pages as I know on my page where it is it will not help if the site is going up and down.

if he is worried about security

as i said he can always lock it down but make sure he does not remove the shortcut to start it.

NVDA is also in 2 information centres here in Taranaki and also at a training provider here in town.

When you do look at the nvda user statistics for new zealand you will notice the update feature is turned off so will not show unless people have it on.

 

I will tidy up the page tomorrow that has the info on it so it is up to date.

 

Hope it helps.

 

gene nz

 

Gene nz

On 11/9/2017 6:39 PM, Sky Mundell wrote:

Hello All. Today, I was at our monthly technology meeting at a public library here in Victoria, British Columbia, and NVDA was one of the screen reading options discussed to a new participant who had low vision. However, the tech at the library looked at it, and he told the group that it was less secure, and they commented that it was better for home use, rather than in corporate environments. Would NV Access staffers like to comment on this issue, and what can be done to address this issue? Because they were going to settle on the Window-Eyes for office option back when it was being updated, but as we all know it got discontinued and they did look at Window-Eyes as an option and they were more in favour of it due to it not being Open Source. They also did have JAWS for a time but got rid of it due to lack of training and they would have had to spend money to get somebody from FS to train them on it.  Any suggestions you guys could give me would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Sky.
 
 
 
 

 

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.